Famous draft dodgers..

2/1/2013 6:37:13 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
whiskeyrichard Coxs Creek, KY 67, joined Apr. 2012	I was at our VFW post tonight and some of us were sitting around drinking and playing cards and talking about the nomination hearings for Chuck Hagel as Secretary of Defense. Hagel was an enlisted man, volunteered for Vietnam, and was wounded twice as a infantry squad leader in the Mekong Delta with the 9th Infantry. Hes been catching hell from some Senators and media types for positions hes taken over the years while in office.I love the guy!If confirmed he will be the first enlistedman to hold the job. Anyway the discussion got around to draft dodgers and chickenhawks during the draft era and Vietnam (it always comes up). So we started naming names. Heres some--please add those you can remember-- and keep it to years when we had a draft before the volunteer army please. Bill Clinton Muhammad Ali (religious principles) Tom Delay (former House Speaker, said he didnt want to deprive some poor black kid from an opportunity to better himself) Karl Rove Dck Cheney Pat Buchanan Sean Hannity Rush Limbaugh (cyst on his a* and a "football knee" Clarence Thomas Ted Nugent Donald Trump and my favorite Sylvester Stallone! He fled the country and went to Sweden to coach girls volleyball, then returned to make millions as "Rambo".....hes the biggest chickenshit, chickenhawk of all time!!! Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
2/1/2013 7:03:32 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
cowboy4672 Lillian, AL 68, joined Dec. 2012	Mitt Romney, Spent the years "Preaching in Paris!!
2/10/2013 2:59:24 AM	Famous draft dodgers..
gdaddy47 Columbia, TN 68, joined Sep. 2009 online now!	Cassius Clay, aka muthammit alley. No to Hagel [Edited 2/10/2013 3:01:07 AM ]
2/10/2013 9:34:59 AM	Famous draft dodgers..
jrbogie1949 Red Bluff, CA 66, joined Mar. 2009	i enlisted to dodge the draft. not really famous though, am i?
2/10/2013 10:44:50 AM	Famous draft dodgers..
whiskeyrichard Coxs Creek, KY 67, joined Apr. 2012	I think you are on to something there jrbogie! I must have been a draft dodger myself! I enlisted because I knew I would be drafted and I wanted to pick my MOS.....never thought of it that way, but you are right!
2/10/2013 11:32:46 AM	Famous draft dodgers..
jrbogie1949 Red Bluff, CA 66, joined Mar. 2009	funny thing. i originally enlisted for an mos that was sure never to be in vietnam. 24u i think it was which was electrical maintenance on nike hercules missles. since i qualified for any enlisted mos i made sure to pick one that would keep me out of vietnam and these missles were based near big cities, hawaii and europe. but i was in the day room shooting pool during basic training when i saw a poster on the wall with a picture of a huey helicopter. the crew chief was helping several pretty nurses aboard and there was a kid about my age sitting in the pilot seat checking out some good looking ass. he had on a cool helmet, aviator sunglasses, flight suit and gloves and was obviously saying something in his boom mike like, 'man, check out the blonde'. the caption on the poster read, 'if you have a high school diploma or ged equivelant this could be you in less than a year. i went straight to the orderly room and asked where do i sign up?
2/10/2013 11:42:38 AM	Famous draft dodgers..
toughluck78 Mineral Wells, TX 37, joined Dec. 2012	Two things of note here, and I hope I'm not alone in this. 1) The fact that Chuck Hagel was enlisted doesn't qualify him for any particular position, especially considering that, by his own admission, he doesn't know much about the DoD and 2) The people who went through the official process to get a deferment instead of being drafted aren't all draft dodgers. Save that for the folks who left the country or went to jail to avoid the draft. That's some very simplistic thinking right there on both parts.
2/10/2013 12:17:24 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
jrbogie1949 Red Bluff, CA 66, joined Mar. 2009	i suppose the real dodge was dodging vietnam and i've no problem with anybody dodging such a fked up travesty no matter what route they took to dodge that war. it didn't take more than a few weeks in country, having changed my mind about doing everything i could to avoid vietnam to apply for flight school that put me on a direct path to the war, before i realized i'd fked up big time. that my name is not on that wall is pure dumb luck. that i didn't have the occasion to kill another human who was only fighting to free his/her country from a foreign presence is evan more dumb luck. at the time i didn't appreciate the draft dodgers either but as i've aged i've come to respect many of them for the more mature decisions they made when compared to mine. i shudder to think that i actually made a decision that went totally against my ethics and feelings about that f**ked up war to put myself in the middle of it primarily because i thought flying helicopeters would be cool. i don't condone all draft dodging nor do i condone some of the actions of those who protested the war, jane fonda, et. al., but i do respect many of them, including jane, for sticking to their principles far better than i did.
2/12/2013 1:56:11 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
theextirpater Traverse City, MI 66, joined Nov. 2012	Quote from jrbogie1949: i suppose the real dodge was dodging vietnam and i've no problem with anybody dodging such a fked up travesty no matter what route they took to dodge that war. it didn't take more than a few weeks in country, having changed my mind about doing everything i could to avoid vietnam to apply for flight school that put me on a direct path to the war, before i realized i'd fked up big time. that my name is not on that wall is pure dumb luck. that i didn't have the occasion to kill another human who was only fighting to free his/her country from a foreign presence is evan more dumb luck. at the time i didn't appreciate the draft dodgers either but as i've aged i've come to respect many of them for the more mature decisions they made when compared to mine. i shudder to think that i actually made a decision that went totally against my ethics and feelings about that fked up war to put myself in the middle of it primarily because i thought flying helicopeters would be cool. i don't condone all draft dodging nor do i condone some of the actions of those who protested the war, jane fonda, et. al., but i do respect many of them, including jane, for sticking to their principles far better than i did. The Geneva Accords, signed in 1954 after the French defeat in Dien Bien Phu, led to a “temporary division” of Vietnam between northern and southern parts at the 17th parallel. A nationwide election and the reunification of the country were planned for the end of 1956. However, Washington opposed this process because it believed that the revolutionaries, led by Ho Chi Minh, would win a democratic poll**. Instead, the US set up a corrupt and dictatorial puppet regime in the South, which was an artificial country in every field. Throughout its two decades of existence, it became totally dependent on American economic and military assistance. When the US withdrew its troops in 1973, the regime, led by General Nguyen van Thieu, collapsed after two years almost without a fight. So, instead of letting the Vietnamese decide what they wanted for themselves, we forced a bloody war on them killing between 2 and 3 million Vietnamese people. One would think we learned our lessons; but, no.
2/12/2013 2:05:36 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
jrbogie1949 Red Bluff, CA 66, joined Mar. 2009	strange bedfellows, huh?
2/12/2013 2:58:26 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
whiskeyrichard Coxs Creek, KY 67, joined Apr. 2012	well put jrbogie! On the famous draft dodgers listone in particular should get your attention- Ted Nugent! He'll be sitting in the gallery in Congress tonight, the guest of a Texas Congressman. When he was called up for the draft by his own admission he didn't bathe for a month, drank Pepsi and ate junk food exclusively.The last week he soiled himself regularly instead of using the toilet to avoid the draft. Evidently Ol' Ted is a real gun enthusiast (so am I) but he is much more comfortable popping rounds off at unarmed prey than those able to shoot back. [Edited 2/12/2013 2:59:31 PM ]
2/12/2013 3:05:48 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
whiskeyrichard Coxs Creek, KY 67, joined Apr. 2012	Re-deferments. Many draft dodgers used college as their route to avoid service toughluck., but not all, just as you indicate. Local draft boards were widely known to be corrupt and that's one of the biggest criticisms of the process. So many of those deferments were granted for arbitrary ,economic and political reasons. But also a lot of guys "hid out" in the Guard and Reserves because very few of those units were deployed-unlike today with all volunteer force and no draft.
2/12/2013 7:39:50 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
cowboy4672 Lillian, AL 68, joined Dec. 2012	Well I felt sorry for a lot of the Dodgers back then, When I didn't know better!! You've got to admit they had to spend a lot of late nights at the bar finding a "Wife, and then producing a child." Or they had to keep asking their "Texas Oil King" daddy for money while they lived the rough life in Paris, England, Canada, Switzerland, etc.! It's the Current crop of "Patriots" who Irritate me to no end!! Really............ The "Patriot" network. Really??
2/13/2013 11:10:01 AM	Famous draft dodgers..
whiskeyrichard Coxs Creek, KY 67, joined Apr. 2012	I felt sorry for the guys who were married. I knew one guy, Doug Key, he was from Kentucky just like me.He got drafted and was 5 or 6 years older than the rest of us and had been married a while, held a good job.It really disrupted his life. I lost track of him ,but I think he was infantry.
2/13/2013 11:21:30 AM	Famous draft dodgers..
joe_grappler Larimore, ND 43, joined Apr. 2011	Quote from cowboy4672: It's the Current crop of "Patriots" who Irritate me to no end!! Really............ The "Patriot" network. Really?? Who is this "current crop of patriots?" Not trying to be a smart ass, I honestly don't know who you are referring to.
2/13/2013 12:33:33 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
whiskeyrichard Coxs Creek, KY 67, joined Apr. 2012	I dunno grappler but any time I hear somebody use the word "patriot" to describe themselves or someone they agree with and want to bestow their own seal of approval on I immediately get pissed off. I also hate when "great American" gets thrown around on talk radio and I dont care who does it. I like "citizen"..it says a lot for me. Ordinary citizens from the big cities and the little towns and villages, the farms, bayous and everywhere across this blessed land have served this country well, courageously and bravely in and out of uniform and built it . They are and were patriots. Same for heroes. Yesterday a young soldier, a SSG, from the 4th ID was presented the Medal of Honor. He had tears as he sat in the Roosevelt Room at the White House waiting for the CIC to hang it around his neck. But when his time came to speak all he could talk about was the sacrifice and valor of the men he served alongside and lost in the battle that led to his award. Hes a hero.Hes a patriot.Hes a GREAT AMERICAN But you will never hear him describe himself that way.
2/13/2013 1:52:47 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
whiskeyrichard Coxs Creek, KY 67, joined Apr. 2012	Got a few minutes so I got a bit more to say on the draft.I can only comment from my own direct and personal experience.The draft was corrupt and everybody knew it. Thats why a lot of us just went ahead and made our own choice to serve, picked our branch and MOS. It was going to happen right after high school and we knew it. Student deferments were a sham and a game.The only requirement was that a student be full time and "progressing toward a degree or graduation". If deferments had been uniformly and fairly granted it would have not excused thousands of others from serving. Thats not how it was administrated. In a fair draft your education would NOT be interrupted provided your attendance and grades met a standard.But upon graduation you would serve. In the meanwhile, as you pursued your degree you might consider ROTC or the Guard and Reserve. Or upon notification of draft you could enter the military, gain the benefits of the GI Bill for education and return to schol once your military commitment was satisfied. Wasn't done like that. As for religious grounds a** wipes like Mitt Romney got religious exemptions to go on a Mormon "mission" while a black man named Cassius Clay was stripped of wealth and a heavyweight title because of his Muslim faith. Meanwhile hundreds, maybe thousands of Conscientious Objectors accepted their duty and served.I know.I was a medic, my mom was raised Quaker, and at Ft. Sam Houston were I went to AIT one barracks (Long Barracks) housed "COs" who went to Vietnam and served as medics also.One of them won the Medal of Honor. But the Cheneys, the Limbaughs, Hannitys, Nugents of the world, the Romneys and the Stallones love war.They just dont feel they need to fight them theirselves and profiting from the spilling of the blood of others is just part of doing business .So..thats my rant
2/13/2013 4:58:07 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
cowboy4672 Lillian, AL 68, joined Dec. 2012	When I refer to "Patriots" in a derogatory manner I refer to the "Pinheads and Patriots" of the "Fox Network" All of them have been listed in this listing, and they have a "Pulpit" to preach from. Sorry But, True Shirkers, Shouldn't be allowed to dictate the fate of My children!!
2/15/2013 5:57:44 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
transplant71 Ocala, FL 44, joined Dec. 2012	Dan Quayle.
2/19/2013 10:09:40 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
lokin4ya Ormond Beach, FL 66, joined Jan. 2012	Harking back to WWII...you got John Wayne and Peter Lawford. And, Just how many pro athletes of any sport were drafted during our entire involvement in Viet-Nam? ( Not guys that served, and then went on to pro careers; but were on team roosters and then got drafted.) Even during WWII, while lots of guys were patriotic enough to join; it wasn't until LATE '43 that team owners FINALLY couldn't keep swaying draft boards, and then lots more pros had to face the music.
2/20/2013 9:55:06 AM	Famous draft dodgers..
whiskeyrichard Coxs Creek, KY 67, joined Apr. 2012	During Vietnam I only recall two NFL players who served in the war zone.Rocky Blier (Purple Heart) of the Steelers and Roger Staubach of the Cowboys. Stauback never set foot on dry land though and sat on his a** somewhere out in the South China Sea.
2/20/2013 2:39:32 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
lokin4ya Ormond Beach, FL 66, joined Jan. 2012	Whiskey....just as a point of info...Staubach spend his time in-country at a Naval Support depot just outside of Da Nang. There's a Stars & Stripes article (interview) from Oct. 66.
2/20/2013 8:46:56 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
jrbogie1949 Red Bluff, CA 66, joined Mar. 2009	anybody in the south china sea damn sure can't be compared to a draft dodger. for many it was a last stop before the hanoi hilton and many others just a plain last stop.
2/20/2013 8:51:26 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
jrbogie1949 Red Bluff, CA 66, joined Mar. 2009	on a similar note, many b52 crews never set foot anywhere in southeast asia having flown their arclights from guam and never came home.
4/7/2013 11:39:53 AM	Famous draft dodgers..
max2011991 Flagstaff, AZ 63, joined Apr. 2013	I like the list of people that were too good for the military and dodged the draft, it's a good start for a thread. For me, Nugent, Stalone and Clinton belong right up on top of the list. I think you are out of your league with this comment though, "One of them won the Medal of Honor". Point of fact here, medals are awarded not "won". Looks like you might as well roll an new one, open a fresh bottle and continue your weekend.
4/8/2013 6:35:36 PM	Famous draft dodgers..
whiskeyrichard Coxs Creek, KY 67, joined Apr. 2012	hey max! all respect brother, but please tell me who won the Medal of Honor? Wasnt Staubach..he never set foot in-country.Fact. Indisputable.He was an ensign riding around in a boat.No direct combat. NONE. Bob Kerry (Navy SEAL) former senator from Nebraska, amputee did..help me here? Who ya talking about?
4/11/2013 10:25:44 AM	Famous draft dodgers..
max2011991 Flagstaff, AZ 63, joined Apr. 2013	quote from whiskyrichard hey max! all respect brother, but please tell me who won the Medal of Honor? Wasnt Staubach..he never set foot in-country.Fact. Indisputable.He was an ensign riding around in a boat.No direct combat. NONE. Bob Kerry (Navy SEAL) former senator from Nebraska, amputee did..help me here? Who ya talking about? Hey WR, all respect to you also. My point is you DO NOT WIN medals in the military you are AWARDED medals for performance, being wounded, bravery in and out of combat, etc. I know Bob, he's a hella of a Sailor, but his politics leave a lot to be desired.

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