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7/23/2015 4:11:25 PM  
61falcon
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Jeb Bush has just announced, in New Hampshire, that he wants to end Medicare, which provides partial healthcare coverage to Americans over age 65,and something which I and all those who worked contributed to from it's inception and still do each month in retirement.He proposes no viable alternative, which can only indicate that he has sold out to the ever decreasing health insurance companies.Clearly another Greedy Old Party move to further decimate the middle class.

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7/23/2015 4:15:55 PM New Hope, PA  
not_jake
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F**k Jeb Bush. F**k the whole Bush family and the nazi horse they rode in on.

7/23/2015 4:19:10 PM New Hope, PA  

sureshot40
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Quote from 61falcon:
Jeb Bush has just announced, in New Hampshire, that he wants to end Medicare, which provides partial healthcare coverage to Americans over age 65,and something which I and all those who worked contributed to from it's inception and still do each month in retirement.He proposes no viable alternative, which can only indicate that he has sold out to the ever decreasing health insurance companies.Clearly another Greedy Old Party move to further decimate the middle class.


Well if obama care is so damn good, you don't need medicare. Isn't that why obamacare cut medicare? On the Jeb Bush part, he sucks anyway.

7/23/2015 4:20:12 PM New Hope, PA  
walt_hallow
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Did he say anything about invading Iraq?

7/23/2015 4:29:33 PM New Hope, PA  
nat_now
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It is so both jeb and hill can carry out the goal for global health insurance. It won't matter how old u are or where you live. Portability means the jungle prison houses, too. You can have socialized medicine anywhere, anytime, because if your crop pickin job goes to africa, you'll still get great care from "Doctors no longer have Borders".

7/23/2015 4:32:42 PM New Hope, PA  
61falcon
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I have paid into Medicare since it's inception in 1965 now along comes this perpetual taxpayer thief that wants to end it because he's accepting health insurer contributions,screw him and all the other right wingers that want to end Americas middle class,creating just the ultra rich and the poor.

7/23/2015 4:36:15 PM New Hope, PA  
61falcon
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I can assure that Bush is not proposing socialized medicine he is strictly for the high premium for profit health insurance companies which are now trying to go from five existing majors down to three,create less competition or make believe competition.

7/23/2015 4:36:40 PM New Hope, PA  
nat_now
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You're confusing whose agenda, it really is... it is wayyyyyyyyyyy bigger than gop/dem... they have no choice but do as the big rich elite tell them what to do. That's why they want Trump out of their way..he's messing up their SCRIPT... handed to them by the likes of spoooooky ultraRich like ...... well, you know ..the very people whose NAMES you'll NEVER HEAR UTTERED by either hill nor jeb.. and just why aren't they ever mentioned? Hmmmmm? Look at ALLLLLLLLLLLL they fund.

7/23/2015 4:42:21 PM New Hope, PA  

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Bush is as much a statist as Hillary is.

There's very little difference in Rhino's and Dem's at this point.

7/23/2015 5:48:01 PM New Hope, PA  
61falcon
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Hillary isn't the one calling for an end to Medicare.

7/23/2015 5:50:24 PM New Hope, PA  

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Which party, in a 100% support of the bill passage, made Insurance companies a lot richer than they were before with their legislation?

Rhino's and Dem's are the same. It's only about who gets the pork while they have control. Neither are about real change or real benefit. It's about who can gets what to keep them in power.



[Edited 7/23/2015 5:51:31 PM ]

7/23/2015 7:25:21 PM New Hope, PA  
61falcon
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This action would leave all of Americas retirees with little or no health insurance and no financial means to purchase it.

7/23/2015 10:54:28 PM New Hope, PA  
peterk2
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Quote from 61falcon:
Jeb Bush has just announced, in New Hampshire, that he wants to end Medicare, which provides partial healthcare coverage to Americans over age 65,and something which I and all those who worked contributed to from it's inception and still do each month in retirement.


your friends are destroying it already, and it will be broke anyway, with the bummer care overload, the fraud, and the theft


just like you commies have done with the ss disability fund, now broke


just like you are doing with the regular ss fund



spare us the GOP crap.



[Edited 7/23/2015 10:55:48 PM ]

7/23/2015 11:09:12 PM New Hope, PA  
giss7
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Quote from 61falcon:
Jeb Bush has just announced, in New Hampshire, that he wants to end Medicare, which provides partial healthcare coverage to Americans over age 65,and something which I and all those who worked contributed to from it's inception and still do each month in retirement.He proposes no viable alternative, which can only indicate that he has sold out to the ever decreasing health insurance companies.Clearly another Greedy Old Party move to further decimate the middle class.


No viable alternative? They can sign them all up for n**ger care.

7/24/2015 12:18:34 AM New Hope, PA  

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Quote from nat_now:
It is so both jeb and hill can carry out the goal for global health insurance. It won't matter how old u are or where you live. Portability means the jungle prison houses, too. You can have socialized medicine anywhere, anytime, because if your crop pickin job goes to africa, you'll still get great care from "Doctors no longer have Borders".

You know that prisoners have had free access to healthcare since before Obama was born, right?

What is it about the single-payer healthcare systems that work just fine all over the world (for half the price of yours) that terrifies you so?

7/24/2015 12:24:32 AM New Hope, PA  

d_voted
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Quote from not_jake:
F**k Jeb Bush. F**k the whole Bush family and the nazi horse they rode in on.


I'd like to know how you REALLY feel.

D

PS: Nazi wh*re - not horse. The Nazi wh*re they rode in on.

7/24/2015 9:28:18 AM New Hope, PA  
giss7
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Quote from d_voted:
I'd like to know how you REALLY feel.

D

PS: Nazi wh*re - not horse. The Nazi wh*re they rode in on.



Nice flaming gay stash.

7/24/2015 9:37:52 AM New Hope, PA  

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Quote from lobo_corazon:
You know that prisoners have had free access to healthcare since before Obama was born, right?

What is it about the single-payer healthcare systems that work just fine all over the world (for half the price of yours) that terrifies you so?


It's called FauxNews and Clear Channel right wing radio. I actually think the Clear Channel right wing talk radio is doing more harm than the FauxNews. Clear Channel is owned by Bain Capital by the way.

7/24/2015 9:39:44 AM New Hope, PA  

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Quote from nole_89:
It's called FauxNews and Clear Channel right wing radio. I actually think the Clear Channel right wing talk radio is doing more harm than the FauxNews. Clear Channel is owned by Bain Capital by the way.

Heh - Romney Radio?

Gotta love what passes for "credible sources" to right-wing minions.


7/24/2015 9:39:53 AM New Hope, PA  

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Quote from peterk2:
your friends are destroying it already, and it will be broke anyway, with the bummer care overload, the fraud, and the theft


just like you commies have done with the ss disability fund, now broke


just like you are doing with the regular ss fund



spare us the GOP crap.[\i]


Peterk = I have no job and no life so I post on the politics message board at an also-ran dating site.

7/24/2015 9:47:48 AM New Hope, PA  

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One of the most amazing things about middle-class Americans fighting for this for-profit abomination of a healthcare system they adore, is that they have been paying more tax dollars per capita for healthcare than Canadians do... But most of them aren't even benefiting from the government-paid healthcare that they fund! The money goes mainly to:
- VA and active military healthcare
- Health insurance for other government employees
- Medicare
- Medicaid
- Healthcare for prisoners

In Canada you would be paying less tax money towards healthcare and your family would be covered too, as well as the veterans, the poor, and the seniors. But instead you working Americans are paying that much again for your own private insurance (either directly, or by deduction from your pay)!

It's a measure of how deeply deluded a group of people can become by their handlers, that anyone in the US (who isn't wealthy) would oppose the idea of switching to single-payer healthcare.



[Edited 7/24/2015 9:49:04 AM ]

7/24/2015 9:54:11 AM New Hope, PA  

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Quote from lobo_corazon:
Heh - Romney Radio?

Gotta love what passes for "credible sources" to right-wing minions.


You outta hear this shit. The lies and the twisting that come out of this propaganda machine and the ignorant and uneducated white people that believe every word of it(mostly over 40 rednecks in the south). It's quite a phenomenon that the poorest states in the union are also the reddest.



7/24/2015 10:06:12 AM New Hope, PA  
mr_optimistic
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Quote from 61falcon:
Hillary isn't the one calling for an end to Medicare.


No, but Obama Did.

Did you know that Hillary was the first who suggested the Obamacare while she was the president.?

7/24/2015 10:19:40 AM New Hope, PA  
nat_now
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It’s an actuarially unsound health care system,” Bush told the crowd at a town hall in New Hampshire, adding that “$50 trillion dollars of debt has been accrued and if we do nothing, that’s the burden that we’re going to place on your children and grandchildren.”


***

If you're FOR Medicare for your children and grandchildren, ask yourself...

do you wake up everyday and ask yourself which insurance company you would like to call today to purchase funeral insurance, long-term care insurance, disability insurance, mortgage insurance, accident insurance..

Oh yeah..you just love buying INSURANCES..

Would any mention of phase outs have to do with aging baby boomers who have had plenty of chance to give away their assets to their descendants so if they need long term care, there's insufficient funds for government via medicare and soc sec to cover the ever increasing expenses involved in that care as they all are living longer and longer?
Alzheimers is a disease that one can need many yrs of care and is on the increase as more age..and people do live a long time with it in many cases but need constant care etc. The government has FAILED us with their lack of foresight, and the "accounts" called reserves and trust funds were LIES. Not even truly handled legally as TRUSTS.

What did people ever do BEFORE these PROGRAMS.

7/24/2015 10:20:37 AM New Hope, PA  
nat_now
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Quote from mr_optimistic:
No, but Obama Did.

Did you know that Hillary was the first who suggested the Obamacare while she was the president.?


First Lady..

And they hushed that woman right back into her "place" quick.lol

7/24/2015 10:32:35 AM New Hope, PA  

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Quote from nat_now:
It’s an actuarially unsound health care system,” Bush told the crowd at a town hall in New Hampshire, adding that “$50 trillion dollars of debt has been accrued and if we do nothing, that’s the burden that we’re going to place on your children and grandchildren.”


***

If you're FOR Medicare for your children and grandchildren, ask yourself...

do you wake up everyday and ask yourself which insurance company you would like to call today to purchase funeral insurance, long-term care insurance, disability insurance, mortgage insurance, accident insurance..

Oh yeah..you just love buying INSURANCES..

Would any mention of phase outs have to do with aging baby boomers who have had plenty of chance to give away their assets to their descendants so if they need long term care, there's insufficient funds for government via medicare and soc sec to cover the ever increasing expenses involved in that care as they all are living longer and longer?
Alzheimers is a disease that one can need many yrs of care and is on the increase as more age..and people do live a long time with it in many cases but need constant care etc. The government has FAILED us with their lack of foresight, and the "accounts" called reserves and trust funds were LIES. Not even truly handled legally as TRUSTS.

What did people ever do BEFORE these PROGRAMS.


Obama caved on ACA and let the insurance companies write the bill. Had it been a single payer system without health insurance companies influence it would have been a much better deal. Obama is a DINO. That much was proven with the TPP.

7/24/2015 10:51:12 AM New Hope, PA  
peterk2
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"caves" on everything except fighting conservatives.


that, along with the friends buying the media, is real strong on.


bravo for communism. and you help. what happened to your other stupid screen names?



[Edited 7/24/2015 10:51:33 AM ]

7/24/2015 10:53:03 AM New Hope, PA  

nole_89
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The word "conservative" has been butchered. Today it means corporatist. And you carry the water for them.

7/24/2015 10:54:26 AM New Hope, PA  
peterk2
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you mean the way yahoo has made more millionaires in a decade than russia has in its entire history?


or ford?


or coca cola?



[Edited 7/24/2015 10:55:01 AM ]

7/24/2015 11:34:56 AM New Hope, PA  
giss7
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Didn't the first n**ger strip $500 billion from medicare? He said that would make "it stronger."

7/24/2015 12:00:18 PM New Hope, PA  
mralwaysrite
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Quote from lobo_corazon:
Heh - Romney Radio?

Gotta love what passes for "credible sources" to right-wing minions.


1. Jeb Bush Says We Should Phase Out Medicare

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jeb-bush-medicare_55b11e41e4b0a9b94853e9eb

2. The Rachel Maddow Show

Jeb Bush pushes to ‘phase out’ Medicare

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/jeb-bush-pushes-phase-out-medicare



If huffi and msnbc reported it, then it must be true

7/24/2015 12:54:04 PM New Hope, PA  
61falcon
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PISS I suggest you read the 2010 Obama proposed $716 Billion cuts in the Medicare Budget which targeted REDUCTION IN PROVIDER REIMBUSEMENTS and CURBS TO FRAUD AND WASTE but not a single mention of a reduction in any benefits.Learn to read and comprehend.

7/24/2015 1:01:46 PM New Hope, PA  
peterk2
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aww.......they targeted? gee thats nice



fake md setups beat them for millions, 60 billion is the latest fraud number


dont come crying to us about $ and resources for the poor. stop the theft first



http://6abc.com/news/$60-billion-medicare-funds-improperly-paid-report-finds/873045/



[Edited 7/24/2015 1:02:55 PM ]

7/24/2015 1:40:24 PM New Hope, PA  
aposorichie
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Maybe they will find illegals on medicare.

7/24/2015 3:10:48 PM New Hope, PA  
giss7
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Quote from 61falcon:
PISS I suggest you read the 2010 Obama proposed $716 Billion cuts in the Medicare Budget which targeted REDUCTION IN PROVIDER REIMBUSEMENTS and CURBS TO FRAUD AND WASTE but not a single mention of a reduction in any benefits.Learn to read and comprehend.


So n**ger, you mean for the first 5 years the first n**ger gave away 3/4th of a trillion per year? Good n**ger.

7/24/2015 4:02:47 PM New Hope, PA  
61falcon
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piss as usual you just continue to display what a poorly educated loafer you really are.

7/24/2015 6:13:02 PM New Hope, PA  
giss7
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Quote from 61falcon:
piss as usual you just continue to display what a poorly educated loafer you really are.



Says the handout foulcoon

7/24/2015 6:41:55 PM New Hope, PA  
61falcon
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piss your ignorance is exceeded by only your ugliness.

7/24/2015 9:27:23 PM New Hope, PA  
giss7
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Quote from 61falcon:
piss your ignorance is exceeded by only your ugliness.



But you are a scum who lived on handouts from others your whole life f*gcum. I kind of like it that you f*gs don't think I'm hot thanks

7/24/2015 10:01:12 PM New Hope, PA  
61falcon
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Strange how you seem to be such an expert on all this f*g related,PISS??

7/24/2015 10:45:22 PM New Hope, PA  

jester0011
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the voucher plan is a nightmare,do the math

7/25/2015 5:21:54 AM New Hope, PA  
giss7
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Quote from 61falcon:
Strange how you seem to be such an expert on all this f*g related,PISS??



I should, I've been talking to you for years and you should be the f*g poster boy.

7/25/2015 5:52:32 AM New Hope, PA  
aidanman
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Most Republicans also want to get rid of social security, too.

7/25/2015 6:55:49 AM New Hope, PA  
giss7
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Quote from aidanman:
Most Republicans also want to get rid of social security, too.


Another lying f*g liberal. Please adumbman, post quotes from "most" republicans saying they want to get rid of ss. I'll take quotes from just 10 of them. But you can't because you are just another liberal failure.

7/25/2015 7:10:56 AM New Hope, PA  

duchessa
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Quote from 61falcon:
Jeb Bush has just announced, in New Hampshire, that he wants to end Medicare, which provides partial healthcare coverage to Americans over age 65,and something which I and all those who worked contributed to from it's inception and still do each month in retirement.He proposes no viable alternative, which can only indicate that he has sold out to the ever decreasing health insurance companies.Clearly another Greedy Old Party move to further decimate the middle class.


Did you get this info. from a reliable source? If so, it would be wise to made this info. very well known to the older population. I guarantee you Jeb, chubby cheeks, Bush won't win the primary.

7/25/2015 7:14:54 AM New Hope, PA  

duchessa
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Quote from 61falcon:
This action would leave all of Americas retirees with little or no health insurance and no financial means to purchase it.


Not really, we teachers will have our insurance. Presently covers everything (GHI) and, then, will continue to do so.

7/25/2015 7:17:44 AM New Hope, PA  

duchessa
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Quote from mr_optimistic:


Did you know that Hillary was the first who suggested the Obamacare while she was the president.?


You mean..."when Hillary was the First Lady"

7/25/2015 12:04:35 PM New Hope, PA  
nat_now
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Quote from aidanman:
Most Republicans also want to get rid of social security, too.


Because it is just a bunch of iou's.. there's nothing in there... they fund it as it comes up to pay... they all lied.. there's no real "trust fund" nor reserves... empty "lockbox"...

Phase out of medicare will just place everyone in ACA REGARDLESS of age? Or if that's repealed/replaced or goes back to private purchase, people will buy their own insurance for old age .. &no more taxing for soc sec nor medicare. I guess the younger set better save 10% of their paychecks and try to get it to earn $$$$$$$ for their own retirement future..

Wow.. insurance companies and healthcare industry and banks win again

7/25/2015 12:06:41 PM New Hope, PA  
peterk2
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that must be why the health care co's are merging like mad

7/25/2015 12:15:51 PM New Hope, PA  
61falcon
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duchessa that's because teachers had a union,not true for the vast majority of Soc.Sec.and Medicare recipients.Those who worked for any quasi government related employers have far better benefits than anyone who worked in the private sector.

7/25/2015 12:35:15 PM New Hope, PA  
peterk2
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Quote from 61falcon:
Jeb Bush has just announced, in New Hampshire, that he wants to end Medicare, which provides partial healthcare coverage to Americans over age 65,and something which I and all those who worked contributed to from it's inception and still do each month in retirement.He proposes no viable alternative, which can only indicate that he has sold out to the ever decreasing health insurance companies.Clearly another Greedy Old Party move to further decimate the middle class.



medicare is going broke. so bummercare laid a much bigger problem on us.


how smart is it to build a new wonderful new addition onto a house that is falling apart and being eaten up by termites?


pretty smart if your aim is to buy votes and bankrupt america at the same time

7/25/2015 3:27:49 PM New Hope, PA  

duchessa
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Quote from 61falcon:
duchessa that's because teachers had a union,not true for the vast majority of Soc.Sec.and Medicare recipients.Those who worked for any quasi government related employers have far better benefits than anyone who worked in the private sector.


Gee, I needed you to tell me the above to realize HOW GOOD MY OLD YEARS WILL
BE.

See, falcon, after putting up with years of harassment we more than deserve everything we get.

7/25/2015 3:39:45 PM New Hope, PA  

thunderpump
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The Jebber should want to put an end to ILLEGAL MEXI-CARE!
It is hair-raing for the Trumpster!







7/25/2015 4:04:23 PM New Hope, PA  
61falcon
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Only people over age 65 who have paid in to medicare and younger people with renal failure or ALS can collect Medicare no illegals.

7/26/2015 2:18:45 AM New Hope, PA  

thunderpump
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MEXI-care refers to the illegal aliens who are using Obamacare and schools and welfare other government funded services including jails which are paid out of US taxpayers pockets.

Politicians who want to cave on illegal immigration are a shame to our country's borders and economy. Trump is right about dubious immigrants and the price American families have to pay in grief. We have enough gang problems and death in Obama's hometown of Chicago without letting foreign criminals over-run our system.



7/26/2015 4:17:45 AM New Hope, PA  
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7/26/2015 7:21:23 AM New Hope, PA  
giss7
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Quote from aposorichie:



That's right, I almost forgot. Bush wouldn't let him kill her for the insurance money. In the end they were allowed to murder her.



61falcon - New Hope, PA