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3/21/2015 2:55:07 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

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3/21/2015 2:58:24 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  
gfjf
Over 1,000 Posts (1,877)
Niagara Falls, NY
34, joined Jul. 2009


Quote from soulflight:
I have always preferred to wear dresses unless the activity prevents it. and my entire life I've been questioned..."why are you dressed up?"

Even if I am wearing a casual cotton sundress, someone or several will say that I "dressed up" just because I have a dress on at all. Somewhere along the line, dresses became synonymous with "special effort".

I thinks it's sad.


Exactly!

3/21/2015 2:59:19 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

soulflight
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,328)
Dayton, OH
53, joined Apr. 2014


Quote from txrose64:
me too and if he doesn't like me being comfy most of the time..well NEXT!

but that's what dating is about..if you're going to spend day in and day out with someone..compatibility is KEY.


exactly.

3/21/2015 3:02:23 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

gothygoogoo
Corning, CA
57, joined Feb. 2015


I don't
think sundresses
are dressy...


Sexy
as
HELL !!!

3/21/2015 3:16:00 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  
amusicluvr
Over 7,500 Posts!! (8,258)
Salem, OR
62, joined Nov. 2013


Eva is as dumb as ever, and trying to make a name for herself by making stupid statements, because her acting, singing, dancing, and f**king, aren't doing it for her. Sweatpants are great...easy to get your hands down, easy to pull off, etc. Sweatpants say "I'm ready when you are babe" in ways that fashionable slacks, pantyhose, etc, never can.

3/21/2015 3:22:19 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  
spaceface79
Over 2,000 Posts (2,182)
Des Moines, IA
35, joined Mar. 2014


Quote from barrydalmi:



But does coming out in public like a ragamuffin really express some deeper more complex set of issues about self-esteem?


Is it really-- What if I do my best and people still don't like me?



Get deep, be honest, explore, have fun.


Interesting take, but there can be many reasons. For instance, some women get more attention than they want, and try to blend in more.
In my younger years, I went through what I can only describe as an extended grunge phase. It doesn't really work, though. As another poster pointed out, Eva Mendez in sweats is still Eva Mendez.

And with others, it it tied to depression. What they are wearing is a non issue compared to other problems they are having.

3/21/2015 3:31:25 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

gothygoogoo
Corning, CA
57, joined Feb. 2015


I know a guy that is a cool as hell, really nice guy...

He lives in sweatpants, has all different styles and kinds...
Wears them "Almost" everywhere...

I asked him about it and he said...
"I like them, they are comfortable, and people get all weirded out when I wear them!!!"

He loves the reactions he gets from others!!!

Just plain F'n with folks for his own amusement...

3/21/2015 3:37:37 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

soulflight
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,328)
Dayton, OH
53, joined Apr. 2014


I think that how people present themselves is often a symptom, not always, but often...

and it all needs to be taken in context.

I think the original point of the thread was about not setting each other up for a "standard" that suddenly changes when the "catch" has been made so to speak.

in my case, we know what casual means and so on...there is no reason for that to change.

I do think that some people put more effort into dating. I also think at this point in my life, I don't need to worry about things like kids, etc impacting our routine. There is no excuse for either of us to be neglectful of ourselves or each other.

3/21/2015 3:52:10 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

gothygoogoo
Corning, CA
57, joined Feb. 2015


i'm
a
schlub...


"Unkempt in appearance, either due to lack of effort or lack of awareness. The opposite of metrosexual. He's a nice enough guy, but he's sort of a schlub." - urban dic says this is what i r...




That friend of mine was OCD huge! His place HE kept spotlessly clean and neat! His wife was wheelchair bound he was her caregiver. The place was always spectacular! AND...he wore sweatpants!!! 5 Bedroom house with year indoor hot tub room/sunroom/family room etc....

i need to call him...

3/21/2015 4:01:55 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  
miscbyproduct
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (11,862)
Isle Of Man
United Kingdom
18, joined Apr. 2012


i got a lot of ragged clothes

they are that way because my daily life is hard on clothes.
thus, those are what i am apt to be wearing most often.

stupid to put on "decent" things to go work on a tractor or cut up a tree etc.

i don't go shower and change just to go into town.


outside is different than sitting around the house
and those are different than going visiting,
which is also different than going out.

there is reasonable, there is prudent, and ignorant and stuffy.


so happens it's been raining here all day.
i was out in it for a bit.
hanged into dry clothes with intentions of being inside rest of the day.
BUT KNOW i may not be.
what i am wearing right now is a pair hole riddled jeans and a tshirt, that's almost as bad.

dream girl could come knocking at me door right now.
i wouldn't change.
she could take her disppointed a** right back down the same rd that got her here.


ppl dress how they dress.
consideration of the circumstances AND THE OTHER PERSON is reasonable
but if that is a make or break point that a person is more concerned about, then that is a person i'd sooner be shed of.... doesn't fit my daily life and definitely not in my bests interest.
SO POOF!
be gone

3/21/2015 4:11:10 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

love2kiss8
Over 2,000 Posts (3,675)
Columbus, OH
23, joined May. 2013


I don't own any just not my style, but if someone wants to wear them it's fine. I read the article where her husband said she was just joking.

3/21/2015 4:13:19 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

manniblelector
Over 2,000 Posts (2,018)
Vancouver, WA
36, joined Apr. 2013


Yoga pants number one reason for marriage

3/21/2015 4:29:53 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

gothygoogoo
Corning, CA
57, joined Feb. 2015


my
2nd
x
wife
quit
pulling
my
finger

especially hated when i whispered it in her ear at a checkout line...

3/21/2015 4:33:35 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

machug59
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (16,393)
Fairfield, CA
94, joined Dec. 2011


I just went to the store in my jeans, tennies and a tshirt.

I did brush my hair and teeth and put on lotion.

3/21/2015 4:35:26 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

gothygoogoo
Corning, CA
57, joined Feb. 2015


spill
anything
on
the
tshirt???

3/21/2015 4:36:31 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

apokernut
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Elk Grove Village, IL
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Quote from barrydalmi:
Solid reasonable view.... thanks.
It's an easy response. Just like it takes two to tango. Not too much depth to it. Snoooooooooze....

3/21/2015 4:36:35 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

machug59
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (16,393)
Fairfield, CA
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no...

I would have had to change my tshirt before going to the store.

3/21/2015 4:49:57 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

cs5591
Chicago Heights, IL
59, joined Jul. 2011


Don't wear them at all.

3/21/2015 4:53:11 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

soulflight
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,328)
Dayton, OH
53, joined Apr. 2014


Quote from apokernut:
It's an easy response. Just like it takes two to tango. Not too much depth to it. Snoooooooooze....


if it were that simple there wouldn't be volumes of HR policies telling peopne what to wear to work and a thriving interest in fashion makeovers,etc in addition to the numerous complaints even here on DH about how people dress and present themselvese

no big deal to everyone, granted, but big enough for many.

I'll take it over a race or boob or fat thread any day.



[Edited 3/21/2015 4:54:13 PM ]

3/21/2015 5:05:33 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

gotheon123
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (19,746)
Apex, NC
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@soul

I think he was bashing me, not the thread.

He has a thing for me.

3/21/2015 5:21:23 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

soulflight
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,328)
Dayton, OH
53, joined Apr. 2014


Quote from gotheon123:
@soul

I think he was bashing me, not the thread.

He has a thing for me.


well aren't you the lucky one

3/21/2015 5:26:48 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  
driver406
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (39,700)
Saint Paul, MN
63, joined Oct. 2009


I never really dated anyone who dressed up for a date, but it sure would be a comedown to have a babe dress up every week while dating only to have her wear sweatpants and athletic shoes and some ratty top or sweatshirt after marriage. She'd be dressing better for her boss than she does for her husband that she supposedly loves til death do us part,

3/21/2015 5:26:53 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

machug59
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (16,393)
Fairfield, CA
94, joined Dec. 2011


She's special.



3/21/2015 5:28:48 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

gotheon123
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (19,746)
Apex, NC
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Quote from machug59:
She's special.





And not just special ed.



3/21/2015 6:48:37 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  
im2thexy
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,446)
Belleville, ON
47, joined Dec. 2014


I dress how i dress...my small budget doesnt allow for new clothing...so whatever i have is what i have and what i wear....

3/21/2015 6:50:46 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

calthropstu
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,410)
Phoenix, AZ
35, joined Aug. 2012


My ex wife kept stealing my sweatpants and sweatshirts

3/21/2015 11:53:51 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

grneyesrme
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,755)
Sacramento, CA
47, joined Aug. 2013


Is that what my problem is? Wearing sweatpants? Here all the time I was told sweatpants & a tank top is sexy. Oh well........ it's not going to stop me from wearing them.


Sweats on
Bra off
Hair up = Home sweet home!

3/21/2015 11:55:57 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

sinkenloe
Troy, NY
38, joined Feb. 2015


That's just silliness

3/21/2015 11:56:03 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

tasty_taters2
Springfield, IL
36, joined Jan. 2015


Quote from gotheon123:
I think sweatpants is more a metaphor for what can happen when marriage, kids and life happen. You see it all the time, from both genders, get comfortable in a relationship and sometimes the little things get forgotten. You rely more on the bond(that was developed while doing those little things) and less on attraction.

I think it takes at least one in the relationship working on keeping that fire going and if both are working on it......



That's part of the partnership.





3/22/2015 1:14:58 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

ahleah4mriris
Over 2,000 Posts (3,294)
Fort Worth, TX
44, joined Jul. 2014


I wear sweatpants....all winter long. Got all colours. Love them. As a matter of fact, I'm wearing a dark blue pair right now as I'm typing.

3/22/2015 1:23:42 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

browneyz
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (23,321)
San Diego, CA
58, joined Jan. 2008


Quote from gotheon123:
And not just special ed.

. Special Ed get to ride the short Bus with the cool kids.

3/22/2015 1:24:16 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

flyfish77
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,185)
Conyers, GA
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online now!


your about to be in trouble.

3/22/2015 1:31:15 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

flyfish77
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,185)
Conyers, GA
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whose the heart for hunny...im no where in sight,,watch it,, an what colour p.,;'.,,wanna talk about that,??il ove you baby an dont care who knows it,an what do you love......or whom......

3/22/2015 1:56:55 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

ahleah4mriris
Over 2,000 Posts (3,294)
Fort Worth, TX
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Quote from flyfish77:
your about to be in trouble.



Correction: You're about to be in trouble.

3/22/2015 3:19:43 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  
artokol
Over 2,000 Posts (3,659)
Vaubecourt
France
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I guess infidelity would be about 9th.

3/22/2015 3:37:01 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

sinkenloe
Troy, NY
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3/22/2015 4:32:36 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

snarky__muffin
Sichuan
China
43, joined Mar. 2015


Quote from barrydalmi:
Someone smart shared something with me that prompts this question.

I won't be around to tend but hope to check back...

In some comments (and more broadly to another posters point) SOME people seem to have a resistance to dressing well, to looking like their sex, putting their best foot forward.


Certainly we won't return to the days when everywhere men wore full suits daily, and women wore dresses, pearls and heels (oh how I wish) to go anywhere- even the grocery store.


But does coming out in public like a ragamuffin really express some deeper more complex set of issues about self-esteem?


Is it really-- What if I do my best and people still don't like me?



Get deep, be honest, explore, have fun.



That's not a conclusion I would have ever reached. If someone is wearing sweatpants all the time I would probably assume some degree of depression.

If my partner wanted to wear sweatpants around the house I wouldn't care. If he was wearing them everywhere, though, I think that would get old.

But as far as women go, I think far more goes into letting themselves go than just raggedy clothing. I'd be more concerned about other grooming traits like hair, makeup, shaving legs, getting nails done, etc. A person can wear nice clothes, but if they look old or used up or rough, nice clothes aren't going to change that.

3/22/2015 4:48:38 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  
artokol
Over 2,000 Posts (3,659)
Vaubecourt
France
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Quote from snarky__muffin:
That's not a conclusion I would have ever reached. If someone is wearing sweatpants all the time I would probably assume some degree of depression.

If my partner wanted to wear sweatpants around the house I wouldn't care. If he was wearing them everywhere, though, I think that would get old.

But as far as women go, I think far more goes into letting themselves go than just raggedy clothing. I'd be more concerned about other grooming traits like hair, makeup, shaving legs, getting nails done, etc. A person can wear nice clothes, but if they look old or used up or rough, nice clothes aren't going to change that.


Are you anywhere near the Shaolin Temple near Song Mountains?

3/22/2015 4:58:58 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

snarky__muffin
Sichuan
China
43, joined Mar. 2015


Quote from artokol:
Are you anywhere near the Shaolin Temple near Song Mountains?



Not really. I live in Chengdu. When we go to the mountains we are closer to Qingcheng Shan and Emei Shan.

3/22/2015 5:33:41 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  
artokol
Over 2,000 Posts (3,659)
Vaubecourt
France
49, joined Nov. 2014


Quote from snarky__muffin:
Not really. I live in Chengdu. When we go to the mountains we are closer to Qingcheng Shan and Emei Shan.


I was actually at the Shaoshi Mountains which is part of the Snow Mountains and where I got most of my training. I have friends in Deyang...so I know where you are.

3/22/2015 5:38:43 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

snarky__muffin
Sichuan
China
43, joined Mar. 2015


That's near Xian, right?

3/22/2015 5:49:17 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  
artokol
Over 2,000 Posts (3,659)
Vaubecourt
France
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Quote from snarky__muffin:
That's near Xian, right?


Were you ever at the Global Wall Water Park in Chengdu?

3/22/2015 5:54:24 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

snarky__muffin
Sichuan
China
43, joined Mar. 2015


Is that the same as Global Center (the biggest building in the world, with an indoor water park)? If so, yes, I've been there.

3/22/2015 6:08:48 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  
artokol
Over 2,000 Posts (3,659)
Vaubecourt
France
49, joined Nov. 2014


Yeah...exactly...so you know what I'm talking about. I stayed at Shangcheng Island Hotel near a hospital and one of the guys working there brought me Italian Lasagna. Lol. My Master had a student who I'm friends with and he eventually moved there. Last time I visited there was massive changes...so I guess you're right in the core of the city.

Do they still have Internet restrictions... Y or N?

3/22/2015 6:20:31 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

snarky__muffin
Sichuan
China
43, joined Mar. 2015


I live near Global Center and know it well. Last year I lived in Tongzillin, which is further in.

Yes, we have internet restrictions. No Facebook, YouTube, etc., unless you pay for a VPN, which most expats do. It's worth it.

I'd better stop hijacking Barry's thread. Feel free to email me and chat me up about China.

3/22/2015 6:28:56 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  
artokol
Over 2,000 Posts (3,659)
Vaubecourt
France
49, joined Nov. 2014


Quote from snarky__muffin:
I live near Global Center and know it well. Last year I lived in Tongzillin, which is further in.

Yes, we have internet restrictions. No Facebook, YouTube, etc., unless you pay for a VPN, which most expats do. It's worth it.

I'd better stop hijacking Barry's thread. Feel free to email me and chat me up about China.


Ok...I'll add you...no problem.

3/22/2015 8:11:48 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

youarenotsafe
Over 7,500 Posts!! (8,047)
Jacksonville, FL
20, joined May. 2013


So to answer the original post. I don't slack off when in a relationship because I dress for myself not for him. Sometimes I just want to feel like a goddess so I dress like I'm going to the red carpet. He can either enjoy it or leave. I wear my sweatpants but not all the time, just when I'm working out

3/22/2015 8:17:14 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

dark_gable0585
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,168)
West Sacramento, CA
29, joined Feb. 2014


Quote from barrydalmi:
So says new mom and actress, Eva Mendes, wife of heartthrob Ryan Gosling.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/eva-mendes-calls-sweatpants-number-divorce/story?id=29750363



Questions for both sexes...

So does how you dress make a difference after a relationship is "locked in"?

Do you dress nicer to get a partner and then slack off...or what you see is what you get?

Is it important to be consistent?

Have fun, be honest.
while dating lol....in relationships you always have to be consistent with what you are wearing... however....nobody shouldnt have to tell anyone how to dress...its the person's prerogative

3/22/2015 9:51:34 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  
stewart252
Irving, TX
42, joined Nov. 2014


You can't make this up. True story. At 14 my 38 yo neighbor seduced me to have sex. I actually wanted some anyway but over the years she came over to my place wearing sweatpants and was dropped off by her daughter. When the daughter came back to get her she realized once she got home that she had them on backwards. She still married till this day. We messed around for 26 years. Sweatpants will get you busted but good p*ssy will make a dude deal with it! Don't matter what you wearing!!!

3/22/2015 9:54:38 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

yetskimama
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (13,798)
Walterboro, SC
64, joined Sep. 2011


Nay

3/22/2015 10:56:42 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

jeff92543
Hemet, CA
61, joined May. 2014


The number one cause of divorce is....marriage

3/22/2015 10:57:43 AM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  
ibeenseenitall
Boca Raton, FL
34, joined Jul. 2014


It's single people dressed to impress

3/22/2015 12:41:32 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

barrydalmi
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Baltimore, MD
51, joined Dec. 2007


Thanks everyone. I appreciate all the varied responses.


Those few who took it literally as a "sweatpants" issue...concerns me a little- I wonder what you do for a career. Not an attack- just expressing personal consternation.

3/22/2015 12:43:10 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

playingindirt
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,930)
Eugene, OR
59, joined Mar. 2014


I like to look nice whether im at home or out and about because it makes me feel good.
It's good for your self estimate and how you generally feel about yourself.

If you're dolled up like you would dress to go out to some place special at home that's one scary obsession with yourself. you should be able to look nice without having to be completely dolled up all of the time.

3/22/2015 12:53:55 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

sherri_
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54, joined Aug. 2009
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Quote from barrydalmi:
Thanks everyone. I appreciate all the varied responses.


Those few who took it literally as a "sweatpants" issue...concerns me a little- I wonder what you do for a career. Not an attack- just expressing personal consternation.


I work from home, and I farm. In my spare time, I run herd daily after a chronically ill adult child, a chronically ill elderly mother, a chronically ill elderly neighbor, and my 4yo grand (every other week). I also volunteer doing nature preserve stuff and events for seniors that involve lots of makeup/costuming, etc.

And once in a great while, I clean. LOL.

3/22/2015 12:55:41 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

barrydalmi
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Baltimore, MD
51, joined Dec. 2007


Bless you Sherri. You sound like a well rounded, kind and giving person. What do you grow/rear?

3/22/2015 1:06:03 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

barrydalmi
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (18,615)
Baltimore, MD
51, joined Dec. 2007


Muffin... How you doing sweet lady?

No problem on the exchange. You didn't hijack. All good. Be well.

3/22/2015 1:17:40 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  

sherri_
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Erlanger, KY
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Quote from barrydalmi:
Bless you Sherri. You sound like a well rounded, kind and giving person. What do you grow/rear?


No livestock anymore, THANK GOD

Subsistence farming. Three kinds of strawberries, two kinds of onions, cabbage, brussel sprouts, broccoli, two kinds of potatoes, cucumbers, radishes, green onions, asparagus, rhubarb, sugar snap peas, green beans, carrots, several kinds of lettuce, sweet corn, two kinds of pumpkin, watermelon, cantaloupe, several kinds of tomatoes, bell peppers, hot peppers, apples, raspberries, blackberries, mulberries, black walnuts, hickory nuts.

My magic herbs: yarrow, sweet fennel, oregano, basil, sage, rosemary, parsley, several kinds of mint, catnip, chamomille, lavender.

And probably other things I've forgotten off the top of my head - plus the fleurs.

Since our state allows deductions for composting supplies and recycling containers, I looked into the federal deductions for farming...but apparently they have quite the hard on for folks claiming that whose primary income is from another area...LOL

3/22/2015 2:51:52 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  
dan9787_3
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Laval, QC
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It wouldn't make any difference unless it was very weird, disruptive -calling on the wrong kind of attention, outrageous - etc



[Edited 3/22/2015 2:52:36 PM ]

3/22/2015 3:53:57 PM Sweatpants are the No. 1 Cause of Divorce  
ctguitarguy
Manchester, CT
30, joined May. 2014


The data we have shows that women initiate about 70+% of divorces, and often for fairly frivolous reasons, not due to cheating or abuse. Of course anyone who hasn't looked into this deeply tends to use the old cliche "if he did something wrong, he's not a good partner, if she did something wrong, he must have done something to cause her to do XYZ etc" and various other flavors of that.

Generally male suicide rates are about 4-6x higher than females in equivalent socio economic status. Most of the public health support systems, what few we have, tend to be fairly gynocentric instead of being ungendered. The number 1 cited reason for men who survive or leave a note? is loneliness, divorce, separation etc. Number one for women? Money and employment, it turns out. Ironic considering women are now, on average more employed than most dudes. While guys make up the vast majority of work place deaths and homelessness.

My mother is a hospice nurse, and as others who have done her line of work or similar, she notes everyone near or at the end wishes they spent more time on friends, family, and especially romantic love instead of careerism, money, academic achievement, etc etc. It appears men are hurting themselves over matters that seem to matter a whole lot more in the grand scheme of things, and divorce/breakups, are one of the primary culprits, of which women initiate the vast majority of. If all it was, was sweatpants, I'd say we could nip these issues in the bud a lot sooner .



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