2012, will the world end?

9/24/2008 2:45:01 PM	2012, will the world end?
valion Chicopee, MA 63, joined Aug. 2008	So, will the world end in that year? ....you know, the Mayan calendar, the solar system crossing the galactic equator, etc. Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
9/24/2008 3:22:17 PM	2012, will the world end?
skunkbreath Saint James, MO 96, joined Oct. 2007	Highly Probable that it will not.
9/24/2008 3:23:11 PM	2012, will the world end?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 62, joined Oct. 2007	Wow. How many times have I heard that the world will end by such-and-such date? These dates keep popping up and going by. A note about the term 'World.' In the Authorized version this word is translated from several diferent Greek and Hebrew terms. At one point in history, the word 'world' used to mean Age/Eon (Matt.12:32). Mat.13:39 (CLV) Now the enemy who sows them is the Adversary. Now the harvest is the conclusion of the eon. becomes... Mat.13:39 (KJV) The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world ; and the reapers are the angels. Generally the term 'World' means system and is talking about the governments of the world, not our planet. Our system will end, as I have illustrated in the topic "The Duration of Christ's Reign." But I think our Earth will be here long after that.
9/24/2008 3:26:13 PM	2012, will the world end?
tohyup York, ON 53, joined Jan. 2008	Quote from valion: So, will the world end in that year? ....you know, the Mayan calendar, the solar system crossing the galactic equator, etc. Science can not predict the future . As far as religion is concerned everything goes : create a myth and it becomes a religion over night .
9/24/2008 3:26:57 PM	2012, will the world end?
jewelz5 Monteagle, TN 60, joined Feb. 2007	The Mayan calender cycle is 5,200 years in length. 2012 The Zero Year. This year anchors a spiritual certainty and the understanding of cycles of time. The Great Platonic Cycle. The Sun is crossing galactic center at the 2012 junction. In the great cycle of the zodiac it takes the sun 25,920 years to go through the platonic cycle. It is a photonic action, where the whole of our solar system passes through the Photon Belt 2 times in the 26,000 year cycle which happens every 11,000 years and lasts for a 2,000 year period. There is a period of 2,000 years of light. We are coming out of an 11,000 year period of darkness. That is why the vibrational resonsance frequency rate of the planet, the solar system and us is increasing and has been. We ourselves are made up of light. Photons are the highest form of light known and cannot be pinned down in time or space. 2012 is about breaking down the conditioning that is keeping you from seeing your greater reality. It is not about any messianic return or second coming. 2012 is largely dependent upon 'energy focus' and how we choose to go into it. This is not about individual personalities as much as it is about YOURSELF. It is a consciousness awaking that is happening within each person. This is a future that we create. 2012 is an energy field that we create which is largely dependent on our focus in terms of how we choose to go into it. There is a government time travel project called Project Looking Glass. The person looking through the looking glass, determines the future that you see, by what they EXPECT they are going to see in the future. This is an actual government Atlantian reverse engineered time viewing technology, where we are dealing with a situation where how you look at it, does determine the outcome. There is no catalclysmic reality. Some of us will be able to have ascended abilities, full on ascended abilities prior to the actual shift happening. What is expected after 2012, is a 100 more times hormonious utopian world, where things like time travel, levitation, instant telepathy, instant healing, telekenisis are as common everyday as breathing. That is of course if anyone is willing to do their practice which involves the acceptance and the forgiveness of the self. If you can find that place within yourself, then you will be the most compatable for this change. The only reason that someone upsets you is because you have that issue within yourself. Your consciousness creates and outmanifests what you hold in thought. That is why it is very critical to pay attention to what you think about and what you are holding in your consciousness every moment. What you think about and hold in your consciousness and what you put out, comes back to you and shows up in your life in your outerworld as matter. It is a time to get right with yourself. It is not about anyone else. A time of seperation is taking place of a psychological nature, which is in the process of a breaking down of the old to make room for the new. A seperation from the men from the boys, so to speak. You must do your own spiritual homework and come to terms with yourself. It is not about anyone else. Man's task is to become conscious of the contents that press upward from the unconscious. The images of the unconscious place a great responsibility upon a man. Failure to understand them, or a shirking of ethical responsibility, deprives him of his wholeness and imposes a painful fragmentariness on his life. The attainment of wholeness requires one to stake one’s whole being. Nothing less will do; there can be no easier conditions, no substitutes, no compromises. A great change is happening and IS coming to pass, though not the doom and gloom that your rulers are trying to get you to believe in order to bring about the end time scenerio for their benefit. They are trying to prepare the dish to get you to do your own demise, because they don't like it here and they don't like you. They are using religion to scare everyone into submission in order to bring in the end of the ages. your age, literally. Though, they will fail miserably because their religions are a lie and in place to control humankind for enslavement, the enslavement of your mind. That's it. [Edited 9/24/2008 3:46:44 PM ]
9/24/2008 3:45:44 PM	2012, will the world end?
catie4evr2 Virginia Beach, VA 36, joined Jul. 2008	Quote from jewelz5: The Mayan calender cycle is 5,200 years in length. 2012 The Zero Year. This year anchors a spiritual certainty and the understanding of cycles of time. The Great Platonic Cycle. The Sun is crossing galactic center at the 2012 junction. In the great cycle of the zodiac it takes the sun 25,920 years to go through the platonic cycle. It is a photonic action, where the whole of our solar system passes through the Photon Belt 2 times in the 26,000 year cycle which happens every 11,000 years and lasts for a 2,000 year period. There is a period of 2,000 years of light. We are coming out of an 11,000 year period of darkness. That is why the vibrational resonsance frequency rate of the planet, the solar system and us is increasing and has been. We ourselves are made up of light. Photons are the highest form of light known and cannot be pinned down in time or space. 2012 is about breaking down the conditioning that is keeping you from seeing your greater reality. It is not about any messianic return or second coming. 2012 is largely dependent upon 'energy focus' and how we choose to go into it. This is not about individual personalities as much as it is about YOURSELF. It is a consciousness awaking that is happening within each person. This is a future that we create. 2012 is an energy field that we create which is largely dependent on our focus in terms of how we choose to go into it. There is a government time travel project called Project Looking Glass. The person looking through the looking glass, determines the future that you see, by what they EXPECT they are going to see in the future. This is an actual government Atlantian reverse engineered time viewing technology, where we are dealing with a situation where how you look at it, does determine the outcome. There is no catalclysmic reality. Some of us will be able to have ascended abilities, full on ascended abilities prior to the actual shift happening. What is expected after 2012, is a 100 more times hormonious utopian world, where things like time travel, levitation, instant telepathy, instant healing, telekenisis are as common everyday as breathing. That is of course if anyone is willing to do their practice which involves the acceptance and the forgiveness of the self. If you can find that place within yourself, then you will be the most compatable for this change. The only reason that someone upsets you is because you have that issue within yourself. Your consciousness creates and outmanifests what you hold in thought. That is why it is very critical to pay attention to what you think about and what you are holding in your consciousness every moment. What you think about and hold in your consciousness and what you put out, comes back to you and shows up in your life in your outerworld as matter. It is a time to get right with yourself. It is not about anyone else. A time of seperation is taking of a psychological nature, which is in the process of a breaking down of the old to make room for the new. A seperation from the men from the boys, so to speak. You must do your own spiritual homework and come to terms with yourself. It is not about anyone else. Man's task is to become conscious of the contents that press upward from the unconscious. The images of the unconscious place a great responsibility upon a man. Failure to understand them, or a shirking of ethical responsibility, deprives him of his wholeness and imposes a painful fragmentariness on his life. The attainment of wholeness requires one to stake one’s whole being. Nothing less will do; there can be no easier conditions, no substitutes, no compromises. A great change is happening and IS coming to pass, though not the doom and gloom that your rulers are trying to get you to believe in order to bring about the end time scenerio for their benefit. They are trying to prepare the dish to get you to do your own demise, because they don't like it here and they don't like you. They are using religion to scare everyone into submission in order to bring in the end of the ages. your age, literally. Though, they will fail miserably because their religions are a lie and in place to control humankind for enslavement, the enslavement of your mind. That's it. I'm just curious, but who are "they" and what do you think "they" want to accomplish by making anyone believe the end of the world is near? The points you make are pretty much a restatement of lots of things the Bible already talks about, only it's getting right with Jesus which makes us right with ourselves and others not getting right with yourself. This speaks to innerhealing which requires forgiveness of self and others as a big part of the process. So, what I took from what you said was, don't be sucked in to what "they" want you to believe, just do this (which is essentialy what "they" already say to do) and you'll be ready for the "big change" i.e enlightment and empowerment (which is something Christians who have been able to do what you spoke of above, already experience through the power of the Holy Spirit). So how could what "they" want, be bad? I'm not even talking about the end of the world, but I assume you are refering to Christian leaders who preach the Bible am I correct?
9/24/2008 4:06:12 PM	2012, will the world end?
stormbay Tasmania Australia 69, joined Sep. 2004	World society has to get to 2010 first and the way the rabid believers are going, it may not make it. Jewelz explanation is an excellent one, but may not be understood if interpreted as a spontaneous outcomes. However if he is talking outside the concept of time, then I would agree as to me it will be non believers who understand how to harness technology and psychology in a positive and meaningful way. Instead of the ideologically driven self-centred greedy destructive way of god mythologists. There are a number of cosmological theories as to 2012 and also a number of growing understandings which put a whole new picture on the what is a bit to happen to our solar system. Some see the dark rift/galactic equator as a vent from the black hole at the centre of the milky way and is full of dust which will coat our solar system and create spectacular skies for the duration we are in the rift. This theory fits with the cyclical events of a star system which is a static part of the galactic system. Then we have the unfolding twin theories which fit in with what I see as the best probability. A few years ago, astrophysicists determined our solar system was not really part of the milky way, but another bigger galaxy which is gobbling up the milky way and our star system is on the edge of that process and we find ourselves being effected by the operation of the milky way. To enhance that theory and alms create another one, they now think our solar system is a hitch hiker through the milky way and we are moving around within the galaxy and not static as most other star systems are. Now if the theory of us transiting through the milky way and it part of it, may mean it may have been a very long time since we entered the galactic rift, or as a part of a much larger galaxy, we would never have entered the milky way rift, or for that mater even the one in our original galaxy during the time of life on earth. Whatever happens, it will be a different time and one where we will see a great change on our planet as mythical ideology and god will disappear alone with its followers as they psychologically collapse under the weight if reality. I'm looking forward to it, no matter what happens it will be different. But the way things are currently, by 2012, this society will not be here, as economically it is collapsing and there is no way out of that reality or method of stopping it. Sorry, I forgot. Call on god he will come to your rescue, as he always does.
9/24/2008 5:03:24 PM	2012, will the world end?
shakti Red Deer, AB 42, joined Jan. 2008	This reminds me of the death card in the tarot.. people who are new to the symbolism always gasp and think someone is going to die when they see this card. The death card represents change/transformation. This CAN take the form of a death, but most times is talking about the end of a cycle and the simultaneous beginning of a new one... December 21, 2001 will usher in the end of one aeon/age and the beginning of another... there are many legends about this time, astrological, Hopi, Mayan, Hindu, etc.. To answer your question, I say do some research.. there is some fascinating stuff out there!
9/24/2008 5:17:48 PM	2012, will the world end?
rlynn_3 Martinsburg, WV 46, joined Aug. 2008	,civil war in us yes the end no.
9/24/2008 5:46:35 PM	2012, will the world end?
seemonkey Big Pine, CA 52, joined Aug. 2008	"A baktun is 20 katun cycles of the ancient Maya Long Count Calendar. It contains 144,000 days or 400 tuns or nearly 400 tropical years. The Classic period of Maya civilization occurred during the 8th and 9th baktuns of the current calendrical cycle. The current (12th) baktun will end, or be completed, on 13.0.0.0.0 (December 21, 2012 using the GMT correlation). This also marks the beginning of the 13th baktun, as such a term is usually used among Mayanists." from: wikipedia there is no end of days.. compare the event to the odometer in a older car.. when it reached 100,000 miles it rolled over and started a zero again. this is a signifigant rollover date though... it is unique in manys ways. this time we should see 'red sky morning' on Dec 09, 2012 and there may be a Haley's comet type encounter. likely it involves the 10th planet spoke of in native american indian legend. depicted on egyptian pyramids. etc.
9/24/2008 5:53:23 PM	2012, will the world end?
mtn_man_vail Eagle, CO 52, joined May. 2008	Well i don't know where to post this, i looked in current events... nothing and i don't wanna start a new thread, so this is as close to where it belongs. Did anyone see the news of galaxy's that are moving at millions of miles per hr. and not in the right direction? Just when we think we know everything, something jumps out and bites you in the ass! Could this event prolong the calendars? [Edited 9/24/2008 5:54:17 PM ]
9/24/2008 8:07:37 PM	2012, will the world end?
valion Chicopee, MA 63, joined Aug. 2008	I have read that the solar system crossing the galactic equator may cause a polarity shift on Earth. Science cannot say definitively. There have been shifts in the past such as this. I also have seen this occurs every 28K years or so. If there is a shift some speculate there could be massive effects such as earthquakes and volcanoes. Additionally, would such a polarity shift effect our world of electronics/electricity? That could be a massive disaster if it occurs as well. And how could the Mayans know such a significant galactic event would be occurring on exactly that date? They didn't even know there was a galaxy. Or maybe they did know just that. And if they did, who told them? There are also other prophesies such as those of Saint Malachi which point to this possibility. I have seen the predictions of doom before, but never anything with such substance to it. [Edited 9/24/2008 8:31:55 PM ]
9/24/2008 8:20:22 PM	2012, will the world end?
dashoshee Palm City, FL 34, joined Jul. 2008	Quote from jewelz5: The Mayan calender cycle is 5,200 years in length. 2012 The Zero Year. This year anchors a spiritual certainty and the understanding of cycles of time. The Great Platonic Cycle. The Sun is crossing galactic center at the 2012 junction. In the great cycle of the zodiac it takes the sun 25,920 years to go through the platonic cycle. It is a photonic action, where the whole of our solar system passes through the Photon Belt 2 times in the 26,000 year cycle which happens every 11,000 years and lasts for a 2,000 year period. There is a period of 2,000 years of light. We are coming out of an 11,000 year period of darkness. That is why the vibrational resonsance frequency rate of the planet, the solar system and us is increasing and has been. We ourselves are made up of light. Photons are the highest form of light known and cannot be pinned down in time or space. 2012 is about breaking down the conditioning that is keeping you from seeing your greater reality. It is not about any messianic return or second coming. 2012 is largely dependent upon 'energy focus' and how we choose to go into it. This is not about individual personalities as much as it is about YOURSELF. It is a consciousness awaking that is happening within each person. This is a future that we create. 2012 is an energy field that we create which is largely dependent on our focus in terms of how we choose to go into it. There is a government time travel project called Project Looking Glass. The person looking through the looking glass, determines the future that you see, by what they EXPECT they are going to see in the future. This is an actual government Atlantian reverse engineered time viewing technology, where we are dealing with a situation where how you look at it, does determine the outcome. There is no catalclysmic reality. Some of us will be able to have ascended abilities, full on ascended abilities prior to the actual shift happening. What is expected after 2012, is a 100 more times hormonious utopian world, where things like time travel, levitation, instant telepathy, instant healing, telekenisis are as common everyday as breathing. That is of course if anyone is willing to do their practice which involves the acceptance and the forgiveness of the self. If you can find that place within yourself, then you will be the most compatable for this change. The only reason that someone upsets you is because you have that issue within yourself. Your consciousness creates and outmanifests what you hold in thought. That is why it is very critical to pay attention to what you think about and what you are holding in your consciousness every moment. What you think about and hold in your consciousness and what you put out, comes back to you and shows up in your life in your outerworld as matter. It is a time to get right with yourself. It is not about anyone else. A time of seperation is taking of a psychological nature, which is in the process of a breaking down of the old to make room for the new. A seperation from the men from the boys, so to speak. You must do your own spiritual homework and come to terms with yourself. It is not about anyone else. Man's task is to become conscious of the contents that press upward from the unconscious. The images of the unconscious place a great responsibility upon a man. Failure to understand them, or a shirking of ethical responsibility, deprives him of his wholeness and imposes a painful fragmentariness on his life. The attainment of wholeness requires one to stake one’s whole being. Nothing less will do; there can be no easier conditions, no substitutes, no compromises. A great change is happening and IS coming to pass, though not the doom and gloom that your rulers are trying to get you to believe in order to bring about the end time scenerio for their benefit. They are trying to prepare the dish to get you to do your own demise, because they don't like it here and they don't like you. They are using religion to scare everyone into submission in order to bring in the end of the ages. your age, literally. Though, they will fail miserably because their religions are a lie and in place to control humankind for enslavement, the enslavement of your mind. That's it. Wow... [Edited 9/24/2008 8:21:39 PM ]
9/24/2008 10:07:21 PM	2012, will the world end?
lovesgod57 Waukegan, IL 57, joined Jun. 2008	If it interest you, start here and click on the links: http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html A fun evening of reading.
9/25/2008 8:29:41 AM	2012, will the world end?
curiousone2 Springfield, IL 49, joined Jan. 2008	Quote from valion: So, will the world end in that year? ....you know, the Mayan calendar, the solar system crossing the galactic equator, etc. The mayan calendar is a cyclical calendar, it is like a spiral, when it is done, it starts all over again, on a higher octive, that cycle or goal is done, and the next commences, in the year 2012 we will be in a completely different world than we are now, our value system is changing now, and will continue to change.
9/25/2008 11:59:27 PM	2012, will the world end?
dls1977 Dekalb, IL 38, joined Sep. 2008	Honestly no mortal knows. Only God knows for sure.
9/26/2008 12:57:43 AM	2012, will the world end?
freebird2323 Fairplay, CO 59, joined Apr. 2008	WOW IS RIGHT! I think all of what has been written to be interesting. I have never entered such a site/blog/ or whatever U call this however, it is different to read what others think or believe. Honestly, I believe many changes are in the works as I write!! I slightly believe... our world as we know it, WILL NOT END in 2012 but, who really knows? I do think our world physically, as we know it will dramatically change and with that so will people and how they treat others. If the Myan's or the interpretations, of what was wrote is to be..... then so be it. Obviously, something is going to change and needs to change no matter what the planets do. Tides, great masses of water move in strange ways due to the planets gravitational pull!! Sooo when the planets align, guess what!!!! Discovery had an awesome special recently about this. Closing for now with this on my mind. More on this another day as we have time.
9/27/2008 1:54:40 AM	2012, will the world end?
fantasia57 Kingsport, TN 64, joined Jul. 2008	this sound nuts to me. I KNOW THERE IS A GOD.
9/27/2008 2:00:02 AM	2012, will the world end?
lees224 Cohoes, NY 57, joined Feb. 2008	nope it won end then...but there will be some major changes,than what you have known.. oh my...who ever lives now and then...best figure out something sooner than later... big...really big changes..many not very good... please open your eyes...become aware of whats inside and out of you..
9/27/2008 5:23:11 AM	2012, will the world end?
valion Chicopee, MA 63, joined Aug. 2008	Well, good thing Little Mister Testicle has chimed in with his wisdom on this. Sorry I asked the question. You have completely refuted any argument one could make that this should be discussed. (Ignoramus, go back to English class for starters)
9/27/2008 5:00:36 PM	2012, will the world end?
seemonkey Big Pine, CA 52, joined Aug. 2008	testy is 34 and quotes the Mamas and the Papas? giving him any recognition will only entice further posts. maybe that is the goal a guy that is infatuated with balls exudes homosexuality IMO. the Maya are not the only source for 2012 fears. the US is known for using Remote Viewers (psychics) they have been able to assist our military by looking into the enemies war rooms and reading troop movements among other things. these seers all report difficulty in looking past a barrier known as 2012 it is like nothing much to be seen after that date. that is interesting. 2012 will present a unique alignment of celestial bodies in our solar system and is suppose to center us in the galaxy. which is like a clock at noon or midnight... we will be at the peak of high cycle or low cycle that is not in doubt anymore. I am sure the elite have made arrangements for the well being of the chosen to survive whatever impact these future events bring upon mankind.
9/27/2008 5:18:02 PM	2012, will the world end?
seemonkey Big Pine, CA 52, joined Aug. 2008	anal fixation and testi lover seem to have the same typing skills... hmmm if they aren't the same person they should hook up.
9/28/2008 1:48:51 PM	2012, will the world end?
izzyalone Chicago, IL 55, joined May. 2008	We are repeatedly warned……( the end is near!) ............................................. Rev 6:12-17; indicates something very significant will occur to earth prior to Christ's return. Heavens disappear as though rolled up, every mountain and island shook. This is describing the effects a planet X would have on our planet. Niburu - From Timaeus by Plato - Planet X (There have been, and there will be, many and diverse destructions of mankind, of which the greatest are by fire and water, and lesser ones by countless other means. For in truth the story that is told in your country as well as ours, how once upon a time. Phaethon, son of Helios, yoked his father's chariot and, because he was unable to drive it along the course taken by his father burnt up all that was upon the earth, and himself perished by a thunderbolt - that story, as it is told, has the fashion of a legend, but the truth of it lies in the occurrence of a shift of the bodies in the heavens which move round the earth and a destruction of the things on the earth by fierce fire, which recurs at long intervals. At such times all they that dwell on the mountains, and in high and dry places, suffer destruction more than those who dwell near to rivers or the sea; and in our case the Nile, our saviour in other ways, saves us also at such times from this calamity by rising high. And when, on the other hand, the Gods purge the earth with a flood of waters, all the herdsmen and shepherds that are in the mountains are saved, but those in the cities of your land are swept into die sea by the streams; whereas in our country neither then nor at any other time does the water pour down over our fields from above, on the contrary it all tends naturally to swell up from below.) http://groups.google.com/group/izzyalone/web/niburu?hl=en Rev 9: 8-11; these verses indicate an object from space striking earth. Rev 16: 8,9; this sounds like a major sun ejection. Rev 16:17-21, islands vanish and mountains flatten out. Jesus tells us these things are about to happen, and that we are to be prepared for them and ready for His return. What did you do today to prepare for His return? I believe the Mayans experienced a previous passing of Niburu and were able to calculate it’s orbit. The end of the Mayan calendar is the return of Niburu and the re-destruction of the earth as described in Rev 6:12; , the opening of the 6th seal, the mid point of the tribulation. There are things we could do to be prepared, but most are prohibited by cost. (underground (3000'ASL) bunker/ stocked with 10years of supplies, well water and air purification, solar/wind power sources, in a remote area on small established farm/w livestock.) There is no guarantee you would survive an event of this magnitude even if you have planned ahead. But these provisions are a min. requirement and not to many are able to afford a solution like this. …. not looking good……………………
9/28/2008 2:31:44 PM	2012, will the world end?
scorpiomoon Brattleboro, VT 65, joined Nov. 2007	Nobody really knows, there are several spiritual, religious and scientific theories of how the world will end and when, several times in the past there have been predictions of when the world will end, like the years 1000, 2000 and in the future, 2012. Scientifically though planet earth will be consumed when the sun grows to a red giant in a couple of billion years or so, whether or not humans are still around remains to be seen, more than likely we will either be extinct, evolved into another lifeform or no longer live on earth.
9/28/2008 6:25:45 PM	2012, will the world end?
grace777 Dover, MA 55, joined Nov. 2007	the world will never end. The Bible tell us so!
9/28/2008 7:15:30 PM	2012, will the world end?
stringsvrs Syracuse, NY 58, joined Nov. 2007	valion Chicopee, MA age: 56 I have read that the solar system crossing the galactic equator may cause a polarity shift on Earth. Science cannot say definitively. There have been shifts in the past such as this. I also have seen this occurs every 28K years or so. If there is a shift some speculate there could be massive effects such as earthquakes and volcanoes. Additionally, would such a polarity shift effect our world of electronics/electricity? That could be a massive disaster if it occurs as well. And how could the Mayans know such a significant galactic event would be occurring on exactly that date? They didn't even know there was a galaxy. Or maybe they did know just that. And if they did, who told them? There are also other prophesies such as those of Saint Malachi which point to this possibility. I have seen the predictions of doom before, but never anything with such substance to it. Either you are one aged S.O.B. or you lied on your DH profile for age
9/29/2008 12:12:19 PM	2012, will the world end?
izzyalone Chicago, IL 55, joined May. 2008	Quote from grace777: the world will never end. The Bible tell us so! You are very much mistaken. Rev 6:12-17, this clearly fortells the destruction of earth. Also: Rev 21:1; this states that John saw a NEW earth and a NEW sky, for the present earth and sky had disappeared. There is much other prophecy which tells us that the world will be destroyed by fire prior to the return of Christ.
9/29/2008 1:18:41 PM	2012, will the world end?
grace777 Dover, MA 55, joined Nov. 2007	izzyalone, you really need to read it over a couple of times, Rev 6:12-17 is Gods wrath poured out (on the earth) in no way does it say anything about the world will be destroyed. Rev 21:1 same thing with this verse, he makes it clear that the old earth will be made new! never does it say the earth will be destroyed or will come to and end. Grace777
9/29/2008 1:26:08 PM	2012, will the world end?
scorpiomoon Brattleboro, VT 65, joined Nov. 2007	Quote from grace777: izzyalone, you really need to read it over a couple of times, Rev 6:12-17 is Gods wrath poured out (on the earth) in no way does it say anything about the world will be destroyed. Rev 21:1 same thing with this verse, he makes it clear that the old earth will be made new! never does it say the earth will be destroyed or will come to and end. Grace777 SHHHHHHHH!! Grace, Don't tell him that...it sounds like he has his heart set on the world being destroyed! It just makes life..so much more pleasant to believe that stuff...
9/29/2008 4:54:53 PM	2012, will the world end?
izzyalone Chicago, IL 55, joined May. 2008	Quote from scorpiomoon: SHHHHHHHH!! Grace, Don't tell him that...it sounds like he has his heart set on the world being destroyed! It just makes life..so much more pleasant to believe that stuff... I know you two will refuse to listen. You are stubborn rebels! That you make such an unintelligent statement as “it sounds like he has his heart set on the world being destroyed! It just makes life..so much more pleasant to believe that stuff...” only demonstrates that what the word says about you is true.. Ezekiel 2: 1-10; Much of Ezekiel relates to current times and the same attitudes of disbelief which you two display. If there is no hope for mankind, it is because of people like you. The stand you have taken make it impossible for “anyone” to get through. (including God) If I have my heart set on anything, , it’s that He has promised to make it very plain, very soon. I’m sure you two will be ‘startled’ when it occurs. Knowing that is one thing that makes life a little more pleasant and easier to swallow, ..esp. since I tried to reach you and you basically said go away your nuts. What do you think Jesus meant when he said? Matt 24: 14; “the end will come” Matt 24: 29; “sun will be darkened, moon will have no light, stars will seem to fall from the heavens, the powers overshadowing the earth will be convulsed. Mark 13:24; after the tribulation ends the heavens will convulse. Mark 13:28,29- this indicates that we are to understand the signs that signal His return. Daniel 7: 8; the 3 horns that are ‘yanked’ out, is a reference to destruction. Dan 7:9; Describes the return of Christ, AFTER the destruction of the 3 horns (US, Britain, Israel) Grace, I know my scripture prophecy, don't even pretend to think you can call me ignorant. Your the one needing bible lessons. The Rev 6: 12 is referring to the sixth seal, not the wrath of God. The wrath of God is contained within 7 vials which are poured upon the earth after the return of Christ. The seven seals- Rev 5:1 After the seventh seal is opened, Rev 8:1; The seven trumpets are blown, Rev 8;6, Christ takes over His kingdom at the 7th trumpet, Rev 11: 15; Finally in Rev 15: 5-8 we reach the description of the vials which contain God’s wrath. These are not poured upon the earth until AFTER the” harvest has been reaped.” Rev 14:15-20;
9/29/2008 5:16:36 PM	2012, will the world end?
stormbay Tasmania Australia 69, joined Sep. 2004	You are very much mistaken. Rev 6:12-17, this clearly fortells the destruction of earth. Also: Rev 21:1; this states that John saw a NEW earth and a NEW sky, for the present earth and sky had disappeared. There is much other prophecy which tells us that the world will be destroyed by fire prior to the return of Christ. Maybe you should read your own post to see how ridiculous you are. So the world will be destroyed before your christ returns, which means there will be no planet for him to come back to. Why don't you read the original Greek interlinear text, instead of your USA devised crap, it never says the planet will be destroyed, but a new era will be upon the earth, just as has happened in the past. As for your mysterious planet, all it does is represent the depth of you lack of knowledge and how steeped in fear and superstition you are. Ignorance is pure bliss in your case isn't it.
9/29/2008 6:12:09 PM	2012, will the world end?
rlynn_3 Martinsburg, WV 46, joined Aug. 2008
9/29/2008 6:16:56 PM	2012, will the world end?
jaelenesmom Lakeland, FL 41, joined Sep. 2008	LUKE 21:7 And they asked him saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come pass and he said take heed that ye be not deceived for many shall come in my name saying I am Christ; and the time draweth near; go ye not therefore after them. 9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified; for these things must come to pass; but the end is not by and by. 10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom; 11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
9/29/2008 6:50:58 PM	2012, will the world end?
seemonkey Big Pine, CA 52, joined Aug. 2008	"not only this but yet again I will destroy the earth by fire this time" earth becomes the lake of fire...(it becomes a molten liquid sphere. "a new heaven and New Earth" suggests the old one is a goner. JMO
9/29/2008 6:56:03 PM	2012, will the world end?
scorpiomoon Brattleboro, VT 65, joined Nov. 2007	quote from Izzy: If there is no hope for mankind, it is because of people like you. The stand you have taken make it impossible for “anyone” to get through. (including God) If I have my heart set on anything, , it’s that He has promised to make it very plain, very soon. I’m sure you two will be ‘startled’ when it occurs. Knowing that is one thing that makes life a little more pleasant and easier to swallow, ..esp. since I tried to reach you and you basically said go away your nuts. The difference is Izzy....I do have hope, in life, not in destruction. I don't take the bible literally. I know that bad things happen in life but don't think they are from God. Not the natural disasters, or man made ones. If that is my mistake, and you are right, then....so be it. I'm not saying you are nuts, it is your way of believeing, and I have mine.
9/29/2008 7:26:28 PM	2012, will the world end?
skunkbreath Saint James, MO 96, joined Oct. 2007	Rejecting the teachings of a fraud brings out threats and other ego created ploys. Any god that needs prophets with such flawed character traits is a really desperate and pathetic god... A true teacher, if one exists, would only laugh at rejection and ask what else they might offer...
9/29/2008 7:48:24 PM	2012, will the world end?
izzyalone Chicago, IL 55, joined May. 2008	Quote from skunkbreath: Rejecting the teachings of a fraud brings out threats and other ego created ploys. Any god that needs prophets with such flawed character traits is a really desperate and pathetic god... A true teacher, if one exists, would only laugh at rejection and ask what else they might offer... You must be crazy if you think I'm a teacher or a prophet? But it does seem clear you don't have much to offer,( except a bunch of beguiling propoganda so I am laughing ...at you.
9/29/2008 8:17:05 PM	2012, will the world end?
grace777 Dover, MA 55, joined Nov. 2007	izzyalone, STUBBURN REBELS,UNINTELLIGENT STATEMENT,ATTITUDES OF BELIEF WHICH YOU TWO DISPLAY, NO HOPE FOR MANKIND IT'S BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU,YOU TWO WILL BE STARTLED WHEN IT OCCURES, YOUR THE ONE WHO NEEDS BIBLE LESSONS. (WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM,) DO YOU KNOW IT'S CUS OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE CHRISTIANS YOU ARE A HORRIBLE EXSAMPLE OF A CHRISTIAN REMEMBER YOUR SUPPOST TO BE CHRIST LIKE. NOT GOOD
9/29/2008 8:31:13 PM	2012, will the world end?
skunkbreath Saint James, MO 96, joined Oct. 2007	sillyizzy, i was speaking in general terms....seems that you found what i said "close to home".....and i would under no circumstances regard you as a teacher, let alone a prophet.I live in the "bible belt" and have access to many teachers a prophet wanabe's who are off their meds...I am glad that my humor makes you laugh, a very emotionally healing activity which you obviously need.
9/29/2008 8:34:47 PM	2012, will the world end?
skunkbreath Saint James, MO 96, joined Oct. 2007	cool it , grace!...shouting displays lack of grace....Having nothing to say and saying it loudly does not give it substance.
9/29/2008 8:35:18 PM	2012, will the world end?
indoubt Beaumont, CA 40, joined Aug. 2008
9/29/2008 8:50:19 PM	2012, will the world end?
izzyalone Chicago, IL 55, joined May. 2008	Quote from grace777: izzyalone, STUBBURN REBELS,UNINTELLIGENT STATEMENT,ATTITUDES OF BELIEF WHICH YOU TWO DISPLAY, NO HOPE FOR MANKIND IT'S BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU,YOU TWO WILL BE STARTLED WHEN IT OCCURES, YOUR THE ONE WHO NEEDS BIBLE LESSONS. (WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM,) DO YOU KNOW IT'S CUS OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE CHRISTIANS YOU ARE A HORRIBLE EXSAMPLE OF A CHRISTIAN REMEMBER YOUR SUPPOST TO BE CHRIST LIKE. NOT GOOD truth hurts don't it.
9/29/2008 9:03:59 PM	2012, will the world end?
izzyalone Chicago, IL 55, joined May. 2008	Quote from skunkbreath: sillyizzy, i was speaking in general terms....seems that you found what i said "close to home".....and i would under no circumstances regard you as a teacher, let alone a prophet.I live in the "bible belt" and have access to many teachers a prophet wanabe's who are off their meds...I am glad that my humor makes you laugh, a very emotionally healing activity which you obviously need. general my ass, you aimed your barbs right at me and you know it.(you might as well come off your 'high' horse and admit it) You must regard me as something (even if it is an insane person?)...or you wouldn't be responding. If you think I need your kind of bible belt humor to 'heal' me, you must also think yourself to be a greater teacher/prophet than you are willing to admit as well.. (followed by 1 1/2 summersault dive into rabbit hole)
9/29/2008 9:13:13 PM	2012, will the world end?
izzyalone Chicago, IL 55, joined May. 2008	Quote from stormbay: Maybe you should read your own post to see how ridiculous you are. So the world will be destroyed before your christ returns, which means there will be no planet for him to come back to. Why don't you read the original Greek interlinear text, instead of your USA devised crap, it never says the planet will be destroyed, but a new era will be upon the earth, just as has happened in the past. As for your mysterious planet, all it does is represent the depth of you lack of knowledge and how steeped in fear and superstition you are. Ignorance is pure bliss in your case isn't it. ................................................brublabehajh blablabaludal brahliskskyk ..................................................... ................................................brublabehajh blablabaludal brahliskskyk .....................................................................
9/29/2008 9:44:12 PM	2012, will the world end?
sun_shine51 West Monroe, LA 63, joined May. 2008	For the Christians, pleeeease remember
9/29/2008 10:12:47 PM	2012, will the world end?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 62, joined Oct. 2007	Here is a map that I found a while ago, of the United States after some of the cataclysms in 2012. It's kinda a composite from several psychics.
9/29/2008 10:27:44 PM	2012, will the world end?
valion Chicopee, MA 63, joined Aug. 2008	Thanks indoubt, for posting that vid; very interesting.....
9/29/2008 10:30:37 PM	2012, will the world end?
bomd Plainfield, IL 38, joined Jun. 2008	Wouldn't it already be 2012 in Maya years?
9/29/2008 10:42:31 PM	2012, will the world end?
valion Chicopee, MA 63, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from bomd: Wouldn't it already be 2012 in Maya years? I think, it is calculated into our years. So whenever they say it is, the actual time would be our 2012.
9/29/2008 11:25:39 PM	2012, will the world end?
izzyalone Chicago, IL 55, joined May. 2008	Quote from bigd9832: Here is a map that I found a while ago, of the United States after some of the cataclysms in 2012. It's kinda a composite from several psychics. The Canadian Shield which covers part of Canada and the U.S. Why would it be important to learn something about this subject? It may be important to settle on stable ground during the crossover. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Defining some terms http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Laurentia …..The middle of most continents have not been buckled up into mountains the way the edges have been. That is because the middle of the continents are made of very strong old rock. This part of the continent is called the stable craton. Craton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craton A craton (Greek kratos; "strength") is an old and stable part of the continental crust that has survived the merging and splitting of continents and supercontinents for at least 500 million years. Some are over 2 billion years old…... Cratons are generally found in the interiors of continents and are characteristically composed of ancient crystalline basement crust ……… such as granite. They have a thick crust and deep roots that extend into the mantle beneath to depths of 200 km. Basement rock Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Cite This Source Basement rock usually refers to the thick foundation of ancient, and oldest metamorphic and igneous rock that forms the crust of continents, often in the form of granite. Mantle (geology) Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - Cite This Source The Mantle is a part of an astronomical object. Earth's mantle is a ~2,900 km thick rocky shell comprising approximately 70% of Earth's volume. It is predominantly solid and overlies the Earth's iron-rich core, which occupies about 30% of Earth's volume. Past episodes of melting and volcanism at the shallower levels of the mantle have produced a very thin crust of crystallized melt products near the surface, upon which we live... THE INTERIOR PLAINS - of the US http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/LivingWith/VolcanicPast/Notes/interior_plains_region.html ND and SD are stable bedrock. Here are some images of SD and ND. http://www.imba.com/epics/maah_daah_hey_trail.html http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/places/images/photos/phot o_lg_northdakota.jpg http://www.marietta.edu/~biol/biomes/images/grassland/grassn d.jpg grasssland, ND http://www.autrynationalcenter.org/catlin/images/image_IX.gi f South Dakota http://www.sdjudicial.com/circuit_courts/secondcircuit/image s/image001.jpg http://scenicdakotas.com/southdakota/sd-farm.jpg South Dakota http://www.flame.org/~cdoswell/chasesums/SD_bison_01.JPG South Dakota http://www.visitusa.com/southdakota/images/bigsiouxriverpic. jpg South Dakota
9/30/2008 8:38:56 PM	2012, will the world end?
bomd Plainfield, IL 38, joined Jun. 2008	Thanks Valion. Haven't studied that stuff since school, but always enjoy history
10/2/2008 8:07:47 PM	2012, will the world end?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 62, joined Oct. 2007
10/3/2008 1:29:03 AM	2012, will the world end?
lovesgod57 Waukegan, IL 57, joined Jun. 2008	Indoubt forgot to post this one.....oh-oh, double trouble, this and a solar alignment? [Edited 10/3/2008 1:30:42 AM ]
10/3/2008 1:30:06 AM	2012, will the world end?
indoubt Beaumont, CA 40, joined Aug. 2008	Dumm Duh dumm dumm duhhhhh. Put your seatbelts on everyone
10/3/2008 1:36:32 AM	2012, will the world end?
renemotoman Los Banos, CA 43, joined Oct. 2008	dont know if the world will end or it will end as we know it. some people think it will have to do with currency called the amero, and mexico america & canada becoming one ... the last three so that the world becomes a one world order. at this day and age anything is possible?
10/3/2008 1:49:33 AM	2012, will the world end?
lovesgod57 Waukegan, IL 57, joined Jun. 2008	Hmmmm....now what was that 700 billion dollars for again? Why do we have a large space platform orbiting the Earth? Why did Virgin Aero develop a low cost space orbitor? [Edited 10/3/2008 1:55:51 AM ]
10/3/2008 2:01:55 AM	2012, will the world end?
indoubt Beaumont, CA 40, joined Aug. 2008	OMG I saw this totally crazy bug. It looked to be between a grasshopper a bee and a potato bug and it was huge. The aliens have landed pack your bags
10/3/2008 7:52:45 AM	2012, will the world end?
izzyalone Chicago, IL 55, joined May. 2008	Quote from r_7: NO! Only God knows the timeline. 2012 is a wrong projection. Prophetic scenario needs time-longer than that-to come into place. The Anti-Christ needs time yet to put his scenario into place-controlling all of those left on Earth- Killing those unwilling to come into line. Rapture comes next! wrong! the pre-rapture comes next,( Prior to the tribulaion all those who have already died will rise first) for the living will not be raptured until Christ returns at the end of the tribulation. God has revealed the signs of the times through prophecy, those with eyes and ears are able to understand these things and do have a grasp on what the approx. time is... How much more time do you think it will take for the american economy to completely fail, or for terrorists to invade, or for yellowstone to erupt, or for planet x to shift the poles? The anti christ will supposedly come from Europe.The foreign banks already own us. The events that need to occur to coincide with prophecy are rapidly falling into place. We are currently living in the time of the 5th seal. How much time do you think it will take to reach the opening of the 6th seal? I think it could EASILY happen by 2012. you seem to be attempting to pull the wool over the eyes. [Edited 10/3/2008 7:59:08 AM ]
10/3/2008 8:16:15 AM	2012, will the world end?
scorpiomoon Brattleboro, VT 65, joined Nov. 2007	How can someone slander speculation and superstition?
10/3/2008 9:19:37 AM	2012, will the world end?
scorpiomoon Brattleboro, VT 65, joined Nov. 2007	Duh....Nope, I can read just fine. What I am reading from you, my dear man, are very unflattering, "holier than thou", self centered, disrespectful, negative, offensive comments. You, claim to be Christian, but show the complete opposite traits of how a Christian is to portray themselves to believers and nonbelievers. It looks as if it is you that needs to read the scripture, you are defending, especially the ones pertaining to being humble, and non judgemental.

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