| 10/21/2008 4:10:38 PM |
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1haoleboy
Hilo, HI
age: 50
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"""Would it be so farfetch to calibrate instruments to a known value? Biblical accounts? """
Mythology is not a known value!...Ideological superstition could only be compared to science by those ignorant of scientific method.
Your post was nonsense, much like the other posts of "believers" who pretend to know things outside of their area of expertise, organized, ignorant, superstitious nonsense.
Skunk, The six day Biblical creation, was described from the center of the universe; like you said.
The sun rising is also described from the center of the universe.
Alot of what you think of as science, is superstition.
Check out the video at the top of the page, the theory of relativity has been corrected.
Quantum physics has been debunked.
Try fast forwarding to 2:30
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| 10/21/2008 5:56:52 PM |
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lovesgod57
Waukegan, IL
age: 53
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"""Would it be so farfetch to calibrate instruments to a known value? Biblical accounts? """
Mythology is not a known value!...Ideological superstition could only be compared to science by those ignorant of scientific method.
Your post was nonsense, much like the other posts of "believers" who pretend to know things outside of their area of expertise, organized, ignorant, superstitious nonsense.
Like Microbiologist and Darwinism?
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| 10/21/2008 5:59:06 PM |
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seemonkey
Big Pine, CA
age: 47
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carbon dating has to work on a presumtion that the earths atmosphere has always been the same as it is now... for one thing..
the college education link I provided explains the need to have faith just like religion we don't know the past for a fact... so carbon dating is useless.
if all the radiation is depleted after 5,736 years... how are they dating things to 100K years or more?.
now sediment...
if you poke a hole in your gast tank I will agree there will be major loss.
if earth's water was evaporating or leaking off the planet for a billion years or more it would be gone by now or going down... right?
where is the new land coming from??? was chicken little right?
is terra firma raining down from the sky?..
if you say it is from expansion of the earth then aren't the sea floors also rising? or expanding?
more land equals more sediment flowing into the oceans... not the other way around.
there is a balance or straight line to this equation... the oceans and land mass have remained constant.. otherwise scientists would be predicting oceans being depleted... or land was squeezing out oceans... or vice versa.
the sediment either way should be at the bottom of the pit (ocean) and at a 7 mile depth by current flow rates X a couple billion years or so.
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| 10/22/2008 5:30:20 AM |
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stringsvrs
Syracuse, NY
age: 54
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 WOW! That is one excellent film
Thanks for posting that video, I really appreciate it. I had to watch that twice and will watch it a couple more times I think.
Peace and Love
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| 10/22/2008 9:58:08 AM |
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skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 91
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carbon dating has to work on a presumtion that the earths atmosphere has always been the same as it is now... for one thing..
the college education link I provided explains the need to have faith just like religion we don't know the past for a fact... so carbon dating is useless.
True, there is always room for improvement in knowing anything, but some things are known very well!..But to say that carbon dating is useless when used within it's limits and as a tool to verify other data is nonsense!
if all the radiation is depleted after 5,736 years... how are they dating things to 100K years or more?.
do you mean C14?...
now sediment...
if you poke a hole in your gast tank I will agree there will be major loss.
if earth's water was evaporating or leaking off the planet for a billion years or more it would be gone by now or going down... right?
where did you get this theory?
where is the new land coming from??? was chicken little right?
is terra firma raining down from the sky?..
if you say it is from expansion of the earth then aren't the sea floors also rising? or expanding?
I believe the comment that mountains are rising in spots to make some other point, though i am not sure what relevance it is....New land is continually being formed by subduction and volcanic activity.
more land equals more sediment flowing into the oceans... not the other way around.
subduction means that ocean floor is being shoved under another plate, so there may be an null effect there...a rift, such as the mid atlantic is spreading the two plates, so any sediment would have more room to disperse.
there is a balance or straight line to this equation... the oceans and land mass have remained constant..
I doubt this...what time frame are you suggesting that such a thing has held?
otherwise scientists would be predicting oceans being depleted... or land was squeezing out oceans... or vice versa.
it all depends upon the topography!...We could have more above sea level land if the oceans became very deep everywhere, or we could be completely covered in water if there were no topography!
OR
All oceans will disappear when sun does it's big thing!..in a few billion years!
the sediment either way should be at the bottom of the pit (ocean) and at a 7 mile depth by current flow rates X a couple billion years or so.
Doesn't "sediment" turn into rock? Then gets pushed up onto dry land or driven into earth's crust by subduction ?..Isn't it kinda like kneading bread in slow motion and on a really big scale?!
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| 10/22/2008 10:19:08 AM |
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oceans5555
Chevy Chase, MD
age: 67
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Good description of subduction, Skunk. Thanks.
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| 10/22/2008 10:28:59 AM |
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lovesgod57
Waukegan, IL
age: 53
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@ Skunk,
This chart shows the age of the ocean floor with red being the youngest to blue being the oldest.
Notice that the red areas are located at the riffs, signs of volcanic activity. There is no subduction. The Earth is expanding. The reason for the increased rising of mountain ranges is because of the "wrinkling" effect due to the Earth rounding itself and volcanic activity.
I believe what is causing the expansion is water is being introduced under the Earth's crust, being heated by the Earth's mantle, and applying outward pressure due to the steam generated. But that is just my theory....assumption....supposition....not proven to be fact.
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| 10/22/2008 11:38:39 AM |
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seemonkey
Big Pine, CA
age: 47
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yes C-14 what is left within an object is compared to the C12/13 which remains the same as when the object was formed.
the idea that sediment is spread out is silly. if you have two bottom dump trailers full of gravel.... you could fill a swimming pool... and it would barely be noticed in the bottom of a lake.
However it would still be two bottom dump trailers in amount.
no matter what form. yes there are sedimentary rocks and they are part of the equation.
the Earth is a Mass just like the bottom dumps or a constant in volume.
it may be puffed up... but it still has the same Mass... atomic weight.
if it were to become molten the puff would be gone... that is what I mean by a constant... also you point out it would take a anomoly to change the volume of water and land that makes up the earth.
the water to magma ratio if you prefer.
that has always been the same since the last hypothesis of disaster and until the next... I will accept that.
it seems there is agreement that there is no depletion of Land, Air, or Water on Earth. yet the compostion of Air has changed... as well as the Land area... yet the volume of material to work with is the same.
now if there were more plants in the past such as forests and vegetation worldwide grasses etc... that would change the amount of carbon within the Air.
the delusion and assumtion that the present day amounts are the same as the past is the mystery that is accepted as fact.
why has carbon dating at different labs yeilded different ages for the same object?
because it is based on a guesstimate. there is no way to know for a fact. unless you believe the atmosphere is the only thing that hasn't changed.
you alter ocean size, earth size, land mass size... but the atmosphere is your only constant??
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| 10/23/2008 3:28:30 PM |
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skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 91
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"""why has carbon dating at different labs yeilded different ages for the same object? """
has it?!!...sloppy lab work?!...contaminated sample?!
atmosphere has been about the same for quite some time....maybe that is part of the limit of carbon dating...
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| 10/23/2008 11:40:56 PM |
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seemonkey
Big Pine, CA
age: 47
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"""why has carbon dating at different labs yeilded different ages for the same object? """
has it?!!...sloppy lab work?!...contaminated sample?!
atmosphere has been about the same for quite some time....maybe that is part of the limit of carbon dating...
not sloppy work.
repeated and consistant ... even within the same lab.
the carbon in the atmosphere is obviously been altered lately... deforestation??
and modern factories...
the urban sprawl has likely contributed to global warming having all these rooftops and homes giving off heat from modern man keeping warm.
and the reflection from the new jungle... concrete and asphalt.
not to mention cloud seeding... ever notice it is warmer when we have cloud cover at night?
our government has continual flights overhead cloud seeding... or chem trails can be seen nationwide.
the modern atmosphere iis nothing like the past.
likely there was a lot less carbon dioxide... remember the vegetation gave off a toxin called oxygen ... this is a relatively new substance in earths atmosphere.
the mystery and unknowns that are taken as facts to prove the God in the bible exists... are totally unacceptable to you.
yet the unknown and mysteries of the past atmospheric conditions are swallowed whole?
I no understand selective logic.
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| 10/24/2008 5:26:14 AM |
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burnkitty
Fayetteville, AR
age: 35
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| 10/24/2008 6:50:51 AM |
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oceans5555
Chevy Chase, MD
age: 67
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Ah...The Matrix!
What a great movie.
What did you think of the two sequels?
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| 10/24/2008 7:02:10 AM |
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freethinker2112
Bentonville, AR
age: 43
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carbon dateing / evolution does not need faith like religion. Religion needs faith based on nothing. Carbon dateing has it's flaws, yes, but you are trying to make it sound like it's just a wild geuss. It is not. The young earth is baseless and laughable.
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| 10/24/2008 9:30:21 AM |
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burnkitty
Fayetteville, AR
age: 35
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Well Oceans, I thought the Matrix movies(including the sequels) all described what I veiwed as the Universal Equation to a tee. In the origonal, Cypher had the monitors running a green numeric construct that Neo,"One" with the letters rearranged, didn't quite understand. Cypher told him that after he got used to the pattern. "Blond, brenette, redhead..." he was able to understand some of it, however there was way too much information to decode the Matrix. This was to say that all things break down to a system of numbers, and although we cannot comprehend all of the equations as a whole, they still make up the entire of our universe's ongoing. The Marovengin would go on to describe the numbers as they applied to the human being. "Causality" as it were. That we are the result of both enviromental and biological factors. Every firing of the synapses, every chemical reaction the body produces, the way it reacts to various stimulas, all a result of these. Both he and Agent Smith would continually explain this to Neo in a variety of scenes in both sequels. The last fight with Agent Smith(Hugo Weaving) had to be some of the most well written script I'd ever encountered. "Why do you do it? Why get up? Why keep fighting? You must know it by now! You can't win! It's pointless to keep fighting! You believe you're fighting for something?! For more than your survival?! Would you mind telling me what it is?! Do you even know?! Is it peace?! Is it truth or love?! Illusions Mr. Anderson! Vagaries of perception! Temporary constructs of a feable human psyche trying desperately to hold on to a world that is without meaning or purpose! And all of it as illusionary as the Matrix itself, although... only a human intellect could invent something as incepid as "love"! Why, Mr. Anderson?! Why do you persist?!" The problem was that Smith was right, but that didn't get him anywhere. Being right didn't do Agent Smith any favors. Neo couldn't argue with his logic, so the only thing he could reply with was "Because I choose to." Then at the end, Neo would admit Smith was right. "It was inevitable." Brilliant peice of work that didn't get even half the credit it deserved as a whole. There were so many concepts of various religions thrown into the mix as well as philosophy, but most people wanted mostly action scenes with mass explosions. I myself like plot in my movies...
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| 10/24/2008 9:56:27 AM |
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1haoleboy
Hilo, HI
age: 50
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Here is on of our local scientists.
He ties in the numbers real good.
FAST FORWARD, AND START AT 2:30
Stringsvrs:
WOW! That is one excellent film
Thanks for posting that video, I really appreciate it. I had to watch that twice and will watch it a couple more times I think.
Peace and Love
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Has anybody but Strings seen this?
It has the math.
It corrects the theory of relativity.
It debunks quantum physics.
FAST FORWARD, AND START AT 2:30
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| 10/24/2008 12:06:42 PM |
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lees224
Cohoes, NY
age: 53
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i watched it too...interesting..lengthy..but interesting...
i believe scientists probably all learned from the First Scientist..
all is theory...nothing is absoulty proved...in science..
everything can be changed..in a second..depends on choice too..
science is study and application of theories..
life.. is application and study of science of man...
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| 10/24/2008 2:39:40 PM |
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skunkbreath
Saint James, MO
age: 91
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I can't see streaming vids, but if there is a link to a mpg download i will download the vid and watch it....
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| 10/24/2008 9:51:24 PM |
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lees224
Cohoes, NY
age: 53
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all numbers are important...
they must have a devine purpose too..
there in the bible..words and numbers..
yes there in every book..
numbers in combination tell a story too..
words and numbers...and images.. keep us running..walking..thinking.living..
always been..numbers..
how many days....no one knows..never will till there numbers up...
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| 10/24/2008 11:46:24 PM |
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lees224
Cohoes, NY
age: 53
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poly that video would fit here...too..
dont be sad the sun will come out tommorow...
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| 10/25/2008 2:56:53 AM |
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burnkitty
Fayetteville, AR
age: 35
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Pi was a good flick. It's been a cult classic for some time now. Even with the low quality black and white cameras that were purposely used, the well written plot excelled it to excellence. End of line.
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