How About Addressing the ACORN Problem

10/13/2008 5:20:26 PM	How About Addressing the ACORN Problem
knittinkitten Lady Lake, FL age: 72	I read one post after another dealing with our candidates. However, in checking over today's posts, not one person has even mentioned the information we have just heard about the THOUSANDS of KNOWN ILLEGAL voters who have been signed up. Is there something wrong with me...or is there something wrong with the way in which this election itself is being handled that we cannot immediately stop this and investigage it BEFORE ELECTION DAY. I can't believe that IF THEY REALLY WANTED IT TO BE CORRECTED, SOMEONE WOULD HAVE ALREADY DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT RATHER THAN TALK. Isn't there some kind of emergency measure in place to handle a situation like this? I don't believe the news is truly NEW.... Anyone know anything I don't know about this? KK
10/13/2008 5:27:11 PM	How About Addressing the ACORN Problem
youngcharliemac Las Vegas, NV age: 26	again? Lets start another post on Ayers too, and Rev Wright, and Keating 5, and Alaskan Indepence Party, And Palin's abuse of power... oh wait! I know what we need a post on. Why isn't anyone addressing the story that came out today on Obama being a muslim? There's new information! There's been a picture released of him with one of those muslimy type hats on. [Edited 10/13/2008 5:30:46 PM]
10/13/2008 5:30:28 PM	How About Addressing the ACORN Problem
layla22 Peoria, IL age: 54	kitten, i did a thread on ACORN on 9-20-08. it was titled "jive turkey scandal: atty. obama & ACORN". i detailed much of the scandalous activity and criminal indictments and convictions they have racked up, as well as their sources of money and a money/campaign staff trail to obama. we do have an ACORN staffer who posts here, kitten. as with many topics embarrassing to obama or his supporters, ACORN is just one of many they like to dismiss and rule as not to be discussed here.
10/13/2008 5:31:42 PM	How About Addressing the ACORN Problem
rlynn_3 Martinsburg, WV age: 39	actualy this gives bush the excuse for martial law ,which means no elections and here comes NU.
10/13/2008 6:12:13 PM	How About Addressing the ACORN Problem
knittinkitten Lady Lake, FL age: 72	Sorry, layla - I was out of the country at that time, and it's been impossible to catch up on everything. I was particularly thinking of the information which just came out in the past few days... I seriously want to know if there's ANY way to get those fake names off the lists. And, if there is NOT, why bother discussing any of the rest of the subject...it won't matter. We seem to repeat things often, hun. Some things I believe are worth repeating, others I simply stay out of. By the way, I don't not know anyone from ACORN and, I am in no way condemning the entire organization because I do not feel I know enough to make a decision. But, what I HAVE learned is that something WRONG has taken place and, I would assume, VERY illegal. And as far as our young man is concerned, he is entitled to his thoughts, but, it would have been apprectiated a bit better if he had been a bit more respectful. I know he doesn't like to be reminded of his youth, but, sometimes with age comes a bit more maturity. To me, at ANY age, sarcasm like that when someone has made a sincere request, is TOTALLY out of place, and says more about him than it does about me. Sorry, but I felt this should be said since it IS my thread and he could have disagreed with my question in a much more mature fashion....perhaps by offering an answer. I'm not planning to block him. Usually I like very much what he has to say...whrther or not I agree with him. Sincerely, KK [Edited 10/13/2008 6:13:21 PM]
10/13/2008 6:28:39 PM	How About Addressing the ACORN Problem
layla22 Peoria, IL age: 54	kitten, the list of complaints and VERIFIED fraud committed by ACORN grows nearly every day, if one watches all 4 of the cable news stations. over the past several days, we've learned of ACORN in ohio paying for registrations with cigarettes and cash. a domino's pizza worker said he registered something like 73 times. one guy who registered 17 times said he did so as the ACORN staffer was a friend, who said he would be fired if he didn't turn in a quota of forms each day. he said he was just trying to "help a friend" by registering so many times. "help a friend"---the theme of obama's rise with the help of shady associates or organizations such as ACORN? i just think the fix is in on this election, and this rotten-to-the-core organization is only part of it.
10/13/2008 6:41:23 PM	How About Addressing the ACORN Problem
knittinkitten Lady Lake, FL age: 72	yup, none of this is news to me., That's what I've been reading about. Maybe I'm naive, but I find it difficult to believe that there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING the law abiding citizens can do about this...... Yes, you don't have to convince me that the fix is in...That's more scary, to me, than who is going to be our President. I have been at the computer all evening. I guess I better go turn on the TV to see what I've been missing. Surely there must be something. Thanks, hun, for your replies. KK
10/13/2008 6:44:47 PM	How About Addressing the ACORN Problem
youngcharliemac Las Vegas, NV age: 26	Kitten, there's no need to take them off any list becuase they aren't on any list. These fraudulent forms are just voter registration forms that were sent in. A person can fill out 1000 forms but they will only be registered for one vote and come nov. 4 they will only be counted for one vote. The person layla mentioned that worked for ACORN is me. I worked there for two days and saw the things going on that has them in trouble now. They hire people there simply on their ability to go out and get people registered. If you don't turn in a certain amount of forms everyday, they let you go. So many people, turn in fake forms just to keep their jobs. These people don't care one bit about the election or else they would seriously be out their trying to register voters. These lazy people, once discovered are immediately fired by ACORN and reported to authorities for falsifying government documents. ACORN is very harsh on these people because they are in dire need to keep a respectable reputation because of the type of work they do. But these lazy people, who don't really care about ACORNs true goal, have done a great job a tarnishing what was originally a spotless and honorable organization. It is what happens when all things grow too big. When you own a family restaurant, you know that everyone there will give their all to give the restaraunt the best reputation possible. But once you become a franchise, you have to hire strangers off the street, and these strngers will spit in your burgers and wipe their a** with your buns. Get it??? If not, just ask and I'll give you all the information I know about ACORN. As layla said, I have worked for them, nothing I find to be shameful. I actually worked at the office that just recently got raided out here in Nevada. I left because I am an Obama supporter so I wanted to be able to talk to people about Obama as I registered them, also I saw immediately that most of the people working their didn't care at all about politics or about the actual goals of ACORN. [Edited 10/13/2008 6:54:19 PM]
10/13/2008 6:46:39 PM	How About Addressing the ACORN Problem
be4eyedie Janesville, WI age: 44	I agree with Charlie to an extent. Obama's connection with ACORN is not that close imo. Unless proven otherwise. However, this voter registration fraud by whatever group for whatever party has to be stopped. This is the computer age with Identity theft as a big problem. But some of these registration frauds are blatant and obvious. The ACORN problem is real, I heard one volunteer say she could not count how many registration cards she had filled out. It could effect either party or any election at any time the way things are currently set up. Please fix this problem. We have the technology...jmo
10/13/2008 7:00:48 PM	How About Addressing the ACORN Problem
youngcharliemac Las Vegas, NV age: 26	This is from ACORN's website, www.acorn.org. They adrress what I had said in my last post in "Key Facts; 1." I think that anyone that's wants to know about ACORN and not just about bad things they can associate to Barack Obama should read this. In fact, Im going to start a thread on it. Bogus "Voter Fraud Charges" Aim to Camouflage Voter Suppression October 10, 2008 ACORN has just completed the largest, most successful nonpartisan voter registration drive in U.S. history. We helped 1.3 million low-income, minority and young voters across the country register to vote. Unfortunately, just as in 2006, that success in bringing people into the democratic process, have been greeted with unfounded accusations to disparage our work and help maintain the status quo of an unbalanced electorate. After a similar spate of charges against ACORN in 2006, we learned that then-Attorney General Alberto Gonzales had fired Republican U.S. Attorneys because they refused to prosecute ACORN and other voter assistance groups on trumped up fraud charges. This was the heart of the U.S. Attorney-gate scandal that led Karl Rove, Gonzales and other top Department of Justice officials to resign. Because the press didn’t catch on until long after the election, it was part of a successful strategy to create an unfounded specter of voter fraud and to suppress voting. Key Facts: 1. In order to help 1.3 million people register to vote, we hired more than 13,000 registration assistance workers. As with any business or agency that operates at this scale, there are always some people who want to get paid without really doing the job, or who aim to defraud their employer. Any large department store will have some workers who shoplift. 2. Any large voter registration operation will have a small percentage of workers who turn in bogus registration forms, Their goal clearly is not to cast a fraudulent vote. It is simply to defraud their employer, ACORN, by getting a paycheck without earning it. ACORN is the victim of this fraud – not the perpetrator. 3. In nearly every case that has been reported , it was ACORN that discovered the bad forms, and called them to the attention of election authorities, putting the forms in a package that identified them in writing as suspicious, encouraging election officials to investigate, and offering to help with prosecutions. We are required by law to turn in all forms, but instead of just turning them in and figuring that it is the responsibility of the board of elections to figure out which are valid, we spend millions of dollars verifying that forms are valid, and then separate out those that are suspicious. 4. This has nothing to do with “voter fraud” – nothing at all to do with anyone trying to cast an extra vote. There has never been a single reported instance in which bogus registration forms have led to anyone voting improperly. To do that, they would have to show up at the polls, prove their identity as all first-time registrants must, and risk jail. The people who turned in these forms did so not because they wanted an extra vote, but because they didn’t care enough to make sure eligible people got to vote at all. 5. When a department store calls the police to report a shoplifting employee, no one says the department store is guilty of consumer fraud. But for some reason, when ACORN turns voter registration workers over to the authorities for filling out bogus forms, it gets accused of “voter fraud.” This is a classic case of blaming the victim; indeed, these charges are outrageous, libelous, and often politically motivated. 6. Similar attacks were launched against ACORN and other voter registration organizations in 2004 and 2006. The bogus charges were at the heart of the U.S. Attorney-gate scandal that led to the resignations of Karl Rove, Attorney General Ablerto Gonzales and other top Justice Department Officials. It turned out that it was the charges that were fraudulent, and that they were part of a systematic partisan agenda of voter suppression. Republican U.S. Attorneys David Iglesias (NM), Todd Graves (MO), and John McKay (WA) all were fired primarily because they refused to prosecute similar bogus charges of “voter fraud.” Another U.S. Attorney, Bradley Schlozman, who did politicize prosecutions against former ACORN canvassers, was forced to acknowledge under cross examination by the Senate Judiciary Committee that ACORN was the victim of fraud by its employees and ACORN had caught the employees and had identified them to law enforcement. 7. The goals of the people orchestrating these attacks are to distract ACORN from helping people vote and to justify massive voter suppression. That’s the real voter fraud; the noise about a small fraction of the forms ACORN has turned in is meant to get the press and public take their eyes off the real threat, while those hurling the charges are stealing people’s right to vote in broad daylight. They have already tried to prevent Ohio from registering voters at its early voting sites. In Michigan, they planned to use foreclosure notices to challenge thousands of voters. And if this year is like past years, they are preparing to use this so-called voter fraud to justify massive challenges to voters in minority precincts on Election Day. The Details: Fact: ACORN has implemented the most sophisticated quality-control system in the voter engagement field but in almost every state we are required to turn in ALL completed applications, even the ones we know to be problematic. Fact: ACORN flags in writing incomplete, problem, or suspicious cards when we turn them in,. Unfortunately, some of these same officials then come back weeks or months later and accuse us of deliberately turning in phony cards. In many cases, we can actually prove that these are the same cards we called to their attention. Fact: Our canvassers are paid by the hour, not by the card . ACORN has a zero-tolerance policy for deliberately falsifying registrations, and in the cases where our internal quality controls have identified this happening we have fired the workers involved and turned them in to election officials and law-enforcement. Fact: No criminal charges related to voter registration have ever been brought against ACORN or partner organizations. Convictions against individual former ACORN workers have been accomplished with our full cooperation, using the evidence obtained through our quality control and verification processes — evidence which in most cases WE called to the attention of authorities Fact: Most election officials have recognized ACORN’s good work and praised our quality control systems. Even in the cities where election officials have complained about ACORN, the applications in question represent less than 1% of the thousands and thousands of registrations ACORN has collected. Fact: Our accusers not only fail to provide any evidence, they fail to suggest a motive: there is virtually no chance anyone would be able to vote fraudulently, so there is no reason to deliberately submit phony registrations. ACORN is committed to ensuring that the greatest possible numbers of people are registered ACORN will not be intimidated, we will not be provoked, and in this important moment in history we will not allow anyone to distract us from these vital efforts to empower our constituencies and our communities to speak for themselves.
10/13/2008 7:18:26 PM	How About Addressing the ACORN Problem
knittinkitten Lady Lake, FL age: 72	Thanks, Charlie: Now THAT was the type of response I was used to reading from you....Thanks... I read every word....You will note, that the title of my Thread was addressing the ACORN Problem. I worded it that way because I understood that the organization was not behind this. I have been around long enough to see the unscrupulous in almost every endeavor....Often I stick around anyway, because I know for sure that if I AM THERE, I am certain, at least, of SOME honesty. Perhaps I wasn't quite sure as far as "Lists" were concerned. But, I could not, for the life of me, understand how several people would be able to obtain the documentation necessary to present themselves so many times....However, I believe the problem of the legitimate voter who has been signed up and bribed to vote in a certain way is not helping matters either. There's no way that I can think of to do anything about THAT. And, wherever last minute sign ups, without time to check on the authenticity, would be the ones that are the most suspect. I hope that problem is also addressed, where applicable. You will notice that I am from Florida. We have had our share of Voting problems here in the last few years...although I have yet to see and actual "chad", "hanging" or otherwise... Just last week our local paper proclaimed that 60,000 people were in our town square to listen to Palin's speech. Those of us who live here KNOW that it's impossible to fit 60,000 people in our town square....How many were here? Who knows? But it wasn't 60,000. Well, Charles, thanks for the good information you posted...for me and for others who may not know "The OTHER" side of the story. KK
10/13/2008 7:50:03 PM	How About Addressing the ACORN Problem
youngcharliemac Las Vegas, NV age: 26	Thanks, much appreciated comment.

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