| 9/7/2009 3:26:06 PM |
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bigt85
Monroe, NC
age: 33
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It seems to me that almost every problem we face today as a nation can be traced back to the destruction of the american family.
A few examples:
1. Kids from single family homes are more likely to commit crime, do drugs, drop out of school,etc.
2. The bankrupting of our entitlement programs. Would we even need these programs if families stuck together and supported each other. Would local communities be closer if everyone shared the idea of family values?
3. If we were to recommit to these values would we need such an exspensive and expanding government?
I look forward to hearing your thoughts, and ideas.
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| 9/7/2009 3:36:11 PM |
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leftfooted
West Covina, CA
age: 51
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would that mean that a family that did not destruct and was successful per your interpetation never has contributed to such occurances
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| 9/7/2009 3:46:17 PM |
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bigt85
Monroe, NC
age: 33
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Thats not what I was implying. The facts are that in previous decades when the family unit was stronger we still had problems, women and blacks didn't have rights etc. Also coming from a "good" family wasn't a garuntee that you wouldn't raise the next Charles Manson!
But I do believe in todays society were there is lack of respect for ones self and others, that getting back to caring for your fellow man/woman starts at home from the teachings and examples of the parents.
[Edited 9/7/2009 4:02:28 PM PST]
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| 9/7/2009 3:53:15 PM |
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leftfooted
West Covina, CA
age: 51
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then would that mean that the credit would go to one parent in particular being of a particular race
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| 9/7/2009 3:55:57 PM |
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lisadees63
Belton, TX
age: 46
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Whoa there big. Ya almost had me with ya until you mantion women and blacks NOT having any rights. Sounds like you want a dictatorship. I agree that "family values" have been lost, to a large degree, but trying to oppress women and blacks is NOT likely to bring about harmony!
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| 9/7/2009 3:57:10 PM |
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bigt85
Monroe, NC
age: 33
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leftfooted, Your trying to make this something its not.
If you have an idea as to what society would be if this happened, than please continue.
If not than why are you here?
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| 9/7/2009 3:58:45 PM |
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leftfooted
West Covina, CA
age: 51
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leftfooted, Your trying to make this something its not.
If you have an idea as to what society would be if this happened, than please continue.
If not than why are you here?
The facts are that in previous decades when the family unit was stronger, women and blacks didn't have rights etc.
Sorry didnt read this right had my glasses on backwards.
Maybe you can clarify for me.
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| 9/7/2009 4:00:12 PM |
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bbw47reader
Frederick, MD
age: 47
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Sort of like saying, 'Adequate sleep is beneficial'.
Do you want to make laws or do you want to straighten people out on an individual basis?
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| 9/7/2009 4:01:18 PM |
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bigt85
Monroe, NC
age: 33
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Lisa, I was only responding to leftfoot, that in the past when the family was stonger we still didn't have a perfect country.
You completely mistook what I said.
We have come a long way in this country on equal rights. I don't think that is the biggest problem we face in 2009. I want to know how everyone feels about the destruction of the family in today's society and if the problems we face today are related.
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| 9/7/2009 4:03:50 PM |
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bigt85
Monroe, NC
age: 33
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lisa, I edited that statement to make myself more clear. Hope it helped.
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| 9/7/2009 4:13:23 PM |
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bbw47reader
Frederick, MD
age: 47
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I was asking a question. I'm not misunderstanding anything.
But I'll just save you time.
Yes, it's bad.
Yes, it's related.
Almost everyone will say so, but almost no one will agree on how it's related or what is to be done.
For the record, nothing can be done. You can't mandate morality. You can only punish immorality - and if I wanted that I'd petition to live in North Korea.
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| 9/7/2009 4:20:06 PM |
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bigt85
Monroe, NC
age: 33
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I don't know who you think said anything should be mandated? I did'nt.
I believe in individual responsibility and I don't believe I've conveyed anything to the contrary.
I apprieciate your thoughts though.
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| 9/7/2009 4:30:15 PM |
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bbw47reader
Frederick, MD
age: 47
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You didn't say it. I said it. Discussion is not one person making a statement, and then defending it against all comers. It's supposed to be a leading out of ideas and viewpoints. Much more than simple yea or nay. I get to use previously unintroduced words, as do others, to convey my own thoughts. It is not merely attempting to dismantle the original statement.
But since I already, and originally, and repeatedly, agreed with your original post, and that is all you wanted, that is all then.
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| 9/7/2009 4:38:48 PM |
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asleepatthewhee
Las Vegas, NV
age: 48
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 why are you saying that families are not as strong as before..i dont know what you think strong is..kids are getting into trouble more likely by who they hang out with... ..most families have two parents working to make ends meet but are still a family ...do you think this just started or maybe you watch to much tv.. not all marriages end in divorce...i grew up without a father but i dont blame him for the way i was raised or give him credit for it..ive raised my son pretty much by myself and dont see him as any different than any other person...its not that im perfect  its just that i dont let others determine how i want to live..the reason this country is screwed is because the govt. tries to please everyone no matter where your from...
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| 9/7/2009 4:40:50 PM |
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bigt85
Monroe, NC
age: 33
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bbw, I'm not looking for agreement and I did'nt read anything from you that sounded like you agreed with me.
I was just hoping for something constructive not something confrontational.
I was looking for a discussion not an argument.
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| 9/7/2009 4:47:48 PM |
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asleepatthewhee
Las Vegas, NV
age: 48
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im not trying to argue or anything like that ..maybe thats the way i talk and if you cant see what im saying then oh well....maybe your looking for something like our country is screwed since families are screwed up..is that better..every family thats screwing up this country ,,get the hell out till you can act like the perfect family,,
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| 9/7/2009 4:49:14 PM |
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bigt85
Monroe, NC
age: 33
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asleep, Most families today are not 2 families households. There single family households and the number is growing. More than half of marriages today end in divorce placing an enormous burden on the primary care giver.
We are placing the burden of alot of these single households on government programs and handouts.
Do you think that is a better alternative?
I don't believe the family is screwing up the country. I think the lack of family has lead to lack of responsibility and respect, and that has a big negative impact on our society in my opinion.
However I do respect yours.
[Edited 9/7/2009 4:51:20 PM PST]
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| 9/7/2009 4:51:16 PM |
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firstlight
Strasburg, VA
age: 49 online now!
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I'm not sure what you are looking for here.
I think it was agreed that the family is not as strong a unit as it once was in many families.
I think it was agreed that even though the family unit may have seemed stronger then, the down side was equal rights for women and minorities didn't exist like they do today.
I think that is was agreed that you can't force people to be moral and loving individuals.
I think we have agreed that there is really nothing we can do as individuals other than lead by example and try to raise children who will do the same.
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| 9/7/2009 5:04:11 PM |
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asleepatthewhee
Las Vegas, NV
age: 48
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asleep, Most families today are not 2 families households. There single family households and the number is growing. More than half of marriages today end in divorce placing an enormous burden on the primary care giver.
We are placing the burden of alot of these single households on government programs and handouts.
Do you think that is a better alternative?
I don't believe the family is screwing up the country. I think the lack of family has lead to lack of responsibility and respect, and that has a big negative impact on our society in my opinion.
However I do respect yours.
i dont recall saying that families are two family households..i said both parents work to make ends meet...i never asked the govt for anything except wheres my paycheck when i was in the military..but yes some do and how much does the govt do for others that are not citizens and are looking for a handout...i really dont think you know what your looking for as in a discussion to your post...maybe im not seeing it,, then again i dont see things as others might...
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| 9/7/2009 5:06:05 PM |
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leftfooted
West Covina, CA
age: 51
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Is it that the family is not as strong as before or is it that the family has more to contend with today compared to yesteryear.
Something similar too, as if someone was attempting to fight off one shark compared to trying to fight off ten sharks,the same amount of strength exists but they are not as effective.
Trying to compare the strength of the family as a unit today compared to yesteryear cannot be accomplished,just by the simple fact that todays society is not as it was back then,if it was then a comparision may be possible.
[Edited 9/7/2009 5:08:08 PM PST]
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| 9/7/2009 5:16:36 PM |
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asleepatthewhee
Las Vegas, NV
age: 48
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i dont think the problems we have today as a nation are because o single parent families .. i think its more of what those people that were voted for in washington that screws this country up...just what i think...
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| 9/7/2009 5:48:22 PM |
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spider77
Adamsville, AL
age: 58
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Latch key kids, 1 parent homes, nuclear familes, ( mine yours and ours ), no morals, dope running like water, abortion on demand, phony wars, etc. Great inheritance for the future???????????????????
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| 9/7/2009 11:04:10 PM |
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ava_adore
Concord, CA
age: 20
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Imo, some kids are going to end up screwed up even if they have the best family in the whole world. Also, some kids will grow up to be good and successful even if they came out of hardships and horrible situations. People have a self apart from what their parents instill in them.
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| 9/8/2009 3:28:01 AM |
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th6231
Point Pleasant Beach, NJ
age: 62
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The morality changes kind of snuck up on us when we weren't looking--things are changed for families--and they are changed for individuals. What is accepted today was not accepted in past years---we soften our stance on what examples our younger generation is faced with. Personal responsibility is lacking--accountability is lacking---pride, integrity and the guts to stand up for what is needed is lacking. What accounts for it?? Stressful lifestyles--the need for multiple jobs--the images and role models are all different. The word NO doesn't exist. Instant everything--too much credit and to much desire to have stuff.... screwed up priorities. These things span all the peoples from all walks of life. A couple should not start a family until they are financially ready--emotionally ready--and absolutely mature enough for the entire experience. And no one is forced to stay and make it work--one party gets bored and they can simply walk away--completely free and THAT is not a good way to live.
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| 9/8/2009 5:29:17 PM |
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bigt85
Monroe, NC
age: 33
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th6231, I agree, and that is a good way to expand on what I was saying. We don't all agree but I knew this thread would come around eventually and show some real insight.
Thanks.
To add I remember talking with my grandmother once after my wife asked for a divorce. She told that if she would have left everytime things got hard, she could have left many times. SHe told me that eventually you realize that your on the same side and that life wouldn't have been easier if she left, it would just be a different set of problems.
I agree with that, and I think my generation for the most part just moves on to the next thing when the going gets tough. I think are kids see those examples themselves and I don't believe those are good lessons to teach.
Too many kids today don't graduate,get over their heads with relationships at an early age and by the time they finally mature and realize it, they've already made a mess of their lives.
Those are things I hope to see change.
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| 9/8/2009 6:01:15 PM |
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tallestdiva
Flint, MI
age: 34
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This is a very good thread. I would like to add my two cents.
There is nothing new under the sun; there has been single mothers and teenage pregnancies since the begining of time. Society just seems to get more forgiving and more selfish as time goes on. Forgiving as to what we over look examples music & television. Selfish because all we seem to care about is what affects me and mine. Some of us can vouche for the times when neighbors looked out for each other, carpooled, babysitted, and even fed each other. Most of us don't even know our neighbors.
We talk about the bad side of town and the mass shootings but it never really matters until it his home. 911 was one of those few times. There were single mothers created by WWI and Vietnam. Television exploiting gay and lesbian relationships openly. Dolls scantily clad with heavy makeup.....WTF! We need to take responsibility for what we allow into our homes, minds, and hearts. So where do we start? th
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