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1/4/2008 5:51:12 PM	Anybody home?!
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	We're into the caucus and primary season now. Iowa yesterday. New Hampshire next Tuesday. The "games" are underway!!! Anybody have any thoughts, impressions, observations they want to share? Pam Meet singles in your area here at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free for everything! Join now!
1/5/2008 8:13:04 AM	Anybody home?!
jeannie1952 Warrensburg, MO age: 57	I'm still not sure what I think. If I had to vote tomorrow, I have not idea what I would do! I am happy for Obama...first African American and in Iowa! Seems like young people turned out much better than in the past. These are good things. It's time that young people got interested again. Maybe that will shake things up. I don't know what's happened to our passion. I am going to have to start listening a little better and try and make up my mind. How about you? Any advice? I need all the help I can get.
1/5/2008 4:58:33 PM	Anybody home?!
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	Hi Jeannie. Nice to hear from you. I'm still making up my mind, too. At this very moment, I'm watching the debates...and on a Saturday night too! I like the news that young people turned out for the caucuses ...and they cast their votes for the candidate who talks of hope and possibility...Obama. And in Iowa, how about that?! There's hope for us yet. Youth bring passion, energy and new ideas. (Remember the 60s?!) But I'm watching New Hampshire and watching what those "live free or die" folks have to say with their votes. The issues are different for different areas of the country. And then there are generational issues, as well as gender and ethnic issues. The primary outcomes over the next few weeks will be very telling. I try to listen to what the candidates say over time and try to know where they stand. I will make my choice when my state holds its primary on 2/12. I sincerely hope we get a more intelligent and thoughful individual as our next president...who will be our leader, our commander-in-chief and NOT our pastor-in-chief! Hope others will share their thoughts!
1/5/2008 6:01:52 PM	Anybody home?!
fran567 White Horse Beach, MA age: 59	I am not into politic much but I do like Obama. I am just curious Is he black because his father was black or is he white because his mother was white?
1/5/2008 6:04:55 PM	Anybody home?!
fran567 White Horse Beach, MA age: 59	I personally am not interested in Mitt Romney because I'm from Massachusetts and I knew his as Gov. [Edited 1/5/2008 6:16:02 PM PST]
1/5/2008 7:33:32 PM	Anybody home?!
jeannie1952 Warrensburg, MO age: 57	As it's always been, a person with a black parent and a white parent is considered black. He does seem to be an intelligent, caring man. I wish he had more experience. Wish I could forsee the future, things look pretty strange from my view. What do you think?
1/5/2008 8:17:41 PM	Anybody home?!
jeannie1952 Warrensburg, MO age: 57	Pam, great post. I think one thing that has come out of Iowa is the number of interested young people. Something we have not seen in a while. If nothing else, that's great. It will be interesting to see what happens next. I would be great to see college campuses alive with politics as they used to be...a little youthful verve wouldn't kill either party.
1/5/2008 8:25:22 PM	Anybody home?!
yankeeluvspeach Athens, GA age: 31	The more I see of things, the more I'm siding with Obama. Clinton just seems to be too angry, like she thought this was going to be a cake walk and she somehow deserved the nomination hands down. You gotta fight to win my vote. And I DO like that Obama is optimistic. When was the last time we felt GOOD about where the country was headed rather than just comfortable that it wasn't being driven off the edge of a cliff?? I wasn't alive during the 60's and in diapers for the last 2 years of the 70's so I can only know what that was like from books, but I think with 911 and other things, we've lost our faith in our ability to change things for the good. I think we've retracted back too much and put up our defenses, when we need to be opening our arms to embrace our neighboring countries. The Reps/Conservatives will probably call me a hippy/tree-hugger that's willing to risk our national security for a pipe dream, but I guess this is my take... It's always a pipe dream until it happens. Kennedy and others made the moon landing a reality. The Civil Rights movement was labeled likewise... now we can't imagine going BACK to segregation (well at least those of us who don't have swazticas tattooed on our forehead can't) I say bring in the relatively inexperienced guy with a lot of heart and integretty over the consumate politicians any day of the week. He may not get much done, but at least he tried dammit!! He didn't sell his soul for a few dollars more or a few more votes. I'd have loved it if Clinton was on the Republican side, as then we could really stick it to all of those WASP males and give them a choice of Obama or Clinton. A Black man or a White Woman.. no more Good ole white boys fellas sorry. Must have run out. Come back next election, we'll have more in stock then. That's not to say that I'm siding for Obama because he's not white. I really do think he's the best person for the job. [Edited 1/5/2008 8:41:27 PM PST]
1/5/2008 8:32:24 PM	Anybody home?!
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	Glad to see you, yankee. We were worried you were gone from us! Ready to hear your inspired ideas. Pam
1/5/2008 8:45:06 PM	Anybody home?!
yankeeluvspeach Athens, GA age: 31	Thanks Pam. I don't know if I'd call my ideas inspired. In fact, I'm sure if you sneak a peek over in the Republican/conservative group, they'll probably have a few "other" choice words for what they think of my ideas, but thanks for your compliment. Glad to throw my hat in for what I feel is right. You guys rock. I also went back and edited my other post so you can see my take of things there, just in case you don't look back!! The thanks really goes to Jeannie. She was nice enough to send me an email invitation. Just think of me like Batman or something. I don't have super hearing so I might not always know when I'm needed, but give me a sign you need my help or want me to join in and I'll come running... [Edited 1/5/2008 8:49:07 PM PST]
1/5/2008 9:18:59 PM	Anybody home?!
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	Nice to hear from you again, yankee. Your word are are well thought out, as always. I like hearing from everyone in this "season" of politics. I stay away from the Conservative/Republicans group as much as possible because there's too much hate there for me. I have friends who are Republicans and we agree to disagree, and we remain friends. But I do not enter in to free-wheeling discussions with hate mongers. Its a no brainer...and a no win for anyone! Take care, yankee. 'Til next time, Pam
1/5/2008 9:48:35 PM	Anybody home?!
yankeeluvspeach Athens, GA age: 31	Pamela[[[ Nice to hear from you again, yankee. Your word are are well thought out, as always. I like hearing from everyone in this "season" of politics. I stay away from the Conservative/Republicans group as much as possible because there's too much hate there for me. I have friends who are Republicans and we agree to disagree, and we remain friends. But I do not enter in to free-wheeling discussions with hate mongers. Its a no brainer...and a no win for anyone! You and I see eye to eye in that regard Pamela. That's what makes this country so cool is that we have this amazing ability to express our differences and not fear being taking into a back room and beaten. God or whatever force is out there bless that idea up which this country was founded. I've got some friends too who are more conservative, and more religiously guided than myself. I see no problem with that whatsoever. In fact, I applaud them for following what they feel is right. My issue comes in when someone comes off like (and I've seen some people on here how are very crafty at implying on a very subtle level this notion) I HAVE to believe what they beleive or else I'm a blithering idiot! WHAT?? umm.. guess again there sparky! neener neener neener.. Reminds me of a shirt I saw once that said "THINK. While it's still legal."
1/5/2008 9:55:13 PM	Anybody home?!
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	yankee...you're my hero! Thanks for sharing your thoughts...and sense of humor. We need to stir some other folks up and into this group, don't you think? It can't just be 3 or 4 of us here, can it??
1/5/2008 10:07:35 PM	Anybody home?!
yankeeluvspeach Athens, GA age: 31	Pamela, I think you and I are on some kind of frequency tonight.. Cause we seem to be linked. I'm thinking there are more people who feel the same way and either don't know about the groups area, are still learning that the best way to find out about a potential mate is to ironically talk about non-dating stuff, or else are afraid of being singled out and flamed by some of our not so nice hate mongers. Come on people now!! Get off your butt and dance.. oh wait.. sorry just saw a clip from the movie footloose earlier tonight and it's still stuck in my head. And for the record.. I'm just a man, like any other. Y'all are my heros. [Edited 1/5/2008 10:08:13 PM PST]
1/6/2008 3:47:38 PM	Anybody home?!
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	I'm not so sure about Hillary, but you are right about one thing. We have a mess as a result of this bunch in DC now and we have years of clean up to do. I'm inclined to think Obama is peaking too soon. His experience is limited. But his message is taking hold and people are hungry for optimism and hope. I love watching the primaries and I await the results like its personally relevant to me. Nuts, I know, but I love politics, as ugly as it can be sometimes. Pam
1/6/2008 8:59:10 PM	Anybody home?!
jeannie1952 Warrensburg, MO age: 57	I too love politics and get so excited by all the activity. I wanted to love Hillary. I loved Bill Clinton. I think he was a great president who made a really stupid mistake that was none of my business. I know that my major problem with Hillary is that she is just not as believable as Bill and I know that is wrong on my part to compare the two. I also have a bit of concern about the Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton deal. Maybe we need fresh horses. I was sorry to see Joe Biden quit, I really liked him and thought he had the experience and knowledge for the job although he is a bit of a loose cannon. But that's water under the bridge. I've got to go with Obama. He's about as fresh as the horses can get!! Yankee, love the t-shirt. I think I'll have one printed!
1/6/2008 9:01:15 PM	Anybody home?!
jeannie1952 Warrensburg, MO age: 57	Oh, also, welcome fran and qazy(did I spell that right?). The more the merrier. Please express your opinions openly. No one will slap you as long as there is no name calling! Let's have a hearty discussion.
1/7/2008 4:06:06 PM	Anybody home?!
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	I agree with Jeannie...welcome all, even those who would disagree with any of us. We're grown-ups here and won't be nasty or mean. We love debate, discussion, conversation, ideas. And nasty & mean will be ignored - at least by me! Tomorrow is New Hampshire and you can feel the buzz. Is this a great country, or what? No one gets killed as we go through this election process. And we adults get a vote, which we can do freely and without fear of reprisal or intimidation. God Bless America! See, I'm a DEMOCRAT and I love America TOO!!!!!!!! Pam
1/7/2008 7:01:05 PM	Anybody home?!
yankeeluvspeach Athens, GA age: 31	qazyguy[[[I disagree. Everybody knows this is Hillary's time. Obama can wait. He was nobody until recently. Hopefully, we will be smart and take the Veep. The only good thing I can see is that maybe SOME resistance is good just to keep her on her toes. However you feel about the current candidates, ANYONE would be better than the Horror of more Republicans. We have got a lot of Bush's misdeeds to undo before we even START to make progress elsewhere. It's i Free Country, and anyone can run, but if it wasn't for Ralph Nader, Gore would have been president and this country wouldn't have gone down the toilet. I'm sorry, bro, but I'd have to disagree with you. I do agree that it's a good thing that all of the candidates have to fight for the nomination, as I don't think anyone should just be outright HANDED the chance to face off against whoever the republicans put up for election, but I think it's the perfect time to bring in someone fresh and new. To me, Hillary is nothing if not a consumate politician. I just get a vibe that she's constantly sort of scheming. Even in this recent clip that was shown about her... I felt like she was crying crocodile tears, because her advisors had warned her that she was coming off as too angry and aggressive and so she tried to play the flip side of the coin but it backfired as she's still a few years away from winning an academy award I one hundred percent agree with what you're saying about cleaning up the mess left by 8 years of W. I'm still not sure Gore was the best man for the office. And that's exactly why I voted for Nader, as I think with our current system of A or B it's like choosing between Diet Coke and Coke Zero!! You know that pretty much either way you're going to end up with a belly ache and a head ache! (runs for cover now, since Georgia is Coke Central. )
1/7/2008 8:32:46 PM	Anybody home?!
jeannie1952 Warrensburg, MO age: 57	What are they saying about this? I have been occupied today and I really have heard nothing. It is so cheap to use that feminine thing, crying, to get support. I don't think that was a Hillary thing to do. From birth my mother told my to never, under any circumstances, when I was in trouble or in some way put on the spot resort to tears. It is not playing fair and presents a woman as weak. You can go home and cry your eyes out but never let anyone think they made you cry! I agree, she knows better, those were fake emotions. Her face didn't even get red. We have her handlers to thank for that. What a cheap move. I'm disappointed. Just my oppinion.
1/7/2008 9:03:56 PM	Anybody home?!
yankeeluvspeach Athens, GA age: 31	Jeannie, I'm not sure what most people are saying, but I think from what my dad heard about it as he was listening to an audio only version of it on NPR, at least one reporter has commented that it seems pretty transparent as she basically goes right back on the offensive after that... Personally, I think it's OK to cry in public if you NEED too, but like you, I think it's BULL if you're just turning on the waterworks for a manipulation. There are some times where I know it would have been good for someone to let it out, like some vets in that Ken Burns Documentary, but they were afraid of being seen as weak. So long as the pain is genuine, crying/getting choked up, is a sign of our humanity. It's what keeps us from becoming machines! Take that Governator Swartzenagger.. I guess Obama also said today that his doctor told him he's got a severe case of sore throat, and he needs to take it easy for a while on the talking... Let's hope he doesn't come down with laryngitis. (sp?) Hmm... that'd be an interesting use of biological warfare.. Infect your opponent with a mild form of whatever bacteria causes that.. Just kidding. That'd be on par with faking crying. [Edited 1/7/2008 9:04:33 PM PST]
1/8/2008 8:36:26 AM	Anybody home?!
derrickct1 Dayton, OH age: 55	When Ms. Hillary started acting as if she was going to cry, It help me make up my mine for sure. Its not a bad thing to cry, not at all.But dont play me like a FOOL.If thats how she plays the game how else has she trick us. ::idontknow: Same old trick.Did she cry when Bill had to tell the truth? Well I guess running for Pres. is more important that her husban. If she was going to fake crying that was the time.
1/8/2008 10:50:15 AM	Anybody home?!
jeannie1952 Warrensburg, MO age: 57	I agree with both of you. A really cheep time to turn on the water works. Yes, there are times when anyone would cry but this was not it. If she cries when she's tired then she will spend 4 years crying!! I just can't imagine how anyone talked her into it. Where was Bill. Is she not listening to him at all anymore. I think he would have advised against it. I'm not a good judge of this. It has always been a pet peive of mine. When the going gets tough women start crying. Just makes me go GRRRRRRRR!
1/8/2008 2:30:08 PM	Anybody home?!
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	lol...Jeannie, I can hear that GRRRRRRR all the way here on the east coast. I'm not as worked up about Hillary's "moment" as they are calling it. I think she is an interesting woman. She is attempting to break through a barrier that no other woman has been able to do in this country, which makes her a brave woman in my book. The UK had their "Iron Lady" (Margaret Thatcher) who took her fair number of shots for being tough, strong and uncompromising, and she still became their Prime Minister...and remained their Prime Minister for many, many years. She was a force to be reckoned with. We have never been so bold here in the US to allow women to be tough, strong, outspoken and become our elected leaders without the general population demonizing them for it. We demonize strong, competent, outspoken women...and call them all kinds of terrible names, question their intentions for everything they do, and attribute ulterior motives to everything they do. I always wonder about the real reasons for the anti-Hillary rants. Some are simply woman-hating, and some are based on her politics, some are based on whom she is married to, some are based on her positions on issues, some are based on her personality, and some just because "I don't like her!" JMO Peace! Pam [Edited 1/8/2008 2:31:50 PM PST]
1/8/2008 4:33:22 PM	Anybody home?!
jeannie1952 Warrensburg, MO age: 57	I have always wondered why everyone hates Hillary. Don't you think it goes back to when Bill had her devolope the health care plan. From that time on it seems that everyone thought she was just awful! Think how much better off we would have been if that had gone forward and we were using something akin to her plan!!! I think that was an exercise in futility. I even wondered at the time. What president had ever asked his wife to do something that important. I think even then Bill was overestimating their impact on the nation. Oh well, water under the bridge. But I do think that's what started her downfall with the American public. She was just a bit too "Upitty"! I want to like. I've said we needed a woman president for years...but, there's just something wrong with me. This little crying stunt, which I agree is being made too much of, just sort of ices it for me. This is not something she would do. JMO
1/8/2008 4:34:59 PM	Anybody home?!
jeannie1952 Warrensburg, MO age: 57	Have you guys taken that test put out by Minnisota Public Radio? It tells which candidate you most agree with. If you want it I'll email to anyone. Just let me know.
1/8/2008 5:53:44 PM	Anybody home?!
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	Hey jeannie. Please email the test to me. Sounds like fun. And you hit the exact word that sinks most women in politics - and in many other places..."uppity" (however it is spelled. People are wary of women who are uppity. Men play by - and are judged by - different rules and standards. pam
1/9/2008 5:21:49 AM	Anybody home?!
derrickct1 Dayton, OH age: 55	I could never hate Hillary. Infact I like her all the way up to her crying.I just cannot vote for someone who may show up at my door saying(TRICK OR TREAT)The question that made her tear-up was ask by a woman that work for Bill when he ran for Pres.Humm. Q.( How do you get up in the morning and keep going?) Tears. Iam I the only one that feels she let women down? Now men can and will say( See you can not trust women. They will lie and cry everytime. their backs up aginst the wall.) I think better of women.I hope you can see where I am comming from.She DID NOT CRY WHEN BILL HAD MY GIRL UNDER THE DESK.... never act like she would. Iam I missing something here? Please help me understand.I have know problem with a woman Pres. Just dont want one to cry her way into office. ( trick or treat)
1/9/2008 9:57:50 AM	Anybody home?!
yankeeluvspeach Athens, GA age: 31	derrick[[[[I could never hate Hillary. Infact I like her all the way up to her crying.I just cannot vote for someone who may show up at my door saying(TRICK OR TREAT)The question that made her tear-up was ask by a woman that work for Bill when he ran for Pres.Humm. Q.( How do you get up in the morning and keep going?) Tears. Iam I the only one that feels she let women down? Now men can and will say( See you can not trust women. They will lie and cry everytime. their backs up aginst the wall.) I think better of women.I hope you can see where I am comming from.She DID NOT CRY WHEN BILL HAD MY GIRL UNDER THE DESK.... never act like she would. Iam I missing something here? Please help me understand.I have no problem with a woman Pres. Just dont want one to cry her way into office. ( trick or treat) Hey buddy, glad you could make it. Everyone, this is my pal Derrick. He's pretty groovy. I hadn't even thought of that, that Hillary never cried in public with the lewinski scandal but chooses to now? Your comment also makes me think back to my other biggest beef with her. If she's as modern and self-assured a woman as she pretends to be, then why didn't she dump his a** back in the 90's. I don't think it was out of some kind of love or desire to protect Chelsea. My personal opinion, and I acknowledge that this is just an unfounded opinion, is that she was advised that a divorce would alienate her from too many on the religious right so she stayed in... for political ends. That to me is both sad and speaks volumes on just how far she is willing to go to manipulate people into seeing her as a good candidate. I personally would have respected her MORE if she'd have dumped him like a rotten potato. Like you said, I don't hate her, I just don't trust her. And ultimately, that should be fundamental in a democracy, unless you're down right Machiavellian towards politics.
1/9/2008 11:49:31 AM	Anybody home?!
derrickct1 Dayton, OH age: 55	You are right. What card will she play next?What do you women think about what we are saying? As a black man I get very upset if a black person give someone a way to say( see what I mean) Dont get me wrong, I know there are always people that are looking to be a-holes. Understand that.But my god dont give them a way to make it sound true. Women have had to figth foe everything you get in this Country.Do you want Hillary to be your Rep. in such a way?These tricks go way way back. How do you push foward if old tricks are still use?
1/9/2008 5:34:17 PM	Anybody home?!
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	I don't think men get what goes on in the minds and hearts of smart, strong women. Being a smart, strong woman means you take shots all day long. People question your motives. They question your femininity, question your sexual preference, make all kinds of ridiculous assumptions about your likes, dislikes, values, choices, and they call you names - to your face and behind your back. You come to feel you have to wrap yourself in armour to keep safe, certainly to protect yourself and your soft, vulnerable interior places. And they often treat you like you are heartless, inhuman, unreal. Stone-faced. Cold-hearted. I think she was bone-weary, exhausted, worn out, trying not to be discouraged, trying to keep a good face, a positive attitude. Someone asked "how are you?" And she cracked for a moment. I can tell you when I have been working my a** off and giving something my all, and watching people taking shots at me subtly and not so subtly, and feeling like the naysayers, jealous, haters, lazy, nasty would love to see me fail. If someone kindly looked at me and said "How ya doing?" I would cry. I really would cry...and then quick gather myself and get back to what I needed to do. "Never let 'em see you (sweat) cry." What happened in NH was in large part because women went to her aid and supported her - because they saw a glimpse of themselves, and perhaps a glimpse of her heart, and were sick of men and idiotic, mindless women piling on. Piling on with glee. Hillary isn't even my 1st choice candidate and I was cheering for her 'cause too many people like taking shots at her as if she was not human. I was pissed off and wanted to come to her aid....like I'm doing now. Sorry guys. JMHO I still love ya! [Edited 1/9/2008 5:36:19 PM PST]
1/9/2008 6:46:42 PM	Anybody home?!
derrickct1 Dayton, OH age: 55	Hi Pam. I do understand what you are saying. I wouldnt vote for you to run this Country.Did you know the lady that ask the question work in N.H.on Bill election campaign? Do you see how odd that looks? You are right. Is this a smart way to get people to fell just as you do now? I am sure Obama is going through alot,seeing he is the first black person to get this far. History making.So what would we think if he starts to tear up and said,understand I am the first one?You sound like someone who see the big picture. Thank god for that.Do you belive she should be there then? 4 yrs. of tears.Think about that.4yrs of being Pres.of the united states. And look at the mess Bush is leaving. Just think about it.How are you today? tears. Not a good sign hu?
1/9/2008 6:49:29 PM	Anybody home?!
cottagebithec Utica, NY age: 62	Hi Pam, Just came back in here to look around and see if anyone else had joined our ranks in declaring who they are... nadda, zip, no. Has the "powers that be" intimidated the progressive minds to not speak out? I hope not. Have to agree with you and jeanie, because I too, have not made up my mind. I am happy there wasn't a runaway train after Iowa. Yes, they need to earn our votes. At the same time, I'm so proud our country's demographics were and still are represented in the democratic party's line up! I met Hillary when she first ran for Senator of New York. I truly hope she will listen to her own drum in the next few weeks as she continues on her quest for the white house and not remain in the shadow of her husband. The young have been stirred up by Obama, and that is truly wonderful to see! His bid for the White House is pulling people off their butts and getting them to the polls. He seems so comfortable speaking to people... natural leader. I believe one of these(any one of them running)candidates needs to challenge Americans to reach "the moon" again. We need that challenge to bring us all together. The moon this time, for this generation, I believe is energy independence! I'm waiting for one of them to have the courage and integrity to make that challenge to the American people. Yikes... before I finished this and posted, new faces showed up, great! [Edited 1/9/2008 6:58:51 PM PST]
1/9/2008 7:44:54 PM	Anybody home?!
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	Hi cottage. Thanks for joining us! Yes, energy independence. That's a great goal for all of us to embrace. That should rock the world! I am excited about this election. I am not alone in this excitement or here in this forum, thank goodness. There are some good minds that show up here. Some even have the courage to post! Many of our countrymen (and women!) appear to have awakened from their comas and are shocked...I say shocked! ... at the mess that has been created domestically and internationally by this incompetent administration. Progessives are energized. We have a voice again. Yea!!
1/9/2008 8:59:49 PM	Anybody home?!
jeannie1952 Warrensburg, MO age: 57	Yankee, Remember that Hillary was probably less surprised than you and I when Bill had his little incident with Monica! That was nothing new for them. Hillary, I'm sure, has had aspirations for many years. She didn't leave him earlier, she could see at least part of her goal, why would she leave him now. You can judge her in any manner you want but first just stop and think, how would you feel if she were a man.(Why do I feel like I just gave the closing argument from "A time to Kill"!) Politicians are single minded and not much will stand in their way. This is why it would have been so much better if we had never known about what he did, it's none of our business. Of couse, it would have been much better if he had done nothing in the first place!
1/9/2008 9:00:56 PM	Anybody home?!
jeannie1952 Warrensburg, MO age: 57	OH, and I forgot to say, HI Everybody, it's great to see a growing group!
1/9/2008 11:49:35 PM	Anybody home?!
yankeeluvspeach Athens, GA age: 31	WOW.. Things are starting to get hopping in here.. This is how I like it!! Keep it coming guys (used gender neutrally)!! And feel free to invite other people in as well. I say we take this site over!!! VIVA LA REVOLUTION!! JK dustin.. don't banish me!! Lots of things to respond to so I'll start at earliest and work my way down. Bear with me for quoting you guys. I have a piss poor short term memory and unless I do this I forget what I'm responding to.. Derrick[[[[You are right. What card will she play next?What do you women think about what we are saying? As a black man I get very upset if a black person give someone a way to say( see what I mean) Dont get me wrong, I know there are always people that are looking to be a-holes. Understand that.But my god dont give them a way to make it sound true. Women have had to figth foe everything you get in this Country.Do you want Hillary to be your Rep. in such a way?These tricks go way way back. How do you push foward if old tricks are still use?]]] I'd have to agree with Derrick here. Fact is, it's not fair that people judge an individual based on a stereotype, but why give them extra ammo for it, especially if you're just doing it as a way to advance yourself. I could very well be terribly wrong about Hillary, and I'm the first to admit that I've never spoken word one to her in person so I don't know what she's really like, but from what I've seen of her and some of her undercutting remarks addressed towards obama, like "there are some people who think changes are made by hoping for them." after he said he still has hope, and hasn't become a seasoned/jaded politician which is one of the major critiques of him, I frankly think she CAN be a bit ruthless and cold. This isn't really a gender issue as much as a character issue. I likewise conversely respect the HELL out of Obama for not undercutting her for being married to our first successfully impeached president! He's never mentioned that or white water or anything else, although both she and Bill have attacked his integrity. He hasn't called her out on her so called like 30 years of experience that she keeps throwing around. She hasn't had thirty years experience as a senator or the governor of arkansas. She's had many years experience being Bill's wife (which is certainly something to be taken into consideration as I do NOT think he was an easy man to stay married to) and a few years experience as a senator for NY, but ultimately she hasn't had 30+ years of experience calling the shots as she pretends to have had. Pamela[[[[I don't think men get what goes on in the minds and hearts of smart, strong women. Being a smart, strong woman means you take shots all day long. People question your motives. They question your femininity, question your sexual preference, make all kinds of ridiculous assumptions about your likes, dislikes, values, choices, and they call you names - to your face and behind your back. You come to feel you have to wrap yourself in armour to keep safe, certainly to protect yourself and your soft, vulnerable interior places. And they often treat you like you are heartless, inhuman, unreal. Stone-faced. Cold-hearted. I think she was bone-weary, exhausted, worn out, trying not to be discouraged, trying to keep a good face, a positive attitude. Someone asked "how are you?" And she cracked for a moment.]]]] Again pam, I think you're underestimating some of us men folk. I get that it's not easy to be a woman and show a sense of worth and strength and drive without being called an "ice queen", a "dke" (ryhmes with spike) or the dreaded B-word and C-word which I will now avoid using because I too hate the double standard that they cater too. Frankly I think it sucks!! But I don't think that's what happened here. Pamela[[[[I can tell you when I have been working my a* off and giving something my all, and watching people taking shots at me subtly and not so subtly, and feeling like the naysayers, jealous, haters, lazy, nasty would love to see me fail. If someone kindly looked at me and said "How ya doing?" I would cry. I really would cry...and then quick gather myself and get back to what I needed to do. "Never let 'em see you (sweat) cry." What happened in NH was in large part because women went to her aid and supported her - because they saw a glimpse of themselves, and perhaps a glimpse of her heart, and were sick of men and idiotic, mindless women piling on. Piling on with glee. Hillary isn't even my 1st choice candidate and I was cheering for her 'cause too many people like taking shots at her as if she was not human. I was pissed off and wanted to come to her aid....like I'm doing now. Sorry guys. JMHO I still love ya!]]]]] See, I think that's the beauty of life, is that 2 people can watch the same 2 minute clip and get 2 totally different interpretations. Neither one is better or right.. just different. I'm all for it if it was a genuine break down of emotion. We are after all flesh and blood, and not machines and I for one wouldn't have it any other way. And if the reason you listed was why the New Hampshire democrats supported her the other day then by all means I applaud their sensativity and I'll be the first to appologize to her in heaven if I find out it was genuine. I just get the feeling that the whole thing was coached to make her appear more amicable because she's gone too far on the attack. Hell, I wish more MEN were allowed to show the so called "weak" (don't get me started on how stupid and twisted this is) emotions of sadness, grief, etc. I'd applaud any person that allowed him/herself to feel pain in public where it needed to be expressed. I think Bidden is a perfect example of that. The man lost his wife and daughter in a car accident and he basically said he wanted to kill himself over it for a time, but his love for his surviving sons kept him going! That to me took a lot of guts and integrety on his part. He put himself out there and might have lost some votes for it, but at least it was the GD truth. With Clinton... I'm not so sure. To be honest with you, I hope I'm way off the mark on this one. I hope I'm just completely misreading her and she's actually really a great person, but I guess it's just a cautious nature that leads me to suspect her. Right now, I trust her just about as much as I trust the mayor from my old stomping grounds, Mayor Daley.. There's just something about that guy that gets the hairs on the back of my neck up.. His smile is just a little too polished. He's glib. Like a used car salesperson, and I get the same vibe from Hillary. That's all I'm trying to say. But like we're all saying, isn't it great that we can all disagree and not feel attacked? God love you guys for the peace loving people that you are... It's telling me to restrict my post to less than 7500 characters so I'll try to post more in another one..
1/10/2008 12:09:06 AM	Anybody home?!
yankeeluvspeach Athens, GA age: 31	Derrick[[[[Hi Pam. I do understand what you are saying. I wouldnt vote for you to run this Country. Did you know the lady that ask the question work in N.H.on Bill election campaign? Do you see how odd that looks? You are right. Is this a smart way to get people to fell just as you do now? I am sure Obama is going through alot,seeing he is the first black person to get this far. History making.So what would we think if he starts to tear up and said,understand I am the first one?You sound like someone who see the big picture. Thank god for that.Do you belive she should be there then? 4 yrs. of tears.Think about that.4yrs of being Pres.of the united states. And look at the mess Bush is leaving. Just think about it.How are you today? tears. Not a good sign huh?]]]] I agree, I think Obama was the one thing she wasn't expecting to have to face, another person who was a minority first timer like her and so she doesn't have any real strong tricks up her sleeve to combat him. Especially since he's been able to capture the younger generation's enthusiasm. At the risk of envoking cliches, I guess if you consider politics a form of war, the old saying, all's fair in love and war... But I personally tend to shy away from uses of ALL (and as I was mentioning to someone in an email just a few minutes ago) NEVER and those encompassing words. In short, I think we need to be careful about encouraging people to use every dirty trick they can get their hands on to get into office. As much as I believe that what happened between Bill and Hillary and Lewinsky should have STAYED between them, you do have to wonder about a future leaders values. And this is coming from me, a person who thinks that Bill did a hell of a job balancing the budget, and otherwise leading the country in his 2 terms. Frankly.. I'm just not sure.. I do know that I'd have to disagree with Derrick here. I would vote for Pamela if she ran for office.. PAM for 2012!!!! Cottage[[[[Just came back in here to look around and see if anyone else had joined our ranks in declaring who they are... nadda, zip, no. Has the "powers that be" intimidated the progressive minds to not speak out? I hope not. Have to agree with you and jeanie, because I too, have not made up my mind. I am happy there wasn't a runaway train after Iowa. Yes, they need to earn our votes. At the same time, I'm so proud our country's demographics were and still are represented in the democratic party's line up! I met Hillary when she first ran for Senator of New York. I truly hope she will listen to her own drum in the next few weeks as she continues on her quest for the white house and not remain in the shadow of her husband. The young have been stirred up by Obama, and that is truly wonderful to see! His bid for the White House is pulling people off their butts and getting them to the polls. He seems so comfortable speaking to people... natural leader. I believe one of these(any one of them running)candidates needs to challenge Americans to reach "the moon" again. We need that challenge to bring us all together. The moon this time, for this generation, I believe is energy independence! I'm waiting for one of them to have the courage and integrity to make that challenge to the American people. I agree with Cottage here. It's not that I think Hillary's somehow inherently the spawn of satan or something, I just think she's gotten some bad advice, maybe had some bad role models growing up or something, and needs to learn to look into her heart and follow that. Ultimately, most people when you get right down to it want to be good people and do right by their fellow human beings and mother earth. Here's to hoping she can do that.. And I completely agree with your Obama "moon" analogy, in fact others have compared him to Kennedy both for his youth and his sense of hope. And how sweet would that be, if we could become truly energy independant or at least only relying on non-renewables as a "back-up" rather than providing the BULK of our energy. Pamela [[[[I am not alone in this excitement or here in this forum, thank goodness. There are some good minds that show up here. Some even have the courage to post! Many of our countrymen (and women!) appear to have awakened from their comas and are shocked...I say shocked! ... at the mess that has been created domestically and internationally by this incompetent administration. Progessives are energized. We have a voice again. Yea!!]]] Yeah, I think a big part of the coma's source is the press, especially the tv networks. I think they mentioned in that film "Why We Fight" that one thing the Military Industrial Complex learned from Vietnam was to keep the corpses out of Americans' living rooms, either of American troops or our "enemies." Just in case anyone missed it, I think you can still watch it through this link if you have a fast enough connection... pt1 http://www.livevideo.com/video/XcorpioDC/7E017F58DED44C9F9F4A650E44982365/why-we-fight-1-4.aspx pt2 http://www.livevideo.com/video/XcorpioDC/206766D6E95B40BFAC9728BB15021CB9/why-we-fight-2-4.aspx pt3 http://www.livevideo.com/video/XcorpioDC/5D694962B3EF4032B959143A857000E1/why-we-fight-3-4.aspx pt4 http://www.livevideo.com/video/XcorpioDC/9FD0FD7DDB3842B990938AFD3B2EE12A/why-we-fight-4-4.aspx Jeanie[[[[Remember that Hillary was probably less surprised than you and I when Bill had his little incident with Monica! That was nothing new for them. Hillary, I'm sure, has had aspirations for many years. She didn't leave him earlier, she could see at least part of her goal, why would she leave him now. You can judge her in any manner you want but first just stop and think, how would you feel if she were a man.(Why do I feel like I just gave the closing argument from "A time to Kill"!) Politicians are single minded and not much will stand in their way. This is why it would have been so much better if we had never known about what he did, it's none of our business. Of couse, it would have been much better if he had done nothing in the first place!]]]] Not sure why you feel like Mathew Mchonahey there Jeannie.. But to answer your question, if my sense of self awareness is at all on target I can honestly say I'd feel the same way if she was a he. This single mindedness which you speak of is exactly what has me worried about democracy. I'm beginning to think that a comedian I heard many years ago had it right.. we should pick presidents like we pick juror members... Picture a guy walking down to his mail box opening it up and seeing the letter and says.. awwww F*ck.. I gotta be president this week. Bet I can get out of it! Because right now, all we're really doing is giving power to people who tend to gravitate towards it, not necessarily those who know how to use it the best.
1/10/2008 3:40:42 AM	Anybody home?!
cottagebithec Utica, NY age: 62	Thanks jeanie and pam for the welcome... came in this group when it first started and it was so empty, your voice echoed when you spoke. Good to see you derrik and qazy Yankee, took me 3 weeks to read that post. Thanks for your reply. [Edited 1/10/2008 3:43:59 AM PST]
1/10/2008 3:58:45 AM	Anybody home?!
derrickct1 Dayton, OH age: 55	Hello everyone. Pam I would vote for you too.I can tell your heart is in the right place. Yankee I hope we are both wrong.I to think she is one hell of a woman.She has my respect that way. I like the old Hillary better.I just dont want her to get caught up in dirty politics.I like Bill too. He is the best Pres. we have had.I wish they both would stop the dirt.I still can not vote for her now.In truth she had my vote at first.I am just one vote but I must vote for integrity. I dont hear change with Hillary, just another same old way to play the game to get what she wants.Obama shows class by not letting them pull him into the dirt with them.I hope he stay that way.We will see.
1/10/2008 2:53:58 PM	Anybody home?!
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	Yankee...you are the man! It takes a while to wind my way through your posts and your thinking, but I love your ideas and the excellent skills you have in expressing those ideas! We may not always agree, but I'll fight for the right for us to say what we believe and disagree whenever we feel the need to do so. And I will promise to always do it with respect and integrity. (Another reason why I love all of you!!) As we see the field shrink as candidates leave the race (Biden, Richardson and Dodd are now gone), what are your thoughts about who might rise to, or be tapped to serve as... Secretary of State Secretary of Defense Secretary of Labor Secretary of Homeland Security Secretary of Health & Human Services See, I'm assuming a Democrat will win in 2008 and will occupy the Whitehouse on 1.20.09. (I have memorized that date and have a bumper sticker on the back window of my car to remind me everyday that it's "Bush's Last Day.") You thoughts, my friends?? Peace, Pam Pam
1/10/2008 10:00:49 PM	Anybody home?!
jeannie1952 Warrensburg, MO age: 57	Yankee, My reference was an attempt at humor. Remember in Mathew's closing argument to the jury when he was retelling the story of how the rape and attempted murder of the little girl took place? He asked the jury to close their eyes, told the story and then said,"Now imagine that she was white!" Sorry, guess only I got it...sort of silly anyway!!! Pam, I can't decide who I'm voting for for president, don't start with me on a cabinet!!!! Ha! Do you think Biden would take a position? I think he has so much to offer. I know, even you guys are probably sick of hearing me sing his praises. I know my friends have all told me to get over it. Let's get it started...what do you think? Let's start a list of possibilities. How about let's start with vice president...who would Hillary pick...or Obama? It would be kind of fun to second guess them, don't you think?
1/11/2008 4:44:05 AM	Anybody home?!
derrickct1 Dayton, OH age: 55	Hi all. I can see Hillary or Obama as the Vice. I hope they come together.Man would,nt that be something.do you think that would work? The Dems. are going to get a mess who ever gets in is going to have a real big mess.Do you all think they can clean it up in 4yrs.?I too am happy to meet people like you all.Its nice to know there are people that think for themselves. Bless all of you.Iam not running for office.
1/11/2008 4:46:45 AM	Anybody home?!
derrickct1 Dayton, OH age: 55	Oh Cottage. My son look at your picture and ask me if you were a judge.
1/11/2008 6:27:30 AM	Anybody home?!
jeannie1952 Warrensburg, MO age: 57	Derrick, I had always kind of thought that Clinton and Obama or Obama and Clinton would work but I'm thinking that it might get pretty dirty between them. I hope not but it looks like that's where it's headed. Can they trash each other for months and then work together? You know, when I first saw Cottage's picture I thought of a judge also! Isn't that funny?!?
1/11/2008 10:04:33 AM	Anybody home?!
derrickct1 Dayton, OH age: 55	Yea, My son ask the question so I look at her profile to see.I dont think they can work together now. Bill and Hillary went at him hard.I must say Obama has stay pretty cool. I do like his class.Even with her tears. I saw him on the today show I think thats what it was. Anyway they ask him about the tears and what did he think about it. Obama went around the question as if to say( Iam not here for dirt) He stayed on point.I just hope everyone stay on top of whats going on. Even after we get a new Pres.We have to watch them all.I also worry that if Hillary gets the nodd, it will put a Rep. back in office. Obama too. Our we ready for this as a Country? What a queastion to ask in the year 2008.
1/11/2008 10:51:21 AM	Anybody home?!
jeannie1952 Warrensburg, MO age: 57	Sure glad Obama is taking the high road. It's about time that someone does. You know, I really think the country IS ready for a change. I do worry a little about some crazy harming Obama. But I guess in the big picture, someone has to go first. It's going to be hard but maybe he is well equiped to handle the pressure. At least this is going to be very, very interesting!
1/11/2008 11:18:03 AM	Anybody home?!
derrickct1 Dayton, OH age: 55	This is true Jean.I hope you are right. Iam ready.Its time we see humans not colors or man, woman. I guess its ok to see. Just dont over react. I dont even know if Iam saying this right. I know what I mean. Sounds like Bush. Hes the only one who knows what he means. Oh my god,Iam starting to sound like little BushHelp me.
1/11/2008 4:44:55 PM	Anybody home?!
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	Derrick, you'll be alright. You already know how to think better than our illustrious leader I think we are all fine examples of good Americans. We ask good questions. We care about real issues and how issues affect real people. I think the politics of fighting for the nomination may make a ticket of Clinton and Obama - or Obama and Clinton impossible. They will beat each other up too much to allow a ticket with both of them to happen. I'm thinking Bill Richardson is the VP choice. Good guy. Great foreign experience (hostage negotiations). Former cabinet secretary (Energy). Former Ambassador to United Nations. Current Governor. Latino. He's the complete package. Biden's a good man, Jeannie. His Foreign Relations Committee experience makes him a perfect candidate for Secretary of State. I believe he has served so long as a senator from Delaware, I'm guessing he's ready for a change. He already lives in DC most of the time anyway. With the country going into recession, the prospects for a Democratic victory increase. And we are in a recession, according to most working Americans. Things are tough out there. I'm a social worker and I can tell you the "welfare" applications are increasing, which is a sign of a soft, sinking economy. We see numbers of "welfare" applications rise, stress on and chaos in families rise, child abuse/neglect increases within families. I've been around a long time. Tough times hurt families, particularly families that live paycheck-to-paycheck and are on the edge of poverty every day. Watching how the candidates remember these people is significant to me. There are millions of people in this country living on the edge of poverty. And nevermind the millions who cannot pay their mortgages and will face foreclosure in the coming months. Tough times. Our candidates must address these real issues. And Republicans - the party of white men in suits - have NO CLUE how to address these issues -- they can only talk about the following "boogiemen" "issues: ... 9-11 September 11 jihad illegals border security building a wall terrorism tax cuts Ronald Reagan Ronald Reagan militant Islam Ronald Reagan Am I right? Am I wrong? Tell me friends what your thoughts are! Pam [Edited 1/12/2008 8:53:42 AM PST]
1/11/2008 4:48:40 PM	Anybody home?!
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	And cottage, you DO look like a judge! And I believe you have a judge's temperment. Maybe there is a message here .. and a possible professional track. And Derrick, does your son have an opinion about all of this? How old is he? What does he think? If he's an adolescent or adult, I'd like to know what he thinks. Ask him to weigh in. Pam
1/11/2008 10:02:47 PM	Anybody home?!
jeannie1952 Warrensburg, MO age: 57	Pam, you are so right. And, how about the language of fear. No wonder I'm paranoid! How long was it after 9/11 that every time it rained that stupid fear factor/color meter went up? Notice we don't do that any more! Isn't that odd. Guess we don't have any terror alerts now...that's good. The "invasion" from Mexico is another fear tactic. What invasion!?!? If there weren't so many jobs available for illegals, then there wouldn't be any illegals here. They have used terrorism in one form or another to sway the country. Even normal people were a bit leary...who's to know, you assume the government know more than we do but sadly, we were wrong. I was talking to my best friend from elementary school tonight and she said, "What's happened to Cheney? Is he dead or just in hiding?" We haven't heard from him in months. What's the deal? Thanks for picking my guy, Joe for secretary of state. I sort of thought of him in that role but thought I was just wishing. We should eventually firm up a list and see how well we do in reality! That would be fun.
1/12/2008 1:29:15 PM	Anybody home?!
derrickct1 Dayton, OH age: 55	Hi all. Pam yes my son and I talk all the time. He is 16 yrs. I thank god he has been with all of his life. He ask If the people in N.H. are so smart with how they pick who they vote for ,then how did they fall for the tear trick. I had know answer.He also thinks the Rep. party would stop his friendship with some of his best friends if they had their way.When I ask him to explane he said( As a whole they are a party for white rich men that has no respect for others, The greenhouse effects and things like that.He express to me that he thinks Rep. party only thinks about them selves right now and are too dumb to look at the furture.He has friends from all sides of the fence and thinks thats the way it should be.I love my son.
1/12/2008 1:37:22 PM	Anybody home?!
derrickct1 Dayton, OH age: 55	Oh, Started talking about my boy and forgot.Chaney is always there. If you look hard enought you can see Bush sitting on Cheney Knee.In fact I question who Bush real dady is.T e one they tell us is could be. They look alike. Maybe Bush is just Dcks dummy on the knee.Or we just have two dcks in office at the sametime.
1/12/2008 2:31:15 PM	Anybody home?!
cottagebithec Utica, NY age: 62	Hello friends, Derrick pulled me back here with his son's remarks about me looking like a judge. Eeeeeeek! But, you all aren't the first ones to say that here. As far as a future career. I'm retired, but have certainly acted as a mediator during my career and had to make some difficult judgments. My personality leans toward having everything in balance and seeing both sides of issues. The truth as far as the facts (black and white)are important to my decisions, but I can also see the whole picture most of the time which makes most everything gray. Does that make sense? Drives my friends crazy, when I play the advocate. Getting on track here. I love reading all of your posts about politics! You're all progressive in your thinking and I like that. Richardson. Now this is the man I was excited about in the beginning... last fall. He has the most extensive experience. At this point, I think he's out of the picture for President, but I like your idea Pam, about VP. I see him serving with either Obama or Hillary. John Edwards interests me too. I like what he has been saying about the special interest groups and the poor for over a year now, before anyone else. The problem is, believe it or not, he's a white, good looking, man and I think that is working against him in some way. The pendulum has swung. Who'd a thought it? I would like to see him serve in the cabinet. Jon Paul as Secretary of State. He admits our Foreign Policy over the past several decades has brought us to this war on terror. How's that for a conundrum! Does anyone think a Democrat President will use Al Gore in any significant way?
1/12/2008 3:09:56 PM	Anybody home?!
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	Great question, cottage! Hmmmm, Al Gore being called upon by the next Democratic admin. I wonder if there's enough "room" in the rooms, so to speak, for all of the egos. Politicians have enormous egos and the newly elected Dem might not want to share the stage with the now super-star Gore. I'll ponder that a while, cottage. Thanks for that!! Derrick...nice to hear your son's thoughts. Please share these posts with him. We're strictly PG and we might all learn from each other. I'd like to hear what he's thinking. I have a 17 year old daughter who has very diverse friends - she works with and is now friends with Arabic-speaking Egyptians who are also sunni muslim. She and I have made it a point to learn about and understand their culture, religion, holidays and customs. It has been interesting and fascinating. She and I have some great conversations about politics and politicians. She hates hearing kids her age spout off opinions they clearly got from their parents and have no idea what they are talking about. She is a gutsy kid and challenges them about what they are talking about and what are the issues and facts that bring them to their conclusions. She challenges them to THINK for themselves and develop ideas of their own. Like you love your son and are proud of him, Derrick, I love my daughter and am proud of her. We are raising the next generation of critical thinkers. Lord knows, our country needs more of those. As for Cheney, the dark force that he is, he is always there, looming in the shadows, pulling the strings and using his considerable influence. He is omnipresent, but his ego doesn't require spotlights (he prefers darkness). He allows others to be in the light, he works and remains in the shadows. And I am sorry to say, he lives part-time only an 1 and 1/2 away from me on Maryland's Eastern Shore on expensive (Chesapeake Bay) waterfront property, in a mega house he can now afford because of his very powerful connections and the money he (and Rumsfeld, his neighbor) earned through their powerful and lucrative connections to the military subcontractors Bush and Cheney continue to make rich in what has become Bush's War. He is squired around in large black SUVs with dark windows and with an entourage in additional large black SUVs with black windows. I know this because I have seen it as he and his entourage have swept through St Michaels, a small town he lives very near on the Eastern Shore. Its creates quite a stir when he (and Rumsfeld) come into town, Secret Service and all, and have dinner. Secret Service officers everywhere, in the kitchens of the restaurants they dine in. Big doo dah deal, he is. Funny what a simple boy from Cheyene (sp) Wyoming can accomplish if he stays in and around the halls of power long enough and becomes pals with the powerbrokers. You don't get that rich being a humble public servant.
1/13/2008 1:22:08 AM	Anybody home?!
yankeeluvspeach Athens, GA age: 31	Hey guys, just going to pop in here to throw a few ideas out there. I'm so happy to see this group taking off. We may not be as strong or as popular as the Republican side on this site, but I for one still think we're their equal. Here's my questions/ideas. Someone mentioned involving Gore? Tell me I'm not the only one who's thinking he would ROCK as Secretary of Energy! Big question is can we get him to climb back into the politcal pig sty now that he's finally got the stink of it washed off him.. Secondly, watching Edwards interact with Obama in a debate the other day, I started thinking maybe HE would make the ideal candidate for Obama's V.P. He's got enough of a "religious while still being liberal" vibe going that he may help to sway some of the more conservatives over to our side. Then I was thinking of Richardson as Sect. of Labor. God knows we've got a mine field to negotiate in the coming years with our immigration/labor situation. Maybe having someone who's part Latino wouldn't be an all bad thing. I'm also wondering if maybe.. and this might get a reaction from some of y'all, but maybe Obama could get Colin Powell to accept a secretary of Defense position. I'm hoping that Powell has become enough disillusioned with the Reps that he'd consider switching sides, and I think he'd be an extremely competant military advisor, should that need arise, although to be honest with you, I think sadly, the most of whoever get's elected in 2008's 4 years in office will be spent carefully tiptoing OUT of this SNAFU of a minefield we've seemed to have walked into in Iraq. But Powell seems to be a man who ultimately has our troops' safety foremost in his mind, which is what we so desperately need right now. Get Biden or whoever to negotiate with the local government, but have Powell there for military decisions if we need him. Just an idea. As far as Hillary is concerned.. I really hope the two of them could work out their differences once the primaries are finally decided one way or another, as I don't think we have a huge selection of competant politicians laying around although don't tell the Reps. I just said that. I was thinking she might do a decent job as Secretary of Health and Human Services... what do you guys think? Also, I'm curious as to everyone's reaction to Senator Kerry giving the old and getting behind Obama. Sort of inadvertantly snubbing his old running mate Edwards, by doing so. Gotta respect him for taking that stance despite not having much to politically gain from it. Also, in response to Derrick and Jeannie and everyone else's comments about Obama's "clean campaign" I have to say, Hell Yeah. If nothing else, say what you want about Obama, the man's got some class, some dignity to him. No matter how this all boils out, NO ONE can take that away from him. And Pam, I couldn't agree more with your sentiment about those buzzwords. To me the most surprising thing about all of this just exactly HOW easy it was to dupe the American people into going along with all of this.. You guys might laugh at this, but I had a sneaking suspicion something was going to happen when I started seeing all of these previews for movies like "Pearl Harbor" "Wind Talkers" and "We Were Soldiers" coming soon. I'm becoming more convinced that Hollywood and D.C. are intimate bedfellows and we could care less. [Edited 1/13/2008 1:47:14 AM PST]
1/13/2008 10:19:58 AM	Anybody home?!
pamela0324 Pasadena, MD age: 56	yankee...missed hearing from you! Where ya been? Hope you have been having some fun. Let me see if I can keep up with you. Yes, Obama has run a classy campaign and I admire his finesse. I hope it continues. I could support this man with no reservations. Hillary will never (in my opinion) take a Secretary position. She has her eyes on the prize and anything less will not do. She stay the senator from NY until...whatever and whenever happens. Edwards' campaign, who BTW is my candidate for now, is not looking too hopeful. I think he also has his eyes on the prize and won't accept a Secretay position. He's young enough, and has enough personal wealth, he can stay at his home in Chapel Hill and work at his Poverty Center at UNC-Chapel Hill until a "right time" comes again. Richardson is a man with so much potential. He would serve - and do so with skill and integrity - anywhere he lands. Biden is my man for State. Hands down! His experience speaks for itself. I can only hope he has learned when to speak - and when NOT to speak - a critical skill for a diplomat! Powell for Defense. yankee ... inspired casting!! Yes, he might just be the man for the job! I also believe he is smart enough to see the mess his former employers have created, I hope his honor will push him into doing something when the next crew comes into town on 1.20.09. I admire him and respect him. He would be a great addition to the next administration. Our Democrats/Liberals is not as big a group, but I'll wager we are better informed, more civil, and more articulate. That Republicans/Conservative group has a lot of haters there. I read their threads from time to time, and am very tempted to throw something in there, but I am finally wise (and old, ur "mature") enough to refrain and leave them and their hate (shallow, misguided and misinformed as it is!) alone. Derrick, what's your take or your son's on all of this? Jeannie, what say you? And to the others who read any of this and stay silent, please weigh in. We want to hear from you. Pam
1/13/2008 10:50:46 AM	Anybody home?!
derrickct1 Dayton, OH age: 55	Pam, I think you are on point.As far as I can see its better to move on and get ridd of all the old school.Thats why I didnt speek on it. If Obama should win I feel he should pick from the unknowns. If you bring in the same shit for back up you end up with the same shit. Change must be across the board.As it has be pointed out there are those who will play apart to get what they want.Will these people set you up for a fall? Think about it.
1/14/2008 8:27:16 AM	Anybody home?!
derrickct1 Dayton, OH age: 55	Hi, did anyone see Hillary on meet the press. If so ,what did you think?
1/14/2008 11:44:41 AM	Anybody home?!
jeannie1952 Warrensburg, MO age: 57	A friend of mine told me about it and I assume it will be repeated sometime this week. I can't comment now but it sounded like something we needed to see! I'm sick I missed it. How you doing today? Maybe by night I will know more.

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