Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?

3/1/2010 1:31:14 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
latestflame Germantown, TN age: 33	linky A woman in another country who has cancer is being refused treatment due to being pregnant. They allow abortions never no matter what. I'm pro-life, but I've always said if the mother is in danger then it gives more to think about. HOWEVER, notice it says the cancer has spread to her brain and a lot of other areas. I think they're exaggerating by acting like she would definitely have her life saved if it's spread all over like that! Seems to me both would die. If men could get pregnant I'm sure everyone would say it's horrible and selfish to choose his own life over the baby anyway. Meet singles in your area here at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free for everything! Join now!
3/1/2010 7:51:58 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	This is a tough issue. First of all chemical cancer treatments are extremely toxic, so the baby would probably be born deformed or dead. So knowing this I would say let her abort and give her the cancer treatments, if she wants them. But the flip side, is if the cancer has spread that much, she is probably dead already regardless. So it is a tough call...but ultimately HER call to make...not the govt or doctor or anyone else to make.
3/1/2010 7:56:19 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
twohawks Bothell, WA age: 70	I agree with Horse on this. It's HER call! No one elses.
3/1/2010 8:21:26 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
winxi Saint Louis, MO age: 50	"The case concerns a 27-year-old woman known as Amalia (not her real name) who has cancer that is suspected to have spread to her brain, lungs and breasts. But Nicaraguan authorities have withheld life-saving treatment from her because it could harm the fetus and violate the country's total ban on abortion. The decision has ignited furious protests from relatives and campaigners who say that Amalia -- who has a 10-year-old daughter and is 10 weeks pregnant -- will die unless treated." That's sad.
3/1/2010 8:22:32 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
winxi Saint Louis, MO age: 50	Quote from latestflame: linky A woman in another country who has cancer is being refused treatment due to being pregnant. They allow abortions never no matter what. I'm pro-life, but I've always said if the mother is in danger then it gives more to think about. HOWEVER, notice it says the cancer has spread to her brain and a lot of other areas. I think they're exaggerating by acting like she would definitely have her life saved if it's spread all over like that! Seems to me both would die. If men could get pregnant I'm sure everyone would say it's horrible and selfish to choose his own life over the baby anyway. You mean they DO NOT allow abortions. "Nicaragua has one of the most draconian abortion laws in the world. It is one of the few countries to prohibit abortion under any circumstances. Girls and women who seek an abortion -- as well as health professionals who provide health services associated with abortion -- face jail. Needless to say, these restrictions have taken their toll. According to official figures, 33 girls and women died in pregnancy in 2009; the year before, 20 died. Amnesty International believes these figures are only a minimum, as the government itself has acknowledged that the number of maternal deaths is under-recorded. Oh, and it gets worse. According to a survey of media reports between 2005 and 2007, 1,247 girls were reported in newspapers to have been raped or to been the victims of incest in Nicaragua. Of these crimes, 198 were reported to have resulted in pregnancy. The overwhelming majority of the girls made pregnant as a result (172 of them) were between 10 and 14 years old." [Edited 3/1/2010 8:24:22 AM PST]
3/1/2010 2:12:36 PM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
latestflame Germantown, TN age: 33	I said they allow them never. I just worded it oddly. I don't know what I exactly feel in thissituation, but in normal circumstances I believe it's BS for women to be allowed to make a decision on murdering. In this case maybe it should be her decision, but like I said if a man ever chooses HIS life over someone else's he's said to be a horrible, selfish person.
3/1/2010 10:50:02 PM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
twohawks Bothell, WA age: 70	Quote from latestflame: I said they allow them never. I just worded it oddly. I don't know what I exactly feel in thissituation, but in normal circumstances I believe it's BS for women to be allowed to make a decision on murdering. In this case maybe it should be her decision, but like I said if a man ever chooses HIS life over someone else's he's said to be a horrible, selfish person. If a woman chooses to abort a child...that is between her conscience and her God and it's no one else's business.
3/2/2010 1:52:15 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
latestflame Germantown, TN age: 33	Quote from twohawks: If a woman chooses to abort a child...that is between her conscience and her God and it's no one else's business. Then as others say... she should be able to kill her child after it's born and an adult and any other time if she supposedly owns it.
3/2/2010 4:21:42 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
hardtwist Crawford, NE age: 41	Quote from winxi: You mean they DO NOT allow abortions. "Nicaragua has one of the most draconian abortion laws in the world. It is one of the few countries to prohibit abortion under any circumstances. Girls and women who seek an abortion -- as well as health professionals who provide health services associated with abortion -- face jail. Needless to say, these restrictions have taken their toll. According to official figures, 33 girls and women died in pregnancy in 2009; the year before, 20 died. Amnesty International believes these figures are only a minimum, as the government itself has acknowledged that the number of maternal deaths is under-recorded. Oh, and it gets worse. According to a survey of media reports between 2005 and 2007, 1,247 girls were reported in newspapers to have been raped or to been the victims of incest in Nicaragua. Of these crimes, 198 were reported to have resulted in pregnancy. The overwhelming majority of the girls made pregnant as a result (172 of them) were between 10 and 14 years old." I believe in limited abortion. Rape, incest and rare cases where the mothers life's in danger. Abortion for birth control is wrong. Amnesty International isn't any better than our corrupt idiotic biased media. I give them a zero credibility rating.
3/2/2010 4:31:15 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
scafmars Warrington, PA age: 45	Quote from twohawks: If a woman chooses to abort a child...that is between her conscience and her God and it's no one else's business. How come with the Politcally Correct Death Squad the father's never included in the "business"?
3/2/2010 5:09:05 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
iwuzjustsayin Tucson, AZ age: 40	Quote from latestflame: linky A woman in another country who has cancer is being refused treatment due to being pregnant. They allow abortions never no matter what. I'm pro-life, but I've always said if the mother is in danger then it gives more to think about. HOWEVER, notice it says the cancer has spread to her brain and a lot of other areas. I think they're exaggerating by acting like she would definitely have her life saved if it's spread all over like that! Seems to me both would die. If men could get pregnant I'm sure everyone would say it's horrible and selfish to choose his own life over the baby anyway. That was idiotic! I know there are those that think the fetus should trump all. They NEVER seem to think about the ramifications of the death of the mother, because they don't give a damn. To them, this WOMAN is nothing more than an incubator, and mostly for their agenda, as they have proven they don't really care about the quality of life for the child. IF men could get pregnant, abortions would be as easy to get as vitamins. Face it, more often the man runs from his responsibility, which is why more women are running single parent households.
3/2/2010 6:25:29 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
scafmars Warrington, PA age: 45	Quote from iwuzjustsayin: That was idiotic! I know there are those that think the fetus should trump all. They NEVER seem to think about the ramifications of the death of the mother, because they don't give a damn. To them, this WOMAN is nothing more than an incubator, and mostly for their agenda, as they have proven they don't really care about the quality of life for the child. IF men could get pregnant, abortions would be as easy to get as vitamins. Face it, more often the man runs from his responsibility, which is why more women are running single parent households. You know, there are plenty of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing...
3/2/2010 6:35:49 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
iwuzjustsayin Tucson, AZ age: 40	Best you got to counter reality? LOL And they call obama lame ? LOL
3/2/2010 6:42:56 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
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3/2/2010 6:45:08 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
scafmars Warrington, PA age: 45	Quote from iwuzjustsayin: Best you got to counter reality? LOL And they call obama lame ? LOL That's your reality, Smile, not the rest of us on the sane side of the room.
3/2/2010 7:57:53 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
twohawks Bothell, WA age: 70	Quote from scafmars: How come with the Politcally Correct Death Squad the father's never included in the "business"? In a male dominated country...what do you expect? Fairness for women?
3/2/2010 8:08:51 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	good comment Two....they would rather both die from the cancer, than to save one.
3/2/2010 8:29:41 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
twohawks Bothell, WA age: 70	In some male dominated countries...especially the Latino ones, if a wife cheats on her husband, he has the right to shoot her and nothing will be said about it. He will not be charged with murder. Interestingly enough...if he cheats on her...nothing will be done about it. She is powerless to do anything. If she shoots him....she is charged with murder. [Edited 3/2/2010 8:49:29 AM PST]
3/2/2010 10:59:07 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
horserider4ever Leadville, CO age: 47	Two...I agree and yeah that is just wrong. We are ALL humans....red, black, white, yellow, brown or purple. That is what is wrong with this world.... we are not all equal. and so the story goes on...... And it is just wrong...as bottom line we are all HUMANS! [Edited 3/2/2010 11:00:33 AM PST]
3/2/2010 11:14:58 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
scafmars Warrington, PA age: 45	Quote from twohawks: In a male dominated country...what do you expect? Fairness for women? Are you serious with that response? There are more women in this country than men. That's why they changed the phrase to "minorities and women", because they couldn't include women into the term "minorities" anymore. And you completely missed the point as usual. The Politically Correct Death Squad, when speaking of abortion, always talks about everyone involved except the father. The father, according to the Death Squad, has zero rights. You said that is it between the woman's conscience and her God and that it was no one else's business. That's a bunch of horseshit and you should know it, because the same woman will most certainly make it the father's business if she decides to keep the child; at least his wallet if nothing else. The whole subject is pure bullshit and it's about time the Death Squad starts dealing in truth. You can't say that the father has zero rights if the woman wants to kill the child and then hold him responsible if she wants to keep the child. There is a huge disconnect there that needs to be fixed. And before you all start going off on your holier than thou Progressive tirades, I don't give a shit if a woman wants to kill her baby. I'm interested in the equal distribution of rights in the scenarios. Obviously the Death Squad is not.
3/2/2010 11:19:36 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
winxi Saint Louis, MO age: 50	Quote from latestflame: I said they allow them never. I just worded it oddly. I don't know what I exactly feel in thissituation, but in normal circumstances I believe it's BS for women to be allowed to make a decision on murdering. In this case maybe it should be her decision, but like I said if a man ever chooses HIS life over someone else's he's said to be a horrible, selfish person. How do you know that this would happen to a man if it's never been done before? Just sayin.
3/2/2010 11:24:35 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
twohawks Bothell, WA age: 70	Quote from scafmars: Are you serious with that response? There are more women in this country than men. That's why they changed the phrase to "minorities and women", because they couldn't include women into the term "minorities" anymore. And you completely missed the point as usual. The Politically Correct Death Squad, when speaking of abortion, always talks about everyone involved except the father. The father, according to the Death Squad, has zero rights. You said that is it between the woman's conscience and her God and that it was no one else's business. That's a bunch of horseshit and you should know it, because the same woman will most certainly make it the father's business if she decides to keep the child; at least his wallet if nothing else. The whole subject is pure bullshit and it's about time the Death Squad starts dealing in truth. You can't say that the father has zero rights if the woman wants to kill the child and then hold him responsible if she wants to keep the child. There is a huge disconnect there that needs to be fixed. And before you all start going off on your holier than thou Progressive tirades, I don't give a shit if a woman wants to kill her baby. I'm interested in the equal distribution of rights in the scenarios. Obviously the Death Squad is not. Excuse me! The subject here is NOT in the United States. I believe the country stated was Nicaragua...a very male dominated, Latino country.
3/2/2010 7:07:05 PM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
latestflame Germantown, TN age: 33	Quote from winxi: How do you know that this would happen to a man if it's never been done before? Just sayin. Because if there's a fire and some random man hears screaming in the house you think anyone's going to say anything OTHER than he was selfish if he doesn't risk his life to go save the person? That's how I know it's different for men. And the whole women and children before men thinking. If someone wants to do for others ahead of himself that is commendable, but to look down on men if they choose their own life and then say it's all great for a woman to choose ehr own over her future kid's... there just shouldn't be those double standards. To whoever said someone would rather them both die of cancer, well both will probably die from the therapy for it! I don't want anyone to die. I think death sucks.
3/3/2010 5:36:02 PM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
hardtwist Crawford, NE age: 41	Quote from iwuzjustsayin: Face it, more often the man runs from his responsibility, which is why more women are running single parent households. If you actually believe this asinine statement, I want to know......are you ignorant or just that stupid?
3/4/2010 5:44:11 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
iwuzjustsayin Tucson, AZ age: 40	Quote from scafmars: That's your reality, Smile, not the rest of us on the sane side of the room. You really are sick. I hope you warn any woman, before you touch her, that she will never be more than an incubator to you. Why in the hell I would smile about that...yeah, you really are demented. " That's why they changed the phrase to "minorities and women", because they couldn't include women into the term "minorities" anymore. Wow, you really are an idiot, and apparently, making shit up as you go LOL It is phrased that way because there are women in every minority group. Guess what? Minority women get double "points". And, with the man's role, did it ever occur to you, that IF there weren't so many deadbeat fathers, more mothers would feel the could bring these kids to term? Did it ever occur to you that any man who didn't want to become a father could be celebate? What do you think of these two factors? Oh, and FYI, the numbers of women who get pregnant, and then NEVER TELL THE LOSER FATHER BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITHOUT THEM is growing. So, there are a LOT of men who have kids out there and don't even know it, much less pay their share to raise this kid. I know two of these women. twohawks: "In a male dominated country...what do you expect? Fairness for women?" Hit the nail on the head. If it was scafmars that was pregnant, he would RUN to the abortion clinic JUST to avoid the morning sickness. If the shoe was ever on the other foot, the day after pill would be free and available at 7-11. "In some male dominated countries...especially the Latino ones, if a wife cheats on her husband, he has the right to shoot her and nothing will be said about it. He will not be charged with murder. Interestingly enough...if he cheats on her...nothing will be done about it. She is powerless to do anything. If she shoots him....she is charged with murder." And we are supposed to see that culture as such a wonderful thing we should embrace it, along with those scum sucking illegals. Yeah, right latestflame, sorry, but in every case of a life or death situation I have personally witnessed, it was a woman, not a man who stepped up. Not saying I haven't heard of them doing so, but I haven't ever SEEN it. It has been my experience that society is getting used to men not being as masculine as they used to be. Probably due to the gay movement. hardtwist, exactly what part of that post do you disagree with? Got anything to back your opinion (besides empty threats, insults, and more opinions)? Post a link.
3/4/2010 8:01:57 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
wonderwhy Omaha, NE age: 26	There are plenty of men out there who do not shirk responsibility. More women are single parents by choice.
3/4/2010 9:50:11 PM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
lostinwyoming Evanston, WY age: 52	In my opinion if the cancer is in her brain and chest there's not much hope left for her Evan with treatment.Id have to say save the kid.hard call to make.
3/4/2010 10:57:56 PM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
winxi Saint Louis, MO age: 50	Quote from lostinwyoming: In my opinion if the cancer is in her brain and chest there's not much hope left for her Evan with treatment.Id have to say save the kid.hard call to make. One of my friends lost their father from brain cancer caused by melanoma. Another one of my friend's dad died of a brain cancer tumor. It's like a death sentence but I can't imagine not even trying to cure it. The woman has another child too. It's a sad situation.
3/4/2010 10:58:47 PM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
winxi Saint Louis, MO age: 50	Quote from wonderwhy: There are plenty of men out there who do not shirk responsibility. More women are single parents by choice. That's not how it is with the people that I know.
3/5/2010 5:20:06 AM	Cancer Treatment Not Allowed?
latestflame Germantown, TN age: 33	Quote from iwuzjustsayin: I hope you warn any woman, before you touch her, that she will never be more than an incubator to you. Actually women who would consider abortion are the ones who need to "warn" the men. Having sex is risking pregnancy and some women don't like taking responsibility for what they do so they have abortions. There's nothing for the man to ened tow arn a woman about. I wouldn't date someone who would have abortions no matter what. Guys should start drawing up legal papers for women to sign stating they won't have an abortion if they get pregnant ith that guy and there be a law that it's a criminal act to go against it. Because not much of anything sicker and crueler than a woman leading a guy to believe she wouldn't do it and then think she can change her mind and do it as if he's not involved. The men have no rights in any of it and whose body it's in shouldn't matter.

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