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6/4/2009 6:17:59 AM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  

claudius5
Over 2,000 Posts (3,578)
Petaluma, CA
age: 61


Better Than Nothing

I have read this book, "If I'm So Wonderful, Why Am I Still Single?" by Susan Page. In this book she writes:

"When you aren't able to say no at the right moment, you end up in a relationship--or a series of relationships--that are nice, but not great, or great is some ways but mediocre in others. I have a name for these: I call them BTN relationships--Better Than Nothing.

A BTN is a "nice" relationship with the wrong person. It's a relationship that drags on and on, even though it is partially satisfying, and the partners know it has a low probability of survival. BTN's are all those partners who don't love you back the way you want to be loved. They are the commimentphobes you stay with anyway, the old lovers who have simply become a habit, the intimacy-avoiders who feel better than no sex at all.

If you are in a transition period and a "treading water" relationship is all you want, then a BTN isbetter than nothing. But, if a life-long, intimate connection is what you seek, then BTN's are dangerous; they present a major roadblock to finding true love.

In the first place, BTN's consume time and energy that would otherwise be available for meeting new people. Night after night, you curl up next to this person, you've become very used to and watch TV. If a BTN doesn't take you out of circulation altogether, at least it slows you down. For you have to save evenings to spend with your BTN, and you have to save energy to interact with him or her, however unsatisfying that may be.

Problem solving with a BTN takes more energy than usual because when the commiment between two people is limited, their willingness to make changes in order to improve the relationship will also be limited. Rather, than thinking, "Barbara's probably right. I could tell her I love her more often. I know she really wants this," the thinking is more likely to be, "I resent that Barbara doesn't like me the way I am. She's awfully demanding." BTNs drain away your good, positive energy in endless, repetive hassles. They can actually add stress to your life rather then help to reduce it.

But and even worse problem with BTNs is that they chip away, slowly but steadily, at your self-esteem and sense of well being. They make you doubt yourself."

Care to comment and tell what you think after reading this.

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6/4/2009 6:28:01 AM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  
quitesassy
Over 1,000 Posts (1,120)
Massillon, OH
age: 41


I am well aware of a BTN relationship. I have been in that place before and it is
not healthy and it really does do all of those things to a person.

I have learned by trial and error of course, what I will and will not accept. I know
what I have to offer and I know what I want in return.

I will stay single and happy about it rather than get involved in a relationship just
to be in one.

6/4/2009 6:33:32 AM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  
mskitty57
Over 2,000 Posts (2,115)
Tucson, AZ
age: 60


I had a one night stand that lasted 5 years. I guess it was just that, better than nothing.

6/4/2009 6:40:19 AM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  
darlinshel
Over 2,000 Posts (3,655)
Clayton, NC
age: 42


I have been in a relationship like that and I got sooooooooo bored. That isn't something I can stand for long. I ended it because I'd rather be single than bogged down like that.

6/4/2009 7:01:39 AM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  

spider77
Over 1,000 Posts (1,882)
Adamsville, AL
age: 59


Quote from claudius5:
Better Than Nothing

I have read this book, "If I'm So Wonderful, Why Am I Still Single?" by Susan Page. In this book she writes:

"When you aren't able to say no at the right moment, you end up in a relationship--or a series of relationships--that are nice, but not great, or great is some ways but mediocre in others. I have a name for these: I call them BTN relationships--Better Than Nothing.

A BTN is a "nice" relationship with the wrong person. It's a relationship that drags on and on, even though it is partially satisfying, and the partners know it has a low probability of survival. BTN's are all those partners who don't love you back the way you want to be loved. They are the commimentphobes you stay with anyway, the old lovers who have simply become a habit, the intimacy-avoiders who feel better than no sex at all.

If you are in a transition period and a "treading water" relationship is all you want, then a BTN isbetter than nothing. But, if a life-long, intimate connection is what you seek, then BTN's are dangerous; they present a major roadblock to finding true love.

In the first place, BTN's consume time and energy that would otherwise be available for meeting new people. Night after night, you curl up next to this person, you've become very used to and watch TV. If a BTN doesn't take you out of circulation altogether, at least it slows you down. For you have to save evenings to spend with your BTN, and you have to save energy to interact with him or her, however unsatisfying that may be.

Problem solving with a BTN takes more energy than usual because when the commiment between two people is limited, their willingness to make changes in order to improve the relationship will also be limited. Rather, than thinking, "Barbara's probably right. I could tell her I love her more often. I know she really wants this," the thinking is more likely to be, "I resent that Barbara doesn't like me the way I am. She's awfully demanding." BTNs drain away your good, positive energy in endless, repetive hassles. They can actually add stress to your life rather then help to reduce it.

But and even worse problem with BTNs is that they chip away, slowly but steadily, at your self-esteem and sense of well being. They make you doubt yourself."

Care to comment and tell what you think after reading this.

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6/4/2009 7:16:47 AM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  

awakeing
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,721)
Walled Lake, MI
age: 38


I love that you posted this. I'm very grateful to have had
a chance to read something that could better explain how I
personally feel.

I don't ever want to waste my energy on a BTN. Life is too short
and I'd like a chance to experience the joy and passion in life
that comes with a real relationship.

Thank you Claudis.

Edit: Just wanted to add that I personally feel BTN relationships
feed into that deep feeling of being stagnant as a person, adds to
depression, anxiety, frustration, and anger.



[Edited 6/4/2009 7:19:17 AM ]

6/4/2009 10:18:56 AM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  
barbaraajo
Over 7,500 Posts!! (8,419)
Reston, VA
age: 54


I would rather have nothing

6/4/2009 10:33:43 AM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  
yourfriendbob
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,400)
Fayette, OH
age: 56


Couldn't agree more.
If it isn't right, it isn't right and pretending that it is just to avoid being alone only demeans you as a person and makes you less ready if the real thing comes along...

6/4/2009 11:13:16 AM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  
patsy09
Whiting, IN
age: 57


I donot like being single but being in a btn is limiting in that you may be depriving yourself in finding the "perfect match", I have met guys who I would love to stay friends with but when I try to explain they just don.t do it for me as a potential partner, they end up mad and never communicate with me...how sad..their loss but at my age a better than nothing?...nope I won,t settle.

6/4/2009 11:28:26 AM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  
i_am_bill
Over 2,000 Posts (3,440)
Astatula, FL
age: 51


To play a little bit of devil's advocate, there are people who deny themselves any relationships at all on the belief that somewhere there is a "soulmate" waiting for them. And they die lonely having never loved. I have had two people close to me who have lived their lives out like this. So, is the BTN relationship tolerable to a point? "

Or is their really no such thing as a BTN and our own quirks and psychosis' cause us to sabotage relationships and "create" the BTN?

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Bill

6/4/2009 11:47:15 AM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  
mdd3rd
Miamisburg, OH
age: 39


my last relationship was like that, i took a lot of shit just to keep the relationship. then i woke up and said, being alone is better than this. i have made sure not to make the same mistake. i am now in a great relationship.

6/4/2009 5:06:13 PM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  

sandra49ok
Over 1,000 Posts (1,676)
Shelton, WA
age: 51


give me all or give me nothing nothing in between will do

6/4/2009 5:44:56 PM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  
cinthianna01
Over 7,500 Posts!! (8,947)
Goshen, IN
age: 91


I agree with the concept of this thinking but find flaws in it.

The big flaw I see is that it teaches people to jump the ship anytime they see a problem. Relationships shouldn't be like pulling teeth with a pair of pliers. However they do take an investment to work.

To tell someone that the relationship they have is not worthwhile, because it is only a BTR when in reality it could be the relationship of their dreams if they put a little effort into instead of dreaming of the fantasy life that is never going to happen. Sets people to think that there is better and there might be but, that doesn't mean they should discard what they have on a whim either. And practices like this seem to encourage that.

It's very easy to blame the other person for not meeting ones needs. But, in reality before discarding something in hopes to seek better they really should take a serious look at their own actions and make damn well sure that they are meeting the needs they are supposed to meeting as well.

This isn't a diss on the OP or the person who wrote the book, It is just my take on people who are very quick to assume something is less than it should be. When in reality a few years down the road the security and comfort that relationship provided will end up being something the person that left is craving...

Last but not least, I know that there are relationships that are just a damn waste of time all the way around those do need to be discarded. Those aren't the ones, I am referring to..the one's I am referring to are the ones where the two have become bored with each other and are seeking to find what they had somewhere else, instead of working on what they have...People shouldn't be "upgradeable" in that sense.

6/4/2009 5:47:35 PM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  

122750again
Over 7,500 Posts!! (9,827)
Sioux Falls, SD
age: 60


Sums up my last one,BTN And the 3 marriages were Stunt Grooms

6/4/2009 6:14:57 PM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  

claudius5
Over 2,000 Posts (3,578)
Petaluma, CA
age: 61


Quote from i_am_bill:
To play a little bit of devil's advocate, there are people who deny themselves any relationships at all on the belief that somewhere there is a "soulmate" waiting for them. And they die lonely having never loved. I have had two people close to me who have lived their lives out like this. So, is the BTN relationship tolerable to a point? "

Or is their really no such thing as a BTN and our own quirks and psychosis' cause us to sabotage relationships and "create" the BTN?

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Bill


Interesting point to be sure. Some more food for thought. Thanks.

6/4/2009 6:17:33 PM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  

claudius5
Over 2,000 Posts (3,578)
Petaluma, CA
age: 61


Quote from cinthianna01:
I agree with the concept of this thinking but find flaws in it.

The big flaw I see is that it teaches people to jump the ship anytime they see a problem. Relationships shouldn't be like pulling teeth with a pair of pliers. However they do take an investment to work.

To tell someone that the relationship they have is not worthwhile, because it is only a BTR when in reality it could be the relationship of their dreams if they put a little effort into instead of dreaming of the fantasy life that is never going to happen. Sets people to think that there is better and there might be but, that doesn't mean they should discard what they have on a whim either. And practices like this seem to encourage that.

It's very easy to blame the other person for not meeting ones needs. But, in reality before discarding something in hopes to seek better they really should take a serious look at their own actions and make damn well sure that they are meeting the needs they are supposed to meeting as well.

This isn't a diss on the OP or the person who wrote the book, It is just my take on people who are very quick to assume something is less than it should be. When in reality a few years down the road the security and comfort that relationship provided will end up being something the person that left is craving...

Last but not least, I know that there are relationships that are just a damn waste of time all the way around those do need to be discarded. Those aren't the ones, I am referring to..the one's I am referring to are the ones where the two have become bored with each other and are seeking to find what they had somewhere else, instead of working on what they have...People shouldn't be "upgradeable" in that sense.


Thank you for adding to the discussion, I appreciate another viewpoint.



[Edited 6/4/2009 6:21:37 PM ]

6/4/2009 9:40:14 PM A Discussion On Better Than Nothing  
goddess56
Over 1,000 Posts (1,964)
Tulsa, OK
age: 61


Many people become comfortable in a relationship and quit working on it. That's when the BTN thinking takes over. It becomes the old comfy house shoes as opposed to the spike heels...

However, at one time, every BTN started out differently. There was SOMETHING there that caught your eye, caught your interest, piqued your curiosity, raced your motor, floated your boat.

If the BTN relationship has any merit, any potential to become better, then work on it and see if there is still any spark left. If not, then it's time to move along. It doesn't means that we're simply throwing a good thing away, but it does mean that we understand that it isn't and can't be what we thought it might be in the beginning.

It's like the person who feeds the starving cat JUST ENOUGH to keep it coming back, but not enough to let it be healthy.



[Edited 6/4/2009 9:41:03 PM ]