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That the Jew/Hebrews, the Muslim, the Christian, those who follow (Yah)weh are all following the God of Abraham?

The majority of the entire world called earth and its inhabitants are claiming to follow the God of Abraham (YAH-Allah-Yahweh).

Do you ever wonder if God takes that into account that we are all worshipping the "SAME GOD?"

I know since the Jews rejected Christ Yahshua, we believe they are not following the entire TRUTH!!

I know since the Muslims do not accept the deity of Yahshua, but rather claim Him as prophet, is not boding well under Yahsua's terms!!

But ultimately, with even how diverse scripture is between Holy Bible's, Koran's, what is perceived as original manuscripts before Roman pagan interference, WE are ALL still worshipping the God of Abraham!!

I like to think that should make us look (at) ANYONE who follows the God of Abraham as brothers and sisters.

I bet then we could help the Jews and Muslims to understand that YAHSHUA is the "GOD," who is the God of Abraham!!

(YAH)
(YAH)weh
(YAH)shua

Notice how God always uses a form of His Name in all of His Names?



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We need to make a distinction between worshipping God and following God. Yes, Christians, Muslims, and Jews all worship the same monotheistic God. But who is actually loving God, following God, obeying God? Who is on the path to Heaven and who not?

Only those who love and believe in God's only begotten Son Jesus are actually following God, and believing in Jesus includes believing everything He taught, including believing in the Church Jesus founded and in the pope He appointed.

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Muslims are not following YHVH. They follow the moon god allah; who is Ba'al; who was Nimrod; who was violent and disobedient to YHVH.

If christians were following YHVH God then they wouldn't have changed His Holy Days into pagan based days to worship Him on, nor would they have disregarded His commands.



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ludlowlowell
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"The law and the prophets ended with John."

--Jesus (Luke 16:16)

"Do men put new wine into old bottles?"

--Jesus (Matthew 9:17)



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Quote from ludlowlowell:
"The law and the prophets ended with John."

--Jesus (Luke 16:16)

"Do men put new wine into old bottles?"

--Jesus (Matthew 9:17)


NO they did not. If you bothered reading the whole chapter it is speaking of EARNING salvation ended with John....and forgiveness through grace began.

You are so ignorant of God's word.



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Quote from iam_resurrected:
That the Jew/Hebrews, the Muslim, the Christian, those who follow (Yah)weh are all following the God of Abraham?

The majority of the entire world called earth and its inhabitants are claiming to follow the God of Abraham (YAH-Allah-Yahweh).

Do you ever wonder if God takes that into account that we are all worshipping the "SAME GOD?"

I know since the Jews rejected Christ Yahshua, we believe they are not following the entire TRUTH!!

I know since the Muslims do not accept the deity of Yahshua, but rather claim Him as prophet, is not boding well under Yahsua's terms!!

But ultimately, with even how diverse scripture is between Holy Bible's, Koran's, what is perceived as original manuscripts before Roman pagan interference, WE are ALL still worshipping the God of Abraham!!

I like to think that should make us look (at) ANYONE who follows the God of Abraham as brothers and sisters.

I bet then we could help the Jews and Muslims to understand that YAHSHUA is the "GOD," who is the God of Abraham!!

(YAH)
(YAH)weh
(YAH)shua

Notice how God always uses a form of His Name in all of His Names?


Judaism and Islam, are Prophetic Religions, waiting for the good news , yet to come.

Christianity how ever, the Gospel did come, and the Messiah, and it happened at the Cross.

Lots who claim to be Christian though, do try and make it into an Islamic style religion.



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iam_resurrected, you are very close to the truth, I'd say.

I'd carry it even a bit farther perhaps, leave "Abraham" out of it, and say that yes, we are all worshiping the same God, and yes, we are all brothers and sisters in God's family. Everyone on earth who loves God is our brother and sister in God's family.

Good post.

Quote from iam_resurrected:
That the Jew/Hebrews, the Muslim, the Christian, those who follow (Yah)weh are all following the God of Abraham?

The majority of the entire world called earth and its inhabitants are claiming to follow the God of Abraham (YAH-Allah-Yahweh).

Do you ever wonder if God takes that into account that we are all worshipping the "SAME GOD?"

I know since the Jews rejected Christ Yahshua, we believe they are not following the entire TRUTH!!

I know since the Muslims do not accept the deity of Yahshua, but rather claim Him as prophet, is not boding well under Yahsua's terms!!

But ultimately, with even how diverse scripture is between Holy Bible's, Koran's, what is perceived as original manuscripts before Roman pagan interference, WE are ALL still worshipping the God of Abraham!!

I like to think that should make us look (at) ANYONE who follows the God of Abraham as brothers and sisters.

I bet then we could help the Jews and Muslims to understand that YAHSHUA is the "GOD," who is the God of Abraham!!

(YAH)
(YAH)weh
(YAH)shua

Notice how God always uses a form of His Name in all of His Names?


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Ludlow says:
"We need to make a distinction between worshipping God and following God. Yes, Christians, Muslims, and Jews all worship the same monotheistic God. But who is actually loving God, following God, obeying God? Who is on the path to Heaven and who not?

Only those who love and believe in God's only begotten Son Jesus are actually following God, and believing in Jesus includes believing everything He taught, including believing in the Church Jesus founded and in the pope He appointed."

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You are a very sick, Catholic man, Lud. You ask, "who is actually loving God, following God, obeying God?" when YOU YOURSELF REFUSE TO OBEY GOD AND YOU CONTRADICT GOD CONSTANTLY.

You're a very sick Catholic man, Lud.

"But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father." Mat 6:6

Ludlow/Satan: I would recommend that people pray sometimes to Mary or one of the saints... Let the prayer life have some variety.

"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)

You give Jesus the finger on that one.

"...if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: (Matthew 6:14)

But Ludlow/Satan contradicts Jesus and says: "God forgives repentant sinners only. God does not forgive everyone who forgives others."

"Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)

Lud, why do you call Him "God's only begotten Son Jesus" and do not the things that He says?

Tell Him.

Say, "Jesus, the reason I refuse to do what you say is because..."

And then tell us all how you know about the Devil's "usual plan to attack humans." Tell us how the Devil influences you to descend into Scrupulosity. Do you hear the Devil's voice?

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Nobody ever earned salvation, Old Testament or New. Without God's grace we are nothing.

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To not know God's (TRUE) Name(s) is not to even know God. ......

As God told Moses when he encountered God (Burning Bush) asking what God's Name is .... “If I come to the people of Israel and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they ask me, ‘What is His Name?’ what shall I say to them?” (Exodus 3:13). God answered Moses, “I Am Who I Am” (Exodus 3:14). God told Moses, “Say this to the people of Israel, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent Me to you.’ This is My Name forever, and thus I Am to be remembered throughout all generations” (Exodus 3:15).

God takes His name very seriously! The Ten Commandments include the command that we must not take the name of the Lord in vain. We are to use the name(s) God has given for Himself. We are to recognize that God takes His name seriously because He desires to be rightly known by His human creatures.
As these verses make clear, we are not to tamper with God’s name(s). We are to use the names whereby God has named Himself, and we are to recognize that any confusion about the name of God will lead to confusion about the nature of God, if not to idolatry.

In the Bible, God reveals Himself to us in many names. These names are His personal property. We did not invent these names for God. To the contrary, God revealed these names as His own. In the Bible, Allah is NOT used or revealed to us as a name God has revealed to us! Jesus Christ made this abundantly clear. In the simplest way imaginable, Jesus teaches us to know God as Father, and to use this name in prayer. The Lord’s Prayer begins with the words, “Our Father, who is in heaven.” By the grace that God has shown us in Christ, we can truly know Him as Father.

Allah is the Muslim name for THEIR God, which is NOT the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Muslims do not speak of God as their heavenly Father in the Islamic faith, Allah is not only a different name for their god; the deity it designates more impersonal than the God of the Bible. Father .... the very name that Jesus gave us as the designated name for use in prayer .... is a name that does not describe Allah as referred to in the Quran. Muslims claim that Allah has no son. Islam denies the Trinity, teaching that the doctrine of the Trinity is blasphemous. (Trinity ... As revealed in the Bible .... Father is God, Son is God, Holy Spirit is God.) The Bible makes clear, the one and only true God is most perfectly revealed as the Father of the Son, Jesus Christ. Islam believes Jesus Christ was nothing more than a prophet and DID NOT die on the Cross. The Bible reveals the CORE basis of Christian faith (belief), Jesus died on the cross, shedding His blood for the forgiveness of sin. The Bible, (Gospel of John), Jesus repeatedly teaches that no one has truly known the Father, except by the Son. In one of the most clarifying verses in the New Testament, Jesus declared Himself to be “the way, and the truth, and the life,” adding, “No one comes to the Father except through me” (John14:6). Jesus does NOT make that claim in the Quran. The Quran is NOT God's/Jesus Christ's inspired Word!

Confusing the God of the Bible with Allah of the Quran is not only a mistake, it is a dangerous distortion of the Gospel of Christ. Therefore, NO, "Jew/Hebrews, the Muslim, the Christian" do NOT worship the same God!



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ladybug says:
"Confusing the God of the Bible with Allah of the Quran is not only a mistake, it is a dangerous distortion of the Gospel of Christ. Therefore, NO, "Jew/Hebrews, the Muslim, the Christian" do NOT worship the same God!"


There is only one God, so if Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists love Him, they are loving the same God that you say you love. And He loves them back just as He loves you.

Have you not read: "...God is no respecter of persons." Acts 10:34

One God, many understandings of Him.

We are all children of God, brothers and sisters in God's family, and we should act like it.

Chauvinism:
: the belief that your country, race, sex, religion, etc., is better than any other

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Quote from followjesusonly:
ladybug says:
"Confusing the God of the Bible with Allah of the Quran is not only a mistake, it is a dangerous distortion of the Gospel of Christ. Therefore, NO, "Jew/Hebrews, the Muslim, the Christian" do NOT worship the same God!"


There is only one God, so if Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists love Him, they are loving the same God that you say you love. And He loves them back just as He loves you.

Have you not read: "...God is no respecter of persons." Acts 10:34

One God, many understandings of Him.

We are all children of God, brothers and sisters in God's family, and we should act like it.

Chauvinism:
: the belief that your country, race, sex, religion, etc., is better than any other



follow, sadly, you've been greatly deceived and blinded by your book/papers (The Urantia Book/Papers)to the point you know not the Truth. As you've stated above, "There is only one God, so if Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists love Him, they are loving the same God that you say you love. And He loves them back just as He loves you." You are correct in saying there is ONLY ONE God. Our God, the Father in Heaven. However, your claim all these different religious beliefs (other than Jews, Christians) do NOT ... I repeat DO NOT know or worship our Lord God/Jesus Christ! Many of them don't even worship a deity! They DON'T even know who God the Father, much less who Jesus Christ is!! You really do need to enlighten yourself to the truth of false religions before making such untrue statements. In your best interest, while living, you need to stop walking in the "flesh", burn the Urantia book/papers (doctrine of demons), read the True Word of God (Bible) seek Him as your Lord and Savior and start living in the Spirit, for time to do so is very short. For your life, salvation and your eternity. Lord God tells us, teaches us discernment of Truth how to recognize good and bad fruit. This is NOT judgement, it's guidance and wisdom taught by the Lord God for the safety of His Church. The Urantia papers/book does NOT bear "good fruit" teachings. Now, I will not argue this with you for the Lord God also teaches not to become embroiled in arguments. Therefore, I will kick the dust from my feet/shoes and move on. May God open your eyes and heart to the Truth.

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Some one is very wrong

Entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven is a depth of personality growth where the person seeks to know/contemplate a God concept...no matter how primitive distorted or Juvenal.


From that point on 'you will grow Grasshoper'....but we cannot produce growth...we can only put forth favorable conditions to let God grow us.


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Quote from _ladybug_:
follow, sadly, you've been greatly deceived and blinded by your book/papers (The Urantia Book/Papers)to the point you know not the Truth. As you've stated above, "There is only one God, so if Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists love Him, they are loving the same God that you say you love. And He loves them back just as He loves you." You are correct in saying there is ONLY ONE God. Our God, the Father in Heaven. However, your claim all these different religious beliefs (other than Jews, Christians) do NOT ... I repeat DO NOT know or worship our Lord God/Jesus Christ! Many of them don't even worship a deity! They DON'T even know who God the Father, much less who Jesus Christ is!! You really do need to enlighten yourself to the truth of false religions before making such untrue statements. In your best interest, while living, you need to stop walking in the "flesh", burn the Urantia book/papers (doctrine of demons), read the True Word of God (Bible) seek Him as your Lord and Savior and start living in the Spirit, for time to do so is very short. For your life, salvation and your eternity. Lord God tells us, teaches us discernment of Truth how to recognize good and bad fruit. This is NOT judgement, it's guidance and wisdom taught by the Lord God for the safety of His Church. The Urantia papers/book does NOT bear "good fruit" teachings. Now, I will not argue this with you for the Lord God also teaches not to become embroiled in arguments. Therefore, I will kick the dust from my feet/shoes and move on. May God open your eyes and heart to the Truth.


Ladybug, this is all anyone needs to do to be saved. In fact, it's what everyone MUST do to be saved, whether or not they are Christian, Muslim, Jew, or other. Please read carefully what Jesus says:

"Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." (Matthew 12:50)

You, me, everyone, anyone, who wants to be saved MUST DO THE FATHER'S WILL. Calling your self a Christian and hating Muslims and Jews and Buddhists and Hindus won't be enough to save your butt.

The rest of your teaching is the doctrines of men.

And, unless you've read The Urantia Book, you are bearing false witness. But they did the same thing to Jesus. Human nature hasn't changed in 2000 years. Attack what you don't understand. Attack what you don't already believe.

And I wasn't talking about "all these different religious beliefs." I was talking about individuals. IF THEY LOVE GOD AND LOVE THEIR FELLOW MAN, THEY WILL BE SAVED. Jesus says so.

And no, ladybug, the bible is not "the True Word of God" as you have said. That's just what they told you. Neither they, nor you, can prove the bible is "the True Word of God." It's a belief and that's all it is. No, ladybug, it's not a fact.

Do you seriously believe this bible marital infidelity test below is anything God would condone or dream up? Good grief.

Num 5:11  And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
Num 5:12  Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, If any man's wife go aside, and commit a trespass against him,
Num 5:13  And a man lie with her carnally, and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against her, neither she be taken with the manner;
Num 5:14  And the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:
Num 5:15  Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.
Num 5:16  And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the LORD:
Num 5:17  And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:
Num 5:18  And the priest shall set the woman before the LORD, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse:
Num 5:19  And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:
Num 5:20  But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:
Num 5:21  Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;
Num 5:22  And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.
Num 5:23  And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:
Num 5:24  And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter.
Num 5:25  Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the LORD, and offer it upon the altar:
Num 5:26  And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.
Num 5:27  And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
Num 5:28  And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
Num 5:29  This is the law of jealousies, when a wife goeth aside to another instead of her husband, and is defiled;
Num 5:30  Or when the spirit of jealousy cometh upon him, and he be jealous over his wife, and shall set the woman before the LORD, and the priest shall execute upon her all this law.
Num 5:31  Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity.

As kb might say, "You're not really that stupid, are you?"

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Quote from 4evr6y:
Some one is very wrong

Entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven is a depth of personality growth where the person seeks to know/contemplate a God concept...no matter how primitive distorted or Juvenal.


From that point on 'you will grow Grasshoper'....but we cannot produce growth...we can only put forth favorable conditions to let God grow us.


Juvenile

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Quote from followjesusonly:
Juvenile


I meant the spelling, instead of Juvenal.

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Interesting point of views from everyone. I just always looked at other faiths pertaining to the God of Abraham as interesting, that we are all looking at Abraham's God and classifying Him many ways. But in reality, we are serving the same deity even though 2 ideas won't accept Yahshua!!

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Before there was Elohim there was Alueim.

Before there was Jehovah, there was Yahweh.

Before there was Yahweh there was Ieue.


Alueim means "to subjectors."


Ieue is translated Will-be-ing-was.


CLV Ex 3:15 And Elohim said further to Moses: Thus shall you say to the sons of Israel, Yahweh, the Elohim of your fathers, the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac and the Elohim of Jacob, has sent me to you. This is My name for the eon, and this the remembrance of Me for generation after generation.

There is no "forever" in this verse. The word used is 'olam.' 'Olam' is an age. Or as the Hebrew often says, for an age and beyond.

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Can anyone really believe that God is going to punish anyone who truly loves Him but who, for whatever reasons at this time and place, cannot love or know Jesus, to eternal torment in "Hell"?

"God, I loved you with all my heart and my neighbor as I loved myself, and yet you sent me to Hell to be tortured for all eternity?"

"Yes, because you didn't love Jesus and you were not a member of the Catholic church. Ludlow told you time and time again that "outside of the Catholic church there is no salvation" but you refused to join and pay obeisance to the Pope, and so that's why, even though you loved me with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself, I have condemned you to Hell for all eternity."

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ludlow is a very sick man.

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Very, very sick. Indeed

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Nobody ever earned salvation, Old Testament or New. Without God's grace we are nothing.


You really should actually read the Tanakh.OT. Then you wouldn't say such ridiculous things.



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The Tanakh, like the rest of the Bible,can be interpreted in different ways. That's why we need the Catholic Church and her authoritative teachings.

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ludlow has never even seen a Tanakh.

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Ludlow says:
"The Tanakh, like the rest of the Bible,can be interpreted in different ways. That's why we need the Catholic Church and her authoritative teachings."

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You're a very sick, Catholic man, Lud.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
The Tanakh, like the rest of the Bible,can be interpreted in different ways. That's why we need the Catholic Church and her authoritative teachings.


NO it cannot...

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Yes it can, Share. You know good and well it can. Look at all the different interpretations various Christian and Jewish groups put on the Tanakh and on other parts of the Bible.

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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Yes it can, Share. You know good and well it can. Look at all the different interpretations various Christian and Jewish groups put on the Tanakh and on other parts of the Bible.


There is ONLY one interpretation. Denominations twist God's word to imply something other than what it does.



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You know? that is sooooo true. When we look at how each denomination was formed we can see each came from conflict and division.


Quote from share_n_love:
There is ONLY one interpretation. Denominations twist God's word to imply something other than what it does.



5/16/2017 2:07:58 PM Do You find it all Interesting...  

bigd9832
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Yes, it is true. The problem is, every denomination thinks they are right and everyone else is wrong. The Catholics are the worse.

5/16/2017 2:16:56 PM Do You find it all Interesting...  
riquezas
Knoxville, TN
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and ultimately God is in control of all things. He can and does use the twisted distortions of His Word to reveal Himself to His Beloved.

Wouldn't it be beautiful if all wanted to grow closer to our Creator? If everyone wanted to know Him intimately, instead of simply knowing what their fathers, pastor, teacher have to say about Him.

5/16/2017 3:27:52 PM Do You find it all Interesting...  

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Quote from riquezas:
and ultimately God is in control of all things. He can and does use the twisted distortions of His Word to reveal Himself to His Beloved.

Wouldn't it be beautiful if all wanted to grow closer to our Creator? If everyone wanted to know Him intimately, instead of simply knowing what their fathers, pastor, teacher have to say about Him.


I must say I found both of your recent posts above to be very well said.

5/16/2017 4:17:48 PM Do You find it all Interesting...  
riquezas
Knoxville, TN
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oh thanks so much

What I wanted to say was this... Maybe His Word would not be so twisted and distorted by His children if we all grew to know and love Him more intimately.

(one of my favs)

2 Peter 1:2 1Shimeon Petraus, a Servant and an Apostle of Yeshua The Messiah to those who, equal in honor* with us, were worthy* for the faith by the righteousness of Our Lord* and Our Savior Yeshua The Messiah. 2Grace and peace be multiplied to you by the teaching of Our Lord Yeshua The Messiah,

wow there is a lot there, huh? That verse will surely preach! I really don't know , but I love to believe...if a teaching or translation or interpretation of His teaching does not multiply grace and peace, it may be off base.



Quote from followjesusonly:
I must say I found both of your recent posts above to be very well said.


5/16/2017 4:31:50 PM Do You find it all Interesting...  
riquezas
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Yes! I do find it interesting. I know Muslims whose heart is to know God. I know Baptists and Catholics who are the same.

You know? I will say this...the Muslims were more humble and sincere about knowing the truth about God than the others I mentioned. In fact, I have met many Muslims online and they all grant grace towards me...knowing my beliefs are different. They seek to find common ground and build from that place.

The Baptists and Catholics I have come to know seem to think they already have it figured out.

Maybe I am wrong but it seems that sometimes we can reach a place where we stop seeking. That is the day we stop growing in His love and grace and peace....imo.

...and I do look at 'all' as brothers and sisters for many reasons including some you state here...


Quote from iam_resurrected:
That the Jew/Hebrews, the Muslim, the Christian, those who follow (Yah)weh are all following the God of Abraham?

The majority of the entire world called earth and its inhabitants are claiming to follow the God of Abraham (YAH-Allah-Yahweh).

Do you ever wonder if God takes that into account that we are all worshipping the "SAME GOD?"

I know since the Jews rejected Christ Yahshua, we believe they are not following the entire TRUTH!!

I know since the Muslims do not accept the deity of Yahshua, but rather claim Him as prophet, is not boding well under Yahsua's terms!!

But ultimately, with even how diverse scripture is between Holy Bible's, Koran's, what is perceived as original manuscripts before Roman pagan interference, WE are ALL still worshipping the God of Abraham!!

I like to think that should make us look (at) ANYONE who follows the God of Abraham as brothers and sisters.

I bet then we could help the Jews and Muslims to understand that YAHSHUA is the "GOD," who is the God of Abraham!!

(YAH)
(YAH)weh
(YAH)shua

Notice how God always uses a form of His Name in all of His Names?


5/17/2017 9:56:29 AM Do You find it all Interesting...  

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Muslims, in past centuries and in the present day, raid non-Muslim villages and make slaves out of the people. Is that your idea of humility and sincerity?

Catholics don't have it "figured out". Catholics believe in the truths revealed by Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. We didn't use our computers and calculators, we listened to Christ and the Holy Spirit.

5/17/2017 3:08:35 PM Do You find it all Interesting...  

followjesusonly
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Quote from riquezas:
Yes! I do find it interesting. I know Muslims whose heart is to know God. I know Baptists and Catholics who are the same.

You know? I will say this...the Muslims were more humble and sincere about knowing the truth about God than the others I mentioned. In fact, I have met many Muslims online and they all grant grace towards me...knowing my beliefs are different. They seek to find common ground and build from that place.

The Baptists and Catholics I have come to know seem to think they already have it figured out.

Maybe I am wrong but it seems that sometimes we can reach a place where we stop seeking. That is the day we stop growing in His love and grace and peace....imo.

...and I do look at 'all' as brothers and sisters for many reasons including some you state here...


Have you read The Urantia Book?

                                

"...when man understands religion as the teaching of the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of man, sonship with God.”

5/17/2017 4:32:28 PM Do You find it all Interesting...  

iam_resurrected
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Muslims, in past centuries and in the present day, raid non-Muslim villages and make slaves out of the people. Is that your idea of humility and sincerity?

Catholics don't have it "figured out". Catholics believe in the truths revealed by Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. We didn't use our computers and calculators, we listened to Christ and the Holy Spirit.





Seriously?

All you've done is say yes to the puppet master without ever questioning him for proof.

5/17/2017 4:37:38 PM Do You find it all Interesting...  
cupocheer
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Doesn't surprise me.

Everyone is related.

5/17/2017 7:14:49 PM Do You find it all Interesting...  

followjesusonly
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Ludlow says:
"Quote from ludlowlowell:
Muslims, in past centuries and in the present day, raid non-Muslim villages and make slaves out of the people. Is that your idea of humility and sincerity?


And your pope says this about what you just did above:

"We Catholics have some — and not some, many — who believe they possess the absolute truth and go ahead dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil. They do evil. I say this because it is my Church." [The pope] further added that "fundamentalism is more idolatry than actual religion, warning that 'ideas and false certainties' can take the place of faith, love, and God." -Pope Francis

(Ludlow) Catholics believe in the truths revealed by Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. We didn't use our computers and calculators, we listened to Christ and the Holy Spirit.


You lie. You didn't "listen to Christ" or the Holy Spirit, or show that you "believe in the truths revealed by Jesus and the Holy Spirit" when Jesus said,

"But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father." Mat 6:6

And you pray to Mary and other dead people...

And when He said,

"Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9)

and you basically give Jesus the finger and call all your priests, "Father" anyway...

and when Jesus said,

"...if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: (Matthew 6:14)...

And you contradict Jesus and say, "God forgives repentant sinners only. God does not forgive everyone who forgives others."

You are a very sick Cathlick man, Lud.

5/22/2017 11:07:06 AM Do You find it all Interesting...  
freegratis
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Quote from iam_resurrected:
That the Jew/Hebrews, the Muslim, the Christian, those who follow (Yah)weh are all following the God of Abraham?

The majority of the entire world called earth and its inhabitants are claiming to follow the God of Abraham (YAH-Allah-Yahweh).

Do you ever wonder if God takes that into account that we are all worshipping the "SAME GOD?"

I know since the Jews rejected Christ Yahshua, we believe they are not following the entire TRUTH!!

I know since the Muslims do not accept the deity of Yahshua, but rather claim Him as prophet, is not boding well under Yahsua's terms!!

But ultimately, with even how diverse scripture is between Holy Bible's, Koran's, what is perceived as original manuscripts before Roman pagan interference, WE are ALL still worshipping the God of Abraham!!

I like to think that should make us look (at) ANYONE who follows the God of Abraham as brothers and sisters.

I bet then we could help the Jews and Muslims to understand that YAHSHUA is the "GOD," who is the God of Abraham!!

(YAH)
(YAH)weh
(YAH)shua

Notice how God always uses a form of His Name in all of His Names?


It is always specified to follow the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
However, God also blessed Ishmael - Genesis 17.
But I kind of get your point as a start to global evangelism.

On a side note, Mad Magazine decades ago had a photo of the place of worship for the major religions. The people were looking at each other and thinking, "I wonder what they do in that building", and excluding the other groups. Then the people were all in their respective buildings and they all had the same cartoon bubble..."Praise God" or some similar prayer.

5/22/2017 11:45:44 AM Do You find it all Interesting...  

ludlowlowell
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Q. But what do all those non-Catholic religions lack that the Catholic religion has?

A. Confession and Communion, two things that are absolutely essential in God's plan of salvation.

5/25/2017 3:20:27 PM Do You find it all Interesting...  

followjesusonly
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Ludlow contradicts God again:

Ludlow says:
Q. But what do all those non-Catholic religions lack that the Catholic religion has?

A. Confession and Communion, two things that are absolutely essential in God's plan of salvation.

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Ludlow savors of the evil one.

Jesus never says any such thing about confession and communion or praying to Mary and other dead people, and so on. Ludlow is pushing the doctrines of men. Ludlow's sect is all about the doctrines of men.

...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? (Luke 10:25)

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself." (Luke 10:27)

Nothing there about Catholic sect rituals and beliefs.

"Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

"For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother." (Matthew 12:50)

Nothing there either about Catholic sect rituals and beliefs.

The Catholic church = the doctrines of men.

5/25/2017 5:16:14 PM Do You find it all Interesting...  

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*
...Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? (Luke 10:25)

"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself, and don't forget that Confession and Communion, and devotion to Mary and prayers to her and dead people are two or three additional things that are absolutely essential in God's plan of salvation." (paraphrasing Luke 10:27 into Catholicese as per Ludlow)

And Yes, "I speak for God." -Ludlow

5/25/2017 7:28:27 PM Do You find it all Interesting...  
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