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9/4/2008 6:48:02 PM	Normally I don't do this, but I have to sound off...
slkm1 Cleveland, OH age: 35	I love your response!!! I don't really care what people believe in, but it is another when they push it on you. I guess I believe more or less with the Golden Rule "treat others as you would like to be treated". I remember as a teen I was listening to this religious talk show where this high school girl wanted to attend her dance. Her and her mother called in and her mother said "whatever this guy says, that's what we will do". He said the devil would be at the dance and that she should invite her friends over to listen to Christian Rock records. Are you kidding me? It was a school dance, not some drug rave!!! Then I ask, who is the parent? The Mom, not this clown!!! So sad. Also you would think religion would promote having an open mind "only if it fits their own agenda". Plus I don't like where many religions make us feel powerless and that we are sinning just for living. Please! I know I was given a mind to be opened-minded and compassionate and that is what I live to be.
9/7/2008 5:28:08 AM	Normally I don't do this, but I have to sound off...
wimsygirl Campbellsville, KY age: 64	Quote from slkm1: I love your response!!! I don't really care what people believe in, but it is another when they push it on you. I guess I believe more or less with the Golden Rule "treat others as you would like to be treated". I remember as a teen I was listening to this religious talk show where this high school girl wanted to attend her dance. Her and her mother called in and her mother said "whatever this guy says, that's what we will do". He said the devil would be at the dance and that she should invite her friends over to listen to Christian Rock records. Are you kidding me? It was a school dance, not some drug rave!!! Then I ask, who is the parent? The Mom, not this clown!!! So sad. Also you would think religion would promote having an open mind "only if it fits their own agenda". Plus I don't like where many religions make us feel powerless and that we are sinning just for living. Please! I know I was given a mind to be opened-minded and compassionate and that is what I live to be. yes, you would think that Christians or religous peoples would have open minds ! But that is not the case in my experiance , One way and one only and if you stray you pay by going to Hell ! OH ,give a a break .. THINK out Side the Box ,,,GOD is a GREAT BIG GOD !
9/9/2008 12:19:24 PM	Normally I don't do this, but I have to sound off...
traveljunkie Pittsburgh, PA age: 38	I thank each of you! I enjoyed reading this thread. I myself am Christian but have found myself turned off by organized aspect of the religion. I do believe, from what I read that as a Christian I should not judge another and I should love all. I don't have to agree with everything but I should approach even differences of opinion with love and caring. I know I'm sound a bit cheeky but I think we should walk the walk as they say. Overtly preaching chases folks away and doesn't allow one to convey a message properly and have it openly considered. Also, I want to understand where others are coming from. I want to understand their faiths or spiritual practices (or lack there of) and you can't do that if your are judging and criticizing someone who’s practice differs from your own. Oh well, my two cents. Thanks again!
9/10/2008 10:42:13 AM	Normally I don't do this, but I have to sound off...
otheah Painesville, OH age: 34	Quote from traveljunkie: I thank each of you! I enjoyed reading this thread. I myself am Christian but have found myself turned off by organized aspect of the religion. I do believe, from what I read that as a Christian I should not judge another and I should love all. I don't have to agree with everything but I should approach even differences of opinion with love and caring. I know I'm sound a bit cheeky but I think we should walk the walk as they say. Overtly preaching chases folks away and doesn't allow one to convey a message properly and have it openly considered. Also, I want to understand where others are coming from. I want to understand their faiths or spiritual practices (or lack there of) and you can't do that if your are judging and criticizing someone who’s practice differs from your own. Oh well, my two cents. Thanks again! You are absolutely correct. It is difficult to be open to other view points when we choose to judge others. In my experience, religion is another learning experience. When we close our hearts and minds to the ideology of only a select few, we neglect our own ability to reason and assess situations through our own insight. It is easy to be spoon fed information; taking only what the "trusted" few claim to be reality. Typically, I have found the people that are over preachy are of this persuasion. This does not pertain to Christianity alone. I think it necessary to point that out as this conversation has steered toward that direction. Closed mindedness in and of itself has the unique ability to give one a false sense of security. If we do not acknowledge that anything else exists, or that nothing else can be truth, then we limit ourselves to the same sense of being that we have lived. For me, there is no appeal is such logic. To point, this rationale is a limiting factor in a life for which I would rather grow as a person. I do not find this goal possible if I were to rule every other probability irrelevant. I thank you for your comments. Peace
9/10/2008 11:40:02 PM	Normally I don't do this, but I have to sound off...
queenofhearts61 Seymour, IN age: 62	I find atheists, agnostics, and new age easier to have discussions with. I do not have any belief myself, was christian for 40 years, but outgrew the fairy tales. I think that science has answered many questions that I have had about origins. I still feel that there may be a lifegiver that started life, just not sure what that is. I am still seeking.
9/11/2008 12:17:16 AM	Normally I don't do this, but I have to sound off...
voevode Seattle, WA age: 55	Quote from otheah: I just find it irritating that one person, who has never ventured much farther than their own back yard can lay claim that their religion is the only right, tried and true belief system. Perhaps it's BECAUSE they have never ventured much farther than their own back yard that they believe what they believe. Maybe they need to read ... ..Then he almost fell flat on his face on the floor When I picked up the chalk and drew one letter more! A letter he never had dreamed of before! And I said, “You can stop, if you want, with the Z “Because most people stop with the Z “But not me! “In the places I go there are things that I see “That I never could spell if I stopped with the Z. “I’m telling you this ‘cause you’re one of my friends. “My alphabet starts where your alphabet ends!
9/11/2008 12:41:12 AM	Normally I don't do this, but I have to sound off...
voevode Seattle, WA age: 55	Quote from otheah: I normally tolerate a lot of religious reference. Mainly because everyone has an opinion and I feel they are entitled to it. Having said that, the issue is that the desire to convert me has been expressed in every bit of conversation. The premise is accusatory and implies I am a lost lamb in need of spiritual cleansing. Golly, I don't know. I think myself to be very open minded, but this type of pressure goes way beyond merely sharing one's thoughts on religion. If anything, it pushes me further into my understanding of religion; thereby having the opposite effect of what the individual was trying to gain. One thing I've noticed about such people is that despite what they say, they don't really believe that God exists. Certainly not a God who has everything under control, who has already done the work of preparing people's hearts for salvation--they think they have to do it all. But what would you think of a farmer who not only planted the seed and reaped the harvest--but thought it was his business to CREATE the seed, design its genetic structure, engineer EXACTLY how much moisture it received and what nutrients were used to built it up? No farmer is such a fool--he knows that nature does the majority of the work. But these people don't have even a farmer's understanding of the God they SAY they believe in.
9/11/2008 5:17:31 AM	Normally I don't do this, but I have to sound off...
wimsygirl Campbellsville, KY age: 64	Quote from queenofhearts61: I find atheists, agnostics, and new age easier to have discussions with. I do not have any belief myself, was christian for 40 years, but outgrew the fairy tales. I think that science has answered many questions that I have had about origins. I still feel that there may be a lifegiver that started life, just not sure what that is. I am still seeking. Have you looked into Wicca , I too was christian for 40 years there abouts ,lol I have found lots of answeres in Wicca....
9/11/2008 4:07:50 PM	Normally I don't do this, but I have to sound off...
mtn_man_vail Eagle, CO age: 45 online now!	I have to say that most religions can be harmful, even on an individual basis because it's looked to for answers and that's not what it's there for. It's about how we should live our lives and exist together. In my humbleness
9/11/2008 6:35:35 PM	Normally I don't do this, but I have to sound off...
otheah Painesville, OH age: 34	Hi all. Thank you for your comments. There are many opinions as to what makes us closed minded. My concern is what keeps us in that state. Travel, variety in conversation, willingness to read and look at the "anti-norm".... all of this brings us to an understanding of the concept that the world is much bigger than we (especially the "I") are. Whatever belief system we partake in, we cannot exclude that there are others that will not be persuaded into our way of thinking, no matter what the method. My question is... "does that make them less right or less significant" than what "we" (or "I") have brought ourselves to believe to be? "Who are we to pass judgment or to say what is right or wrong"?, when we ourselves can only surmise through interpreted documentation of history what is reality? I personally believe that we are all of equivalent ability to rationalize and distinguish right from wrong. I honestly believe in the saying, "if it feels good do it". Now, having said that, please understand that the "feel" portion of that statement is not just physical, but mental, as well. So if, with a clear conscience, we can say that we "feel good" in respect to an action or statement that we have created no offense to others, then the probability of it being OK is, well... OK. If there is an inkling of guilt or dissatisfaction, then it is probably wrong. To ignore that inkling is doubly wrong. Just a thought... your opinion is appreciated... Peace
9/11/2008 7:28:50 PM	Normally I don't do this, but I have to sound off...
mtn_man_vail Eagle, CO age: 45 online now!	Ummmmm, you put out a good point, and at first glance it's right there. Then i thought about how many in our nation alone have had horrid and detestfull upbringings that we all have a different subjuctive base for what we feel is right or wrong. This is the disturbing factor in that. How do you feel about this?
9/11/2008 7:37:15 PM	Normally I don't do this, but I have to sound off...
elvyra Conroe, TX age: 57	I personally feel that there is no right or wrong, just some things are discordant and some are harmonious to each of us. We each have our view on it tho. I honor other people's belief but I choose mine.
9/12/2008 11:44:35 AM	Normally I don't do this, but I have to sound off...
voevode Seattle, WA age: 55	Quote from otheah: Having said that, the issue is that the desire to convert me has been expressed in every bit of conversation. The premise is accusatory and implies I am a lost lamb in need of spiritual cleansing. I believe [based on a LOT of similar experiences] that the implication is a lot worse than that. The Christian of this sort does not see you as a human being, an individual. Have you ever felt there was a real 'one on one' communication with this person? Did you ever have a real 'give and take' conversation with them? How much did they try to get to know the real you? If the answer is 'little' to 'not at all', I would say it's because they already believed that they KNEW the 'real' you. The 'REAL YOU' is a 'SINNER', not yet saved by grace--it's his job to help facilitate the 'saved by grace' part. When you get down to it--you're not just a lost lamb--you're a THING. A SUBJECT for spiritual EXPERIMENTATION. Everything about yourself that's important to you--well, all of that is just 'The OLD MAN' that is to be buried in the waters of baptism and raised to 'NEW LIFE IN CHRIST'. An attitude like this is NOT limited to, nor CREATED by Christianity--the adherants of many organized religions, sects and cults behave like this--it's not even the exclusive property of religion. Religion just gives it its greatest strength--but religion can not be blamed for its evils, no more than Klara Hitler can be blamed for the atrocities that her famous son committed. No--when you strip away the religious cloak that such people use, you're left with someone that wants to DEVOUR you. You are FOOD for them. They want to TEAR and GRIND you down with their teeth, SWALLOW you, DIGEST you, and EXTEND themselves at your expense. They NOURISH themselves with your SOUL and SPIRIT [and on occasion, your body], and whatever they don't want--no matter how important it is to you--they SHIT it out. I get steamed by these things too--it's made all the worse by the fact that there ARE real Christians out there who do NOT treat people like this. They act out of a genuine caring and will often prefer to show their love of Christ [or even just their love] through their ACTIONS rather than their PREACHING. As for the others? Their attitude is that of a great collective--'vast, cool, and unsympathetic'. "RESISTANCE IS FUTILE. YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED." Where have we heard that one before?
9/12/2008 11:59:39 AM	Normally I don't do this, but I have to sound off...
blessedlady48 Largo, FL age: 50	there is only one narrow road...to life many wide roads...to destruction.HELL..HADES SHEOL...WHAT EVR U LIKE TO CALL IT ........its ur choice...
9/12/2008 1:24:49 PM	Normally I don't do this, but I have to sound off...
night_tangle Oak Harbor, WA age: 19	Quote from wimsygirl: Quote from queenofhearts61: I find atheists, agnostics, and new age easier to have discussions with. I do not have any belief myself, was christian for 40 years, but outgrew the fairy tales. I think that science has answered many questions that I have had about origins. I still feel that there may be a lifegiver that started life, just not sure what that is. I am still seeking. Have you looked into Wicca , I too was christian for 40 years there abouts ,lol I have found lots of answeres in Wicca.... i find it truely depends on what you're talking about that makes it easier or harder to talk to people of differant religions. lets say i'm talking about religion, the people who are against my religion (christianity) will put words into my mouth and will refuse to listen to a word i have to say. (and this is from my experiance.) then i'll talk to other christians about the strange things i go through or just do that are most easily classified under "magick" and they all tell me that i'm sinning and that God should be the one protecting me from such things. it's hella frustrateing!! i myself looked into wicca. as a religion it's hollow, stateing that wicca was made over thousands of years slowly evolving from primative good luck hunting practices. which in essance means it's not real, that people made it up. now on the other hand it does have those rules and limitation to try and make it's followers nice people. like the 3 fold rule. also, i do understand that the goddess is real, but the term "goddess" is something she or human placed on her. i believe that therwe are some powerfull beings out there but none of them are "gods" other than of course God (but that was implied with my religion, correct?)now wicca as a practice is weak. it constrains people's abilities and weakens them if they truely want to live a life neck deep in the crap most people can't see. wicca as a practice is a good starting point, after that you need to look else where to improve your powers, and i don't mean a new religion. i mean just to over throw the bindings that the practice resticts you with. now before peple get really angery b/c allot of what i said is pretty offensive let me elaborate appon this. i look into other religions, although admittedly not enough, and i don't REALLY try to poke holes into them. but i find them to be failing in certain to many asspects. and yes i have poked holes into my own religion and i have struggled allot with what i believe in. but really in the end for me, bible or no bible i have spoken to God and i kno for a fact He is real. and i just kno to me core that He is all powerfull and that He loves me more than i can love anyone. but it's not all sunshine and lollipops i'll tell you that. now wicca as a practice i find to be weak and failing in many way. but see i use "magick" as a weapon and as a defence above all else. and i kno thats not what wicca is about so that is a major reason why i find it to be faulty, that and the rituals make absolutely no sence to me. and before people get angry at me for useing "magick" as a weopon i do so b/c i get attacked by things. and NO i didn't provok them. i also use "magick" to heal, but i'm not very talented at that. i put quotes around "magick" b/c i'm not sure if what i do is actually considered such but it's the easiest to explain it with. most i manipulate energy. i actually find it easier to talk about other religions than my own b/c after a while i feel like i sound like a "Bible thumper" and it agrivates me to conform to a certian image and i don't like to be held to any image. which is also why i prefure the "other religions" to the "christian" forum. i find there to be allot more ideas floating around over here. and now i have gone WAY off track.. sorry.. [Edited 9/12/2008 1:25:57 PM]

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