| 1/15/2009 5:08:53 PM |
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coltstarter
Canal Winchester, OH
age: 43
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Virginia. Coltstarter, you sound like a good choice for trainer on young colts. Hate to disagree with you gents about a horse's intelligence. I find them to be a whole lot smarter than I want them to be. I own a horse that can open any gate on the place, has untied every knot I know, gets room service to tidy up his room and keep it smelling fresh twice a day, the best quality hay available and twice cleaned oats. All he has to do is be pretty and act nice. Will you guys please explain to me how he is stupid. Let me also add that he is trick trained. Picks up anything I show him in two goes. Also, he had a stroke when he was a yearling. Paralized his left side for six weeks. Vet advised me to put him down. I could still see he had the will to live, so my chiropractor adjusted his poll daily, I massaged and pulled and pushed him til he could walk normally again. The trick training came from the physical therapy cause it was boring as hell to me and Scooter. Today, he is a coming 10 year old that is a big beautiful gelding. He is the brown gelding in my profile. I was very fortunate to be able to watch horses and how they act with each other and have witnessed some that were as you said Stupid acting. They are anything but stupid. With good training techniques and patience, most horses will respond. It is only when they get bad "people" habits that we start getting that "horses are stupid" mentality.
LOL they are not stupid! its called conditioned response training. and or success through trial and error for the horse. they can and do learn but they cant plan. even though it seems like it sometimes.
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| 1/15/2009 9:17:48 PM |
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1551cowgirl
Rapid City, SD
age: 58
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conditioned response. OK explain this to me. Owned a 28 year old Appy. His stall had a window that would open so they could stick their heads out into the alleyway and gawk. I had a garbage can with locking handles on it sitting in front of his stall. Said can was full of oats and had my training whip stuck in the handle. Mr Appy stuck his head out and very carefully opened the garbage can and was munching down on the oats when I came out of the stall next too him. He didn't even spook, looked at me as tho he was entitled to be doing this. I pulled the garbage can away from the window and out of his reach, but didn't take the whip out of the handle, which the tail end of was still within his reach. I didn't notice that fact. I went back into the stall I was working in and I hear plastic scooting on concrete. I snuck to the stall front and there is Mr. Appy pulling the whip very carefully to him, then the handle of the garbage can was in his reach and I got to the can just as he ripped the lid off and tipped it to him. I did not teach him how to do this.
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| 1/16/2009 11:48:57 AM |
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coltstarter
Canal Winchester, OH
age: 43
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were talking about food! where theres a will theres a way LOL! Think about a cutting horse the rider doesnt do much but that horse is diving left and right to keep that cow outta the herd the horse is doing the thinking again all horses are not dumb and thats why we keep breeding and upgrading our horses. but they have a very small brain about the size of a walnut, their little brain is mostly used for sensory response and finding food thats all a wild horse does! BUT we have taken away the need for the horse to search for food so that part of the brain needs to be used and thats why alot of horses are bored. They crib and kick the stall down,or pick fights. so please ride your horses alot and make it a challenging ride not always la de da walking horses need to use that lil brain and learning tricks is great fun for the horse as long as the teacher is patient and makes the learning process enjoyable. sounds like you have a really smart, cool horse! AWESOME oh and im sorry cause I just noticed he was 28 and probably isnt alive anymore but god makes more
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| 1/21/2009 6:56:06 AM |
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nadirabug
Columbia, TN
age: 59
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Right now, I will appreciate all feedback on working with unbroken horses I can get. I have owned horses since I was 15 and I am now 58. I showed, rode trails, hauled horses a bunch...by myself...in my younger days.
Then I got married to a *horseman* in "79" who had tremendous ego problems. He belittled me and my knowledge. Even though the horses were mine on the onset of our relationship, we first raised QH's and Paints, then Arabians over the course of 29 years. He did most of the training on them and he was good...but he NEVER finished a single horse anyone but him could do something with?
My daughter rides and has spent several years learning and riding Huntseat and jumping, working at a Hunt Jump barn. My soon to be X was even cynical with her and undermined rather than encouraged her efforts. She is just more stubborn than me? She refused to allow him to *shove her out" of the horse stuff?
Then wham, out of the clear blue, he *dumped* me for an older woman, who lives in an expensive suburban home with no horses? Go figure? I think he wants to be a songwriter again. She is supporting him very well.
So now there is just me and my daughter and some HALF broke horses here. Now, I will pull myself up by the bootstraps and get on with it. At one time, as I mentioned I could finish a horse real well, I know much about their care and upkeep? But I have horses that are from 3 to 15 who are in various stages of training. One is a QH, five are Arabians...and this weekend we are getting a BROKE Breeding Stock Paint. I will say that the 20 yr. old Arabian is BROKE by not by my X.
If I hit a *bump* in the road, can I ask for some suggestions?
I have watched some tapes by some of the popular clinicians (not comparing these to the tapes you say you have posted on your site..please do not think I am) and while I think they are bascially selling common sense; you can pick up some tips. On the down side, I have seen some of these newbies get into real trouble after attending one clinic and thinking they have it wrapped? JMO. Like the gal who took a whip and plastic bag in with a spooked mustang to desensitize him...he jump a paddock fence, landed in rocks and broke his leg in two places.
I was at a show once and this woman tried to load an Arab with first, horse treats (horse loved this.. but did he load? Nope), then a popular clinicians method of loading which involved standing behind him and tapping him on the butt with the end of a whip...constant tapping. He eventually got real tired of this..but did not load. My soon to be x (in a stellar moment) got together with another man at the show, lead the horse to the trailer door, locked hands behind him and *threw his butt in the trailer* My thinking is that a horse can pick up avoidance easier than acceptance? that is if you give them too much time to think about something.
Anyhow, hopefully soon I will also be looking for another *cowboy* to share things with? Older, mature, good with horses? Love to be able to ride trails again...on a good BROKE horse....and some good company. VBG. (Sorry this is so long)
And your right...the economy for horse people sure sucks right now. We *stole* that Paint mare.
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| 1/24/2009 6:04:19 PM |
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coltstarter
Canal Winchester, OH
age: 43
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lol! I just grazed the blah,blah,blah and oh the blah, blah, but my answer to your statement yes it is dangerous and my clips are only a peek into how I treat and handle my horses or clients horses. they are in no way intended to teach people other then maybe a hint about how to regulate pressure effectively. on myspace//coltstarter there is another one called getting to know me and I am expressive as to not do it your self.It sounds like you have to many horses that you cant ride!why is that?
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| 1/24/2009 10:00:48 PM |
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countrygirlcd76
Klamath Falls, OR
age: 32
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how do you get a 3 year old who is very skiddish trained. to a point that he won't even let you put on a halter to work him. he plays and its hard to catch him. you have to get him off guard. you can't even get a saddle blanket on him with out freaking out and bucking or kicking. he even has a jacket for cold weather he has never worn.
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| 1/25/2009 7:12:34 AM |
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nadirabug
Columbia, TN
age: 59
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Sounds like you need to ask for some help? Get some suggestions from coltstarter and get someone local to help you? By the time they are three, some of that foolishness should be replaced with ground manners at the very least...like haltering, leading, standing, standing tied., picking up their feet? Do you have a place to stall him? And work on getting him used to people? Just do not get hurt. Then work on breaking them to saddle.JMO.
I have all these horses becasue we were suppose to be breeding horses. We just lost our stallion, but I have three very well bred Arabian mares. One older gelding, bought as a riding horse. Then my daughter got a young Arabian gelding and had a Quarter horse given to her. Of course, right now I would not bother to breed a mare...no market and it was always my personal thinking that even those horses bought for breeding purposes should be useful and well broke.
Some of these will eventually go down the road. I only need the ones I can ride and enjoy. I am not interested in tht whole breeding and foaling stuff anymore. I love the foals, hate the waiting and anxiety. Not to mention...there is one less person here to *enjoy* them. Ahmmm.
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| 1/25/2009 11:12:14 AM |
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coltstarter
Canal Winchester, OH
age: 43
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how do you get a 3 year old who is very skiddish trained. to a point that he won't even let you put on a halter to work him. he plays and its hard to catch him. you have to get him off guard. you can't even get a saddle blanket on him with out freaking out and bucking or kicking. he even has a jacket for cold weather he has never worn.
Do you have a round pen or smaller area about 60ft by 60 ft?if you cannot get a halter on him then your gonna need to drive him in to that area with a few people helping you! do not rope him.
once you get him into that area tell me, if you dont have an area like that call a local professional and open up that wallet.If you do then I may be able to get you started but I would suggest john lyons style for catching and haltering young horse. I have used it and it works but if you have no clue then save your money and have it done right or else you will screw up that horse.
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| 1/27/2009 8:00:09 PM |
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mustangsally41
Tyler, TX
age: 42
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Please come to Tyler!!! lol
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| 1/27/2009 8:01:51 PM |
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mustangsally41
Tyler, TX
age: 42
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Oh, I'm too late.
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| 1/27/2009 9:28:17 PM |
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nadirabug
Columbia, TN
age: 59
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Good advice coltstarter....sometimes it is best to ask for help when you hit a wall. I am wondering if this is a first horse for our poster? Esp. then. I think it best for those who have never had a horse to start with one that is *people* broke rather than a young one? JMO. A finished horse helps you learn *horse* where a baby, or young horse looks to their people for guidance. Don't you think?
Texas's gain in getting you is the rest of the country's loss.
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| 1/28/2009 5:42:57 PM |
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coltstarter
Canal Winchester, OH
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sorry mustang sally! almost went there but the lady was a flake! Nardia you are to kind. thats why my training style is so much different then every one elses. I instill confidence in the young horse so he doesnt look to to his rider for it. but I also train the novice owner then neither are novice any more!
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| 1/28/2009 7:02:59 PM |
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nadirabug
Columbia, TN
age: 59
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Strange, but there does seem to be a LOT of flakey people in the horse world and it does not seem to be *breed specific* either. I have met some with the Arab people and the QH people...not to even touch on those Hunt/Jump people that my daughter was around for a while. She was a *worker* in that realm...lots of soccer moms to deal with that dropped their kids off for a fun day/babysitter/riding lesson. Luckily, she's real good with children and horses and even though she had to put some rather spoiled kids in their place, they loved her and so did the parents? Discipline. 
I am being truthful about the *loss*...I have seen a lot of so called trainers, but few I would entrust my horses with? Often the horses come home with more problems than they had. Once we sent our QH stallion to a reknown reining horse trainer...he put assistant trainers on him. We went back to see him and his mouth was bleeding, he had spur marks on his shoulder...and when *the* trainer got on him, he attempted to run him into the wall. He wanted to hurt that trainer. This was a stallion my daughter sat on (and under...arghh) as a child? Did not have a mean bone in his body. We also saw they had used a brain chain on him...and this is when we brought him home. Took month's to get him right...
What you say about putting confidence into the horse and also the one who is going to be riding that horse is so important.I have seen many horse that do great with the trainer, but the owners can't do a thing with them. 
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| 1/29/2009 7:46:18 PM |
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coltstarter
Canal Winchester, OH
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a fine line between being a gentle pushover in which the horse is in the front of the pecking order and knowing when to not be. you must have the skills to show stern parent like authority and not take any shit but fear and screw you are very hard to figure at times and thats why someone with experience and references is important. spend your money smart do your home work ask for regular updates and a log of every work your trainer did with your horse! also drop in un announced. to many cheaters out there not doing their job.
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| 2/16/2009 5:31:58 AM |
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summerhen
Fountain, FL
age: 66
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hey there coltstarter, ty for offering help. my question: what is best to feed to put weight on a horse?? i have a rescue horse, and need to put more weight on him, sweet horse, learns fast, now feeding 3 times pr day, he has gained some, but seems to be at a stand still now, just waiting for green grass maybe. can't hardly wait for spring to get here. thanks. summerhen, hope to hear bck soon. take care, have a good day.
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| 2/16/2009 3:24:47 PM |
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nadirabug
Columbia, TN
age: 59
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Yes, there are trainers and there are trainers. This guy was pretty well known...but that does not mean much. He was more interested in the clients he thought would keep a horse with him tobe shown tan training horses. I had known this guy since I was a kid and it was most disilllusioning.
Putting weight on a horse takes time. I like to use a combo of Rice Bran, a 12% protein or more, horse feed, Source Weight Gain, as it is a probiotic. And of course hay...I am assuming that he has been wormed? Somtimes in horses that have been abused, it is a good idea to have the vet do a blood work up. May be a thyroid problem or otherwise.
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| 2/25/2009 8:36:05 AM |
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misty_rose_7
Harrisburg, MO
age: 59
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Got a couple of yearling appy colts that have never been worked with, both are gentle enough but leading them seems impossible. I'm by myself no helper to help, can you tell me what to do. I've started the circler movement to get them going but that isn't working. Help!
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| 2/27/2009 5:13:41 PM |
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coppermare
Grady, AL
age: 49
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hey there coltstarter, ty for offering help. my question: what is best to feed to put weight on a horse?? i have a rescue horse, and need to put more weight on him, sweet horse, learns fast, now feeding 3 times pr day, he has gained some, but seems to be at a stand still now, just waiting for green grass maybe. can't hardly wait for spring to get here. thanks. summerhen, hope to hear bck soon. take care, have a good day.
Vet checked, teeth floated, then look for fat content. If aged low protein. Several small feedings per day. You may also benefit from adding some oil to her diet.
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| 2/27/2009 5:15:38 PM |
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coppermare
Grady, AL
age: 49
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Got a couple of yearling appy colts that have never been worked with, both are gentle enough but leading them seems impossible. I'm by myself no helper to help, can you tell me what to do. I've started the circler movement to get them going but that isn't working. Help!
Teach them to give to pressure. Any attempt to give, even if it's leaning toward you then release the pressure as a reward. Keep it up and they'll be leading in no time and will carry this throughout the rest of their training such as being tied up.
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| 2/27/2009 5:24:15 PM |
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sueblu
Monticello, KY
age: 50
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Hey Coltstarter, stick with the good thought's of doing less is sometimes the best. I like your way.
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| 2/27/2009 5:36:12 PM |
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sueblu
Monticello, KY
age: 50
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Hey what type of gear do you all favor???? I tend to lean toward the simpler things like: horse hair macate' and bosal set up for regular riding and training. One piece rope halters with a 12 foot lead and popper on end..
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| 2/27/2009 8:44:03 PM |
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drumrman
Las Cruces, NM
age: 44
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my horse pees when it sits down. should this be a concern?
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| 2/28/2009 5:49:51 AM |
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peanut44256
Marion, VA
age: 58
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try using red cell with your feed.i have found that it works well.
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| 2/28/2009 3:55:55 PM |
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rocket000
Murrayville, GA
age: 51
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For optimum health and weight make certain you're on a regular deworming program too.
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| 3/3/2009 5:01:08 PM |
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bigheartedmannc
Danbury, NC
age: 31
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any advice for someone who is looking int the possibilitys of owning horses. my roomate bought a pony recently and then just last week the woman who owned the pony came by and told my roomate that she may have to give up her horse too and prolly would let us have her for free if we wanted her. i have a little over an acre that i have cleared and trying to get grass on it for a pasture we also have a pen apx 60x100 with a 15x20 shelter in it. i really dont know much about horses so any advice you could give would be much apprecieated. i am beginning to do my research to learn about them i just figure since you folks are well experienced you would perhaps be the best folks to ask
thanks in advance tony
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| 3/4/2009 7:09:05 PM |
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jamesbro
Walnut Creek, CA
age: 52
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Thank you coltstarter
I read your entire post and you are a great horse trainer
Horses can be trained
people one the other hand shit there pants all the time
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| 4/9/2009 10:28:00 AM |
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nancydrew59
Ferndale, WA
age: 49
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I posted a thread over in the "pets" forum regarding the "tying up" syndrome. Really hoping you could take a minute and read through the post and give me any thoughts or experience you have had with this. thanks in advance.
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