Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream pt 1

12/13/2007 11:11:01 PM	Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream pt 1
yankeeluvspeach Athens, GA age: 29	not to go off topic here, but I look at it like the the drug war, although now that I think of it, it's connected since a lot of drugs come from our mexican border. Same thing though. Drugs provide just too tempting of an offer for someone who's dirt poor, dying of starvation and lack of hope and witness to god knows what in the form of prostitution, abuse, etc. How do you expect them to act, given what they have to lose, which is nothing or next to it, and so much to gain (read as $$$, power, respect) Hell, even in prison, you get three square meals a day and a chance to earn a highschool degree. People like you and I can't even contemplate selling drugs because we HAVE so much to lose. If nothing else, I wouldn't do it just for the shame/embarassment it would bring my family. No one gives a squat about their families (that is the people coming across illegally and smuggling drugs). No one cares that their mom's got a bad back and has to work 16 hour shifts with no bathroom break, 7 days a week. Well at least no one cares enough to stop buying clothes and such at Walmart and the like, because it's $.75, $1, $2 cheaper than products made in places where they pay a decent wage, establish reasonable working conditions. I like saving money just as much as the next person, but as one book called the Walmart Effect http://www.walmarteffectbook.com/ says when ever you see prices being cut, they're cutting out things like health care, wage rates, etc. We as Americans have been so conditioned to be good consumers, shop around and look for the best deal, that we're cutting off our nose to spite our face. We all know you can't get something for nothing, yet we don't mind turning a blind eye, or at least not bothering to look deeper, when we see a good deal. And I don't think, as knight and I previously agreed, throwing money at the situation is the solution. I think we need to STOP spending our money at places like this (and Walmart isn't the only one, just the best at it, much like it's fast food counterpart McD's) until the corporations get the idea that "hey, maybe Americans really are willing to take their morals with them to the grocery store." I don't know... It's complicated. That's for sure.
12/13/2007 11:36:12 PM	Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream pt 1
cabby37 Elkhart, IN age: 48	Yankee Well being kicked in the nuts is one thing but if words in type really bother you then well maybe ya shouldn't read it... BTW just a Thought Anyway People need to leave that do not belong in this country due to citizenship or criminal records..... China Part of the issue for the Health care crisis is due to so many people that are here in the U.S. is due to the illegals that are here now the cost of health care rises Due to hospitals not making money from having to support the illegals since they are not paying the bills that they incurred and clinic as well we have a clinic here and any given time you go in and you will see it flooded with illegals getting health care for free well who has to pay for this WE do this one is funded by the city and private donations they have moved 4 times into bigger bldgs because of the amount of people going there.... and yes Michigan is bad HMMM lets look at there Governor Since she has been in office she has cut Medicaid less help for people less can get on.... my son works at Long John Silvers and can get health care for him for about 20.00 a week 80.00 a month his job b4 that was 8.00 a week so if someone is paying that much for health care the they should look for a new provider Michigan has issues the Taxes are so high there it is hard for companies and why would a company want to move there when they can go to Indiana or ohio and most other states and taxes would be cheaper.....
12/13/2007 11:45:00 PM	Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream pt 1
leahmarie Aston, PA age: 59	gypsy...... I cut/pasted part of your post ..... I got the impression that this article was supposed to make people feel sorry for Brazilians, but just made me think that at least they had some common sense. Wish they would get the rest of the illegals to do the same. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Right on!
12/14/2007 12:05:09 AM	Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream pt 1
yankeeluvspeach Athens, GA age: 29	cabbie[[[[ Well being kicked in the nuts is one thing but if words in type really bother you then well maybe ya shouldn't read it... BTW just a Thought]]]] I think you're probably right. Problem is the guy started following me to every place I'd post. So do I just stop posting or try to ignore only his posts? What about when other people reply to and reference his posts... I've been told I'm too thin skinned, by many a people. I guess I figure I'd rather error on that side than be the opposite, as I've dealt with my share of callous bastards. Not something I liked. Thanks for your suggestion. I'll take it under strong consideration. [[[[[Anyway People need to leave that do not belong in this country due to citizenship or criminal records..... China Part of the issue for the Health care crisis is due to so many people that are here in the U.S. is due to the illegals that are here now the cost of health care rises Due to hospitals not making money from having to support the illegals since they are not paying the bills that they incurred and clinic as well we have a clinic here and any given time you go in and you will see it flooded with illegals getting health care for free well who has to pay for this WE do this one is funded by the city and private donations they have moved 4 times into bigger bldgs because of the amount of people going there.... and yes Michigan is bad HMMM lets look at there Governor Since she has been in office she has cut Medicaid less help for people less can get on.... my son works at Long John Silvers and can get health care for him for about 20.00 a week 80.00 a month his job b4 that was 8.00 a week so if someone is paying that much for health care the they should look for a new provider Michigan has issues the Taxes are so high there it is hard for companies and why would a company want to move there when they can go to Indiana or ohio and most other states and taxes would be cheaper.....]]]] I think most people here agree with you on the criminal/citizenship notion. I think sometimes people get the idea that this is about being anti-south American, when it's really not. Fact of the matter is it all comes down to geography. If the U.S. was somehow magically transported to Europe or Africa, or where ever, I'd feel the same way if we had a flood of Germans or Somalians. We need to give everyone an equal chance and they should apply through official channels, pay their taxes, follow our laws and do their part to keep this country great. It just gets difficult when you start talking about turning sick people, especially kids away. I do agree that it's not fair for them to drain our medical system without putting anything in, the question then becomes really "How do we get people to do all of the above?" I honestly don't know the solution. I was intreged by Senator Huckabee's idea of getting rid of income tax, and moving towards a system that runs off of sales, real estate, etc taxes, as working off the grid as so many illegals do, won't get them around that. Only problem I see with that is that it might cause a huge black-market supply industry to spring up. And yeah, our current medical system kind of sucks, especially if you don't happen to be working for a company with a really good plan. I really feel for the private business owners who are basically screwed when it comes to paying for health care on an individual level. [Edited 12/14/2007 12:05:28 AM]
12/14/2007 1:27:42 AM	Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream pt 1
knightnyte2 Spring, TX age: 55 online now!	rome/yankee or yankee/rome: And I don't think, as knight and I previously agreed, throwing money at the situation is the solution. I think we need to STOP spending our money at places like this (and Walmart isn't the only one, just the best at it, much like it's fast food counterpart McD's) until the corporations get the idea that "hey, maybe Americans really are willing to take their morals with them to the grocery store." I don't know... It's complicated. That's for sure. where did we agree that throwing money at walmart? i do not recall agreeing with you in anything like this. heck, i'm all for sending factories down to mexico to build plants, pay then a fair wage, and even tax the new companies to support the new water/sewer demands that the mexicans say they cant fund themselves. If the mexicans taxed them instead of accepting bribes for the business, then the companies would stop moving there. rome/yankee or yankee/rome: think most people here agree with you on the criminal/citizenship notion. I think sometimes people get the idea that this is about being anti-south American, when it's really not. Fact of the matter is it all comes down to geography. If the U.S. was somehow magically transported to Europe or Africa, or where ever, I'd feel the same way if we had a flood of Germans or Somalians. We need to give everyone an equal chance and they should apply through official channels, pay their taxes, follow our laws and do their part to keep this country great. It just gets difficult when you start talking about turning sick people, especially kids away. I do agree that it's not fair for them to drain our medical system without putting anything in, the question then becomes really "How do we get people to do all of the above?" I honestly don't know the solution. I was intreged by Senator Huckabee's idea of getting rid of income tax, and moving towards a system that runs off of sales, real estate, etc taxes, as working off the grid as so many illegals do, won't get them around that. Only problem I see with that is that it might cause a huge black-market supply industry to spring up. And yeah, our current medical system kind of sucks, especially if you don't happen to be working for a company with a really good plan. I really feel for the private business owners who are basically screwed when it comes to paying for health care on an individual level. the sales tax income tax suggestion has been out there for years. not just this election. it is the only way we will get a fair tax. yet, with our current congress of politicians, that tax will constantly rise when more money is needed to fund more spending by politicians who deem it necessary. I believe Huckabee might be the man who would call congress on its games and upset Americans to finally let their representatives up there know what they hell they are up there for in the first place. It's total cow patties for someone running to spend $3-25 million to get elected to congress for a $162,500/year job. folks who donate to get them elected expect payback. folks, in your typical business today, thats called a bribe and is frowned on by the same gov that allows it in getting a politician elected. frowned on meaning, you get JAIL TIME for a federal crime. this still does not deal with the criminals that invaded our borders and live here perfectly unafraid of being sent back to whatever country they came from. If our judicial leaders would call the government of mexico and simply say, 'hey boys, we are going to start dumping 3 million of your citizens down across the border at San Diego, Laredo, Brownsville, and parts of AZ, now, you need to come get them and get them back home. We're gonna give them a sack lunch of a couple cheese sandwiches and we're not going to allow them to come back across. These dumpings will start the first of next month, so, yaw' boys need to get ready for them. No, we arent going to give you our buses to use to transport them back, you buy your own with all the subsidies we already give you that you stick in your fat pockets. You got the new NAFTA deal working, so put them to work down there doing something that deals with that. you have the new super port the chinese are building down south of San Diego, so put them to work doing that. We dont care if the chinese are bringing in their own labor to do the work, you deal with the chinese. oh, start finding some markets for the stuff the chinese are going to start unloading at your port, because we are raising our tariff prices and we're going to search each and ever shipment before allowing it into our country. put on your big senorita panties and deal with it. You were all for allowing them to build it, and well, i guess the old saying, that good fences make good neighbors. We're going to take the chinese's advice and build something like the great wall they have right down here between you and us. we'll defend our borders since you want to sell your citizens ladders to get over the fences and not try to do better in your little resource center down there. you have so many natural resources and we dont think the african diamond mines are the only ones abusing their people mining those diamonds. you have gold, emeralds in your southern part, oil floats your whole country and you took that away from our country's business's who invested to get it to the surface. Again, deal with it. Seeya next month with the first load. Each week, there will be another 3-5 million looking to you for food, medicine and shelter. we're tired of supporting your citizens. peace... don't be hatin'
12/14/2007 5:50:04 AM	Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream pt 1
wildgypsy Bellevue, WA age: 45	Yankee “So long as things are on the skids in their own country, people will always be trying to get here by hook or crook or any means necessary to get a shot at a peice of the pie.” But if Brazil is so much better, why do you think they don’t all go there? “calling them criminals is just going to make them that much more inclined not to pay their share.” I disagree, they have been spitting on us for decades, long before they were called the illegal invaders that they are. I see NO reason for any kind of kiss butt coddling for any of them. “teach them how to strike” In their own countries because they don’t even have the right to open their mouths anywhere else. Not going to listen to the demands of a pedophile to serve up little kids either. “But they don't know step one about how to unify and get the word out that management will only pay what it has to pay.” Not believing this either. They study us plenty, and know our history. I think it is more a matter of cowards wanting to take short cuts through theft than to have the backbone to go through with a strike back home. WE FOUGHT for what we have, and they are too cowardly and/or lazy to do the same. “And there may be some countries that democracy just plain isn't cut out for, because of long standing cultural trends.” But their failures are not our responsibility. And if these cultural trends are a barrier back home, we sure don’t want them bringing them to this country. I think we have seen enough of that already. People too ignorant of how to even turn on a thermostat died in their first winter up here from freezing to death! And sooooooooooo many don’t understand basic health and hygiene issues that they leave their trash piling up, which brings the rats…as just one other example. I am sick of seeing how these illegals are dragging our country down to being about as bad as the ones they left. You complain about foreign workers not having health care etc, but many in this country don’t either. Add to that the fact that the burden these illegals are putting on our health care systems, and hospitals having to shut down completely because of it, and yeah, they are going to push our country into being just as bad as what they left. “It just gets difficult when you start talking about turning sick people, especially kids away.” By now, I see it as they shouldn’t be there in the first place, the only thing I see at all is a big sign saying CALL INS. I feel as badly for them as I do a suicide bomber. My trip to Mexico taught me that they actually TRY to look like victims for all the tourists, so they can beg from them. I was completely disgusted. “"How do we get people to do all of the above?" The only thing NEEDED is to prevent them from coming in the first place, and ship all the ones that already snuck in OUT. Then we may be able to get our own country back on a good enough footing to open the doors again, but only to those who have gone through the appropriate methods of entry. Knight “If our judicial leaders would call the government of mexico and simply say, 'hey boys, we are going to start dumping 3 million of your citizens…Again, deal with it. Seeya next month with the first load. Each week, there will be another 3-5 million looking to you for food, medicine and shelter. we're tired of supporting your citizens.” Only put in the … to keep this briefer. But I think ALL OF THAT is what I will be wishing for this Christmas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I may just copy that whole thing and send it to all the reps on my list as a suggestion LOL Do I have your permission?
12/14/2007 6:21:45 AM	Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream pt 1
lust4love Atco, NJ age: 33	As a hispanic American Im a little one sided on any issues of immigration so before I lash out at those who wish to deny others of the right to a better life let me say this. I am a Hispanic American and my love for this country is limited.There was a time when I knew what it was to be patriotic.That time has pasted ,I now feel uneasy about being a citizen of this country.My mother was an immigrant that came to this country 40 years ago.Her education was limited but her will and her work ethic was strong.Im am so proud of her efforts to make a better life for herself.Lately immigration has been a big issue and it has caused an uneasy atmosphere for me and my other friends of hispanic descent. I am not an Illegal but I don't feel that Im part of this country anymore.I was proud to be a hispanic american before the immigration issue became so heated.Now I am basically afraid to even mention my hispanic background or even my ability to speak both languages.It was once a plus to be Bi-lingual,today it only puts a label on me as hispanic.If I mention to an employer that I am hispanic I only get a snicker or a racial joke.The underlying prejudice is quite apparent in most americans without hispanic family members.I guess I should'nt be alive because my mother immigrated to this country illegally.When she married my father she was no longer considered Illegal.Before 1966 this law was not on the books.You were not allowed to marry anyone that was not a citizen.And today the same people who feel threated by non english speaking immigrant are trying hard to reverse this law.I will not be fooled this is pure racism.You may not know that you are racist but take it from me you are racist scum.You don't deserve to be american either [Edited 12/14/2007 6:51:01 AM]
12/14/2007 7:23:46 AM	Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream pt 1
knightnyte2 Spring, TX age: 55 online now!	You are so full of yourself. Hispanic yet calling yourself white because you are ashamed of your hispanic heritage? hey, the only reason you need to be bilingual is to teach other illegals, because they cant speak English. scum? bite the big one. i think a few years earlier the US did a massive round up and sent all the illegals back across the border. if you are hispanic, then you are hispanic.. is it a label or heritage? those same lawmakers that made that law in 1966 are dead. you call it whatever you want, but racism? again, you are full of cow patties. maybe you should load up with those brazilians and go down there where your bilingual abilities will make you rich. again, this is your problem, not the rest of ours. peace.. don't be hatin'
12/14/2007 7:33:18 AM	Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream pt 1
wildgypsy Bellevue, WA age: 45	Lust “As a hispanic American Im a little one sided on any issues of immigration” Why? If you are an American you should see that this overwhelming invasion is damaging your country. “ so before I lash out at those who wish to deny others of the right to a better life” No one here has ever advocated denying anyone a chance at a better life. Only that they do it legally. What problem do you have with that? “There was a time when I knew what it was to be patriotic.” Are you sure? The first part of this post didn’t read that way. “Lately immigration has been a big issue and it has caused an uneasy atmosphere for me and my other friends of hispanic descent.” Because of so many other Hispanics committing so many crimes and giving you all a bad rap would be my assumption, since that is what all the controversy is about. How about taking your resentment and directing toward the criminals causing the problem instead of the victims who want this stopped? ”I am not an Illegal but I don't feel that Im part of this country anymore.” That is a personal problem. No one else can control what you feel. If you feel guilt or shame from what your countrymen are doing, take your gripe to them. Tell them to knock it off. “The underlying prejudice is quite apparent in most americans without hispanic family members.” And that was one big pity pot load of crap. This is not a race issue in the first place, and many with Hispanic family members and friends are just as ticked about the criminal activities, calling those who want to stop crimes prejudice is just a lame ass lie to try to get sympathy where it isn’t deserved. Again, only those with the losing hand play the lame race card where it doesn’t belong. “I guess I should'nt be alive because my mother immigrated to this country illegally.” Geez! More self serving over reactive hype. No, you should have just been born in the country she should have stayed in instead of committing a crime and coming here illegally. But you want to add the histrionics of claiming we would prefer you dead. Spare me. “When she married my father she was no longer considered Illegal.Before 1966 this law was not on the books.You were not allowed to marry anyone that was not a citizen.” Care to explain that one? If it were illegal for your father to marry her at all, admitting he himself is not above criminal activity, how did she end up becoming illegal through what should have been an invalid marriage? But at least you did give a reason why you would condone criminal activity by Hispanics (notice you haven’t even bothered to address the fact that illegals come from numerous countries), you were taught that by your parents. “And today the same people who feel threated by non english speaking immigrant are trying hard to reverse this law.” LOL Threatened hell no, ticked off and resentful of having our money wasted stolen to cater to criminals, hell yeah. “I will not be fooled this is pure racism.” More like you are taking a page from Sharpton and King even trying to claim this issue has a damned thing to do with race. “You may not know that you are racist but take it from me you are racist scum.You don't deserve to be american either” LOL I think it would have been more accurate to state that you have been raised with a criminal mentality and resent that the rest of the country is not allowing more of YOUR countrymen to continue. You sound like a Hispanic who is racist against Americans. Yeah, of all colors, would make as much sense as you trying to make this a racist issue in any way, because IT ISN’T. Trying to twist it into one just for undeserved pity makes you the deceitful scum.
12/14/2007 8:02:25 AM	Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream pt 1
lust4love Atco, NJ age: 33	I can't help it if you feel threatened by people who have the less education than you do.You are afraid of losing your job to someone who can't speak english and has less education than yourself ?lol sorry to laugh at your pathetic butt, you need to go back to school and find a job that requires english and intelligence.America should be a nation of leaders not labors.Use your mind,its a terrible thing to waste.I am not embarrassed to admit i am a white hispanic american,Im afraid to be judged by racist nazi pigs like yourself .I don't need to defend my views and i don't need to direct my comments to any one individual.You didn't choose to be an american you were just born here.You can't look at a person and tell if he is legal or illegal.My father was of irish and swedish descent.So I Am white and Im also half hispanic.I will not be belittle by someone who mistakes pride for prejudice.youre a liar and you know it.You say you don't care about legal immigrants but you do.you know thats not the case at all.There are plenty of bordertowns with millions of legal hispanics.Bill Richardson a presidential canidate is also half hispanic.He won't be elected of course but it shows you the power of the hispanic community is growing.Its not a force to be reckoned with.I don't agree with every american law in the books first of all.I won't get into that right now .If I dont agree with a particular law im sure as hell going to break it.Sorry Im a rebel and I won't be told what to do.I do have morals but I don't spend my life caring about what others do.I just care about the things I do.i suggest you take a good look at yourself before you judge others.Stop blaming you problems and faults on others.Sorry I don't have the greatest grammar or punctuation you'll have to deal with it.i don't have time to be fancy about what i post. [Edited 12/14/2007 11:53:41 AM]
12/14/2007 11:06:44 AM	Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream pt 1
knightnyte2 Spring, TX age: 55 online now!	threatened? are you nuts? most of you liberals think the bank account cannot be empty because you have checks left. They are stealing us blind. Like we've suggested to many other of the whiney liberals, is simple. you bring a couple into your home, feed, clothe them, educate, all the while sponsor them for citizenship, and when they finish, get yourself more. i cannot believe i'm even answering this ridiculous remark of yours. peace... don't be hatin'
12/14/2007 11:12:32 AM	Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream pt 1
cabby37 Elkhart, IN age: 48	lust4love I do not feel threatened at all by them what threatens me is the Problem it is causing on US the people that are here and natural or legal that is causing problems in health care and on the welfare system and the state and local Governments That is what i have issue with... Here is a good example if i meet someone off the internet and wanted to bring them here i have to go through all the HOOPS by law to get them here and keep them here and pay for it the illegals that come in this country they are paying nothing but the state tax on food and so on So for all the money that is paid in taxes from the paychecks pays for social programs and so on that is the problem i have no issue that they want to be here just do it legal what is so hard in that
12/14/2007 12:05:21 PM	Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream pt 1
lust4love Atco, NJ age: 33	it's typical republican rants to complain about someone taking their money away.Get a better job or work 2 jobs like I do.Whether you agree or not these people are building your homes ,school,and cities.Your not hiring them and you have no right to tell anyone to hire or fire them.You want them locked up in the very same prisons that they helped build .You see nothing wrong with this? They pick the fruit that feeds your children and you want their job.Give me a friggin break.Once they are here legally they are not going to take these labor jobs.I could start name calling but whats the point?You are brainwashed my lou dobbs and fox news.The 7th and 8th most common name in america is now gonzales and garcia.This is what the news reported.Im sorry to inform you but the white race cares only about money and other races are populating your country.your majority will be gone soon.you wait and see.
12/14/2007 3:20:41 PM	Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream pt 1
cabby37 Elkhart, IN age: 48	lust4love Don't flatter yourself is has nothing working 2 jobs or my money my point is that you must like paying for people that do not pay taxes.... And again you have no clue about anything it does not take much to get a work visa and then try to get green card..... and as far as being brainwashed LOL why not look in the mirror BTW Doesn't matter with names,,, But again a liberal that wants to go to name calling GEE how unique did i call you a name or get mad or sounded hateful ,,,,, i made a comment not a personal attack And when i was younger i knew someone that hired Mexicans to pick his fields Very nice people we played with the kids ate with them,,, And i was even rescued by them when i fell and broke my arm in 6 different ways I enjoyed talking to them Hell i even worked with them at one of my jobs we laughed and carried on and they even taught me some Spanish... it has nothing to do with who they are and IF YOU would read in my above post i never once said what nationality i said ALL but here you go to Mexico and spend 1 day past your visa and they arrest you... My point is why can every other country have laws about this issue and are super strict so why can't we so we can stop the ones with criminal records from coming in [Edited 12/14/2007 3:38:20 PM]
12/14/2007 3:38:05 PM	Brazilians Giving Up Their American Dream pt 1
knightnyte2 Spring, TX age: 55 online now!	it's typical republican I'm conservative, not a republican rants to complain about someone taking their money away.Get a better job or work 2 jobs like I do.Whether you agree or not these people are building your homes ,school,and cities.not mine, because i drive up and scream INS on sites they are working. man, if they have nothing to be scared of, why do they run so far and fast? Hey, I dont need to go shopping for new tools, I just drive up to a construction site where they are working, and yell INS, and man, you can gather up tools scattered all over the place. Safeguarding the stuff for them so they will not be stolen until they come claim the stuff.Your not hiring them and you have no right to tell anyone to hire or fire them. i have every right to tell my law enforcement to arrest criminals You want them locked up in the very same prisons that they helped build no, in fact, i want them to go home, peacefully.You see nothing wrong with this? They pick the fruit that feeds your children and you want their job.Give me a friggin break. the only break you need is a crack over your head to knock some sense into it. picking fruit? less than 3% of the 37.9 million wetback illegals here work in agriculture. if you are going to spout your crap, at least get something right, Once they are here legally they are not going to take these labor jobs.I could start name calling but whats the point?You are brainwashed my lou dobbs and fox news.The 7th and 8th most common name in america is now gonzales and garcia.This is what the news reported.Im sorry to inform you but the white race cares only about money and other races are populating your country.your majority will be gone soon.you wait and see. are you an anchor baby? if so, you and mom go back to the country you belong. and isn't that sad that our congress and president wants more tacos and tortillas? the majority of Americans just want these illegals gone, period. GONE. mexico and south america can now have the majority of the gonzales and gracias.. we dont want them illegally. legal? certainly. peace.. don't be hatin'

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