Oleander! How Bad is it Really?

7/16/2008 6:28:22 PM	Oleander! How Bad is it Really?
arreis Cottonwood, AZ 54, joined Oct. 2007	Oleander is one of the most poisonous plants and contains numerous toxic compounds, many of which can be deadly to people, especially young children. The toxicity of Oleander is considered extremely high and it has been reported that in some cases only a small amount had lethal or near lethal effects (Goetz 1998). Effects of poisoning Oleandrin, one of the toxins present in OleanderReactions to this plant are as follows. Ingestion can cause both gastrointestinal and cardiac effects. The gastrointestinal effects can consist of nausea and vomiting, excess salivation, abdominal pain, diarrhea that may or may not contain blood, and especially in horses, colic (Inchem 2005). Cardiac reactions consist of irregular heart rate, sometimes characterized by a racing heart at first that then slows to below normal further along in the reaction. The heart may also beat erratically with no sign of a specific rhythm. Extremities may become pale and cold due to poor or irregular circulation (Goetz 1998). Reactions to poisonings from this plant can also affect the central nervous system. These symptoms can include drowsiness, tremors or shaking of the muscles, seizures, collapse, and even coma that can lead to death (Goetz 1998). Oleander sap can cause skin irritations, severe eye inflammation and irritation, and allergy reactions characterized by dermatitis (Goetz 1998). ~~Now for the reason I'm asking~~ A portion of my fence is lined with oleander. I have been around it. Worked with it and have no ill effects from it. But my concern is with my pets. I have a dog and a cat. The cat pretty much stays away from it but my dog is around it all the time. She is 3yrs old and has been around it her entire life and has not had any ill effects that I'm aware of. I still worry however and wonderd if anyone here has personally seen an adverse reaction from this plant in humans or animals. I would hate to have to cut my bushes down because they make a good fence line. But I would do it if I thought my animals life was in danger...... Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
7/16/2008 6:56:12 PM	Oleander! How Bad is it Really?
dumpsterdiver1 Kernville, CA 63, joined Jul. 2008	oh yes,oleander....everyone has it up here...in all colors...great plant....i have watched cats chew on it without ill effects,but then like dogs, they chew on plants to regurgitate...there are @40 stray cats in my area,and keep multiplying,so personally i don't believe that oleander is harmful to domestic nor wild life....i had to give away many house plants when i had a cat,more toxic to animals than indigenous growth... in the old days,wives tired of their bum husbands, used to drop 3 leaves into a hot beverage,heart attack city....oops,i'm digressing,anyway,most animals leave the type of plants alone after one bite....not pleasant to the palette.... [Edited 7/16/2008 7:00:12 PM ]
7/16/2008 7:02:40 PM	Oleander! How Bad is it Really?
arreis Cottonwood, AZ 54, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from dumpsterdiver1: oh yes,oleander....everyone has it up here...in all colors...great plant....i have watched cats chew on it without ill effects,but then like dogs, they chew on plants to regurgitate...there are @40 stray cats in my area,and keep multiplying,so personally i don't believe that oleander is harmful to domestic nor wild life....i had to give away many house plants when i had a cat,more toxic to animals than indigenous growth... in the old days,wives tired of their bum husbands, used to drop 3 leaves into a hot beverage,heart attack city..... thanx dumpster.....I know, the plants are every where here too. That is where my confusion comes in and why I want to know if maybe someone with a horse or livestock has seen any affects. Or maybe we have a veterinarian in the house that could offer some insight. As you say.....I find it difficult to believe the harmful effects exist. right, but without digestion.....what about the oils? thinking of posion ivy btw....3 leaves? I will take note of that... [Edited 7/16/2008 7:04:49 PM ]
7/16/2008 7:44:39 PM	Oleander! How Bad is it Really?
dumpsterdiver1 Kernville, CA 63, joined Jul. 2008	..i just called a retired vet here in town;she says,she's never seen oleander poisoning in pets, and,that some animals thrive on it,ie. many birds and cattarpillars....
7/16/2008 7:59:00 PM	Oleander! How Bad is it Really?
arreis Cottonwood, AZ 54, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from dumpsterdiver1: ..i just called a retired vet here in town;she says,she's never seen oleander poisoning in pets, and,that some animals thrive on it,ie. many birds and cattarpillars.... Woohoo! Good thinking. Thank you. Actually, my pup had been limping for a couple days with no sign of injury and so I was trying to eliminate possiblities here. Thanx so much!
7/16/2008 10:23:06 PM	Oleander! How Bad is it Really?
dumpsterdiver1 Kernville, CA 63, joined Jul. 2008	sorry,that was caterpillars...duh!
7/16/2008 10:29:16 PM	Oleander! How Bad is it Really?
dumpsterdiver1 Kernville, CA 63, joined Jul. 2008	since your question intrigued me,i looked around some more....many urban myths out there,but i could only find a handful of pets reported poisoned...i actually had to ingest a similar substance for 3 years...digitalis....one of those millions of "medicines"that cause permanent heart damage...thank's alot you nazi pharmaceutical companies!
7/18/2008 11:32:21 PM	Oleander! How Bad is it Really?
coppermare Grady, AL 56, joined Feb. 2008	Not sure if it's true or relevant but heard it's poisonous to horses.
7/24/2008 8:52:33 PM	Oleander! How Bad is it Really?
arreis Cottonwood, AZ 54, joined Oct. 2007	Thanx whale, sorry for your loss. That's what I was looking for. Some first hand experience....oh and its good to see you, by the way! Quote from whalemstr: I lost two llamas to Oleanders!!! It took one day for the two of them to die - and it took two days to figure out it was because they grazed on just a couple of the leaves! It is extremely poisonous to horses and other animals and wildlife. If you are going to have anything that grazes or browses on leaves - get rid of it or you WILL regret it!! Was the most depressing few days in my and my childrens lives because of those plants. I dug them all up and got rid of them immediately. One grew back from the roots I missed and I haven't got rid of it yet, but I do not have anything that will eat it so it is staying put until I have to chop it out. Later, Dan
7/25/2008 9:31:12 AM	Oleander! How Bad is it Really?
arreis Cottonwood, AZ 54, joined Oct. 2007	......Make it work! Ohh, and I know all about have'n to rent a backhoe for bury'n them large critters! Take Care and see ya around the forum doldrums! Quote from whalemstr: thanx yes it was a very,very sad and enlightening experience not too mention exhausting and expensive had to hire a guy with a backhoe to come and bury them haven't been posting much lately have found a lady and have been concentrating on us to see where and how far it takes us will probably be posting lots more now as she has to go back home now to take care of things and I am alone here again damnit
7/25/2008 8:32:26 PM	Oleander! How Bad is it Really?
alicekathleen Sacramento, CA 70, joined May. 2008	They are poisonous. I use them however, in my landscaping as they are hardy, fast growing, low water, and do well in this climate. Great for covering fences. In milder areas of the state, a fragrant variety called Nadina grows well. Has a light, peachy scent. I have run across one here in Fresno, but must be at the far end of its range. The white seems the fastest growing, the ones I planted on the back fence a year ago are 6 ft tall and four wide. Red seems the slowest. I have used the dwarf varities also. So, yes, it is poison, as are castor beans, but it is a choice for the xeroscapic garden. I have had cats, dogs, here for 40 years and they ignore the plants. Poinsetta is also toxic, but in the mild areas of this state, they can grow to 6 or more feet high, and most yards have a few to show off those blossoms in winter. If you ever go to San Pedro, you will see what I mean. At the holidays, it is hard to imagine a more spectacular sight than those huge poinsettas blooming.
8/17/2008 9:03:37 AM	Oleander! How Bad is it Really?
cadwell Yuba City, CA 40, joined Jul. 2008	there is a story about a group of campers that one night they were around the fire cooking up some Hot dogs. What happened next was one of the men had unknowingly used the branch of an oleander Tree to poke into his hot dog. All the while as he cooked it, juices from the branch made its way into the food. He was later dead of the toxins.m
8/17/2008 9:41:57 AM	Oleander! How Bad is it Really?
alicekathleen Sacramento, CA 70, joined May. 2008	I heard the same story, only they were Spanish Conquistadores! Yes, it is poison, but it is a useful shrub and I will continue to plant them in my yard. My white ones planted one year ago are almost 6 ft tall and nice and wide, hiding the view of neighbor's garage and require only weekly light watering.

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