Muslims in America

4/23/2016 6:31:44 PM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Asanb. You can drop the bitter attitude, I think I am answering these just fine, and willing to elaborate. We have some really good ones in Islam 102, but you are not ready for that yet. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
4/23/2016 7:38:17 PM	Muslims in America
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 40, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from asanb: Prove itwith something other than your opinion. Actually is the opinion of every Muslim.
4/23/2016 7:40:03 PM	Muslims in America
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 40, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from Yasureoktoo: Asanb. You can drop the bitter attitude, I think I am answering these just fine, and willing to elaborate. We have some really good ones in Islam 102, but you are not ready for that yet. No mean to tell you what to do so please dont get me wrong. But you are wasting your time discussing over and over in circle with that guy. Ditto.
4/24/2016 8:58:56 AM	Muslims in America
asanb Sanbornton, NH 60, joined Jul. 2012	" The problem that confronts us is to find a way whereby it may be possible to reach that Divine Ground-the bedrock of Divinity. The essential roots of all religions are now lost to view and utterly forgotten under the camouflage of ancient verbiage, the encrusted dust of ages and the dogmatic creeds of the priestcraft. All that we need now is to present Truth, once again, to the scientific modern world, in a scientific setting. Religion, instead of being a source of solace to souls, has now become an instrument of separation, hatred, ill will and tyranny. In the blessed name of religion, fire and sword are oppressing humanity, innocent blood is being spilt and the fair face of earth is being defiled with destruction and ruin, simply because over-emphasis is laid on non-essentials and external shells. The result is that people all the world over have come to have a kind of horror for the so-called religion which has failed to serve the common needs of humanity. Religion should bring union between man and man, nation and nation, knitting the world in common bonds of all-embracing love, fellowship and brotherhood........ ....... The personal experience with God which a soul has, is in reality a true religion. Unless the spiritual experiences as recorded in sacred lore are actually had by us, through the Grace of a living Master, we continue to be atheists or agnostics and know not what religion is........... The enjoyment of worldly objects is not an ideal state. Realisation of the self should be the goal of man. All religious books tell us of the way whereby a spirit can have an experience of the Vast Consciousness and Super Consciousness and thereby lead a truly spiritual life, which, however, does not consist in blind beliefs, faithful performance of rites and rituals, and scrupulous observance of social and ethical rules of conduct. To know the Truth, is the be-all and the end-all of all religions." http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/swii/swii-IX.htm
4/24/2016 9:14:22 AM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	That was mindless babble, religious brainwashing.
4/24/2016 9:14:26 AM	Muslims in America
asanb Sanbornton, NH 60, joined Jul. 2012	The problem is that any discussion that debases any group of human beings over their "religion" is that it all religions are just a set of ideas that live in peoples heads, a badge or label that people take on when they come into society. They may be cultural, tribal or national in nature but they are all man made and ephemeral. Muslims are Humans first who are like everyone else drops of consciousness and divine in nature. Religions are social kindergartens that should be shed at age 20, having served the purpose of stimulating discussion of morals and ethics.. Religions that do not serve the purpose of bringing a person into greater consciousness are less than worthless. Christianity is just as guilty of this, if practiced as ritual and dogma. It all comes down to intent. there are truly spiritual people who use the Quran as a tool for attaining higher consciousness, just as the Franciscans and other sects use the Bible. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.
4/24/2016 9:38:27 AM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Yes, people can find that total brainwashing in any religion. What I have noticed, from experience, and this is opinion. is that it is more easily found in religions where you do not speak the written word or text. Instead chant or ritualize the text, and understand what people tell you it is. I noticed this in Nichren Shosu, and Hari Krishna, where the new member gets so involved, brainwashing himself into euphoria, and mysteriousaly things happen in their lives they cannot account for. The brainwashed person, regardless of what religion, has felt the touch of his God. Making his the one true God. Or so he thinks, I prefer a more down to earth approach, where he triggered some inner force. Now we have to put some serious thought into the merits of the religion, the commands, If we have 100 people in each group. One group has a religion that says love people. One has a religion that says kill people. And all 100 are thoroughly brainwashed into the religion. I think the results are obvious.
4/24/2016 10:04:32 AM	Muslims in America
asanb Sanbornton, NH 60, joined Jul. 2012	"As a Christian nation when are we going to stand up and say these a**holes aren't allowed here? They come here to kill us and Obama is wanting to let them come in disguised as refugees. Hell no. A Muslim better not come close to me and my family." This is just ignorant bigotry. For the reasons we just talked about. A human being is a human being and entitled to be treated as such until and unless they Do something Bad. It doesn't matter what they believe, it matters what they do. Unless of course your a Nazi. Then you have an excuse to treat others as sub human.
4/24/2016 10:16:32 AM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	I have to disagree with that, and I am not a Christian. Islam does not belong in any civilized society. Most of your religions that got their start thousands of years ago, Islam is 1200 to 1400, started out in different times, where human life was less value, slavery was the norm. But most religions have evolved. Islam cannot evolve, it has to stay in the 10th century forever. Now some Islamic countries will, and have evolved slightly, but here again is a clause written into the religion[ giving the leader the power to change. This is especially true with dhimmies. However once the country is overthrown, as we see every year, the new leader is The Qur'an, Sunnah and Sharia law, of the 10th century.
4/24/2016 11:29:00 AM	Muslims in America
asanb Sanbornton, NH 60, joined Jul. 2012	You could say the sane for all religions. Once the Master or prophet or Savior has left the scene, it all ossifies into books and rules and dogma. The only true religion is found among the living. In how we make a revelation within ourselves and treat others as a part of our new found self discovery and self respect.
4/24/2016 2:16:38 PM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Quote from asanb: You could say the sane for all religions. Once the Master or prophet or Savior has left the scene, it all ossifies into books and rules and dogma. The only true religion is found among the living. In how we make a revelation within ourselves and treat others as a part of our new found self discovery and self respect. Yes, you can say it about all religions, you can say it about cars, does not make it true. Islam has a dogma that cannot change, cannot evolve, and it is pure evil.
4/24/2016 3:47:18 PM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Quote from asanb: "As a Christian nation when are we going to stand up and say these a**holes aren't allowed here? They come here to kill us and Obama is wanting to let them come in disguised as refugees. Hell no. A Muslim better not come close to me and my family." This is just ignorant bigotry. For the reasons we just talked about. A human being is a human being and entitled to be treated as such until and unless they Do something Bad. It doesn't matter what they believe, it matters what they do. Unless of course your a Nazi. Then you have an excuse to treat others as sub human. Your last sentence spoke volumes. Unless of course your a Nazi how about..Unless of course your a muslim They are very similar, except Hitler wasn't a sexual pervert. Now don't get me wrong, there are some very nice Nazi's, they don't all follow the doctrine as proposed.
4/24/2016 8:52:50 PM	Muslims in America
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	There are many similarities between Nazism and Islam that were noticed by many during Nazism's heyday. Hitler once said that he wished Charles Martel had been defeated and that if Germany were a Muslim nation it would be even more proficient in battle than it already was. Muslims in Egypt and North Africa, where much of WW2 was fought, generally supported the Germans over the British.
4/24/2016 11:11:50 PM	Muslims in America
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 40, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from Yasureoktoo: Your last sentence spoke volumes. Unless of course your a Nazi how about..Unless of course your a muslim They are very similar, except Hitler wasn't a sexual pervert. Now don't get me wrong, there are some very nice Nazi's, they don't all follow the doctrine as proposed. Brilliant comparison.
4/24/2016 11:26:52 PM	Muslims in America
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 40, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from ludlowlowell: There are many similarities between Nazism and Islam that were noticed by many during Nazism's heyday. Hitler once said that he wished Charles Martel had been defeated and that if Germany were a Muslim nation it would be even more proficient in battle than it already was. Muslims in Egypt and North Africa, where much of WW2 was fought, generally supported the Germans over the British. I read that too. Historicians support the thesis that Muslims supported Hitler in his antisemitic cleanse called "holocaust". Definitely Muslims supported Hitler in killing thousands of Jews in the concentration camps. And Muslims still want to do that in their antisemitic delirium.
4/24/2016 11:58:58 PM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Even the dumb ones get the message.
4/25/2016 12:48:30 AM	Muslims in America
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 40, joined Jun. 2014	More about this beautiful religion of peace.
4/25/2016 5:36:06 AM	Muslims in America
aphrodisianus Leander, TX 66, joined Oct. 2013	Atrocities have always been committed by Christians and by the millions. Christians invented gruesome tortures, not a quick death.
4/25/2016 6:04:10 AM	Muslims in America
olderthandirt20 Waldron, AR 69, joined Jul. 2014 online now!	Judeo-christianity's handbook is rife with smiting thine enemies,the unfaithful,non virgin brides and nonbelievers. So to with the many offshoots/derivatives of this hideous cult. [Edited 4/25/2016 6:05:04 AM ]
4/25/2016 6:59:24 AM	Muslims in America
asanb Sanbornton, NH 60, joined Jul. 2012	Murder by numbers, How to start a war: "10 easy steps to create an enemy and start a war: Listen closely because we will all see this weapon used in our lives. It can be used on a society of the most ignorant to the most highly educated. We need to see these tactics as a weapon against humanity and not as truth. First step: Create the enemy. Sometimes this will be done for you. Second step: Be sure the enemy that you have chosen is nothing like you. Find obvious differences like race, language, religion, dietary habits fashion. Emphasize that their soldiers are not doing a job, they are heartless murderers who enjoy killing! Third step: Once these differences are established continue to reinforce them with all disseminated information. Fourth step: Have the media broadcast only the ruling party’s information this can be done through state-run media. Remember, in times of conflict all for-profit media repeats the ruling party’s information. Therefore all for-profit media is state-run. Fifth step: Show this enemy in actions that seem strange, militant, or different. Always portray the enemy as non-human, evil, a killing machine. Sixth step: Eliminate opposition to the ruling party. Create an “Us versus Them” mentality. Leave no room for opinions in between. One that does not support all actions of the ruling party should be considered a traitor. Seventh step: Use nationalistic and/or religious symbols and rhetoric to define all actions. This can be achieved with slogans such as “freedom loving people versus those who hate freedom.” This can also be achieved with the use of flags. Eighth step: Align all actions with a dominant deity. It is very effective to use terms like, “It is god’s will” or “god bless our nation.” Ninth step: Design propaganda to show that your soldiers have feelings, hopes, families, and loved ones. Make it clear that your soldiers are doing a duty; they do not want or like to kill. Tenth step: Create an atmosphere of fear, and instability then offer the ruling party as the only solution to comfort the public’s fears. Remembering the fear of the unknown is always the strongest fear. We are not countries. We are not nations. We are not religions. We are not gods. We are not weapons. We are not ammunition. We are not killers. We will NOT be tools." http://planet.infowars.com/politics/10-easy-steps-to-create-an-enemy-and-start-a-war
4/25/2016 7:52:12 AM	Muslims in America
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 40, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from aphrodisianus: Atrocities have always been committed by Christians and by the millions. Christians invented gruesome tortures, not a quick death. Ok but Christians stopped with torturing and mass killing after the Middle Age was over. Insteam Muslims do those atrocities still TODAY. Don't you think you should take this fact into consideration when comparing Muslims to other religions????????
4/25/2016 7:54:44 AM	Muslims in America
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 40, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from asanb: Murder by numbers, How to start a war: "10 easy steps to create an enemy and start a war: Listen closely because we will all see this weapon used in our lives. It can be used on a society of the most ignorant to the most highly educated. We need to see these tactics as a weapon against humanity and not as truth. First step: Create the enemy. Sometimes this will be done for you. Second step: Be sure the enemy that you have chosen is nothing like you. Find obvious differences like race, language, religion, dietary habits fashion. Emphasize that their soldiers are not doing a job, they are heartless murderers who enjoy killing! Third step: Once these differences are established continue to reinforce them with all disseminated information. Fourth step: Have the media broadcast only the ruling party’s information this can be done through state-run media. Remember, in times of conflict all for-profit media repeats the ruling party’s information. Therefore all for-profit media is state-run. Fifth step: Show this enemy in actions that seem strange, militant, or different. Always portray the enemy as non-human, evil, a killing machine. Sixth step: Eliminate opposition to the ruling party. Create an “Us versus Them” mentality. Leave no room for opinions in between. One that does not support all actions of the ruling party should be considered a traitor. Seventh step: Use nationalistic and/or religious symbols and rhetoric to define all actions. This can be achieved with slogans such as “freedom loving people versus those who hate freedom.” This can also be achieved with the use of flags. Eighth step: Align all actions with a dominant deity. It is very effective to use terms like, “It is god’s will” or “god bless our nation.” Ninth step: Design propaganda to show that your soldiers have feelings, hopes, families, and loved ones. Make it clear that your soldiers are doing a duty; they do not want or like to kill. Tenth step: Create an atmosphere of fear, and instability then offer the ruling party as the only solution to comfort the public’s fears. Remembering the fear of the unknown is always the strongest fear. We are not countries. We are not nations. We are not religions. We are not gods. We are not weapons. We are not ammunition. We are not killers. We will NOT be tools." http://planet.infowars.com/politics/10-easy-steps-to-create-an-enemy-and-start-a-war ...how stupid!
4/25/2016 8:01:42 AM	Muslims in America
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 40, joined Jun. 2014	Muslims are not happy with penetrating children and goats so now they want also give blow jobs to the infidels before to behead them.
4/25/2016 9:03:33 AM	Muslims in America
nonstandard York, PA 53, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from stregaleonora: You talk nonsense like someone who is trippin' on crack! But get down in the real world LibTard! The physical universe is the real world , our societies , and our personas , are images . We don't know anything , beyond what our physical universe reveals to us . It can inspire imagination , and creativity , but they're still only images of the real thing . I know I'm a beast , and if you want to act like one , the least you can do , is admit it too . There are no angels , or saints , on here .
4/25/2016 9:13:34 AM	Muslims in America
nonstandard York, PA 53, joined Jun. 2009	"An eye for an eye , makes the whole world blind"
4/25/2016 9:29:40 AM	Muslims in America
asanb Sanbornton, NH 60, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from stregaleonora: ...how stupid! Indeed The way to defeat ISIS and radical Islam is to get Muslims to reject it. Fomenting conflict by insinuating that All Muslims are evil doesn't make that happen. What does?
4/25/2016 11:03:22 AM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Quote from asanb: Indeed The way to defeat ISIS and radical Islam is to get Muslims to reject it. Fomenting conflict by insinuating that All Muslims are evil doesn't make that happen. What does? Wait a minute, How do you propose that. ISIS is doing exactly what muhammed ordered. You are saying to get muslims to reject muhammed.
4/25/2016 11:18:54 AM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Quote from asanb: Indeed The way to defeat ISIS and radical Islam is to get Muslims to reject it. Fomenting conflict by insinuating that All Muslims are evil doesn't make that happen. What does? And nobody said all muslims are evil. All "ISLAM' is evil
4/25/2016 12:49:34 PM	Muslims in America
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	I agree that Muslims should be taught how ugly and hateful their hero Muhammed was, so that they might reject him in favor of the Good Lord Jesus Christ.
4/25/2016 4:06:07 PM	Muslims in America
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 87, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: I agree that Muslims should be taught how ugly and hateful their hero Muhammed was, so that they might reject him in favor of the Good Lord Jesus Christ. Your church rejects "the Good Lord Jesus Christ," and refuses to do as He says, willfully disobeying and defying Him. Your church honors Him with its lips. Mat 15:8-9 These [Catholics] draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. ...in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. "Call no man your father upon the earth: "for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Matthew 23:9) "Why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46) “Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.” (Mark 7:9) "If a man love me, he will keep my words."(John 14:23) "He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings." (John 14:24) And the word which you have heard, is not mine; but the Father's who sent me." (John 14:24) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:4)
4/25/2016 5:59:53 PM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Quote from ludlowlowell: I agree that Muslims should be taught how ugly and hateful their hero Muhammed was, so that they might reject him in favor of the Good Lord Jesus Christ. I would say reject him in favor of any religion, if you are really dependent on "Sky Daddy's". Just reject him if you have any morals whatsoever.
4/25/2016 9:11:11 PM	Muslims in America
asanb Sanbornton, NH 60, joined Jul. 2012	“God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just.” (Surat al-Mumtahana, 8) “We have appointed a law and a practice for every one of you. Had God willed, He would have made you a single community, but He wanted to test you regarding what has come to you. So compete with each other in doing good. Every one of you will return to God and He will inform you regarding the things about which you differed.” (Surat al-Ma’ida, 48) ""If people are intent on using religion to motivate terror or violence, they'll find an excuse there no matter what the actual text says," says David Rodier of American University in Washington, D.C., who is an expert on the world's religions. Like the Koran, he says, most holy scriptures are filled with stories of war and warriors, and these images have been used throughout history by some members of every faith to justify bloodshed. "Religion, after all, speaks to our most basic and ultimate convictions, and if you are wanting to use violence, if you can find a religious justification, then you can find a very powerful motivation," says Rodier. "The strong person is not the good wrestler. Rather,the strong person is the one who controls himself when he is angry. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 73, #135)” “Declare your jihad on thirteen enemies you cannot see -egoism, arrogance, conceit, selfishness, greed, lust, intolerance, anger, lying, cheating, gossiping and slandering. If you can master and destroy them, then you will be read to fight the enemy you can see.” - Al-Ghazali
4/26/2016 1:41:00 AM	Muslims in America
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 40, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from asanb: Indeed The way to defeat ISIS and radical Islam is to get Muslims to reject it. Fomenting conflict by insinuating that All Muslims are evil doesn't make that happen. What does? You are not going to win evil by hiding the truth. We had enough of political correctness...and above everything IT DOES NOT WORK. In my opinion the way to get Muslims get out of that violent religion from hell, is to let them know what Islam is really about. Because most Muslims don't know. Islam uses fear to control people. Fear and ignorance. Why do you think they convert people to Islam mostly in prison? Because prisoners tend to have very little schooling and so they have no a clue what they get into! Ayaan Ali was born Muslim. She had FGM and when adult escaped from her village and left Islam. She lives in England hidden because she has been condemned to death. She spends her life to write about Islam, so people will know. She converted many Muslims, and she belped them to hide because they have been hunted because of their conversion. She is the HERO, no the a**holes who cover up the truth. In this world we need more truth. We have enough lies already.
4/26/2016 1:48:37 AM	Muslims in America
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 40, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from nonstandard: "An eye for an eye , makes the whole world blind" You are missing the whole point! Here is not about something stupid like an eye for an eye! I wish it was that simple! There is an ongoing process which is leading the world to destruction and slavery, bigotry and violence. This is about to slow down, stop and reverse this evil process: stop Islamization. The way to stop this evil is by starting to tell the truth snd stop lying because of fear.
4/26/2016 2:12:21 AM	Muslims in America
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 87, joined May. 2012	Quote from Yasureoktoo: I would say reject him in favor of any religion, if you are really dependent on "Sky Daddy's". Just reject him if you have any morals whatsoever. That really should be "Sky Daddies." Just sayin'.
4/26/2016 3:55:30 AM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Quote from stregaleonora: In my opinion the way to get Muslims get out of that violent religion from hell, is to let them know what Islam is really about. Because most Muslims don't know. . This is something I have been stressing all the time, and it applies to non-muslims also. Instead of catering to the wishes of an evil cult, put the information out there for all to see. Make the public aware of the contents of the religion, call them out, when they publicly lie about the religion to the west. Too many people are unaware that when good verses are pointed out, and yes, there are some, they only apply to the muslim, and more specifically, the branch the person is in. The ounce of goodness, does not outweigh, the mountain of evil.
4/26/2016 2:46:19 PM	Muslims in America
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 40, joined Jun. 2014	There are many Muslims who would like to get out of Islam but they are scared. In fact Islam uses fear against people. Even if Muslims who abandon Islam have not been killed they are still being harassed and persecuted by the Muslim community. And that happens in America, in UK, in Australia and so on.
4/26/2016 2:48:50 PM	Muslims in America
asanb Sanbornton, NH 60, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from stregaleonora: You are not going to win evil by hiding the truth. We had enough of political correctness...and above everything IT DOES NOT WORK. In my opinion the way to get Muslims get out of that violent religion from hell, is to let them know what Islam is really about. Because most Muslims don't know. And you will create effective communication to do that by defiling them and spouting bigoted rant? Educating people doesn't begin with alienating them. And it helps to base your argument on Facts and not hysteria. They don't know the truth about what the Quran says even though it is recited many times at the mosque? Who the Hell are you to tell a Muslim what the Quran says? Why would any Muslim listen to a hateful post beginning the way this one does? Islam uses fear to control people. Fear and ignorance. So do religious and political recruiters from every cause. YOU ARE DOING THE SAME THING! Every post is about "Be Afraid of those awful Muslims". Why do you think they convert people to Islam mostly in prison? Because prisoners tend to have very little schooling and so they have no a clue what they get into! Really? I think you need to come up with some facts to back that one up. It's true that Radicalism, extremism and terrorism of all kinds breed in ignorance and poverty, and that's true all over the world in or out of prison. So how do we spread wealth and knowledge to the underprivileged? Wouldn't that neutralize recruitment? Ayaan Ali was born Muslim. She had FGM and when adult escaped from her village and left Islam. She lives in England hidden because she has been condemned to death. She spends her life to write about Islam, so people will know. She converted many Muslims, and she belped them to hide because they have been hunted because of their conversion. She is the HERO, no the a**holes who cover up the truth. so what? Hateful rhetoric won't solve her problem or anyone else's In this world we need more truth. We have enough lies already. Yes, we do. It doesn't help your cause at all to adulterate, embellish, and twist Islam to try to prove a point. Stick to the truth and not silly emotional rants.
4/26/2016 2:58:30 PM	Muslims in America
asanb Sanbornton, NH 60, joined Jul. 2012	It’s easy to love a perfect God, unblemished and infallible that He is. What is far more difficult is to love fellow human being with all their imperfections and defects. Remember, one can only know what one is capable of loving. There is no wisdom without love. Unless we learn to love God’s creation, we can neither truly love nor truly know God. Real faith is the one inside. The rest simply washes off. There is only one type of dirt that cannot be cleansed with pure water, and that is the stain of hatred and bigotry contaminating the soul. You can purify your body through abstinence and fasting, but only love will purify your heart. Shames of Tabris, a Muslim Saint. There is no love in this discourse. Nothing to attract anyone of noble intent or higher purpose. Not even Love for Jesus as it does not reflect his teachings, Or atheist Humanism, that at least expects people to respect each other. Be the example of what you are trying to teach.
4/26/2016 3:51:34 PM	Muslims in America
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 40, joined Jun. 2014	You completely misunderstood everything I wrote. What is you name? Ansab? You are a total idiot.
4/26/2016 4:04:42 PM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Quote from asanb: .And you will create effective communication to do that by defiling them and spouting bigoted rant? Educating people doesn't begin with alienating them. And it helps to base your argument on Facts and not hysteria. They don't know the truth about what the Quran says even though it is recited many times at the mosque? Who the Hell are you to tell a Muslim what the Quran says? Why would any Muslim listen to a hateful post beginning the way this one does? Whoooo Back the truck up. Nobody has to tell a muslim, or anyone else, what the Qur'an says All you have to do is read it, and read it correctly.
4/26/2016 4:06:44 PM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Quote from asanb: It doesn't help your cause at all to adulterate, embellish, and twist Islam to try to prove a point. Stick to the truth and not silly emotional rants. If I recall, it is you who is trying to twist what Islam says. I say we all cut the bullshit, and stick with the truth.
4/26/2016 5:55:48 PM	Muslims in America
asanb Sanbornton, NH 60, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from stregaleonora: You completely misunderstood everything I wrote. What is you name? Ansab? You are a total idiot. A response fitting your inability to defend your position and lack of grasp of the issue.
4/26/2016 6:11:42 PM	Muslims in America
asanb Sanbornton, NH 60, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from Yasureoktoo: If I recall, it is you who is trying to twist what Islam says. I say we all cut the bullshit, and stick with the truth. If it agrees with your truth? From my point of view, you spread conveniently doctored "information" about Islam to spread hate, based solely on what's Written, or questionable interpretations of it. It's a matter of perspective. You call me a Liar, but know nothing of my perspective. I have given reference to my sources that you call "Modern day Charlatan" in total ignorance of his works. Your references are Rare and unobtainable copies of old books that explain all. Mine are freely published on the web for all to read. Would you buy a used car with your kind of "take my word for it" references? I point to real world instances of Muslims who are more than exemplary spiritual guides who are firmly based in Islam as refutation of your proposals, and you deny it outright without due deliberation. don't confuse you with facts? .
4/26/2016 6:14:33 PM	Muslims in America
asanb Sanbornton, NH 60, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from stregaleonora: You completely misunderstood everything I wrote. What is you name? Ansab? You are a total idiot. I completely understood your original post. It is a testament to Bigotry and intolerance. Now a personal attack? How small.
4/26/2016 6:17:57 PM	Muslims in America
asanb Sanbornton, NH 60, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from Yasureoktoo: If I recall, it is you who is trying to twist what Islam says. site a post that Twists Islam? I say we all cut the bullshit, and stick with the truth. I say the same
4/26/2016 6:23:31 PM	Muslims in America
asanb Sanbornton, NH 60, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from Yasureoktoo: Whoooo Back the truck up. Nobody has to tell a muslim, or anyone else, what the Qur'an says All you have to do is read it, and read it correctly. Read it with respect to "Jim's correct interpretation of ancient Arabic scripture"? HMMMM If she want's to post that she is "educating Muslims about the Quran, the comment is most on point.
4/26/2016 6:30:44 PM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	All of your posts regarding Sufi. twists Islam into something it is not, and 95 percent of the muslims on earth will kill you for it, Or at least if they do not pull the trigger, they are in the group that will. And Why are you trying to make interpretation an issue. The religion reads pretty plainly, there is nothing to interpret. That is false to begin with. It has nothing to do with interpretation, but rather, manipulation.
4/26/2016 6:34:49 PM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Quote from asanb: If it agrees with your truth? From my point of view, you spread conveniently doctored "information" about Islam to spread hate, based solely on what's Written, or questionable interpretations of it. It's a matter of perspective. You call me a Liar, but know nothing of my perspective. I have given reference to my sources that you call "Modern day Charlatan" in total ignorance of his works. Your references are Rare and unobtainable copies of old books that explain all. Mine are freely published on the web for all to read. Would you buy a used car with your kind of "take my word for it" references? I point to real world instances of Muslims who are more than exemplary spiritual guides who are firmly based in Islam as refutation of your proposals, and you deny it outright without due deliberation. don't confuse you with facts? . This is one of the biggest piles of shit you wrote. NOTHING I POST IS DOCTERED, IT IS STRAIGHT FROM THE TEXT. My references are the books that "ALL" of Islam is written from. You, on the other hand, are posting modern day re-writings of the religion, that the overwhelming majority of muslims do not follow, and will kill you for even attempting to preach.
4/26/2016 6:54:54 PM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	And My references are Qur'an, I use the top 5 translations, but I prefer Nobel, because it is in all the mosques. Ishaq's, Sirat rasual Allah, It is downloadable online, and for sale in muslim stores and internet. The History of AlTaburi, Last I checked it is not available online, and naturally because Islam does not want the Kaffir reading it. But it is available in book form. Bukhari, Is available online, or in book form. Muslim, is available online, or in book form. We can ad this rebuttal to counter another of your chronic lies about references. BTW, Muhammed himself, gave orders not to carry written documentation of the religion, lest it falls in the hands of the enemy.
4/26/2016 9:04:18 PM	Muslims in America
asanb Sanbornton, NH 60, joined Jul. 2012	Quote from Yasureoktoo: All of your posts regarding Sufi. twists Islam into something it is not, and 95 percent of the muslims on earth will kill you for it, Or at least if they do not pull the trigger, they are in the group that will. If this is so , why has there not been an uproar from the Muslim community to ban or burn the books of Rumi, Shams of Tabriz, Hafiz, Al-Ghazali, and the long list of Sufi masters. Why are the publications of the modern Sufi orders not subject to the same? And the History of the Sufi isn't suppressed. And Why are you trying to make interpretation an issue. The religion reads pretty plainly, there is nothing to interpret. That is false to begin with. It has nothing to do with interpretation, but rather, manipulation. All of my quotes from Sufis, Are from Sufis, And they represent the wrings and sayings of the spiritual core of Islam, the Sufi. If they shed doubt on popular veiws and interpretations of Islam, then perhaps your interpretation is incorrect.
4/26/2016 9:15:35 PM	Muslims in America
asanb Sanbornton, NH 60, joined Jul. 2012	HAFIZ (1320—-1389 A.D.)—A great Persian Saint-poet born at Shiraz. Hafiz is the pen name which means 'one who knows Koran by heart'. His real name was Shams-ud-Din Mohammed which means 'Sun of the Religion founded by Prophet Mohammed'. Hafiz enjoys great popularity among the Muslims and Hindus alike both as a saint as well as a poet. MAULANA RUMI, Jalal-ud-Din (1207-73)—The famous author of the greatest mystic poem called Masnavi or Mathnawi. He was just a school teacher (Maulvi) but under the powerful influence of his spiritual guide and preceptor, Shamas Tabrezi, he very soon rose to the eminent position of a great spiritual guide (Maulana) and became a teacher of mankind, in the higher (spiritual) values of life. Immediately on his death, he was worshipped as a Saint. Saadi Shirazi Poet Abu-Muhammad Muslih al-Din bin Abdallah Shirazi, better known by his pen-name Saadi, also known as Saadi of Shiraz, was one of the major Persian poets and literary men of the medieval period.- "Whenever you argue with another wiser than yourself in order that others may admire your wisdom, they will discover your ignorance."
4/26/2016 9:50:16 PM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	No. That is absolutely incorrect. In fact look at the dates of the people you mentioned. You are speaking of an offshoot of Islam, that is mostly Zoastranism anyways. There are lots of offshoots of Islam, most of which have already been killed off. You are speaking of an offshoot, that you are claiming represents Islam, which it does not. You are speaking of an offshoot, that is probably pretty good, compared to Islam. You are speaking of an offshoot, that has removed the main person, and replaced it with another, straight out of the imagination, with nothing to verify it, and all to deny it.
4/26/2016 9:57:35 PM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Your argument has as much credibility as saying The snake handlers represent Christianity. Or the speaking in tongues represent Christianity.
4/26/2016 10:35:05 PM	Muslims in America
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 40, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from asanb: A response fitting your inability to defend your position and lack of grasp of the issue. The issue have been repeated to you over and over again but you don't get it.
4/26/2016 10:41:42 PM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Quote from stregaleonora: The issue have been repeated to you over and over again but you don't get it. And proven whenever necessary, but he still doesn't grasp it.
4/26/2016 10:42:09 PM	Muslims in America
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 40, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from asanb: I completely understood your original post. It is a testament to Bigotry and intolerance. Now a personal attack? How small. You are not only an idiot you are also dishonest in your positions: Ignoring the points which are not in your favor, twisting the matter over and over because you are wrong, and to keep covering up a violent religion. An idiot and a dishonest person. That what you are asanb. Nothing personal just the truth.
4/26/2016 10:44:26 PM	Muslims in America
stregaleonora Atlanta, GA 40, joined Jun. 2014	Quote from Yasureoktoo: And proven whenever necessary, but he still doesn't grasp it. ...wathever logic argument you put on the table, he ignores it or twist it around.
4/26/2016 10:49:39 PM	Muslims in America
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	And he will just repeat the same thing over a few days later. He is using philosophers, pretending they represent a religion. He uses,, Not altered text so much, as made up text, that alters a person.
4/26/2016 11:08:24 PM	Muslims in America
jester0011 Lake Waccamaw, NC 48, joined Jun. 2014	get rid of them

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