2 nite: HBO special on "Real America"

2/16/2009 8:14:43 AM	2 nite: HBO special on "Real America"
coolchick Woodway, TX age: 57	Good morning. Airing tonight (Feb 16) @7PM CST. "Right America, Feeling Wronged: Some Voices from the Campaign Trail". Filmmaker Alexandra Pelosi follows McCain-Palin supporters & asks them about Barack Obama. She finds a group of people resentful that "real Americans" are being ignored, and that the "right" positions on guns, God, gays, and abortion will be reversed. Concerning President Obama, he is referred to as a Socialist, Marxist, Communist, just like Hitler, Anti-Christ (or just plain 666), Muslim, & not white. The filmmaker conducted her interviews near Palin campaign rallies, leading up to the Presidential election. I'm going to try to watch this program, in the interest of learning more about the zealots and fanatics that have remained very vocal since the election. If anyone else watches tonight, maybe we could post some thoughts about it afterwards. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
2/16/2009 8:50:21 AM	2 nite: HBO special on "Real America"
lakc Batam Indonesia age: 50	Do you think the right wing will call the special "Hog Wash" since it's from Nancy Pelosi's daughter? I'm sure they'll see it as a one sided version of "us against them". [Edited 2/16/2009 8:50:53 AM PST]
2/16/2009 10:08:31 AM	2 nite: HBO special on "Real America"
coolchick Woodway, TX age: 57	If the film consists of Pelosi simply asking questions, and letting the subjects do all the talking - then, I don't see how the fanatics can cry foul. We'll see if there is any reaction from them.
2/16/2009 10:16:55 AM	2 nite: HBO special on "Real America"
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	I know some of you are concerned about my anti-Republican viewpoints, but let me just ask: Where did these "real Americans" get their stamp of approval? How do these "real Americans" know, beyond any uncertainty, that their positions on guns, God, government, gays, taxes, etc. are THE CORRECT positions? The GOP, and their messenger Karl Rove, beat that into their heads. Sarah Palin was just another messenger from that very twisted wing of the Republican party. And the rest of us, who hold very different positions, were labeled as "unpatriotic" "Godless" "immoral" "socialists" etc. I have friends who are Republicans. We have chosen to not discuss politics because we hold different views. BUT none of my "R" friends think I am Godless, immoral, unpatriotic, etc. But there are waaay too many people like those who were interviewed by Ms. Pelosi and they really believe they are right and we - thye rest of us - are wrong. Many of them hang out in DH in the Current Events & Politics forum. There is a real divide in this country that I find alarming. I believe the vast majority of the US population is in the center. But it is the extremes on both sides that will hurt us. And their voices are loud and sometimes alarming in their vehemence. Peace, Pam
2/16/2009 11:45:06 AM	2 nite: HBO special on "Real America"
walter55 Albuquerque, NM age: 52	I see a good argument to bring back the Fairness Doctrine
2/16/2009 6:15:44 PM	2 nite: HBO special on "Real America"
coolchick Woodway, TX age: 57	Hi, Pam. I'm glad to hear from you that you don't believe all Republicans are fanatics. Hello, everyone. If you watched the show tonight, I'd like to hear what you think. To me, it was interesting - but Alexandra Pelosi is no Michael Moore. I thought she was totally inappropriate with Katie Couric - she tried to bait Couric, but Couric didn't take the bait. I was disappointed that Pelosi didn't point out facts when some of the wildly untrue statements were made (such as when the woman stated that Obama removed an American flag lapel pin in public). Michael Moore would have corrected her, such as "But he didn't do that. He did not yank off a flag pin in public". I thought Pelosi's interviewing methods showed immaturity - again, not polished, and I think she got silly at times. That being said, she was successful in showing some glimpses of true far-rightwing fanaticism - and some white supremacy. One hilarious part was the woman who was wearing the "Go to hell, Murrah" t-shirt, and she was saying how important religion is to her. Yes, that was mighty Christian of her - telling a Vietnam War hero to go to hell.
2/16/2009 9:13:32 PM	2 nite: HBO special on "Real America"
lickitanstickit Belton, TX age: 51	dang I don't get HBO out here ,thanks for the opinion I guess I'll red the transcript in a day or two.
2/17/2009 5:25:15 PM	2 nite: HBO special on "Real America"
coolchick Woodway, TX age: 57	Hi, lickit, welcome to the group. Sorry about your not getting HBO, but I do hope you get to read the transcript. It was a short program, just 45 minutes. I was glad for that, because I can only take so much of those fanatics before I get really fed up.
2/17/2009 6:37:00 PM	2 nite: HBO special on "Real America"
lakc Batam Indonesia age: 50	I don't get HBO either but thanks for the review coolchick. I'll surf the net to see what's out there about the show.
2/17/2009 7:19:32 PM	2 nite: HBO special on "Real America"
lickitanstickit Belton, TX age: 51	Lickit, I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I'm against gun ownership. That's not what I meant. I'm all for citizens being able to possess firearms for sport shooting, hunting, and self-defense if need be. What I call a "gun nut" is someone who is after stock-piling weapons (especially those weapons that go beyond what's needed for sporting, hunting & basic self-defense). Also, I consider "nutty" the idea that Democrats or Barack Obama is trying to take away any one's right to lawfully own a lawful gun. Now, I have a major issue with you. I take offense to your statement that our service men and women would follow an order to fire upon American civilians. I believe you also implied that our service men and women are young and inexperienced. Let me tell you something, my fellow Texan. You are full of bull____on that account. My son is an Army Sergeant, with two tours in Iraq under his belt. He's 30 years old, and battle-hardened. But he was not trained to be a killer of innocents. He did not kill anyone in Iraq that was not an enemy insurgent. He would not fire upon innocent American civilians - not even if Jesus Christ his own self gave the order. I was talking with my son recently, and he informed me that there is no way in hell that he'd follow an unlawful order. Kent State and Nixon are in the past. There is no military draft now, so there are is no one in the armed services against their will. We have all-volunteer armed forces of well-trained men and women. They are protecting me and you 24/7. You owe my son and every other service member a huge apology. I'd like to see you give that apology here in this group forum. Hi coolchick First let me apologize for bringing this subject to this thread however,Walter blocked me before anyone even replied,so much for a open forum for democrats and liberals, OK I will apologize to those service men and women who choose to act out of patriotism and would hold there oath to the constitution before there oath to their president in regards to firing upon unarmed citizens,However I was a little short and incomplete and so please allow me the opportunity to clarify my statement. I was speaking of revolutionist and other treasonous reactionaries who would revolt without respect for the opinion of mankind.I stated that it was a fool who would bring a knife to a gun fight after referring to the foolishness of taking on a F18 with a assault rifle ,this would be equivalent to being unarmed against such effective killing machines,and anyone who believed they were justified in revolting would be as though unarmed in such a situation,just the same I believe any service man who would not fire upon such insurrectionist as treasonous swine if so given the order.If in the same instant it was necessary any unarmed civilians in the way would undoubtedly find themselves fired upon as collateral damage it would be the duty of the service men to defend their nation and carry out such orders as given. When a forward scout points a laser pointer at a house and calls in a air strike it does not matter what is in the house the pilot of the A-10 will fire as ordered and carryout his orders,he does not know who or what is in the structure just that he is told they are enemies and to strike. And as for your statement about Kent state let us not forget those were volunteers in the national guard who were told not to load live ammo and then loaded live ammo and fired on unarmed students,these soldiers were volunteers not draftees! Remember also at that prison were the men were sexual abused (do we sexually abuse accused prisoners in this country?)I think It was called abu gahrid were inhuman torture was used against untried accused prisoners by us service men and woman,would you desire that I should apologize to these young service men and woman as well,bashing prisoners and terrorizing people lowers us to the level of our enemy combatants and yet didn't they say they were just carrying out a legitimate order?Am I Ok with torture for any reason ? NO I am not nor do I condone that behavior. You ask for a blanket apology for all service men and women,you live in this area and see the news young service men an d women frequently engage in criminal activity and it makes the news . I am not saying I believe that all service men and women are myopic dilatants willing to slaughter civilians without just cause,nor am I adding a blanket assement that all are criminals,I am saying that the services are full of a diverse spectrum of people with as many ideas of right and wrong as there are people ,all were individuals even though they have joined a team that does not release the natural proclivity of the human nature, there are a lot of young men and women who join the military for patriotic reasons,but there are a lot of men and women who join for selfish reasons as well. People join to earn money, to prove there manhood to shoulder a burden so they can claim citizenship or for a education each is a individual at heart and subject to individual interpretation as to what duty is,I was in the military and I joined for my own reasons patriotism wasn't one of them.If I had been ask to throw myself on a bomb or throw a bomb into a crowded theatre I would have carried out my orders, in my mind that's what I was paid to do.So as you ask I will indeed apologize for lumping every one in uniform together and giving the impression that all would be thoughtless drones in the capacity as servicemen and women.
2/17/2009 8:35:12 PM	2 nite: HBO special on "Real America"
coolchick Woodway, TX age: 57	Lickit, I accept your apology. But, I don't think you're making a lot of sense with your argument for civilians being allowed to have weapons that would allow them to be on par with the military. I just can't see that Joe Blow down the street should be allowed to have grenades and rocket launchers, just in case him and a bunch of other nuts decide some day to get together and try to overthrow the govt. Also, while Joe is waiting for the revolution to begin, he might decide to blow up my house if my dog poops in his yard one too many times. This is why civilians aren't allowed to possess weapons of mass destruction. This is why only the military gets to have the fun stuff like F18's, and on up to atomic bombs. I will grant you that some service men and women are not so honorable, but you still seem to be insinuating that the majority are not patriotic, and had selfish reasons to enlist. That's so not right to be saying. There's a disciplinary process in the military, up to and including dishonorable discharge to get rid of the bad actors. I'm all for that process being followed when needed. As for what happened at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, those guards did not say they were following legitimate orders. What they said was, "I was just following orders". As if, they should be excused because they only did what a higher rank told them to do. As a former serviceman, you know that part of your training was that you were not obligated to follow an unlawful order. Those guards and the Company Commander at Abu Ghraib knew full well they were violating the Geneva Convention. At their military courts martial, "I was following orders" did not fly with the judges. I understand about collateral damage during combat. However, why are you obsessed with imagining a "civilians against the military" war scenario playing out in the United States? On second thought, don't answer that.
2/17/2009 9:05:31 PM	2 nite: HBO special on "Real America"
lickitanstickit Belton, TX age: 51	OK I agree I am not promoting citizens with hand grenades or rocket launcher as we saw in Iran,It is not really needed common household chemicals are just as effective for fools stupid enough to want war,we saw what happened at Oklahoma ,there are some serious nut jobs who are full of hatred ,I cant even begin to understand why,and that lack of understanding and the post on the previous thread about hate mongers spouting there foul,separatist narrow minded views is why I was talking about gun ownership,I dint want to give up my gun because of them,I hunt and am a responsible owner.Please don't think I am among those who believe president Obama is going to ask for relinquishing the right to bear arms it's ludicrous to think he has that kind of power he doesn't and I have no fear of that, I simply responded to someone blanketing all gun owners as survivalist nut jobs.We have a right to bear arms for defense from all enemies foreign and domestic and our shared national history is full of instances of that need,when I was boy the boyscout motto was be prepared I think depending on the government to always be prepared and not follow suit as citizens is foolishness. Any way you misunderstood me about citizens having military grade weapons I sure don't want my Klan neighbors or my gang bangers either having mobile artillery or fighter aircraft.Any way I once saw a movie , the soldier went into combat unarmed,his commanding officer told him he should carry a rifle ,he responded if I need one there will be plenty laying around. What is patriotism? What is patriotic? Are you patriotic to volunteer to serve as a patriot without understanding just what it is you are volunteering for? Can you know what it is to serve patriotically without understanding the founding principals of the ideas you are supposed to be supporting? Our schools are a dismal failure when questioned most young people have no idea who is secretary of defense or who is going to be president in the event of the death of president or vice president,they don't understand separation of power or three tier form of federalist government,what are they volunteering for if they don't know what it is?are they really patriotic? I am not insulting them I just am curious about how you feel about blind faith?
2/18/2009 8:38:25 PM	2 nite: HBO special on "Real America"
coolchick Woodway, TX age: 57	Governor Arnold Schwartzenegger (spelling?) was featured in the "Real America" HBO special. There was a clip of him at a McCain rally, stirring up the crowd by saying that Barack Obama would ruin the economy and raise everyone's taxes. Well....now the Governor's state is going bankrupt, and he is the co-author of a bill calling for a big tax increase in California. He will also shortly will be gladly accepting California's share of the stimulus money that is going to the states. Oh, what a difference a couple of months makes, eh Arnold?

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