| 7/29/2008 4:57:15 PM |
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captpappy
Morgan City, LA
age: 54
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Seeing that the other thread dealing with this has gone into 6 pages, I felt this was worthy of it's own thread.
The heart of the ISSUE!
Most Christians become very passionate over this topic. Why?
Most Christians that have professed Christ as their savior remain aware of their human sinful nature. It becomes a constant battle to leave behind those sinful things we did before we accepted Christ and begin/try to walk the way He would have us walk.
Most Christians understand that willfully continuing those sins after accepting Christ “short circuits” the ability of God's Spirit to live within us or at the very least, keeps us from hearing God's voice within us.However, it seems that a lot of “Rainbow Christians” do not admit to themselves or the world around them that their sexual preference is even a sin in the eyes of God!
We've all heard it!
“I was born that way!”; “I can't help who I'm attracted to – affection for another is God's way”
... and ...
“The Bible doesn't say anything against homosexuality”
THIS is what Christians are pounding their fists over, not the person but the person's mistaken belief that their continued sexual lifestyle is not a sinful lifestyle, and the fact that they are trying to "teach" this mistaken belief to the Christian community!
Here's God's word on the subject: (Read it and understand.)
Leviticus chapter 20; Verse13:
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Romans Chapter 1; Verse 27, 28
27: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28: And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
I usually let the words speak for themselves - either you see the truth, or you don't, but I feel I must do this in this case:
Another, more "plain English" way of saying that last phrase in verse 27 - and for them to accept (in their minds) that this is "OK" or part of God's plan.
One last word:
Just remember, God destroyed an entire community/city/group of people not only for homosexuality and other sexual deviations, but also for the ACCEPTANCE of those things as a "normal" way of life !!!
Only Lot understood this lifestyle was against God and only Lot was saved from it's destruction.
[Edited 7/29/2008 5:15:52 PM]
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| 7/29/2008 8:00:56 PM |
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llfuzzball
Denver, CO
age: 43
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It is impossible and an oxymoron.
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| 8/2/2008 8:12:10 AM |
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tristanludlow
Austin, TX
age: 31
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First, the word paradox does NOT mean "impossibility", rather an amazing possibility that became an actuality - like the fact that the tragic suffering of Christ and our participation in his death on account of our sin, he used to bring about our redemption.
Second, can a sinner with a clearly biblically-unacceptable vice, still love Christ (say an alcoholic as an alternate example). I think so. Unfortunately, the views of the world are very influential on weak-minded personalities, and they believe their rainbow position is right because they mean to be accepting and empathetic in thier principles. There is much we ought to consider when judging others - there is no such thing as a simple matter when it comes to understanding the most complex and awe-inspiring creation the Lord ever made - the human person.
[Edited 8/2/2008 8:12:58 AM]
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| 8/2/2008 8:40:53 AM |
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knightnyte2
Spring, TX
age: 55
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capt, not a single one of us is without sin. As Christians, we acknowledge our sins and do out best not to repeat them. As King David said in one of the Psalms, he sins when he doesn't even know he sins. Christ, the Son of our Living God, tells us when we break one commandment, we've broken them all. But still, the difference is we try to keep God's Commandments and sin no more.
God gave us specific commandments about all sin. Is this sin worse than another? I think not, in the eyes of God. However, man's laws in the beginning were patterned after God's Laws. The 10 Commandments we all know about are only a small portion of the Laws from God. I believe, there are some 642 laws. (Someone correct me and give us the number if you please.) In certain cases, God was pretty direct in the punishment of many crimes, against him, and mankind. This is one of those times.
Though you and I are no better as sinners, living in sin is a sin. When that supreme court in CA granted gays the rights to marry, I do not see it as anything other than these people trying to justify themselves in the eyes of the world and mankind.
There are examples of many who have overcome this lifestyle. I admire them. By the same token, there are thieves & murderers, who have overcome their sin and I admire them as well.
We've had churches split over these type issues. Paul is specific when he tells us of the ministers and leaders in our churches who supposed to lead us. A gay person is not one of them. If a man or woman has left that sin on the altar for forgiveness and stays away from that lifestyle, the slate is clean with God and man. To continue to live that lifestyle, and flaunt it over us at church or Christians in general, that's not acceptable.
these people tell us it's the natural order and they were born with it. Even showing examples of animals who resort to some gay activity. Well, God put us in charge over animals. He didn't tell us to act as one.
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| 8/2/2008 3:54:09 PM |
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captpappy
Morgan City, LA
age: 54
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Knight, I was not trying to say that someone caught up in a gay lifestyle can not come to understand God and be born again. I acknowledge that we all have our stumbling stones.
As you point out, Knight, and as I said previously, there are many who have accepted Christ and left their sins behind.
... but that is the important part of my stand! Accepting the Grace of God is not a license to continue to sin, willfully. A murderer, a thief, a pedophile, a Satanist, ... anything you can think of ... can come to Christ, but the knowledge that their former lifestyle or vice is a sin in God's eyes and their newly found Christian heart should cause them to (at least try to) leave that lifestyle/vice behind.
That statement does not deny the fact that Satan can use the desires of that former lifestyle to tempt one who has found Christ and accepted Him into their heart; otherwise we wouldn't have terms like "back-sliding".
To me, one who calls himself Christian and in the same breath says he is a practicing homosexual is as much an impossibility as a practicing Christian Wiccan. You can only serve one Lord. A person can read the Bible, know who Christ is, and yet, not actually commit themselves to following Him and His teaching.
I believe that everyone has the right to live however they choose and it is not my place to judge them on their choice.
... but I also believe in standing firmly (in spite of growing social pressures) for the truth. God calls homosexuality an “abomination” and I question those who would make claims otherwise. If they dispute this when it's clearly stated in the Bible, then I suspect they are not accepting the whole Word of God.
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Tristanludlow;
although Websters lists several similar definitions I refer you to this one – the one I intended.
paradox: ... b:a self-contradictory statement that at first seems true;
[Edited 8/2/2008 4:18:14 PM]
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| 8/2/2008 4:38:33 PM |
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captpappy
Morgan City, LA
age: 54
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I would point out one more thing:
God has stood firmly on this issue since He told Moses how to handle this particular sin – some 4000 years ago, and God is the same now as He always was and always will be.
It's only mankind that has changed it's acceptance on this in the past 40 years. We can change our opinions all we want but changing our minds does not change God's mind. Denying that denys the very nature of God.
[Edited 8/2/2008 4:41:26 PM]
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| 8/2/2008 5:44:46 PM |
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knightnyte2
Spring, TX
age: 55
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capt.. in the past 40 years, we've removed God from our schools. Those who oppose God being there, said it was a distraction to them. We can say now, you've proved it just how much of a distraction it's been in the past 40 years.
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| 8/4/2008 12:12:43 PM |
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captpappy
Morgan City, LA
age: 54
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Agreed!... and I will be bold enough to take it one step further:
I don't think it's law yet but teachers are currently recommended to “speak favorably” in schools about the gay and lesbian lifestyle. The morning classroom Lord's prayer and Pledge of Allegiance to this country are being systematically replaced by encouragement to our kids to live deviant and abominable lives in the sight of God.
Laws are being considered as we speak on the state, federal and international levels that would make these very comments illegal under the heading of “hate crimes” and “attempting to incite genocide of a minority”. Those laws have already been passed in several provinces of Canada, Brasil, and at least two US states! If the International Criminal Court had a mind, because this web site and these forums are published internationally, they could send “peace keepers” to my door, above and beyond US Constitutional laws, and haul me away for starting this thread.
That's not paranoia. These are the things our trusted government has endorsed and sanctioned in the last 7 years in an attempt to become part of and comply with the “global community”!
Satan knows human nature a lot more than we give him credit for and has the patience to turn the world from God one tenth of a degree at a time.
[Edited 8/4/2008 12:20:20 PM]
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| 8/4/2008 2:28:01 PM |
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knightnyte2
Spring, TX
age: 55
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I think i've mentioned this before that i have gay neighbors. I wish to say, other than their lifestyle, they are some of the best neighbors one could ask for. We, all the close neighbors, help each other.
We've talked religion and one admits that he knows his lifestyle is not right with God. I have not said a single word and he brings it up, not me. He asked me what i thought about CA and the gay marriages. I asked him right back, are you going out and get hitched? He said, no, that's silly of these guys and gals to do it. When they promote the benefits they receive by being married, is rubbish. A will takes care of the inheritance. A living will takes care of the medical issues. Wills can be written and notarized for under $50. The same with a living will. Most companies already recognize 'companion' under company benefits and insurance coverage.
All in all, it's an 'in your face' by the minority who wants recognition. Though many will not recognize or acknowledge our nation's morals are God based, our country is quickly going to hell in a hand basket. Our schools are a joke, or politicians are a joke, and many of our churches are becoming so 'modernized', they are a joke as well.
We serve God. God doesn't have a need to serve us.
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| 8/4/2008 4:29:51 PM |
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shezakeepher
Columbia, SC
age: 54
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Capt. I've enjoyed your thread and Knight I enjoy your input in this as well. 
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| 8/9/2008 6:04:24 PM |
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blessedlady48
Largo, FL
age: 50
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god said homosexuals are a abomination to him,,,sorry men are supposee to be with women and no other way..thats of satan!
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| 8/9/2008 6:07:26 PM |
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blessedlady48
Largo, FL
age: 50
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cap the bible says the homosexuals will have a place in the fire..what do u mean it doesnt say anything ...
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| 8/9/2008 6:16:22 PM |
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blessedlady48
Largo, FL
age: 50
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capt here is the verses against homos!1 corithians 6:9-10....romans 1:26-27...those are just 2 many more u need to do research on what u said...god despises homosexuals...and un natural acts!
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| 8/26/2008 5:13:04 PM |
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royr1
Saltillo, MS
age: 39
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You are right about it being a sin. That's why we should love them so that they will see Jesus in us, pray for them, and tell them God's truth in a non-treatening way.
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| 8/27/2008 12:11:32 AM |
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captpappy
Morgan City, LA
age: 54
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BL,
since this thread was dragged out of the "dead threads" files, I didn't previously see your question to me.
I wasn't saying that it's not in the Bible.
I was using quotes from what these people say to try to justify to themselves and convince (mislead) the Christian world that God has nothing to say about what they are doing.
I was pointing out that it IS indeed in the Bible!
I suspect my post may have been a bit "tedious" because you point out at least one of the verses I used in my original post to prove what you and I have both said! (Which happens to be exactly the same thing!)
[Edited 8/27/2008 12:15:45 AM]
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