How Will They?

1/3/2013 5:03:53 PM	How Will They?
shawnee_b Edmonton, KY 60, joined Apr. 2010	http://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=327 How Will They Confiscate Your Guns? by John A. Sutter in California For decades I have heard gun owners claim that the government would never be able to confiscate our firearms because the government would lose too many men. The implication being, of course, that gun owners would actively resist confiscation, even to the point of shooting back. But I believe this thinking is outdated and doesn’t align very well with reality. But before you tell me how big your honor guard in Hell will be when that day comes, let’s think about how the government could really do it. Suppose, for the sake of argument, the government bans all civilian possession of firearms at the end of this month. Congress passes a total ban and the President cuts his own re-election throat by signing it. Gun owners get some grace period to turn them in, even beyond the deadline, without being charged with a crime. If we use Australia and Britain as examples there will still be a significant number of firearms that are not turned in. Some estimates put the Australian turn-in at less than 25% and the British faired only about 28%. But Australians and the British have long been used to obeying almost every gun control law. Not so the Americans. When laws are passed that we don’t like, we bite. We scratch. We vote. So here we sit after the guns have been collected and the amnesties have run out. Now what? Send out the personnel carriers, swat and shock troops to seize the guns from those militia “terrorists” who refused to turn them in? Don’t be silly. The government has lots of records about you. If you purchased a firearm since 1968, chances are that they have some record of it somewhere. Most likely, it will take quite some time for them to compile all the serial numbers of “surrendered” guns (surrendered essentially at gunpoint) and cross off the ones you turned in. It’ll take more time for them to attempt to “clean up” their data. Say, about two years, maybe three. Add to that the hordes of people keypunching in hundreds of thousands of sales and registration records from hundreds of gun stores forced out of business. At some point the government decides they have something approaching a “good” database of unaccounted-for guns. The next thing you’ll get from the government is an official looking notice that they think you still have a firearm. Their information will probably include all the information from registration forms, right down to the serial number. That notice will tell you that you’re in violation of the law, subject to prosecution and imprisonment. It will give you some period of time to surrender the gun. It will also give you a very limited number of days to return the form with an explanation of why you don’t have the gun, any proof you have, and your signature that the gun was lawfully disposed of. For many people the idea that the government “knows” they didn’t turn in that pistol or rifle and they have the detailed information about it will be enough to get them to surrender the gun. Some people will ignore the letter, others will scrawl a note that “I sold this in 1982 in a private sale”. After some time, the government will figure out how many guns are still out there and what the “compliance rate” is with the gun ban. More importantly, they’ll start sorting their database by the number of guns someone supposedly has “unaccounted”. If you think they’ll come at these multiple-gun owners with a swat team, guess again. Their most likely tactic will be yet another letter (maybe two more) that generate what they’ll call “insufficient responses”. That means they can’t track a gun after you owned it. This they’ll use as fodder for a search warrant and/or perjury charges at a later date if they can. My guess is that the time between April and August will be a bad time for a lot of “former” gun owners. Remember that the BATF is an arm of the Treasury department and they control the IRS. You’ll probably get a notice in the mail that the IRS has some questions about your taxes or wants to audit you. When you make the appointment to visit the IRS they will pass that information to the BATF. While you are sweating over your deductions, the BATF and local police will execute a search warrant and search your home looking for guns. With you safely off site and distracted, essentially forced into “the royal presence” of the IRS they will snag your guns. Expect them to use slow-scan and ground penetrating radar to search walls, yards, under the patio or deck, the basement, etc. You might even find your hot tub has been drained and moved. Yes, they’ll search your car in the IRS parking lot too. (to be continued) [Edited 1/3/2013 5:04:46 PM ] Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
1/3/2013 5:04:17 PM	How Will They?
shawnee_b Edmonton, KY 60, joined Apr. 2010	If you are one of the those people they suspect of having multiple guns and they don’t find any guns at your home, expect them to find and search storage facilities, safety deposit boxes and other places you might use. Warn your relatives who live nearby that they can expect a visit too, even (or perhaps especially) if they never owned a gun. If they are thorough, I’d expect the government agents to check your neighbors to see which of them previously owned a gun and perhaps search their homes, arguing that your neighbor could have held your guns while agents searched your home. Remember that at this point the government authorities don’t have much to fear from the general population. And by the time your complaints are run through the mill, rejected and turned into lawsuits, they’ll have changed the rules. But you only have one gun you say? Fine. They won’t come looking for it. But they will make sure that possession of ammunition is also a serious crime. Don’t leave any loose cartridges around and where will you hide that case of ammo you rushed out to buy? Expect any “gun parts” to be made illegal at some point in time too. Spare magazines, maybe even old cleaning kits. Anything that says “gun” will be interpreted as “probable cause” to search your entire home. Also expect that you can never use that gun without becoming a serious felon in the eyes of the government. Even if some thug has repeatedly stabbed you with a large knife and threatened to rape your six year old daughter, they won’t forgive you for having the gun. They may even give you extra penalties for using it to save your family. Especially if you are one of the first few hundred people caught this way, they will use you to “set an example”. This will cause people to “bury” their guns away in hiding places, making them all but useless. If the government does come to confiscate it, you won’t be able to get to it fast enough and they will probably find it. You’ve moved several times since you bought a gun? Remember showing your ID when you bought a gun? Remember writing down your place of birth? Why do you think the government has so many computers? Linking you to your new driver’s license in another state shouldn’t be too hard. Besides, the Treasury folks know where you work. Think you’re safe because you had unregistered guns? Think again. I would expect that the government’s database will contain a lot of old data. Some of it might indicate that a gun was sold to a resident at your address. If they can tie you to ammo sales or range use with your credit card in the previous 2 years you might get a surprise visit. Or that seller might have remembered you bought that gun from him and filled out his gun notice to get “off the hook” for that gun. The point of this article is that by thinking in limited terms of a “raid” to confiscate guns we lose sight of the alternative methods the government can use. Put yourself in the government’s position and think of your own methods to avoid a conflict. Meanwhile, let’s ensure that every gun owner votes for gun rights this year and the next. You can think of a thousand excuses not to vote, not to help a campaign, not to help another gun owner register to vote. I can think of one important reason to do all of those. Liberty! [Edited 1/3/2013 5:05:10 PM ]
1/3/2013 5:14:33 PM	How Will They?
tileman1814 Kalispell, MT 64, joined Nov. 2007	If the gov tries to take our guns in any way the news will spread accross this land like wildfire and the people will go after the ones calling the shots.There is just to many of us,we outnumber the US Military 100-1 and most of them would turn on the government.Taking our guns is a no win deal for anybody. Semper Fi !!!
1/3/2013 5:19:11 PM	How Will They?
shawnee_b Edmonton, KY 60, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from tileman1814: If the gov tries to take our guns in any way the news will spread accross this land like wildfire and the people will go after the ones calling the shots.There is just to many of us,we outnumber the US Military 100-1 and most of them would turn on the government.Taking our guns is a no win deal for anybody. Semper Fi !!! "one twig can be broken, a bundle of twigs is strong" Chief Tecumseh
1/3/2013 5:48:16 PM	How Will They?
rcrmike Souderton, PA 56, joined Apr. 2009	You are correct that they will use the multiple databases to figure out who's got what. The government has new supercomputers coming online in a few months. They are not military wargames computers, but to crossreference our private information. The IRS has had a huge hiring spree along with other alphabet agencies. They're not stupid, they don't want a firefight. They are going to have most of the sheeple volunteering to hand them in. It's already started last week. The remaining ones will need reasons that they need to make searches and questioning possible. We will see new modern creative examples of "... may we see your papers?" Come to think of it, we don't need to show them anything, they'll show us! They know more about us than we do, and they can easily document it. Where were you at 10:37 am last Tuesday? Can you prove it? I bet they can.
1/4/2013 8:02:54 AM	How Will They?
shawnee_b Edmonton, KY 60, joined Apr. 2010	I don't know why they are even bothering with another ban. Maybe just to shut up fienswine and give her something to do.
1/4/2013 8:28:34 AM	How Will They?
stargazzer Creighton, NE 66, joined Feb. 2007	They will always be faced with millions of guns never turned in, no matter their records And sheriff's that woun't let them in their county or even into states & may be faceing the gard as well. Yes it will depend on how they go about it but resistance will be very strong no matter and yes a civil war.
1/4/2013 8:55:29 AM	How Will They?
bigchips Winter Park, FL 31, joined Apr. 2009	To figure, a Jew trying to take our guns... Obamacare is a Trojan horse that will declare guns owners mentally incompetent and legally take their guns. Seeing as though due process is now non existing in cases involving guns and drugs/mental disability it should be easy for them.
1/4/2013 10:07:47 AM	How Will They?
sureshot40 Drumright, OK 46, joined Apr. 2011 online now!	Ruby Ridge.
1/4/2013 1:18:15 PM	How Will They?
twoletters Overgaard, AZ 68, joined Oct. 2007 online now!	Shawnee, you've painted a very scary and bleak picture of what could be on the horizon for Americans in our very near future. Should all that come to pass, will that be the beginning of civil war? If so, Who will organize ? Who will lead ? Who will follow ? Who will be forced into submission ? On what fronts will this war be fought?
1/4/2013 2:36:54 PM	How Will They?
onemoretime2c Boca Grande, FL 61, joined Apr. 2012	Hate to say it but the FEDS have been working the ploy that Shawnee talked about for the last 20 years........ I don't see a door to door but it will start with registration then banning more and more guns. Then finally a outright ban ,after that there will be professional informants who will get a price for anyone/everyone they can rat on.......and people say crime doesn't pay.
1/4/2013 2:46:13 PM	How Will They?
stargazzer Creighton, NE 66, joined Feb. 2007	They got rid of are dumps so their now is no more shooting rats, but I remeber how!!
1/4/2013 3:51:00 PM	How Will They?
shawnee_b Edmonton, KY 60, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from twoletters: Shawnee, you've painted a very scary and bleak picture of what could be on the horizon for Americans in our very near future. Should all that come to pass, will that be the beginning of civil war? If so, Who will organize ? Who will lead ? Who will follow ? Who will be forced into submission ? On what fronts will this war be fought? People are going to lay down and take it.
1/4/2013 4:12:58 PM	How Will They?
tileman1814 Kalispell, MT 64, joined Nov. 2007	Quote from shawnee_b: People are going to lay down and take it. Maby on your block they will lay down but in no way will they around my blockAs a matter of fact I know at least 50 that are ready to go to war with the gov right now.Almost all of these are former military and they know what it means to be in the shit. Semper Fi !!!
1/4/2013 6:12:44 PM	How Will They?
shawnee_b Edmonton, KY 60, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from tileman1814: Maby on your block they will lay down but in no way will they around my blockAs a matter of fact I know at least 50 that are ready to go to war with the gov right now.Almost all of these are former military and they know what it means to be in the shit. Semper Fi !!! I live on the same block I guess, lots of big talkers. I don't waste my time on fight "talk", how tough and ready I am to take on the govt. I volunteered and joined during Vietnam, I don't shirk my duty, ever, but you won't hear me blowing hot air, ever. I know who and where the vets are around here. I've been a gunsmith, dealer, manufacturer all my life. I built my first gun over 40 years ago, I'm still licensed. This gun control crap hits me hard, many ways. Like Two says, who will organize, lead, follow? Everyone going to wake up one morning, kiss the wife, kids, dog goodbye, join the "people on the block organized army" waiting on the street (called the PBOA I guess) and fight? Who they gonna start with? Not enough treasonous crap needs eliminating yet? What are the 50 "ready to fight the govt right now" doing at home? Talking how tough and ready they are? Where were all these fighting spirit people when the 1934 National Firearms act banned entire classes of weapons the constitution garunteed we could own without registration, transferable list and $200 tax stamps. That was a gun confiscation and the worse blow to the 2nd ever came along. Then close the registrar in 1986 so there are only about 100K $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ machine guns ever available for transfer. "11th hour act" Where were they when the 1968 Gun Control act dropped in. The Canadians fight registration? Did GB and Aussies do anything about confiscation? Jews fight in WW2 besides the Warsaw ghetto? Any Bloc countries fight and if a few did, did they win anything but a bullet behind the ear? Where were they with the 94 AWB? "It can't happen" It did, while they played call to duty on the game console and talked up a storm like the armchair quarterbacks. What are they waiting for? More talk then back pedal and redraw their "do not cross line" in the sand for the umpteenth time?
1/4/2013 7:12:27 PM	How Will They?
stargazzer Creighton, NE 66, joined Feb. 2007	shawnee_b I belive your what Obama is counting on May seem to look that way but no it will not be that way not even close.
1/5/2013 8:25:05 AM	How Will They?
shawnee_b Edmonton, KY 60, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from stargazzer: shawnee_b I belive your what Obama is counting on May seem to look that way but no it will not be that way not even close. Believe what you wish. But none of you know me or what I am really about. I wrote an opinion that people will lay down, based on decades of watching them spew how they will fight but they never do.
1/5/2013 8:38:29 AM	How Will They?
stargazzer Creighton, NE 66, joined Feb. 2007	At least 1/2 of America has never layed down yet!!
1/5/2013 11:17:48 AM	How Will They?
tileman1814 Kalispell, MT 64, joined Nov. 2007	Quote from shawnee_b: Believe what you wish. But none of you know me or what I am really about. I wrote an opinion that people will lay down, based on decades of watching them spew how they will fight but they never do. I can promise you that when it comes to our second amendment rights the gun owners in this country will not just lay down and take it.There is a freaking blood bath comming and unless the government backs off it won't be all that far off.There is around 49% gun ownership in the U.S.and an est of close to 300 million guns,thats nearly 1 gun for every man woman and child in this country.I think there will be people folding to the pressures from the Gov but I also think when they start in there will be a large part that will defect to the side of the gun owners. Semper Fi !!!
1/5/2013 12:43:02 PM	How Will They?
onemoretime2c Boca Grande, FL 61, joined Apr. 2012	Quote from tileman1814: I can promise you that when it comes to our second amendment rights the gun owners in this country will not just lay down and take it.There is a freaking blood bath comming and unless the government backs off it won't be all that far off.There is around 49% gun ownership in the U.S.and an est of close to 300 million guns,thats nearly 1 gun for every man woman and child in this country.I think there will be people folding to the pressures from the Gov but I also think when they start in there will be a large part that will defect to the side of the gun owners. Semper Fi !!! I know a few people that own a small cities worth...
1/5/2013 3:59:37 PM	How Will They?
shawnee_b Edmonton, KY 60, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from tileman1814: I can promise you that when it comes to our second amendment rights the gun owners in this country will not just lay down and take it.There is a freaking blood bath comming and unless the government backs off it won't be all that far off.There is around 49% gun ownership in the U.S.and an est of close to 300 million guns,thats nearly 1 gun for every man woman and child in this country.I think there will be people folding to the pressures from the Gov but I also think when they start in there will be a large part that will defect to the side of the gun owners. Semper Fi !!! Well Tileman. I sure hope your right and this time the people will stand up. I have never seen it, only hear the talk. I'm so sick of the jaw jacking and no action while this country has turned socialist from the liberal poison within. And don't get me wrong when I say you won't hear me "talk" fight, I'm not a talker is all. They get no warnings from me, I just strike with all I got. The people have been pushed until 90% of our freedoms and liberty's have been taken away and NO ONE has ever done a single thing but talk how ready they are to take on the govt and take the country back. The forefathers didn't talk, they shot. I still have the same questions Twoletters had though. Who's going to organize, lead, follow? Possibly County Sheriffs could be a start. If something happens Star, Half haven't lain down? Why, because half are gun owners with loud mouths and no action? They have lain down with every un-constitutional law that has been forced on us. All gun control since 1934, IRS, I could go on. Bush pulled some of the worst un-constitutional acts of any president, invasions of privacy, detention without a charge or trial, did away with posse comitus, Patriot act, DHS. No one did anything, not even a shout from the roof top. Just grumble from the prone position about treason.
1/6/2013 4:53:43 PM	How Will They?
hodag Nome, AK 62, joined Nov. 2007	The irony I see is that we are all right. We are like a caged animal. Taxes get raised, and we take it. Christians (and everyone else) are forced to pay for abortions, and we take it. Illegals are allowed into our country, and we take it. Homosexuals are allowed to "marry", and we take it. Obama care gets shoved down our throats, and we take it. This time though, they are coming after something tangible. They are coming after something that has been in our families for generations. They are coming after our last line of defense against a tyrannical government. They are coming after our last line of defense against common criminals; robbers, rapists, car jackers. We instinctively and collectively know that if we are stripped of our precious firearms, the tyranny will explode. This is a fight we absolutely cannot afford to loose. The worlds next Hitler, the worlds next Stalin, the worlds next Pol Pot is a tyrant in waiting, and his name is barack hussien obama. If we loose our guns, we all may just as well pack our bags and go to North Korea, and most of us know it. Millions of Americans fought and died for our freedoms fighting foreign enemies. The only difference this time is the enemy has invaded the White House. Mat God Bless and Protect all of us, the true, Constitutional Americans. Hodag
1/6/2013 5:47:39 PM	How Will They?
cowgirl316 Coshocton, OH 57, joined Oct. 2012	...I've been waiting for more than a few years now, to see what the proverbial 'straw that broke the camel's back' would be. And I'm still waiting. While I hold the patriots/vets in this video in the highest of esteem, I pray that we never see this event replay itself..... Quote from eastfoot:
1/6/2013 6:41:10 PM	How Will They?
tileman1814 Kalispell, MT 64, joined Nov. 2007	There is a wrong and right way to do things,Hoover was wrong!!FDR is not very high on my favriots list but what he did here was the right thing to do. Semper Fi !!! MGM released the movie Gabriel Over the White House in March 1933. Produced by William Randolph Hearst's Cosmopolitan Pictures, it depicted a fictitious President Hammond who, in the film's opening scenes, refuses to deploy the military against a march of the unemployed and instead creates an "Army of Construction" to work on public works projects until the economy recovers.First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt judged the movie's treatment of veterans superior to Hoover's. The Bonus Army incident proved disastrous for Hoover's chances at re-election; he lost the 1932 election in a landslide to Franklin D. Roosevelt. During the presidential campaign of 1932, Franklin D. Roosevelt opposed the veterans' bonus demands.When they organized a second demonstration in May 1933, he provided the marchers with a campsite in Virginia and provided them three meals a day. Administration officials, led by presidential confidant Louis Howe, tried to negotiate an end to the protest. Roosevelt arranged for his wife Eleanor to visit the site unaccompanied. She lunched with the veterans and listened to them perform songs. She reminisced about her memories of seeing troops off to World War I and welcoming them home. The most she could offer was a promise of positions in the newly created Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC). One veteran commented: "Hoover sent the army, Roosevelt sent his wife". In a press conference following her visit, the First Lady described her reception as courteous and praised the marchers, highlighting how comfortable she felt despite critics of the marchers who described them as Communists and criminals. Roosevelt later issued an executive order allowing the enrollment of 25,000 veterans in the CCC, exempting them from the normal requirement that applicants be unmarried and under the age of 25.Congress, where Democrats held majorities in both houses, passed the Adjusted Compensation Payment Act in 1936 authorizing the immediate payment of the $2 billion in WWI bonuses over the President's veto.The House vote was 324 to 61,and the Senate vote was 76 to 19. [Edited 1/6/2013 6:42:55 PM ]
1/6/2013 8:42:20 PM	How Will They?
cowgirl316 Coshocton, OH 57, joined Oct. 2012	While I totally respect your views on Hoover, Mike...and agree that he was a louse for ordering the military into action against vets,,,,,I'm left wondering, after viewing this video, is that what we would see happen now...should ozero do the same thing....the active military come against its own citizens?
1/6/2013 9:15:43 PM	How Will They?
stargazzer Creighton, NE 66, joined Feb. 2007	I don't think obama is stockpiling ammo for the millitary in .40?? Labor unions maybe. [Edited 1/6/2013 9:17:08 PM ]
1/6/2013 11:15:32 PM	How Will They?
rcrmike Souderton, PA 56, joined Apr. 2009	A few posts earier, there's discussion if OBummer will attempt to take our guns, and opinion if the people will cave in. I have another observation. In the last few months and mostly the last few weeks gun sales have soared. Let's remember that confiscation has been brewing for longer than that. Does anyone think that the people purchasing guns today are spending hard earned money on expensive weapons, that are being inflated daily, only to hand them over next month, or next year? That would be the most irresponsible investment at a time when every dollar can be spent on other of life's essentials. Could it be that it's not a financial investment at all, but a life and liberty essential? I don't think that any of the recent purchases will be confiscated before removing all it's contents from the pointy end. I think each and every one of them knows what, 'from my cold dead hands' means. There is no mistake about it. They know exactly what they are doing. They will be the patriots our grandchildren will be reading about in our future history books. If any of us have an opportunity, it's our duty to make sure history is recorded accurately. A very few citizens have voluntarily turned in their guns for cash in cities that offer it. Those few are not the majority, and have settled for cash over the potential hassle. Maybe they needed the money. Maybe they bought the Liberal story that guns kill. Maybe they flunked history. I will not speak negatively about them, but I will not shed a tear for what happens to them, nor salute them. Does anyone know what the cities are buying them for, and can legitimate dealers do the same or maybe pay a bit more. The shelves are empty. Why not?
1/7/2013 8:56:59 AM	How Will They?
shawnee_b Edmonton, KY 60, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from cowgirl316: ...I've been waiting for more than a few years now, to see what the proverbial 'straw that broke the camel's back' would be. And I'm still waiting. Ditto. They keep pushing, because without any resistance at all (except that useless "talk"), we let them. Americans have always backpedaled as freedoms, liberties are taken, the Constitution is crapped on and it's always "one more thing and we fight!" . Will this time be the straw? With the ban, registration and confiscations on the horizon, it's far more than a second amendment attack, its a full out attack on everything we know and care about. Compare now to 30-40 years ago. Do you all feel secure? Safe against the govt? Against federal home invasions? Feel like a police state already to you? Feel like NWO just hasn't been announced yet? Has anything at all been actually private from prying agencies for a couple decades?
1/7/2013 9:07:34 AM	How Will They?
shawnee_b Edmonton, KY 60, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from rcrmike: Does anyone know what the cities are buying them for, and can legitimate dealers do the same or maybe pay a bit more. The shelves are empty. Why not? Average pay $50 for buybacks. Usually these are hot, broken, questionable in some way. This crap happens in cities, buys them a few more hours dope, gets a broken gun off the street at taxpayer expense. I can't see a legit reason why a licensed dealer can't do a sort of "gun buyback" program but with a working gun you can walk into any gun shop and sell it for much more than a buy back price for one. However some cretin in my shop who can't look in my eyes, shuffling his feet raises suspicion. I'd run a serial number check first. Buy backs don't. There may be a hidden loophole like if you call it a "buy back" they must be destroyed. The premise for the buybacks is "get them off the street" permanently.
1/7/2013 10:29:30 AM	How Will They?
tileman1814 Kalispell, MT 64, joined Nov. 2007	Quote from cowgirl316: While I totally respect your views on Hoover, Mike...and agree that he was a louse for ordering the military into action against vets,,,,,I'm left wondering, after viewing this video, is that what we would see happen now...should ozero do the same thing....the active military come against its own citizens? Well Ester,I have to stay with my past statment that given todays state of affairs and a few polls by some groups I truley belive that when push comes to shove 98% of the military will be on our side. Semper Fi !!!
1/7/2013 4:19:12 PM	How Will They?
cowgirl316 Coshocton, OH 57, joined Oct. 2012	I pray you're right, Mike! ^^^^^^
1/7/2013 4:23:46 PM	How Will They?
cowgirl316 Coshocton, OH 57, joined Oct. 2012	Quote from shawnee_b: Do you all feel secure? Safe against the govt? Against federal home invasions? Feel like a police state already to you? Feel like NWO just hasn't been announced yet? Has anything at all been actually private from prying agencies for a couple decades? No!, No!, No!, YES!!!, YES!, No!
1/7/2013 5:51:20 PM	How Will They?
shawnee_b Edmonton, KY 60, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from cowgirl316: No!, No!, No!, YES!!!, YES!, No! After 9/11 I lost that sense of security and not only because of 9/11 but the rain of acts, laws, bills, agencies that fell on us immediately. It was all planned. Asscrotch had the entire Patriot Act printed for distribution 6 weeks after 9/11, no one got to read it, were scared and caved. First true exposure of the police state to be in 2001. Not to mention GW's open disdain of the Constitution and speak of NWO. This has been planned for too long, since the founding but not openly as now. How many have read about the 300 who are known to each other, the Illuminati, "The protocols of the learned elders of Zion" or whatever you wish to call them, all in the same. Here's a link. http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm
1/7/2013 7:31:16 PM	How Will They?
rcrmike Souderton, PA 56, joined Apr. 2009	This video was uploaded to YouTube way back in 2008. Many have probably seen it before, but now that we have new knowledge and many more questions, it may be helpful to re-evaluate what was presented to Congress a few years back. Is it about ready to haunt us very soon? It's very brief, but the candid exclaimation at 1:20 minutes should make your heart skip a few beats. What do they have in mind for us? I don't think a few guns are their concern today.
1/8/2013 9:09:28 AM	How Will They?
shawnee_b Edmonton, KY 60, joined Apr. 2010	It's way more than the second and a few guns. Seen Alex Jones "End game"? Stream the whole thing for free, very well done. I find Georgia Stones an interesting read too.
1/8/2013 9:33:18 AM	How Will They?
hodag Nome, AK 62, joined Nov. 2007	Quote from tileman1814: Well Ester,I have to stay with my past statment that given todays state of affairs and a few polls by some groups I truley belive that when push comes to shove 98% of the military will be on our side. Semper Fi !!! Mike, I believe it was you who just days before this last election posted a list of military personnel who supported obama and another list of those who opposed him. Those who favored him was Colin Powell and a handful of other idiots, those who opposed him was like 7 pages long. I firmly believe your gut instinct about who will side with us is right on the money.
1/8/2013 11:02:32 AM	How Will They?
tileman1814 Kalispell, MT 64, joined Nov. 2007	Quote from hodag: Mike, I believe it was you who just days before this last election posted a list of military personnel who supported obama and another list of those who opposed him. Those who favored him was Colin Powell and a handful of other idiots, those who opposed him was like 7 pages long. I firmly believe your gut instinct about who will side with us is right on the money. Thanks Bill.I really belive the military will do the right thing if it comes to picking sides.There will be a lot riding on it.Please God let me be right Semper Fi !!!
1/8/2013 12:49:18 PM	How Will They?
shawnee_b Edmonton, KY 60, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from tileman1814: Thanks Bill.I really belive the military will do the right thing if it comes to picking sides.There will be a lot riding on it.Please God let me be right Semper Fi !!! I sure hope you are right.

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