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So, you know my history by one simple post? truely amazing , Kreskin could not do that! By the way, there is no veneer on my violent nature, it is there for all the world to see. Never claimed I was a good Christian or Christ like. Never once claimed I was no violent either.Curious where you read that from my short little post?



Thugs? Of courese they do not demand respect.

Christians, Muslims,aethiests who are good people , do not hurt anyine, yes they do demand respect.

I am not a very big fan of Ethnic cleansing for an example. It kind of brings out the very non Christ like violence in me. That, sport, is directly related to being nontolerant to others beliefs.

If this world is going to have a chance at reaching a state where these evil things do not happen, it is going to involve tolerance. Respect for peoples beliefs, whether you agree with them or not.

Just a fact, " Sport".



What Bible do you want to read from? Have a favourite do you?

All Bibles I have read, incuding some us " Christians " are not suppose to read, clearly shows that Christ had tolerance . He got in the middle of a stoning , was gracious to the woman at the well, broke bread with tax collectors a very hated thing back then, told parables where the hated Samaritans were the Heroe, can go on all night.

Does not matter "what Bible". They all speak of these things, incuding the Gnostic ones.

My hate and intolerance? What on earth would you ever know about that? All that has been said here by you, has been hate and intolerance.

I have many freinds, Muslim, Hindu, Christian , even have a Daughter who is an aethiest. Not one time have I said about their beliefs what you claim to speak about mine.

You want to talk about intolerance ? Talk to any Canadian Soldier who served in Bosnia. Those kids, mostly so called Christian , stood between Forces that wanted to do Ethnic Cleansing on Muslims. We lost a Muslim Soldier in Afghanistan, serving Canada.

That is love " Sport". Laying down your life for others with different beliefs.All faiths have shown that , "Gods greatest gift".

All you have shown by this is intolerance.

11/7/2008 4:01:46 PM	Real Christianity
monicasunshine Las Vegas, NV age: 23	I was reading a few of the threads and noticed that someone kept using the word Christian to describe everyone that goes to church. For those that don't know, a true Christian believes that Jesus is the Savior, died and rose again from the dead. Confesses it with their mouth, and asks forgiveness for their sins. Saying you are Christian and sitting in church on Sunday doesn't make you a Christian, anymore than sitting in my back yard, looking at the moon and claiming I'm an astronaut, actually makes me an astronaut. In most churches, those people are known as hypocrites. There are grown people that come to church just for show. There are also groups of people that sit in church, have never heard the word "salvation" and yet claim to be Christians. If you pray to anyone except God or Jesus, you are NOT a Christian. Praying to Mary is strictly forbidden in the Bible, that's why people usually separate Catholicism from Christianity when you talk to actual believers. Most of the atrocities that people attribute to "Christians" were actually committed by Catholics, not Protestants. Asking a man in a box to forgive your sins is also against the Bible, because according to the Bible, only God forgives sin. If any Catholics are offended, try reading your Bible instead of letting a priest or the pope tell you what it says. I'm proud to be a Christian, but the Catholics are responsible for the Crusades, not Christians. Next time you or someone you know talks about Christians, you should make the distinction between the groups. Protestants, Catholics, Mormons, Jehova Witnesses, all believe fundamentally different things. That's like calling a Buddhist, Hindu, Satanist, the same thing. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
11/7/2008 4:07:02 PM	Real Christianity
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 37	Next time you or someone you know talks about Christians, you should make the distinction between the groups. Protestants, Catholics, Mormons, Jehova Witnesses, all believe fundamentally different things. That's like calling a Buddhist, Hindu, Satanist, the same thing. First of all it isn't up to me to determine which sect of christianity a given person belongs to, lol... And secondly, it would not be the same thing at all. The religions you have listed are all separate, not sects of one. And if anything, satanism is closer to christianity than it it is to Hinduism or Buddhism ; ) [Edited 11/7/2008 4:07:29 PM ]
11/7/2008 4:18:17 PM	Real Christianity
monicasunshine Las Vegas, NV age: 23	those aren't sects of Christianity. those are all separate religions. the mainstream groups them together.
11/7/2008 4:46:53 PM	Real Christianity
stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 65	Next time you or someone you know talks about Christians, you should make the distinction between the groups. Protestants, Catholics, Mormons, Jehova Witnesses, all believe fundamentally different things. That's like calling a Buddhist, Hindu, Satanist, the same thing. You need to learn a bit about your belief before making such ridiculous statements, all who follow the one god of Abraham, are factions of the same cult. They may have different approaches, but it is still the same god and they all believe fundamentally in the same thing, yahweh the god of war. Most of the atrocities that people attribute to "Christians" were actually committed by Catholics, not Protestants. It's always a god laugh as to how every god believer thinks they have the right approach and every one else is wrong. Christianity is the child of the catholic church, all other christian churches are derived from catholicism and use the catholic bible, from which all other bibles are derived. Yep, god followers are so irresponsible they will try to pass blame to anyone they can find and deny even their origins. Making them pretty pathetic and extremely lacking in veracity and credibility.
11/7/2008 4:49:49 PM	Real Christianity
fairwarning Berryville, VA age: 41	monica i have 5$ whats that buy me
11/7/2008 5:03:21 PM	Real Christianity
1haoleboy Hilo, HI age: 50	Quote from monicasunshine: I was reading a few of the threads and noticed that someone kept using the word Christian to describe everyone that goes to church. For those that don't know, a true Christian believes that Jesus is the Savior, died and rose again from the dead. Confesses it with their mouth, and asks forgiveness for their sins. Saying you are Christian and sitting in church on Sunday doesn't make you a Christian, anymore than sitting in my back yard, looking at the moon and claiming I'm an astronaut, actually makes me an astronaut. In most churches, those people are known as hypocrites. There are grown people that come to church just for show. There are also groups of people that sit in church, have never heard the word "salvation" and yet claim to be Christians. If you pray to anyone except God or Jesus, you are NOT a Christian. Praying to Mary is strictly forbidden in the Bible, that's why people usually separate Catholicism from Christianity when you talk to actual believers. Most of the atrocities that people attribute to "Christians" were actually committed by Catholics, not Protestants. Asking a man in a box to forgive your sins is also against the Bible, because according to the Bible, only God forgives sin. If any Catholics are offended, try reading your Bible instead of letting a priest or the pope tell you what it says. I'm proud to be a Christian, but the Catholics are responsible for the Crusades, not Christians. Next time you or someone you know talks about Christians, you should make the distinction between the groups. Protestants, Catholics, Mormons, Jehova Witnesses, all believe fundamentally different things. That's like calling a Buddhist, Hindu, Satanist, the same thing. Right on! The disciples were called Christians. ACT 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. ACT 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian. 1PE 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf. They were kicked out of the church, by the guys that were called by another name. 3JO 1:9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. 10 Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church. Being called by another name is not spiritual, it is carnal. 1CO 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 1CO 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? 4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? 5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? 6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. 7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. These are all the same to me. Protestants, Catholics, Mormons, Jehova Witnesses, all believe fundamentally different things. That's like calling a Buddhist, Hindu, Satanist, the same thing. Not one of them designates themselves as a Christian first. ACT 11:26 ... And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. Sure, when you question some of them they say we are Christians too. But all along they are trying to get you away from The Bible that warns you about them. To be a Catholic, is to disobey JESUS. 1PE 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? MAT 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. I am not judging them, I am reading my Bible that warns me about doing what they do. JOH 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. I find it ironic that people want to blame Christians, for the Spanish Inquisition. When the Spanish Inquisition was perpetrated by Catholics, upon Christians. I find it ironic that people want to talk about the hypocrisy of Christians, for not doing what the Bible says. But miss the point that The Bible, defines a Christian. [Edited 11/7/2008 5:04:51 PM ]
11/7/2008 5:39:54 PM	Real Christianity
1haoleboy Hilo, HI age: 50	Quote from fairwarning: monica i have 5$ whats that buy me Honestly, if you think $5 shows a good income, your going to need an independent woman. Fairwarning: looking for an honest woman that is independant. i will not be jumping into anything.i have 1 child a 11 yr old boy .I like spending time with family and friends.Love the outdoors.I do work full time my occupation is not on the list.My income is good no i will not tell because i want to be loved for me not money.The reason i do not post a picture is due to the a holes that like to high jack peoples pictures. + Who would want to jack your picture, when you talk like that? I would not want to be mistaken for you. You say you want to "be loved for me". Ask your mother what you can get for $5, maybe she will love you.
11/7/2008 6:36:11 PM	Real Christianity
fairwarning Berryville, VA age: 41
11/7/2008 6:56:37 PM	Real Christianity
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 37	monicasunshine: those aren't sects of Christianity. those are all separate religions. the mainstream groups them together. Oh really? Because this is what YOU yourself stated in your original post: Next time you or someone you know talks about Christians, you should make the distinction between the groups. Protestants, Catholics, Mormons, Jehova Witnesses, all believe fundamentally different things. You seem a little confused...
11/7/2008 7:22:25 PM	Real Christianity
rockondon Prince George, BC age: 37	Protestants, Catholics, Mormons, Jehova Witnesses, all believe fundamentally different things. Such as Protestants believe in Jesus. Catholics believe in Jesus. Mormons believe in Jesus. Jehovah Witnesses believe in Jesus. ...radically different, really.
11/7/2008 7:37:46 PM	Real Christianity
monicasunshine Las Vegas, NV age: 23	Quote from stormbay: It's always a god laugh as to how every god believer thinks they have the right approach and every one else is wrong. Christianity is the child of the catholic church, all other christian churches are derived from catholicism and use the catholic bible, from which all other bibles are derived. actually catholicism was built on judaism. it wasn't the beginning of Christianity or the beginning of the bible. maybe you should learn before speaking? Yep, god followers are so irresponsible they will try to pass blame to anyone they can find and deny even their origins. Making them pretty pathetic and extremely lacking in veracity and credibility. i'm not catholic, i don't pray to mary. i don't ask men for forgiveness, nor do i use rosaries, light candles, etc... catholicism and christianity are 2 different religions.
11/7/2008 7:42:22 PM	Real Christianity
monicasunshine Las Vegas, NV age: 23	Quote from rockondon: Such as Protestants believe in Jesus. Catholics believe in Jesus. Mormons believe in Jesus. Jehovah Witnesses believe in Jesus. ...radically different, really. No, Protestants believe that Jesus died for our sins, was the son of God, and the savior of mankind. Catholics believe in confessing your sings before man, praying to Mary (forbidden by the Bible), and chanting. You don't have to be saved. Mormons believe in all sorts of crazy stuff, Jesus is just one part. They also believe they become gods and create their own universe after they die. Based on religion and works, not Jesus. Jehovah Witnesses believe only 144,000 will be saved, even though the Bible clearly teaches something different, and the 144,000 specifically names the Hebrew tribes. Not based on Jesus. yes, all different beliefs.
11/7/2008 7:44:44 PM	Real Christianity
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 37	Quote from monicasunshine to Storm: actually catholicism was built on judaism. it wasn't the beginning of Christianity or the beginning of the bible. maybe you should learn before speaking? Oh wow.... [Edited 11/7/2008 7:45:17 PM ]
11/7/2008 9:09:21 PM	Real Christianity
stanizz Fort Washington, MD age: 55	to the guy that said mormaoms beleave in jesus. They dont, they beleave a man went into the mountains and was contacted by a god and came down and shared his views. The mormon faith has been working very hard for the last 20 years to move away from the old principles that were taught for a 100 years.Mormons have absolutely nothing to do with christianity. And yes the catholics beleave in jesus they just leave out HUGE parts of the bible to prop up their vision of christianity. Every faith can be picked apart by one fact or another and most rely on their interpretation of the bible to support their views. And not all religions of the biblical faith are christians ever hear of the jewish community?
11/7/2008 9:14:12 PM	Real Christianity
stanizz Fort Washington, MD age: 55	And just where in the name of heck did you hear that the catholic church based its faith on judism? Give me 1 sign of proof other than the jews use the first 5 books of the bible. And the catholics have edited those the catholic faith was started during the roman occupation of the known world at that time. It was nudged into a comfortable format to fit whatever king was in control at that time.
11/8/2008 1:38:12 AM	Real Christianity
1haoleboy Hilo, HI age: 50	Quote from stanizz: And just where in the name of heck did you hear that the catholic church based its faith on judism? Give me 1 sign of proof other than the jews use the first 5 books of the bible. And the catholics have edited those the catholic faith was started during the roman occupation of the known world at that time. It was nudged into a comfortable format to fit whatever king was in control at that time. The Catholic Church, is like Judisim in the traditions that they both share from Babylon. MAT 23:4 For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. 5 But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, 6 And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. 10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ. 11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant. 12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted. 13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. 14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. 15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. 16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor! 17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold? 18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty. 19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift? 20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon. 21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein. 22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon. 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. 24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. 25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. 26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. 27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity. 29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, 30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. 31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. 32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? 34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. 36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. 37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. The Catholics edited alot of versions. They were not able to edit, the King James, The Biblia Antigua, or the Textus Receptus. That is what the Spanish Inquisition was about. THE JESUIT OATH [Edited 11/8/2008 2:00:58 AM ]
11/8/2008 2:12:03 AM	Real Christianity
1haoleboy Hilo, HI age: 50	Judah and Sun Worship. EZE 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD'S house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. EZE 8:17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose. Catholics And Sun Worship [Edited 11/8/2008 2:14:20 AM ]
11/8/2008 2:44:36 AM	Real Christianity
1haoleboy Hilo, HI age: 50	+ Israel worshipping Moloch, in The Bible. ACT 7:42 Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? 43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon. The Catholic Church worshipping Moloch today. Just some more ways that Catholicisim is based on Judaisim, and not Christianity. [Edited 11/8/2008 2:48:58 AM ]
11/8/2008 9:57:09 AM	Real Christianity
dunrich Brantford, ON age: 56	There is nothing wrong with going to Church. How ever, church is not a requirement to be a Christian. In fact at times, it can be a form of idolatry, when for example people put more emphsis on the Church, rituals than they do the teachings of Christ. In Bruxy Caveys book "The End Of Religion" he likens it to worshipping the glass rather than the living water inside it, as he described him self as. Prior to Christ, the law had to be followed. Sacrifices had to be made the right way, by Priests who would ensure no "defilment" occurred. This was done at a Temple, by Rabbis or Priests. When Christ spilt his blood, he in effect became the Temple, going to one now was not a requirement. No Rabbis , priests were needed now to ensure the sacrifice was done properly, as Christ was the sacrifice! We could approach him directly, even have the Holy Spirt to concede with God for us. Because we were now reconciled to God once again. Real Christianity? Church has little to do with that, other than a place to meet other Christians and possibly learn about God.
11/8/2008 10:58:56 AM	Real Christianity
skunkbreath Saint James, MO age: 91	I have often heard of this "mythical real christian", but have yet to document the actual sighting of one!...The frauds that come forward to claim that they are the "true christian" may deceive themselves and others that are similarly delusional, but soon prove themselves to a discerning mind to be just another pathetic, fearful creature posturing as a coping mechanism and caught up in evil much as everyone else without conscience is. But, if you can document one of these "mythological real christians", please post such evidence in the "Big Foot" site!!!
11/8/2008 11:59:30 AM	Real Christianity
dunrich Brantford, ON age: 56	true christian" may deceive themselves and others that are similarly delusional, but soon prove themselves to a discerning mind to be just another pathetic, fearful creature posturing as a coping mechanism and caught up in evil much as everyone else without conscience is. Sounds like you are describing all man kind there to some degree or another. How ever, I do not think all who believe are 'delusional, pathtic , fearful, or evil". Whether I agree with what ever they believe or disagree. Must be nice to be able to view most of your fellow nehibours with such scorn, means you are at the top of the food chain eh? All beliefs have their imperfect members, for all men are imperfect. That does not make them anything likewhat is described by this statement, do not care if they are Christian , Muslim, Hindu or aethiest ! The one thing we all have in common, is being imperfect, another is there are attributes in most of all the adherants to these beliefs that demand some basic respect. You know it is attitudes like this one , that caused things like the Crusades, numerous holocausts, and probably half the problems we have now days. What ever happened to common respect? Even to those you might disagree with on belief? Christ had that quality, and many of his followers, followers of other beliefs have it as well.
11/8/2008 12:34:33 PM	Real Christianity
skunkbreath Saint James, MO age: 91	dun,""You know it is attitudes like this one , that caused things like the Crusades, numerous holocausts, and probably half the problems we have now days."" nonsense!...your ignorance of history, and presumptuous, delusional accusations prove my point...your disingenuous posing as tolerant is a thin veneer over your violent nature implied by bringing up christian violence of the crusades, and holocausts . ""demand respect""" when it comes to christian thugs, they do demand respect, but they deserve none! ""christ had that quality"" what bible are you reading??!!..or does your delusion filter out the evil and hate within the bible, being such a loving person??!!...or is it that you need to pretend love and tolerance so as not to face your own hate and intolerance? ""top of food chain"" me?...hardly...but it was a pretty pathetic attempt at demeaning me personally...try again, sport!
11/8/2008 12:54:45 PM	Real Christianity
tohyup York, ON age: 48	Christianity is a real hoax started by a man who thought primitive thinking . His name was Jesus .
11/8/2008 1:10:37 PM	Real Christianity
curiousone2 Springfield, IL age: 44	a " REal" Christian?? and a " real " christian doew what exactly??? they believe Jesus is the savior and died for our sins??? I think you will find, that is a PAuline Version of " christianity, and your view of Christianity is NArrow. not your fault, I am sure you were saised in a PAuline Christian church. and it isn't very likely that anyone PAULINE would worry about a simple thing like the truth or Logic, in order to believe as the PAULINE tradition dictates, you committ heresey, to disagree with them. ever wonder why, the story of this " GOD" leaves out the majority of his life??? It is because, PAUL, took on the belief that the worth in Jesus message was his death. THAT is Not what Jesus taught. in fact, we know that is NOT true because Jesus himself prayed that the cup be taken from him in the garden of gethsemane, and add to that the fact that th disciples didn't Know he was a God, since it isn't Likely that a God or a sacrificial lamb would need another to pray FOR them, and yet 3 times in the garden he asked these disciples, that are supposedly in the presence of GOD to pray with him and for him, and they DON"T, not only do they not pray, they fall asleep. 3 times. The Gnostics would say a true Christian is One that searches for the truth through the message of Jesus and the prophets, and LOGIC. and they are older than PAUl.
11/8/2008 1:15:36 PM	Real Christianity
curiousone2 Springfield, IL age: 44	Quote from tohyup: Christianity is a real hoax started by a man who thought primitive thinking . His name was Jesus . Christianity was NOT created by jesus. it was started BY followers of jesus, and more specifically as we know it, By the pharisee christian Killer Paul. I assure you Jesus had Nothing to do with the abomination that is th Christian church as we know it. Do Unto others as you would have them do unto you. THAT is Jesus, and he says it fulfills both theLAws and the Prophets. so, when we act right, and treat others the way we want to be treated, we will be acting as GOD would have us act. and that is redemption, when we are in a Physical form, and we think Like GOD. that is Our evolutionary goal. jesus caled it the generation of the son of adam. it is when we become capable of wielding the power that God Intended us to have when we were created, it is the full circle moment of OUR creation.
11/8/2008 3:04:12 PM	Real Christianity
skunkbreath Saint James, MO age: 91	-""""-when we become capable of wielding the power that God Intended us to have when we were created, it is the full circle moment of OUR creation.-""""' jewelz!, is that you in drag??!!..
11/8/2008 6:35:21 PM	Real Christianity
curiousone2 Springfield, IL age: 44	jewelz!, is that you in drag??!!.. LMaO, HI skunk, No It is NOT! But if he said it, he is rght,lol that is redemption, coming back to the right way of thinking, what works best according to the laws of nature. do unto others as you would have them do unto you, sounds fun, huh???
11/9/2008 12:41:27 AM	Real Christianity
dunrich Brantford, ON age: 56	'quote]nonsense!...your ignorance of history, and presumptuous, delusional accusations prove my point...your disingenuous posing as tolerant is a thin veneer over your violent nature implied by bringing up christian violence of the crusades, and holocausts .
11/9/2008 9:26:47 AM	Real Christianity
1r2r3r4r Minneapolis, MN age: 59	Real Christianity as I understand it in God's Word is a reality, an ongoing relationship with God, NOT a religion. People have their own agenda, picking and choosing what they want to hear rather than letting the Bible do the ministering and interpretation. They’d rather do it their own way. There’s a lot of "division" going on but not a lot of love. MATTHEW 22:37-40 - "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets." I’m not really interested in the denominational or "divisional" label a person may wear just as long as they're real Christians, the proof of which can be seen by the lives they lead. Just show me the fruit a person's tree produces and I will tell you if they're a real Christian or not. A tree is identified by the fruit it bears. Do they have Christ in their lives or do they not? Do they follow Christ or do they follow the enemy? He said many would be deceived and that includes many people who would call themselves "Christians". God didn't tell us to listen to man. He told us to listen to Him! He gave us a love letter called the Bible, Don't choose man's book, choose God's book! God bless you all in your search
11/9/2008 10:02:56 AM	Real Christianity
stringsvrs Syracuse, NY age: 54	Christianities Religious finest give (good behavioral living) example? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081109/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_brawling_monks Monks brawl at Christian holy site in Jerusalem By MATTI FRIEDMAN, Associated Press Writer Matti Friedman, Associated Press Writer – 47 mins ago November 09. 2008 Israeli police scuffle with an Armenian monk next to the site traditionally AP – Israeli police scuffle with an Armenian monk next to the site traditionally believed to be the tomb of JERUSALEM – Israeli police rushed into one of Christianity's holiest churches Sunday and arrested two clergyman after an argument between monks erupted into a brawl next to the site of Jesus' tomb. The clash between Armenian and Greek Orthodox monks broke out in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, revered as the site of Jesus' crucifixion, burial and resurrection. The brawling began during a procession of Armenian clergymen commemorating the 4th-century discovery of the cross believed to have been used to crucify Jesus. The Greeks objected to the march without one of their monks present, fearing that otherwise, the procession would subvert their own claim to the Edicule — the ancient structure built on what is believed to be the tomb of Jesus — and give the Armenians a claim to the site. The Armenians refused, and when they tried to march the Greek Orthodox monks blocked their way, sparking the brawl. Police spokesman Micky Rosenfeld said police were forced to intervene after fighting was reported. They arrested two monks, one from each side, he said. A bearded Armenian monk in a red-and-pink robe and a black-clad Greek Orthodox monk with a bloody gash on his forehead were both taken away in handcuffs after scuffling with dozens of riot police. Six Christian sects divide control of the ancient church. They regularly fight over turf and influence, and Israeli police are occasionally forced to intervene. "We were keeping resistance so that the procession could not pass through ... and establish a right that they don't have," said a young Greek Orthodox monk with a cut next to his left eye. The monk, who gave his name as Serafim, said he sustained the wound when an Armenian punched him from behind and broke his glasses. Father Pakrat of the Armenian Patriarchate said the Greek demand was "against the status quo arrangement and against the internal arrangement of the Holy Sepulcher." He said the Greeks attacked first. Archbishop Aristarchos, the chief secretary of the Greek Orthodox patriarchate, denied his monks initiated the violence. After the brawl, the church was crowded with Israeli riot police holding assault rifles, standing beside Golgotha, where Jesus is believed to have been crucified, and the long smooth stone marking the place where tradition holds his body was laid out. The feud is only one of a bewildering array of rivalries among churchmen in the Holy Sepulcher. The Israeli government has long wanted to build a fire exit in the church, which regularly fills with thousands of pilgrims and has only one main door, but the sects cannot agree where the exit will be built. A ladder placed on a ledge over the entrance sometime in the 19th century has remained there ever since because of a dispute over who has the authority to take it down. More recently, a spat between Ethiopian and Coptic Christians is delaying badly needed renovations to a rooftop monastery that engineers say could collapse.
11/9/2008 10:30:17 AM	Real Christianity
julietromeo Paradise Inn, WA age: 61	the rub is, none of you christian folk seem to be able to agree on what a christian is. can't you people just appoint yourselves a "supreme court" like we have in the US? it's a supreme being that you worship is it not? why not a panel of nine who can finally interpret the bible once and for all so you'll finally know who you are if you think you are a christian. hell, many of you already have the robes. they don't necessarily have to be black you know. [Edited 11/9/2008 10:31:23 AM ]
11/9/2008 10:40:00 AM	Real Christianity
cimarroncowgirl Felt, OK age: 57	It's always a god laugh as to how every god believer thinks they have the right approach and every one else is wrong. Christianity is the child of the catholic church, all other christian churches are derived from catholicism and use the catholic bible, from which all other bibles are derived. Yep, god followers are so irresponsible they will try to pass blame to anyone they can find and deny even their origins. Making them pretty pathetic and extremely lacking in veracity and credibility. Sorry- this is grossly incorrect. You need to actually know something about history to present yourself as an authority on the origin of Christianity. You obviously don't qualify. There are good Christians in the Catholic church, people who believe in Jesus just as Christianity is defined in this thread, others in that church are as much hypocrites as any of the backsliding protestants. Most Catholics that I am acquainted with know little about their church's history and less about saints. As for prayers of intercession, I think a true Christian can ask anyone to pray for them, whether that person is alive or dead- as in "Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us..."
11/9/2008 10:44:53 AM	Real Christianity
cuteyonduty Deland, FL age: 61	to Shakti: WRONG>>>again, very, very wrong. Satanism is the antithesis of Christianity but certainly the antithesis of knowing Christ and having a relationship with him. Satanists worship Lucifer who is the father of lies. He is a defeated bag of shit who got his a** kicked out of Heaven as the chief minstrel who fancied himself to be God...sound familiar? All Satan can do is blow smoke...no pun intended and deceive people into believing his lies. His power is dictated by God. God can shut his a** down at any given time. But He doesn't because the time for the end is near, just not now. To the young lady who is proud of her piercings and her ass...(nothing wrong with that) RELIGIONS ^ CHRISTIANITY ^ DENOMINATIONS True faith which is the true "church" and that is no organized religion or denomination. The real followers of Christ had to meet in the catacombs and had to hide out from those who would persecute them. They shared everything they had with each other and met as frequently as they could. When the hard times come again, it won't matter what faction you find yourself in. What will matter is whether or not you know Jesus. He already knows you.
11/9/2008 11:53:57 AM	Real Christianity
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 37	Dunrich: If this world is going to have a chance at reaching a state where these evil things do not happen, it is going to involve tolerance. Respect for peoples beliefs, whether you agree with them or not. Awesome! Totally agreed : ) Cuteyondutey: to Shakti: WRONG>>>again, very, very wrong. Satanism is the antithesis of Christianity but certainly the antithesis of knowing Christ and having a relationship with him. Satanists worship Lucifer who is the father of lies. He is a defeated bag of shit who got his a** kicked out of Heaven as the chief minstrel who fancied himself to be God...sound familiar? All Satan can do is blow smoke...no pun intended and deceive people into believing his lies. His power is dictated by God. God can shut his a** down at any given time. But He doesn't because the time for the end is near, just not now. My point was that Satanism has more in common with christianity then it does Buddhism or Hindusim as there is no such concept within the latter two religions. Sorry that escaped your astute comprehension. [Edited 11/9/2008 12:05:57 PM ]
11/9/2008 12:08:10 PM	Real Christianity
dunrich Brantford, ON age: 56	Thanks Shakti. It was when I was reading about Pluralism that I really started to think about this a lot. By the way, it was a post you did on another Forum that bright that concept to my attention, so thanks for that as well!
11/9/2008 12:14:20 PM	Real Christianity
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 37	^^^ When I learned about pluralism in my sociology of religion class, it was one of the things that really stuck out to me, inspired me.. I did some research and learned that I am not alone, glad it touched something positive in you too : )
11/9/2008 12:48:23 PM	Real Christianity
1haoleboy Hilo, HI age: 50	+ If there were a true Christian on earth, they would not tell you. JOH 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him. Even the HOLY GHOST does not speak about himself. JOH 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. THE HOLY GHOST glorifies JESUS. JOH 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. A Christian is a disciple of Christ. ACT 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. A Christian believes that The Bible is THE WORD OF GOD. And, tries to follow what JESUS says. It might help to use some process of elimination to define a Christian. Since, every Christian knows that there are lines they cannot cross (if they don't they should). Because, WHAT REALLY MATTERS IS WHAT GOD SAYS. JOH 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. If JESUS does not call you a Christian, you are not one. A Christian does not kill. MAT 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. We are not even supposed to hate. 1JO 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him. What about the people that kill in JESUS name? Are they Christians? NO. JESUS says this about them... JOH 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me. MAT 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. JOH 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. MAT 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. MAT 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. MAR 13:6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. LUK 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. LUK 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. LUK 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. LUK 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them. 1JO 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
11/9/2008 1:25:45 PM	Real Christianity
stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 65	Sorry- this is grossly incorrect. You need to actually know something about history to present yourself as an authority on the origin of Christianity. You obviously don't qualify. I suppose you'd know much more about the history of christianity and the yahweh cult than a priest who holds a Phd in cultural anthropology with a thesis in religious cultural history, so I'm willing to let you describe where I am grossly incorrect, if you can.
11/9/2008 2:02:49 PM	Real Christianity
skunkbreath Saint James, MO age: 91	dun, well sport, your lame, mocking attempts fail miserable again... i don't have time to educate you about the bible; you see what you want to see or have been told is there.... to address each of you illogical points would just bring on other presumptive illogical nonsense from you....the tangents you have run off onto to prove some delusion you hold are irrelevant..your fallacious hasty conclusions are half truths, at best....i just don't have the time to deal with your ignorance, hate and intolerance at this time...maybe later. thank you for admitting that you are violent/hateful...i guess your pretense to tolerance/non-violence wasn't a veneer, just not clearly explained... and as for the simple minded lesson on love, i have teachers who are not delusional thugs that i prefer to listen to... so, what other presumptive, illogical nonsense have you?
11/9/2008 2:46:19 PM	Real Christianity
chrisg_23 Beaverton, OR age: 24	HONESTLY PEOPLE!! do you thing Our lord and savior Jesus Christ! Our God! wants you guys to be arguing about religion? You see whats wrong with todays age? people are alwya's fighting especially the followers of Christ our lord! we need to be like brothers and sisters and praying for eachother especially the way things are going in this world Today. The times near and everythings falling into place just as the bible predicts..but you guys wanna sit here and fight among yourselves. I pray everyone here at least gets some sense in what im trying to say. If someone misquotes you or is bashing you..you bash back which isn't what god wants.
11/9/2008 2:58:23 PM	Real Christianity
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 37	^^ Awww, that was cute
11/9/2008 3:02:24 PM	Real Christianity
wearp1 Steinbach, MB age: 47	Quote from chrisg_23: HONESTLY PEOPLE!! do you thing Our lord and savior Jesus Christ! Our God! wants you guys to be arguing about religion? You see whats wrong with todays age? people are alwya's fighting especially the followers of Christ our lord! we need to be like brothers and sisters and praying for eachother especially the way things are going in this world Today. The times near and everythings falling into place just as the bible predicts..but you guys wanna sit here and fight among yourselves. I pray everyone here at least gets some sense in what im trying to say. If someone misquotes you or is bashing you..you bash back which isn't what god wants. [/quote I agree with what you are saying here.
11/9/2008 3:03:39 PM	Real Christianity
stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 65	HONESTLY PEOPLE!! do you thing Our lord and savior Jesus Christ! Our God! wants you guys to be arguing about religion? You see whats wrong with todays age? people are alwya's fighting especially the followers of Christ our lord! we need to be like brothers and sisters and praying for eachother especially the way things are going in this world That's the way it's always been throughout the history of christianity, arguing fighting and killing. It will never change because it can't, as it relies upon lies and suppression of truth to survive and to do that, you have violently argue to the death about who's right. Sadly none of you are, so your god history consists of nothing but violence and can never be any other way.
11/9/2008 3:12:08 PM	Real Christianity
stringsvrs Syracuse, NY age: 54	stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 63 online now! Sorry- this is grossly incorrect. You need to actually know something about history to present yourself as an authority on the origin of Christianity. You obviously don't qualify. I suppose you'd know much more about the history of christianity and the yahweh cult than a priest who holds a Phd in cultural anthropology with a thesis in religious cultural history, so I'm willing to let you describe where I am grossly incorrect, if you can. Brother Storm, your education does not mean that you know all that there is to know. There is no feasible way that any one person is able to know all that there is to know. There just is not enough time in ones life to read and remember all this information Also, for a brother who despises the church, religion and the deluded Christian's, you sure love to remind everyone that you were a priest my brother. Did you walk away or not? Are you yet a priest still although you do not give the sacraments? Sounds a bit hypocritical to me Peace and Love
11/9/2008 3:57:42 PM	Real Christianity
stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 65	Brother Storm, your education does not mean that you know all that there is to know. There is no feasible way that any one person is able to know all that there is to know. There just is not enough time in ones life to read and remember all this information Only the religious state they know all, But i do know about the history of the catholic an christian churches. I can't help it if by releasing myself from the constraints of ideological ignorance, my desire to learn matured and still is, whilst yours is stuck locked in fear and doubt.. As for the priest bit, I realise you have no understand of an ordained person leaving the church, that's because of your inability to take control of your own life. I remind people of my priestly past, so they are aware I may know a bit more than they think. I have no communication with the church except when I work with religious people, they are aware of my status. The hypocrisy is of your own making and design, and not a reality.
11/9/2008 4:21:57 PM	Real Christianity
d_voted Winnipeg, MB age: 58	i'm not catholic, i don't pray to mary. i don't ask men for forgiveness, nor do i use rosaries, light candles, etc... catholicism and christianity are 2 different religions. Dear mocasunshine, Catholics do not pray to Mary. The prayer - the 'Hail Mary' - is a request for intercessory prayer. It is no different than asking someone you know to pray for you. Christ said to John, when on the cross - 'this is your mother'. It IS scriptural that we are brothers and sisters of Christ and co-heirs and therefore we can speak to Mary as if she were our mother. Hail Mary - hail was a term used to say hello full of grace the Lord is with you. Blessed are you and blessed is the fruit of your womb. (This was from the scriptures when Elizabeth met Mary and John the Baptist leapt in her womb. It was an acknowledgement of the fact that Mary was carrying the Christ) Holy Mary, mother of God pray for us sinners, now and at the time of our death. Amen. (The request for prayer from someone whom many think is dead is countered in the scriptures where Jesus is on the mountain (transfiguration) and is seen in brilliant white with Moses and Elija. The apostles suggested they build three alters. From this the Catholics have determined that when one is acceptable to God they will be in HIS presence and therefore are requested to pray for us to the Lord our God through Jesus.) In short the prayer is not TO Mary but Asking Mary to put in a good word for us TO Jesus. Your second complaint - asking men for forgiveness. The priest has, as one of his duties, to receive confession from his parishoners. This is an important feature and a sacrament in the Catholic church. Moses asked God's forgivenss on numerous occassions on behalf of the Hebrew nation. Christ forgave sins and also told the apostles that they would do even greater things than He did. He said that He was sending the Advocate or Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost to some) and that they would be empowered beyond their own abilities. The confession is and has been (even in secular society) accepted as off limits even in the courts of law. The 'seal of confession' means that what is shared inside the boundaries of a confession is not going to be released to anyone else. This protects the person who is confiding in the priest and allows him/her to be completely honest without fear of reprisal, embarassment or shame. It also allows the priest to discuss the nature and form of restitution if necessary and allows the individual to leave the confessional without being burdened with the crippling effects of guilt and shame. Rosaries and candles are simply tools to help one focus in prayer. They are physical elements that help one to hold their attention and free them from distractions in prayer. They have no miraculous powers and are not deemed to have any mystical or supernatural magic. In another post you said something about 'chanting'. I have no idea what that refers to except in some monastic circles there may be some musical elements that are akin to chanting. In conclusion I might add that I am a devout Christian who has chosen to worship under the banner of Roman Catholocism. I go to other churches all the time. In fact I usually go to a Ukrainian Mass at 9:00 (don't understand a word of the Mass itself but the readings and homily (priest's message) is done in English). At 11:00 I go to a Black Baptist church and the pastor is from India. He is a knowledgeable man who is sincere about leading his flock in the way of the Lord and he does his homework very thoroughly when it comes to interpreting or explaining the scriptures. I came originally from a Jewish home with a Christian mother who had little authority in the home. My daughters go to a protestant church because at 14 and 16 they don't want to be told how or where to worship. I support their decision and am happy that they are being spiritually fed. You have been misled about some of the teachings and practices of the Catholic church and I would advise you to seek the guidance of the Holy Spirit - or Holy Ghost - and allow HIM to guide you. It is preferable to listening to me or anyone else. God bless . PS. locate a half dozen different Bibles and turn them all to the same passage - Say Romans 8 or 1Cor. 12 or wherever. You will find that they are not different in substance they are different is form. Some people with a limited reading skill would find the Good News the proper choice. Academics would find the NIV or Jerusalem bible or if you prefer the 'odd' kind of language because it is significantly different from what you use day to day and helps you get 'in the proper frame of mind' use the King James. It is more a matter of taste or preference but not different in the message. Don't listen to the morons who try to tear down everything sacred. [Edited 11/9/2008 4:27:05 PM ]
11/9/2008 4:22:25 PM	Real Christianity
stringsvrs Syracuse, NY age: 54	Brother Storm stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 63 stringsvrs: Brother Storm, your education does not mean that you know all that there is to know. There is no feasible way that any one person is able to know all that there is to know. There just is not enough time in ones life to read and remember all this information Only the religious state they know all, But i do know about the history of the catholic an christian churches. I can't help it if by releasing myself from the constraints of ideological ignorance, my desire to learn matured and still is, whilst yours is stuck locked in fear and doubt.. As for the priest bit, I realise you have no understand of an ordained person leaving the church, that's because of your inability to take control of your own life. I remind people of my priestly past, so they are aware I may know a bit more than they think. I have no communication with the church except when I work with religious people, they are aware of my status. The hypocrisy is of your own making and design, and not a reality. Knowing it all is not my claim brother, rather your inferring in your previous post. All you know about the history of the Catholic and Christian churches are what you read about; and what you read about is the facts from one groups perspective. Kind of like the Winner's Truth is fact. Except in this pre-text it is the loser Truth as fact. An individuals capacity to learn is not hindered just because they participate within the confines of a church or a prison cell. All what is needed to learn is not necessary from written text. I do acknowledge my personal hypocrisy and this is why too that I am able to identify with your, which you deny I yet remain a non-religious (yet spiritual) person participating within the sectors of the church. Is that not where people need to be liberated from? Those who need liberation are not all outside the confines of the symbolic structure..... Peace and Love
11/9/2008 11:54:21 PM	Real Christianity
1haoleboy Hilo, HI age: 50	+ If you are praying, and you are asking somebody to,......................... Do anything, you are praying to them. D_voted: In short the prayer is not TO Mary but Asking Mary to... D_voted: PS. locate a half dozen different Bibles and turn them all to the same passage - Say Romans 8 or 1Cor. 12 or wherever. You will find that they are not different in substance they are different is form. Some people with a limited reading skill would find the Good News the proper choice. Academics would find the NIV or Jerusalem bible or if you prefer the 'odd' kind of language because it is significantly different from what you use day to day and helps you get 'in the proper frame of mind' use the King James. It is more a matter of taste or preference but not different in the message. + I am pretty sure that all those versions of The Bible say, not to call any man on earth, Father. In fact, we're not even supposed to call them father. MAT 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. [Edited 11/10/2008 12:00:41 AM ]
11/10/2008 4:41:49 AM	Real Christianity
chrisg_23 Beaverton, OR age: 24	Quote from stormbay: HONESTLY PEOPLE!! do you thing Our lord and savior Jesus Christ! Our God! wants you guys to be arguing about religion? You see whats wrong with todays age? people are alwya's fighting especially the followers of Christ our lord! we need to be like brothers and sisters and praying for eachother especially the way things are going in this world That's the way it's always been throughout the history of christianity, arguing fighting and killing. It will never change because it can't, as it relies upon lies and suppression of truth to survive and to do that, you have violently argue to the death about who's right. Sadly none of you are, so your god history consists of nothing but violence and can never be any other way. YES!but christianity is not built on lies so why feed more fuel to the FIRE(eternity) Put an end to it. Change history God calls us to be fishers of men,forgiving,loving, when someone bashes you or your beliefs simply be like..hey man/women its Ok I love you and God Bless you, let them sit in there own hatred, Im not saying give up on them if you see someones interested and you might be able to help them see the Truth than TEACH! Plant the seed! But if its someone who just doenst care and you know theres nothing you can do..You must pray for them and leave it in Gods Hands because God Will Judge Those Accordingly. Hate is easy;but love takes courage. "Do not enter the path of the wicked, and do not walk in the way of evil. Avoid it, do not travel on it; turn away from it and pass on. For they do not sleep unless they have done evil; and their sleep is taken away unless they make someone fall. For they eat the bread of wickedness, and drink the wine of violence. But the path of the just is like the shining sun, that shines ever brighter unto the perfect day. Prov 5:14-18 God Bless -Chris-
11/10/2008 8:15:38 AM	Real Christianity
dana1956 New Braunfels, TX age: 53	Quote from stringsvrs: stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 63 online now! Sorry- this is grossly incorrect. You need to actually know something about history to present yourself as an authority on the origin of Christianity. You obviously don't qualify. I suppose you'd know much more about the history of christianity and the yahweh cult than a priest who holds a Phd in cultural anthropology with a thesis in religious cultural history, so I'm willing to let you describe where I am grossly incorrect, if you can. Brother Storm, your education does not mean that you know all that there is to know. There is no feasible way that any one person is able to know all that there is to know. There just is not enough time in ones life to read and remember all this information Also, for a brother who despises the church, religion and the deluded Christian's, you sure love to remind everyone that you were a priest my brother. Did you walk away or not? Are you yet a priest still although you do not give the sacraments? Sounds a bit hypocritical to me Peace and Love reminds me of the scripture of when the demon was cast out(cleansing by God) and when the demon returned and saw the house was clean and swept, went and got sevev of his buddies worse than he and returned and entered in againn... the second state of the man was worse than the first satan knew scripture quite well also... we know what place is for him also... nothing shall be hid... give some enough rope...
11/11/2008 11:05:02 AM	Real Christianity
simpleman_1971 Eastman, GA age: 39	I agree there are differences in the doctrine of Catholicism and most protestant doctrines. However denominations have nothing to do with Salvation. Believing in Christ is enough. The eunuch asked how he might be saved. Philip told him to believe in Jesus. The Holy Spirit brought conviction of sin to his heart, and the Holy Spirit lead Philip to him when the eunuch searched for understanding. Philip simply preached Jesus to him. He believed in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. We put too much emphasis on what man preaches, and not the Holy Spirit which conveys to mankind who Jesus is. We can teach and preach the doctrine, but it’s God who saves, and does all the work of Salvation through the Holy Spirit. Even though people could be mixed up in false doctrine, and false teaching, they can still have the true desire to be saved, and saved the same way through the understanding of Salvation through Christ. Many doctrines I disagree with, but I also believe only God knows who truly believes. I don’t know about you, my faith is tested every day. To say that only certain denominations are saved, is to say that this man’s teaching is the work of Salvation, when it’s not.
11/12/2008 9:09:16 AM	Real Christianity
1haoleboy Hilo, HI age: 50	Quote from stormbay: I suppose you'd know much more about the history of christianity and the yahweh cult than a priest who holds a Phd in cultural anthropology with a thesis in religious cultural history, so I'm willing to let you describe where I am grossly incorrect, if you can. ACT 4:13 Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. JOB 32:9 Great men are not always wise: neither do the aged understand judgment. PSA 119:99 I have more understanding than all my teachers: for thy testimonies are my meditation. PSA 119:100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts. I agree that you know alot more about some Catholic church dealings than me, or the average layman. But, as I see it, that is part of the flaw of what you know. You know what they taught you. And now that you "know", it is not easy to unlearn some of the things they taught you. With all the things you do know, it should not be hard to make the jump, towards understanding that they did not teach you everything right. And, they deliberatly taught you some things wrong. Here is a question for you, about The Bible and church history. I have no idea what answer you will give, I just know that it is a subject that I never heard anybody but me, bring up. What about church history, after the apostles were cast out of the church? The Bible talks about it. Does the church officially deny, or admit it? [Edited 11/12/2008 9:10:08 AM ]
11/12/2008 9:25:01 AM	Real Christianity
skunkbreath Saint James, MO age: 91	Quote from skunkbreath: I have often heard of this "mythical real christian", but have yet to document the actual sighting of one!...The frauds that come forward to claim that they are the "true christian" may deceive themselves and others that are similarly delusional, but soon prove themselves to a discerning mind to be just another pathetic, fearful creature posturing as a coping mechanism and caught up in evil much as everyone else without conscience is. But, if you can document one of these "mythological real christians", please post such evidence in the "Big Foot" site!!! still no "real christian"....just the usual assortment of christo-retards who cowardly and robotically blather nonsense, the christo-punks who could have a rational thought if their mind wasn't contaminated by delusion instilled by the perverse ideology, and the "loving" christo-thugs, with their deceptive spiritually terrorizing and attempting to indoctrinate, and that failing, show their true colours, violence! All in all, from the simple mindlessness to the pathological delusional and psychotically violent, the conglomerate may be the "real christian"!..A true reflection of their perverse god of torture, war and sorrow! Their focus on some big daddy taking care of them and protecting them from themselves by "saving" them with an act of torture upon itself or it's son, depending on the cult's interpretation!...What idiotic nonsense!..How Irresponsible to self and others! But, how so very much needed, this crutch, in this particular mentally twisted segment of the population!
11/12/2008 9:39:27 AM	Real Christianity
curiousone2 Springfield, IL age: 44	Quote from wearp1: eader]Quote from chrisg_23: HONESTLY PEOPLE!! do you thing Our lord and savior Jesus Christ! Our God! wants you guys to be arguing about religion? You see whats wrong with todays age? people are alwya's fighting especially the followers of Christ our lord! we need to be like brothers and sisters and praying for eachother especially the way things are going in this world Today. The times near and everythings falling into place just as the bible predicts..but you guys wanna sit here and fight among yourselves. I pray everyone here at least gets some sense in what im trying to say. If someone misquotes you or is bashing you..you bash back which isn't what god wants. [/quote I agree with what you are saying here. ummmm, YES< read matthew 10. he dioesn't come to bring peace, but with a sword to turn daughter against mother, son against father. HE expects us, to seek and find the truth. and to dispell any mistruths. In fact he says in Matthew 10, He says don't worry about how you speak, the message of Matthew 10, is seek and defend the truth. he says those that reject the truth, for their parents, are NOT worthy of him. if you embrace the religion your parents handed you, rather than seeking the truth yourself, you are NOT worthy of him. pretty simple. your parents cannot SAVE you, they are NO more caable of you. they have NO special insight. when you find you have misunderstood something, as we all do, you are NOT supposed to dismissit becaus it is heresey, you are supposed to announce the finding to the source that gave it to you, if that source sticks to the false reject that person as a false prophet. you should still listen to them, and share your truth, but when you leave, yu are supposed to brush the dirt from your feet. or other words, don't let it taint you, or worry you, which is why all oft hese gy bashers are so sinful, because they are consumed some of them with what someone else is doing, that is egoic, and false, and according to jesus, sinful. we don't know how we are intended to change, but we know by Jesus message that we ARE intended to change and evolve, which is why explains about a new earth.opnly those living egoic would fear the end of an egoic world.
11/12/2008 9:43:56 AM	Real Christianity
curiousone2 Springfield, IL age: 44	Quote from skunkbreath: still no "real christian"....just the usual assortment of christo-retards who cowardly and robotically blather nonsense, the christo-punks who could have a rational thought if their mind wasn't contaminated by delusion instilled by the perverse ideology, and the "loving" christo-thugs, with their deceptive spiritually terrorizing and attempting to indoctrinate, and that failing, show their true colours, violence! All in all, from the simple mindlessness to the pathological delusional and psychotically violent, the conglomerate may be the "real christian"!..A true reflection of their perverse god of torture, war and sorrow! Their focus on some big daddy taking care of them and protecting them from themselves by "saving" them with an act of torture upon itself or it's son, depending on the cult's interpretation!...What idiotic nonsense!..How Irresponsible to self and others! But, how so very much needed, this crutch, in this particular mentally twisted segment of the population! Most importantly, you answerd your own question which is, they NEEDED the craziness, to find the sanity. remember sanity is determined by the society it is created in. of course people are at odds, the church and thegovernment are seklling them someting their SPIRIT knows to be false. but Jesus talked about this, in Matthew and Mark, and the gnostic books too, so did Lao Tzu in the tao, and so do the upanishads. it is the evolution of the human species to a nature tha is MORE in tune with the natural order of things. rather than being an ego driven world. we will take what we want, do what we love, and love what we are doing, and therefore we will love each other, and do unto others as we would have them do unto us. the dichotomy here is, in the definition of "real Christian" because the term Christian represents the catholic church, not Jesus' followers.
11/12/2008 9:47:38 AM	Real Christianity
curiousone2 Springfield, IL age: 44	Quote from 1haoleboy: + If you are praying, and you are asking somebody to,......................... Do anything, you are praying to them. D_voted: In short the prayer is not TO Mary but Asking Mary to... D_voted: PS. locate a half dozen different Bibles and turn them all to the same passage - Say Romans 8 or 1Cor. 12 or wherever. You will find that they are not different in substance they are different is form. Some people with a limited reading skill would find the Good News the proper choice. Academics would find the NIV or Jerusalem bible or if you prefer the 'odd' kind of language because it is significantly different from what you use day to day and helps you get 'in the proper frame of mind' use the King James. It is more a matter of taste or preference but not different in the message. + I am pretty sure that all those versions of The Bible say, not to call any man on earth, Father. In fact, we're not even supposed to call them father. MAT 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. IF you are adreessig mary and asking her to do something for you, ( s much wrong with that statement fundamentally, but) then you ARE praying to mary, you are addressing HER, and asking HER for something, praying means telling GOD what you want to tell GOD. when you aretelling mary what you want to tell mary, that is praying to mary. thats more of the pharisees bullshit rules, he made up ad enforced as law. contrary of course to anything Jesus said to do. and he never even MET jesus. I love these people that think PAUL was a disciple, he was a Christian killing pharisee, on his way to hunt christians when he had an idea abouthow to use them BY using Jesus. thats it,. and apparently you are still drinking their kool aid,?? carry on. jesus said you would.
11/12/2008 9:54:10 AM	Real Christianity
curiousone2 Springfield, IL age: 44	Dana, the message of the demon being cast out, was be prepared, the demon, is any sort of egoic thought that takes you away fromw hat is right, when the people were freed of the addiction that is a demon ( it is described in the bible as a thirst that cannot be quenched, thats an addiction) whent he addiction leaves, the person feels btter, usually so much better, that they enjopy something else, and they becopme obsessed with THAT. thats how the other demons were brought by their friends. when the people are relieved, ( this s true of addicts still today) often times they quit drinking or drugs, and they turn to another repetitive habitual patern. most people get fat during rehab, thats because food becomes a emptation, sex becomes a temptation, anything that one can do that brings them Pleasure, becomes a demon, when they are compelled to seek that. That is the practical use of that scripture,a nd as you see, Like jesus said it i written in a way, that when you hear the truth, ifit matters to you, you will recognize it as truth. Ia ms ure there are addicts that recognize this immediately, nd family and friends and loved ones of addicts tha recognize this as truth. It is Much more comfortable for peopleto believe they have NO power, and are t the mercy of demons, rather than take personal responsibility for their own demons. which is how they retain so much power. we have collective demons as well, the cold war was a collective demon, and its fruit was rotten.
11/12/2008 10:05:02 AM	Real Christianity
1haoleboy Hilo, HI age: 50	Quote from skunkbreath: still no "real christian"....just the usual assortment of christo-retards who cowardly and robotically blather nonsense, the christo-punks who could have a rational thought if their mind wasn't contaminated by delusion instilled by the perverse ideology, and the "loving" christo-thugs, with their deceptive spiritually terrorizing and attempting to indoctrinate, and that failing, show their true colours, violence! All in all, from the simple mindlessness to the pathological delusional and psychotically violent, the conglomerate may be the "real christian"!..A true reflection of their perverse god of torture, war and sorrow! Their focus on some big daddy taking care of them and protecting them from themselves by "saving" them with an act of torture upon itself or it's son, depending on the cult's interpretation!...What idiotic nonsense!..How Irresponsible to self and others! But, how so very much needed, this crutch, in this particular mentally twisted segment of the population! One of the first signs of the delusional mind, is that they fall into reasoning fallacies, it is hard to tell if they even have a fact they want to present. One of the reasoning fallacies is circular reasoning, long judgemental episodes presenting their opinion as fact, giving their opinion as proof. Personal attacks are another. A sane man would not waste his time, he would just say... We're made of rubber, you're made of glue, all of your personal attacks, bounce off of us, and stick to you. the usual assortment of anti-christo retards who cowardly and robotically blather nonsense, the antichristo-punks who could have a rational thought if their mind wasn't contaminated by delusion instilled by the perverse ideology, and the "loving" antichristo-thugs, with their deceptive spiritually terrorizing and attempting to indoctrinate, and that failing, show their true colours, violence! All in all, from the simple mindlessness to the pathological delusional and psychotically violent, the conglomerate may be the Who are you? The judge of all the earth? How much of what you say about GOD, can you prove? [Edited 11/12/2008 10:05:42 AM ]
11/12/2008 12:42:14 PM	Real Christianity
iamocdhappy Columbus, OH age: 22	I pretty much disagree with everything you said about Catholics... I have read the Christian Catechism and the Catechism of the Catholic Church... The Catholic Catechism was far better cited. I chose to be a Catholic because of the term Apostolic Catholic, Catholicism is the same thing. Apostolic means that we have adopted the same beliefs from the Apostles who lived side by side with Jesus. Those who are of Apostolic succession are the bishops and the popes. WIthout them, we would be lost in translation and NO christianity would be alive today. Barbarians would have eaten it alive and Paganism, Montanism and other heresies would have taken over way before the 400 AD's. I don't have time to argue your points on Reconciliations, so I will focus on the Blessed Mother: Praying to Mary is in no way strictly forbidden in The Bible... if you have evidence against my debate, please cite it... There is no separation between Christianity and Catholicism, for Catholics are the original Christians. Let me ask my fellow Christians this, when you suffer the loss of a family member or friend, do you continue to talk to them in prayer. This is taught in the Bible. It is how we are supposed to cope with the loss of loved ones as well as celebrate their life in heaven with God. The Father's of the Church, some of the men who saved Christianity prayed to Jesus and their fellow Christians when they were struggling with their sins and their faith in general. Praying to Mary is the same way. We pray to Mary as a messenger to God. She is the Mother of God. Imagine how much we love our own mothers and if they told us a message from a family member or friend. Wouldn't we listen? We pray to Mary because we adore her, not because she is divine. She is a human person, unlike Jesus, who was human but his nature was divine. I personally look up to her because she is the ONLY person who was made perfect enough by The Father to carry Jesus in her whom and raise him. She could not sin. I pray to this woman who sits at the right hand of Jesus to help me in my struggles with sin and to help me mimic her perfection.
11/12/2008 12:45:03 PM	Real Christianity
stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 65	All you know about the history of the Catholic and Christian churches are what you read about; and what you read about is the facts from one groups perspective. Kind of like the Winner's Truth is fact. Except in this pre-text it is the loser Truth as fact And you have the knowledge and experience to make judgements on who knows what and have studied the various monotheistic groups, to make the determination that my knowledge is more limited than yours. Actually it appears the only knowledge you know is denial, well you are a christian, so it's understandable your psychopathic denialist. It could be your only life problem, other than being born. YES!but christianity is not built on lies so why feed more fuel to the FIRE(eternity) Put an end to it Christianity is all built on lies, there is not positive or verifiable truth within any of it. What about church history, after the apostles were cast out of the church? The Bible talks about it. Does the church officially deny, or admit it? You need to make sense before anyone can answer you, what about church history and which church. The only thing you seem capable of is babbling out empty scripture which makes no sense whatsoever unless you area recorded answering machine and it's the only kick you can get out of life, repeat, repeat, repeat. I constantly see these empty attempts at discrediting what non believers say, yet not one of you can come up with evidence to support your stance, except the bible. Something people with intelligence know and see as an pack of lies. I'd like to see just one of you come up with some real knowledge, but considering the your mental state of decay, I doubt that is possible. You know a hell a lot about nothing, pretty empty really, which may be the reason why you are all medicated, it's the only way to contain your frustration and anger. Pity it doesn't work for you in any way.

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