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txninnc
Euless, TX
47, joined May. 2014
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Another tainted championship.
NFL finds Patriots employees probably deflated balls
NEW YORK – An NFL investigation released Wednesday said that New England Patriots employees likely deflated footballs used in the AFC Championship and that quarterback Tom Brady was probably "at least generally aware" of the rules violations.
The NFL began investigating after the Patriots defeated the Colts 45-7 on January 18. The Colts complained that several footballs were under inflated and the NFL confirmed that 11 of the 12 footballs were under the limit. The investigation started as the Patriots were preparing for the Super Bowl -- which they won two weeks later.
Footballs with less pressure can be easier to grip and catch. Some quarterbacks prefer footballs that have less air.
The NFL requires balls to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch, and each team is responsible for the balls it uses on offense.
Brady said he prefers footballs inflated to 12.5 pounds per square inch. On many occasions, Brady said he never asked for balls to be deflated outside of the rules.
The NFL report said "it was more than probable" that Jim McNally, the officials locker room attendant, and John Jastremski, an equipment assistant for the Patriots, were involved in "a deliberate effort to release air" from the footballs after they were examined by the referee.
The report includes text messages between McNally and Jastremski that imply Brady was requesting footballs deflated below 12.5 pounds per square inch.
The 243-page report said league investigators found no evidence that coach Bill Belichick and team management knew of the practice.
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/05/06/nfl-finds-patriots-employees-probably-deflated-balls/
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| 5/6/2015 1:40:11 PM |
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norwegianwood64
Fort Payne, AL
51, joined Jul. 2014
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Thats why Belichick wins...he is smarter than everyone else. Maybe someday the Texans will win a playoff game. Go Pats
I am still waiting for Rogers and the Packers to be penalized since Rogers admitted on a radio show he prefers balls pumped up. I guess Green Bay gets a free pass.
This is a ref issue anyway. Get some refs who will check the balls and knows which ones have less pressure.
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| 5/6/2015 1:50:23 PM |
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61falcon
New Hope, PA
75, joined Feb. 2008
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They found NO PROOF of any irregularities or rule violations so they come out with probabilities or chances are's???This was all pre Super Bowl hype to get more people interested and watching the big game.Sneaky unpaid for advertising by the NFL,which is finally going to start paying taxes.
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| 5/6/2015 1:53:54 PM |
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txninnc
Euless, TX
47, joined May. 2014
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They found NO PROOF of any irregularities or rule violations so they come out with probabilities or chances are's???
Umm, yeah...... I'd say text messages are pretty damning. It would be enough in a court of law. Were you wanting to see a video? Apparently Brady gave the guy signed game balls and jerseys as well and he didn't want to help in the investigation. Actions of a guilty man.
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| 5/6/2015 2:05:38 PM |
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61falcon
New Hope, PA
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The tone of the messages tend to indicate the ball boys did not particularly like Brady!!One saying something about making hem like rugby balls which are hard as a rock.
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| 5/6/2015 2:07:52 PM |
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61falcon
New Hope, PA
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Anyone that thinks one or two pounds of pressure in the ball somehow affects the outcome of the game has never played football.
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| 5/6/2015 2:17:05 PM |
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wvtravlrr
Ravenswood, WV
56, joined Mar. 2013
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Anyone that thinks one or two pounds of pressure in the ball somehow affects the outcome of the game has never played football.
Absolutely....
3-4 pounds of air never slowed down a blitzing OLB...
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| 5/6/2015 2:19:55 PM |
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smstephanie
Moorhead, MN
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Frankly, this is stupid at best...I can see if the refs were purposely making bad calls so the pats could win...or someone put something in the Colts water to make the team all woozy..but come on a few inches of pressure is going to f**k your game up to the point they lost by the numbers they did?...next we will say." Tom Brady voodooed the weather and they won"...It's a game of skill and chance..The Colts lost, even if the balls were slightly under inflated..The Colts sucked end of story. Move on
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| 5/6/2015 2:45:19 PM |
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bill_i_am2
FPO, AP
53, joined Apr. 2010
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Why should anyone really care if ( and most likely do ) cheat to win a silly game 
People cheat all the time even for the silliest reason as, just to win, so when you look at
the millions to be made by winning the big one, does that really surprise anyone
And since this is CE&Politics forum .... 
We elected crooked, corrupt and cheating politicians every two to four years in this country
soooo, again, who gives a f**k about a silly child's game and who won and how they won 
In the the " bigger picture of life " ....      
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| 5/6/2015 2:57:02 PM |
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txninnc
Euless, TX
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Anyone that thinks one or two pounds of pressure in the ball somehow affects the outcome of the game has never played football.
Two pounds is like 20% under the limit. The report also found Brady lied to investigators on multiple occasions. He'll probably be suspended.
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| 5/6/2015 2:58:15 PM |
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txninnc
Euless, TX
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Frankly, this is stupid at best...I can see if the refs were purposely making bad calls so the pats could win...or someone put something in the Colts water to make the team all woozy..but come on a few inches of pressure is going to f**k your game up to the point they lost by the numbers they did?...next we will say." Tom Brady voodooed the weather and they won"...It's a game of skill and chance..The Colts lost, even if the balls were slightly under inflated..The Colts sucked end of story. Move on
What do you know about football, sweetie? Have you even held a football before?
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| 5/6/2015 3:07:24 PM |
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wvtravlrr
Ravenswood, WV
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How about an experiment...
we'll put you in at Bradys spot...give you a football with 20% less air...
And you can choose either Walton or Werner..either one to come on an unopposed OLB blitz.....
this'll be fun......
remember tuck and roll...protect your head....
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| 5/6/2015 3:17:21 PM |
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57channels
Bettendorf, IA
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Nor
Thats why Belichick wins...he is smarter than everyone else. Maybe someday the Texans will win a playoff game. Go Pats
I am still waiting for Rogers and the Packers to be penalized since Rogers admitted on a radio show he prefers balls pumped up. I guess Green Bay gets a free pass.
This is a ref issue anyway. Get some refs who will check the balls and knows which ones have less pressure.
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??????????????? Coming from YOU????? You can see through all the evil in politics, but not the evil in the NFL??? You think an inflated or deflated ball has anything to do with both coaches and both qbs going over the scripts before each game to make sure the mob dont lose no bets. You listen to football propaganda???
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| 5/6/2015 3:27:30 PM |
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61falcon
New Hope, PA
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If this is such a big deal, as the NFL has made it out to be,will they now provide a league employee in every NFL franchise who will be the one responsible for sole pregame handling and inflating of all game balls??
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| 5/6/2015 3:45:04 PM |
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txninnc
Euless, TX
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If this is such a big deal, as the NFL has made it out to be,will they now provide a league employee in every NFL franchise who will be the one responsible for sole pregame handling and inflating of all game balls??
Well they changed the protocol for the Super Bowl in light of what the Patriots did. They brought in the equipment manager for the Bears to control the balls for both teams.
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| 5/6/2015 3:48:42 PM |
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jetzazzy
Milwaukee, WI
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Yeah this is important
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| 5/6/2015 4:14:08 PM |
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61falcon
New Hope, PA
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If they think it a big deal then the league should handle it.A league employee in every NFL site taking care of balls!!
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| 5/6/2015 4:54:12 PM |
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txninnc
Euless, TX
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The text messages from the two guys that deflated the balls. Brady claimed he didn't even know their names
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| 5/6/2015 5:08:34 PM |
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fallguy02379
Brockton, MA
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you are living in a fantasy world
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| 5/6/2015 5:15:03 PM |
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txninnc
Euless, TX
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you are living in a fantasy world
Unless you're suggesting I invented the texts, that's an odd reply.
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norwegianwood64
Fort Payne, AL
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Rogers said he gets pissed off when the refs deflate green bay balls sometimes when it is over the limit.
The problem in the new england situation is no official has been able to tell us what the psi of these balls were before the game. If Brady likes balls on the low end of the scale, it is possible that they passed inspection but leaving very little leeway during the game. In other words, a perfectly legal ball could all of a sudden be cheating after one Gronk spike.
If your car manual reccomends tires at 26-28psi and you keep them at 26....any tiny amount of air loss will put the tires below the suggested range.
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| 5/6/2015 5:47:26 PM |
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norwegianwood64
Fort Payne, AL
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Things like this just make it a hell of alot better to be a lifetime Pats fan. My brother was a ball boy at old Schaefer Stadium in the early 80's and he met and got autographs of Grogan, Hannah, Morgan, Tatupu, and many others.
Watching other fans of other teams whine like little babies just makes it more sweeter. The idiots thought they had slowed down the Pats with spy gate but the Pats won/loss record is even better after spy gate, just like the Pats played better in the AFC championship after official balls were used.
If I was a Jets fan and caught the Pats cheating.....I would ignore it because the Pats play better when they are not cheating.
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| 5/6/2015 6:31:56 PM |
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57channels
Bettendorf, IA
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Gotta love that Tom Brady in the Superfix. He couldn't throw a 15 yard pass to his reciever in the end zone....so a few plays later the Seattle defense " stood down " and Tommy boy actually threw it to him finally.
NFL teams are " cheating "  Does the NFL really think that people are so stupid they actually think the games are fixed and cheating occurs??? Yep...a nation full of average joe six packs.
PS that pass that the qb for Seattle threw that the guy caught at the end of the fix??? It was just a human reaction by the reciever dangling the ball. Wilson was hoping it would get intercepted, but his man caught it so he had to throw a 1 yard interception Lots of friends of mine said the same thing.
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57channels
Bettendorf, IA
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The NFL is getting so arrogant and brazen [ like the US Govt. ] that one of these days some goon is gonna run the ball into the wrong end zone, and then have to play act that he didn't know which end zone was his to score?? The perps can always say the goon was on medication for some injury [ fake of course ] and he got confused
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| 5/7/2015 5:06:06 PM |
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txninnc
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| 5/7/2015 5:17:29 PM |
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fallguy02379
Brockton, MA
51, joined Sep. 2011
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Another tainted championship.
NFL finds Patriots employees probably deflated balls
NEW YORK – An NFL investigation released Wednesday said that New England Patriots employees likely deflated footballs used in the AFC Championship and that quarterback Tom Brady was probably "at least generally aware" of the rules violations.
The NFL began investigating after the Patriots defeated the Colts 45-7 on January 18. The Colts complained that several footballs were under inflated and the NFL confirmed that 11 of the 12 footballs were under the limit. The investigation started as the Patriots were preparing for the Super Bowl -- which they won two weeks later.
Footballs with less pressure can be easier to grip and catch. Some quarterbacks prefer footballs that have less air.
The NFL requires balls to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch, and each team is responsible for the balls it uses on offense.
Brady said he prefers footballs inflated to 12.5 pounds per square inch. On many occasions, Brady said he never asked for balls to be deflated outside of the rules.
The NFL report said "it was more than probable" that Jim McNally, the officials locker room attendant, and John Jastremski, an equipment assistant for the Patriots, were involved in "a deliberate effort to release air" from the footballs after they were examined by the referee.
The report includes text messages between McNally and Jastremski that imply Brady was requesting footballs deflated below 12.5 pounds per square inch.
The 243-page report said league investigators found no evidence that coach Bill Belichick and team management knew of the practice.
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/05/06/nfl-finds-patriots-employees-probably-deflated-
balls/
Brady was probably "at least generally aware" of the rules violations.
The NFL requires balls to be inflated between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds per square inch, and each team is responsible for the balls it uses on offense.
Brady said he prefers footballs inflated to 12.5 pounds per square inch. On many occasions, Brady said he never asked for balls to be deflated outside of the rules.
call me crazy but, isn't 12.5 allowed?lol
What was the precise PSI of each of the 12 footballs the Patriots’ offense used in the AFC Championship Game? We’ll probably never know.
NFL head of officiating Dean Blandino confirmed today that the NFL didn’t log the exact PSI of each football. According to Blandino, when officials inspect footballs to see if they’re properly inflated, they simply approve them or disapprove them.
The Patriots should sue the NFL
The NFL has reportedly fired an employee who sold footballs that were used in the AFC Championship Game — footballs that later became the source of the Deflategate controversy when the Patriots were accused of playing with under-inflated footballs on offense.
Adam Schefter reported on ESPN today that the footballs used in the game were supposed to be donated to charity, but that one employee took some footballs and sold them instead.
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nole_89
Loganville, GA
52, joined May. 2010
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I have to agree with Stephanie here. I really don't think the air pressure in the balls would have changed the out come. It was stupid to do it because they didn't have to.
The reason the pats are in the superbowl hunt nearly every year is for one simple reason. The owner hired a great coach and allowed that coach to have total control on draft day. Good owners make good teams. Bad owners make lousy teams(see Atlanta Falcons).
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| 5/7/2015 5:40:24 PM |
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fallguy02379
Brockton, MA
51, joined Sep. 2011
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Pretty simple math tells us that ya Brady wanted the balls at 12.5 which was within the rules, if you read more articles you will see how the NFL crew is suppose to check the balls and reflate them back up to at least 12.5 before game time and then mark them............they didn't do their job
there are reports that sometimes the NFL over inflates these balls as well
Report: Only one of Patriots' 12 balls were under-inflated by two pounds
http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/02/01/deflategate-only-one-patriots-football-underinflated
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txninnc
Euless, TX
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Pretty simple math tells us that ya Brady wanted the balls at 12.5 which was within the rules,
That must be why a patriots staff member took all of the balls out of the refs locker room and into the bathroom. The same staff member who calls himself "the deflator" The same staff member Brady texted and the same staff member Brady claimed he didn't even know his name. I mean, come on man. The texts don't lie, brother. He's busted, bottom line. As far as punishment, well like they say, it's not the crime it's the coverup.
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| 5/7/2015 6:20:01 PM |
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fallguy02379
Brockton, MA
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That must be why a patriots staff member took all of the balls out of the refs locker room and into the bathroom. The same staff member who calls himself "the deflator" The same staff member Brady texted and the same staff member Brady claimed he didn't even know his name. I mean, come on man. The texts don't lie, brother. He's busted, bottom line. As far as punishment, well like they say, it's not the crime it's the coverup.
again, no one knows the PSI of the ball.......it was never checked the way it was suppose to be.
looking at the wording looks like Brady wanted to make sure the balls were at the lowest legal PSI and since the NFL never marked them ..who would know if they were overinflated as well???
Goodell needs to try and save face
NFL’s circus Deflategate probe turns up black-market ball thief
http://nypost.com/2015/02/18/nfls-circus-deflategate-probe-turns-up-black-market-ball-thief/
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| 5/7/2015 6:52:30 PM |
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61falcon
New Hope, PA
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50% of the Patriots games are played on the road with the other team supplying the balls,none of the Patriots FOUR Super Bowl wins was on their home field.Were the teams in these other locations deflating balls for them???A dumb publicity stunt by the NFL to deflect all the negative concussion conversation.
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| 5/7/2015 7:04:37 PM |
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txninnc
Euless, TX
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looking at the wording looks like Brady wanted to make sure the balls were at the lowest legal PSI
That must be why Brady said McNally must be under a lot of stress to get them done . Must be why Jastremski said "I can't wait to give you your needle this week". Must be why McNally said "Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks". That must be why Brady refused to give investigators his texts and why he lied about not knowing the guy's name. COME ON MAN
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| 5/7/2015 7:05:15 PM |
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txninnc
Euless, TX
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50% of the Patriots games are played on the road with the other team supplying the balls,
Incorrect.
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| 5/7/2015 7:28:27 PM |
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fallguy02379
Brockton, MA
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That must be why Brady said McNally must be under a lot of stress to get them done . Must be why Jastremski said "I can't wait to give you your needle this week". Must be why McNally said "Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks". That must be why Brady refused to give investigators his texts and why he lied about not knowing the guy's name. COME ON MAN
no question the quarterback wants the balls a certain way the NFL failed to prove their case, all circumstantial, if Brady wanted to make sure the balls were at 12.5 isn't that psi within the rules?........and if they are at 13? 13.5? 14?.......???
I am waiting for Kraft to fire back at the NFL for failing to do their job to begin with
Bob Ley: You’re telling us one official has been fired because he had a side business selling these charitable footballs?
Schefter: Correct. That extended beyond the AFC Championship game, that was part of a pattern of behavior that existed with this particular individual that culminated in him working that game and trying to get another football.
http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/18/adam-schefter-nfl-official-responsible-for-tampering-with-afc-championship-balls-video/
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| 5/7/2015 7:31:49 PM |
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fallguy02379
Brockton, MA
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I think the NFL is trying to deflect attention away from their mishandling of the domestic abuse cover up
In The Ray Rice Incident, NFL Fails Domestic Violence Victims
http://www.forbes.com/sites/leighsteinberg/2014/09/08/nfl-fails-domestic-violence-victims/
I think Kraft isn't going to be silent about how the NFL handled this
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| 5/7/2015 7:43:34 PM |
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txninnc
Euless, TX
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I think the NFL is trying to deflect attention away from their mishandling of the domestic abuse cover up
Yeah, that must be it
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| 5/7/2015 7:45:27 PM |
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txninnc
Euless, TX
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if Brady wanted to make sure the balls were at 12.5 isn't that psi within the rules?
Oh, he just wanted to make sure that were at 12.5. I guess that explains everything. That must be why Brady said McNally must be under a lot of stress to get them done . Must be why Jastremski said "I can't wait to give you your needle this week". Must be why McNally said "Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks". That must be why Brady refused to give investigators his texts and why he lied about not knowing the guy's name. COME ON MAN
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| 5/7/2015 7:52:32 PM |
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mrhankchinaski
Aurora, CO
54, joined Aug. 2014
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I am a loyal NY Jets fan.
I say a novena to Saint Michael every year praying that someone will break Tom Brady's leg
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| 5/7/2015 7:54:32 PM |
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fallguy02379
Brockton, MA
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League has no record of PSI in Patriots' footballs
League has no record of PSI in Patriots' footballs
By Larry Hartstein | Senior Analyst
January 29, 2015 6:17 pm ET
When referee Walt Anderson checked the game balls for the AFC Championship Game, he did not log the PSI. He just approved them.
NFL head of officiating Dean Blandino was asked Thursday if the league has any proof beyond Anderson's word that the footballs were inflated to the required 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch.
"We did review what happened pregame, and from everything that we reviewed and all the information we had, the balls were properly tested prior to the game,” Blandino responded, acknowledging there's no record of the exact PSI.
"And then there was an issue that was brought up during the first half,” Blandino said. “A football came into question, then the decision was made to test them at halftime. There's an investigation going on, I can't get into too many specifics but really that's the chain of events that occurred.”
The halftime check showed the Patriots' footballs were underinflated. The NFL is trying to determine whether it resulted from "deliberate action." The league has video of a Pats employee taking the Patriots' and Colts' game balls to the bathroom for 90 seconds, on his way to the field, per Pro Football Talk.
But now the league has admitted it won't be able to prove
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fallguy02379
Brockton, MA
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I am a loyal NY Jets fan.
I say a novena to Saint Michael every year praying that someone will break Tom Brady's leg
and Goodell feels the same way, he hates Bellicheck from when they worked together for the Jets.
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| 5/7/2015 7:58:08 PM |
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61falcon
New Hope, PA
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According to those reported messages one ball Passed BY THE NFL REF was 16 pounds per square in which is two pounds OVER the limit.The NFL is desperately trying to defl;ect from the concussion,head injury being reported by many of it,s brightest retired stars.Bradshaw,McMahon,Dorsett etc,etc and who can forget the suicide of Junior Seau.
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| 5/7/2015 8:03:53 PM |
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mrhankchinaski
Aurora, CO
54, joined Aug. 2014
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Ball inflation cant stop a good pass rush.
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| 5/11/2015 6:20:14 PM |
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txninnc
Euless, TX
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Brady suspended for cheating. Patriots fined one million dollars. Loss of a first round draft pick next year
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/05/11/nfl-suspends-patriot-qb-tom-brady-4-games-for-deflated-footballs/
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| 5/11/2015 6:27:27 PM |
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mr_bad_robot
Cincinnati, OH
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Cheating goes and always shows
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| 5/11/2015 6:33:28 PM |
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manniblelector
Vancouver, WA
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Brady suspended for cheating. Patriots fined one million dollars. Loss of a first round draft pick next year
http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/05/11/nfl-suspends-patriot-qb-tom-brady-4-games-for-deflated-footballs/
That's not enough, should be for 5 years worth of 1st round drafts
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| 5/11/2015 7:19:21 PM |
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norwegianwood64
Fort Payne, AL
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The issue is there is no proof. Brady may have wanted balls on the low end but still within limits. Like was mentuoned earlier, the refs did not log the PSI's before the game. No ine has a f**kin clue what the psi was. Holy shit, Kraft is going to go ape shit. I would sue the NFL if I was him. The proof on Brady they got would not even warrant a trial.
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