asians at the bottom of the totem pole lol

3/1/2007 4:02:16 PM	asians at the bottom of the totem pole lol
whitehawk Eugene, OR age: 53	I can't recall that I said in any of these postings that I, as a person ,haven't suceeded in my life.. I am an advocate for injustessness in Native Affairs.I bring to people's attention, current conditions existing in the Native America of today... So you may of met some individuals who succeeded in life..by their own demerits,,thats all well and good. They represent may a 1% percentile in Native America.My own daughter works in a district attorneys office. Yes you are right in some things,,, many do strive to succeed. others have been given no opportunities or chances for that same success. Racism,poverty, health care issues,,etc,,the list is extensive, are factors in why the majority do not succeed.
3/1/2007 5:31:48 PM	asians at the bottom of the totem pole lol
chetan1017 Copperas Cove, TX age: 64	Well, now I have to answer to this one too. I'm glad to see another Native American is on here taking her stand. And it's not Custard's stand either!!! I get sick and tired of hearing how the Asians are on the bottom of the totem pole, the blacks are the minority, the Mexicans aren't given the right in this country to work or speak their language. Take a look at the reservations in this country. They are an absolute dispicable place that white man has placed our brothers and sisters on, forcing us into the status we are at today. This was OUR land to begin with. I recently had someone give me a hard time because I dared to say that he lied about something specific, and I have to admit I used a racist term: "White man speaks with forked tongue." He deserved that remark to some degree. And, while I apologized his reply hit way below the belt and he is real lucky he wasn't in front of me when he said the following. How sad that my people are still fighting bigots like him. This is what he told me in his e-mail: "For you to quote your Indian ancestors is a joke to me. The Indians in spite of the publicity of they being the native americans, they were the worst invironmentalists this land has ever know, they defiled their own camp sites which is partially why they had to move all the time among other reasons. They are genetically pre-disposed to alcohol, drugs, and laziness." That fired me up big time and there was no way, being the 'word warrior' that I am, that I let him get away with that which was an absolutely racist remark. This man is a person who works with the land and probably for the government and he couldn't even spell environmentalist right (now I had to throw that one in too LOL). This was my e-mail back to him: "Since you are a (left blank here for personal reasons)........you should know that my people were not the worst environmentalist that this land has ever known. You would know that ONE of the reasons they had to keep moving around was because the white man continued to steal their lands, and a lot of times they had to leave everything in order to flee for their lives. White man also committed genocide against them in an attempt to exterminate them off the face of the Earth by bringing in their smallpox disease that killed thousands. They were suppressed into the condition that many of them are still in today and lot of them have not risen above it. Many of the less fortunate are forced to live on reservations and the government makes sure that they have minimal resources, which makes it difficult for them to better themselves. While there is no excuse for unclean living conditions, there are many slums in America that are not of indigent Native people. I am truly sorry that you have such a low opinion of Native Americans. How sad. And, especially being in the ............ field, you should know that the white man was as, if not more, destructive of the environment than any of the Native Americans. He had no regard for Mother Earth, and he attempted to kill off the people who rightfully owned this land. One means was by starvation in slaughtering their main food source, the bison, destroying their crops, their homes and they left their carnage behind, in order to accomplish that endeavor. My people were peacemakers until they were forced to defend themselves in order for our race to survive......................." Now, I don't get on the band wagon too often here and I will probably get flack from this and I really don't care, but lets give one another a break. We are all Americans and if anyone has the right to complain the Native Americans are at the TOP of the totem pole to do that justifiably, because we were here FIRST and we are still being discriminated against.
3/1/2007 5:37:04 PM	asians at the bottom of the totem pole lol
whitehawk Eugene, OR age: 53	I Stand up and applause for my sister,,,
3/2/2007 3:02:15 AM	asians at the bottom of the totem pole lol
chucky_t Akron, IN age: 59	I am wondering if either of you go to the council or tribal meetings? Do you actually go to the reservations? I been there, run around on them, stayed with friends there. Nothing like either of you are describing. Yes, just like other places, there are some run down places. Maybe some homes are not up to your standards, but I found some very delightful people that enjoy life and where they are. How many Gathers a year do either of you attend? How do you feel about the inter tribal conflicts and fighting going on? Are you even aware of them? The plains Indians did move around a lot, but not because they had to run for their lives. They was a nomadic people and followed the herds of Buffalo. Also, as nomadic people, they did not build permanent camps and they did have to move after a while because of the waste and condition of the camp site. When they moved it was a grand adventure, a parade of sorts, with all their refinery and best clothes. As Native Americans you both are initialed to membership in your tribes. I would suggest becoming active in the councils and finding out what is really going on today instead of quoting a bunch of redact from the newspapers and poorly written books or going internet forums where others like yourself repeat the same old things instead of actually doing something about it. Claiming heritage is one thing, being active in the tribe is another. BTW, I am Potawatomi on my side, my daughter's mother was Chippewa. You will find us at the Trail of Courage each fall, the Redbud each spring and you will probably find us at the "Dance for Mother Earth" Pow Wow at the end of this March.
3/2/2007 5:21:48 AM	asians at the bottom of the totem pole lol
whitehawk Eugene, OR age: 53	I don't know where you have been, but it would seem that you have had very limited exposure to "real" reservations . I have been to and on, more "REZ"S that I can remember thru out the years.My tribe is canadian based, I am unable to attend tribal council meetings..due to the fact that I live in the U.S - nor am I an enrolled tribal member.Does that make me any less Native? of course not! I have been to Canada.. the same situation that faces many U.S. tribes is also affecting them there -also in Canada.. 6 nations is a good example of the current situation that exists for many Natives. You ask if either of us knows what the internal bickering and fighting is,that goes ons.. I cannot answe for another,but for me..yes,,I am completely aware of what goes on.I do not get my information from ..books or the newspapers,,or the internet...I have direct dealings with people who live in today.. experience in today..and deal with the real life scenarios of today. I do not attend Pow Wows.simply because my job as a long hauler doesn't allow time for it for one..no time for myself,much less pow wow's..and I dislike the commercialization and political thing it has become. Due to the fact that many people live in different parts of the country. many.do not live anywhere near where their actual tribe is based or located..how then would these people attend tribal council meetings? My own daughter is enrolled in a tribe located in OK..would you have her run back and forth across the country spending money she does not have,,to be an active participant in tribal affairs?Lets get real here,,just because one isn't directly involved in council meeting or voting..etc..doesn't mean that that person is not active with in their tribal.or tribal communities in areas where they live..etc.. The internet helps ppl keep in contact... You make claims to something you have no clue of whether one is active or not. I could go on and on with this.but whats the point? As I say..my personal observation is,,based on statements made,..is you seem to have had very limited exposure to real reservations in this country.. whitehawk
3/2/2007 10:02:45 AM	asians at the bottom of the totem pole lol
chucky_t Akron, IN age: 59	Actually I spend a lot of time on reservations in the southwest. But then you like to try and point out how "limited" my contacts are. I really don't understand how your experiences are so different then mine and others. I stayed for days at a time with friends, on reservations in Oklahoma and New Mexico. Over twenty years of going there and spending several days several times a year, how does that make my experiences limited?
3/2/2007 10:33:39 AM	asians at the bottom of the totem pole lol
whitehawk Eugene, OR age: 53	There are many Rez"s across america. The majority of these are living in poverty.When one has only been to a select few without traveling across the U.S. it limits ones perceptions to just those very few that one may of visited. I have been on so many and seen the "true" living conditions..that it is a saddening thing that this exists in america in todays time. The Reservations in my own state live in undesirable conditions. We have a select few that are doing well..finacially..but only with a long fight with the Feds to get their casino's up and running. Never the less,the internal politics of the tribal council members and the tribe members is a constant war among themselves,,all because of money... The majority of "White" america only see these particular reservations.. You made a statement that you had visited the Navajo Reservation..which part and in which State? The majority of the Navajo's live in poverty conditions ..and the violence and drugs and alcohol and domestic violence is not hidden from public knowledge,, it is well known...You cannot possibly know many true REZ Navajo's as most Navajo's do not speak to the white man...I have a friend who lives on the Potatowamie Rez in Kansas,, He gauranteed me that there would be parking for my "big" truck on pavement..by the casino...of course,,the rest of the Rez is dirt and gravel roads... You state you are part Pototawami... I can surely find out real quik... I have many friends scattered across a large part of America..being a trucker,, I have met with many and been to where they live,,The NEZ PERCE still talk about my bringing the truck out on the REZ.What do you know about the Yakima REZ> or The CRow REZ in montana? or The K falls Rez..I can go on and on and on.. I have been there.. I have friends on most of them...What the Real NDN sees may be different than what the White man see eh? Where my differences are.. Is I look what I am..I am accepted by my brothers and sisters,,on any REZ across the nation...I have understanding of what its like to be Native and be discriminated against and be subject to society's misguided information on what its like to be a "real" ndn.I live my walk in life.. and make no pretenses to be other than what I am.I don't go out on the REZ to visit.. I go there for my spirituality..to be in harmony with my brothers and sisters,,to be lifted up and reminded of who and what I am when I get lost.. To have the support and understanding of what its like to live in modern America.. I go to the Rez for many different things..but not to play at the Casino's thats for sure!!! I guess your experiences in the southwest surely diff from mine,as I have seen many more and been on many more REZ"S than u have across America.I have freinds in so many diff tribes I can't even begin to keep track and Alaska is included in this list..not to mention the many NDN's I associate with that live in Canada...I am a participating member of the Native communities across North america.. every day..not just a few times a year. Whitehawk
3/2/2007 11:31:13 AM	asians at the bottom of the totem pole lol
chucky_t Akron, IN age: 59	The Navajo do not speak to white men? Where did you ever come up with that? They sure did a lot of talking to me when we run up to Pawnee and stayed on the reservation when I was in my twenties. They talked to me a lot when I would visit with friends west of Albuquerque when I spend a lot of time there. Even the fascinating elder that has not been off the reservation in over forty years. I am easy to find just ask around, already told you where I would be. I have name places I been and people I run around with. Not vague everywhere, all people type comments. How is it you are accepted in all these different places when you claim to know that being a member of the wrong tribe in the wrong place can be a not so good a outcome? You are very vague about your experiences but seem to want to claim how "limited" my knowledge is. I think I got the idea now, so you keep believing in your view of the world and I will live in mine.
3/2/2007 5:51:59 PM	asians at the bottom of the totem pole lol
wolfy9459 Dayton, OH age: 45	Trogen said Don't use the N word, Bottom of the pole, Rebel flag, Car bombs, KKK, Trail of tears, Slavery, Forty acres and a F...... mule. We hole these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, I have a dream, That one day my four little childred will be judged by the content of their character, not by the color of their skin, Black boys wearing hoods, White boys in camoflage, Yesterday, fifty years ago, all the way back to Adam & Eve or even further, The astronaut with the diaper, Anna Nicole Smith, O.J., George Bush, Gangs claiming turf, immigration, loyalty to america, Lets help rebuild Irac, Homelessness in america. One thing Im damn sure about. If there was obsolutely nothing in this world to fight about, We Would DAMN SURE CREATE SOMETHING. Each one of you may with my permission take this personally; If I have INTENTIONALLY offended or hurt ANYONE ( black, white, blue, green, or all the shades in between ) in any way, shape, form or fashion, since my existance upon this earth, punish me any way you see fit. Otherwise my life is too short and too precious to harbor ill feeling for those not DIRECTLY responsible for the ills of my forefathers. When will we ever learn ! Have a good day. I AGREE. Kenny PS What we are doing today. The wrongs. Is what gets me pissed. Prejudice is the sickness of a moron. [Edited 3/2/2007 6:41:35 PM]
3/2/2007 6:01:02 PM	asians at the bottom of the totem pole lol
wolfy9459 Dayton, OH age: 45	most people in america haven't a clue as to the "real" world of the native american in this country,,,no one cares,,no one wants to know,,and no one wants to do anything about it... Sort like walking down the street and ya see a homeless person begging,,you walk by and ignore that person.,.and go about ur business,,and hope to hell they don't bother you....Whitehawk I care! I know to much! Want to know more! Do what I can! Kenny
3/2/2007 6:32:09 PM	asians at the bottom of the totem pole lol
whitehawk Eugene, OR age: 53	How is it you are accepted in all these different places when you claim to know that being a member of the wrong tribe in the wrong place can be a not so good a outcome? Quote me and copy and paste where i said the above statement
3/2/2007 8:29:51 PM	asians at the bottom of the totem pole lol
chucky_t Akron, IN age: 59	You are the one that stated you knew about the troubles between the tribes. If you know this then you would understand the statement. I give you a couple of other things I am not quite buying. You say you are a OTR trucker, but you have time to stop at all these places and make all these Native American friends. I am sure your dispatcher is understanding of this. You claim you are involved with a number of tribes and know the "true" ways, but you are vague as to the tribes you are talking about or why that is. Your whole argument to my experiences is that in the over twenty years I have been around reservations and Native Americans is that I only have "limited" experiences and you have "true" experiences while still being vague about it. There are a couple other things, but they are not worth the space to address. My personal opinion, it that you are full of it. Trying to hold a conversation or exchange experiences with you is mostly a waste of time. I, personally, don't buy most of what you are saying about your "true" experiences.
3/3/2007 2:30:36 AM	asians at the bottom of the totem pole lol
chucky_t Akron, IN age: 59	I am going to add one more thing here then I am done with this thread. I believe you are the one with the limited experiences. Most of the Native Americans I know are forward thinking and positive people. I believe that is the majority. They are good hard working people that want to make a good future for their children as well as teach and pass on their culture and beliefs. I think the minority is the ones like yourself that work to try and keep the hostility and bigotry alive. To constantly blame the evil white man for all your woes. People like you are the reason that some Native Americans continue to stuggle, you give them a excuse to not try, instead of encouraging them to achieve.
3/3/2007 3:30:38 AM	asians at the bottom of the totem pole lol
aiming4justice Mount Pleasant, PA age: 44	Greetings. I am joining in this discussion a little late but I’m on Indian time, get there when I feel like it. I am of the Hathewekala, Shawnee Nation. I have been a women’s traditional dancer for 10 years and a fancy shawl dancer for 5 years. I traveled the East coast Pow Wow circuit (New York, Pa, Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland and North Carolina) and have been to reservations, gatherings, and many traditional ceremonies such as Awakening of Mother Earth, Green Corn, Bread Dance, Feast of the Dead, Sweat Lodge and Making of A Woman ceremony ect... I have been actively involved in many meetings and listened to Roberta Blackgoat and Russell Means speak about the preservation of Native American Rights. The word Totem comes from the Algonquian word Dodem- meaning to be related to or to share ones crest and there certainly were no Asians on the pole. But Alex honey...I’ll date you. I’m 20 years older but maybe I can teach you a few things. ~wink~ wink~ Anyway, the totem poles were created by the Tinglit, Haida, Tsimshian, Kwakwakawakw and Nuu-chah-nulth FIRST NATIONS. As for LIVING IN THE PAST these Northwest Coast tribes are now facing the extinction of Salmon because of PROGRESS...because of others trying to MAKE SOMETHING OF THEMSELVES...there were 40 million acres of ceded land, 34,000 acres of burial ground flooded and 338,000 acres flooded when the dams were put in. And 243-410 million pounds of salmon were lost. Is this called living in the past? TODAY the salmon are all but gone. What about the child molestation and sexual abuse lawsuits now in court because Native American children were abused when they were put into boarding schools such as Carlisle Indian School and forced to assimilate into the white culture? Forbidden to speak their language. Forbidden to practice their spirituality until the Freedom of Religion Act of 1978. These people are now our Grandmas and Grandpas, not ten generations ago. What about the billions of dollars of misappropriated funds LOST by the federal government that was being held in trust for which belonged to the NATIVE tribes of AMERICA? What about the current lawsuits being filed due to the exploitation of our burial grounds? The cemeteries and graves of everyone else's ancestors are respected and left alone. Wal-Mart builds their stores on top of ours. Can I build a store on top of your Grandma? Why not? What about the Massachusetts legislature finally repealing a 330 year old law that barred Native Americans from entering Boston? This was on May 19, 2005. We are not living in the past. This is TODAY. As for Native Americans who have 'All that land'...yeah, we do. If my Navajo friend gets sick she has to drive 150 miles just to get to a hospital. As for the drug issue, helicopters land in the desert and the badlands in the middle of the night to drop shipments of drugs on Indian land...and the pilots of these helicopters are NOT Indian. As for the casino money it doesn't reach everyone. Some tribes have no casinos. Some tribes such as the Muwekma Ohlone and the Piscataway Nation of Maryland are not being given Federal Recognition. Without Federal Recognition, you get no check, no money, no land and no benefits. You are considered one of the lost peoples of the lost First Nations within America. However, the Seminole just bought ALL the ownership of the Hard Rock Cafes. They quote “We will buy it all back one piece at a time if we have to.” In spite of all the ignorance, stupidity and discrimination we will come back. First Nations will rise again but understand...we are not living in the past. We have been oppressed by the mainstream society for a very, very long time. It is a daily fight, a struggle to come back. These issues are very real and we struggle with them TODAY. I have to ask Chucky if you have been around Natives and you recognize these things to be true, why give Whitehawk a hard time. She is standing up for what she believes to be true according to her own life experiences. As is Cetan. Why argue with us Indians who follow the RED ROAD about OUR PAST, OUR HISTORY...and all that we know to be true? If anyone knows it well, we do. We don’t just visit there. We live it every day. If you don’t believe what we are saying is true, you are following what you learned to be the truth which, I am sorry to inform you is severely misguided and incorrect. You should be a gentleman and apologize to her and everyone else on here for attacking her in an unjust manner. She speaks the truth as I do. Msipesi Lana Ambalote. Panther That Walks. SHAWNEE NATION. ~Aiming4Justice~
3/3/2007 6:14:39 AM	asians at the bottom of the totem pole lol
whitehawk Eugene, OR age: 53	What my time limits are are really none of your business... where I have been ,,I have spoken truth,, I do not need to continue to defend myself to someone who makes a choice to not comprehend the written word. You are transposing what ever it is I write,and insidiously twisting it for what ever you seem to feel a need to do to prove ...what? I know where I have been,,, I know who I associate with... And I know where I am accepted.. I have found that people,such as your self. who need to challenge ,,others and twist their words,,are usually very insecure individiuals... I have traveled long before I became a trucker.. Ask any trucker,,, We travel thru many places in the course of delivering that freight,,so that you, and everyone can have that butt wipe... When its time to shut er down..no one dictates where or how or why... Its up to that trucker where he or she wants the 34 hr restart... If I choose to shut my truck down on the Crow rez.. thats what I do.. You seem to have a need for disbelief.. Would it make you feel any better ifn I gathered up and had a petition signed,, with those individual I associate with..proving .. that I speak truth..? You claim native heritage,, but yet from looking at ur picture..what DO you look like? By yourself.. I would like to see you go to..hmmm..say the Burns Indian reservation.. in my state.. yeah ,,thats a good one for starters... Lets see you drive on up in there and have all the brother's and sister's welcome you with open arms... Better yet..why not the Modoc rez In northern Ca.. lets see ya take ur self on up in there... Now that would be a FUN thing to watch.... Lets see ya go on up in there and ask for a "Sweat" tell em ya feel a need for a cleansing,,, You are there because ur spirit is down and out and you need a spiritual" uplifting" yeah... now this I would take my personal vehicle and drive that distance..to to stand back in the sidelines and "watch".. should prove for some great entertainment... By your words..it is obvious you haven't a clue as to what really goes on in Native America... You digress and transpose words... You challenge what is spoken or said,,You cannot add input as to what is happening currently in Native America... But you can single things out and lay claim that I uttered those words... in my prior postings,,and then even then ,when asked to Quote..You could not even do that... Hmmm maybe because its that little big man syndrome at work... Well anyways... I know who and what I am..Do you?? I know which walk in life I take... Whitehawk

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