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9/18/2013 1:20:47 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
funwithmusic
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Chapel Hill, NC
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Quote from longbobby:
Quote from illuminati_grasshopper:
Cmon fun... lets stay on topic. Why dors every topic have to be about jews and the jew conspiracy?
=========================================

Because it's the anti-gun jewish politicians in Congress that are behind the gun control putsch.

Think that might have anything to do w/ it?

Who do you THINK started the putsch for gun control back in the 60's?


Isnt it frustrating telling people the truth..and they just REFUSE to even see it?

HERE..THIS PROVES EVERYTHING...JEWISH FACES..NAMES...PUSHING GUN CONTROL SINCE THE 60'S...WHEN THE RUSSIAN JEWS CAME TO AMERICA..AND BEGAN TO DEMORALIZE THE PEOPLE OF MY COUNTRY WITH JEWISH DECADENCE...a common complaint by all nations where Jews have gathered in mass.

Jews began all kinds of subverted movements when the Russian Jewish Mafia came to america..and began to spread their Judiac communism like a blight over America...starting with the HIPPY POT SMOKING COMMUNE MOVEMENT..

Or the Jewish led homosexual movement..

Or THE WORST OF ALL.THE MOST DESTRUCTIVE..THE FEMINIST MOVEMENT which never has been about empowering women.its about WEAKENING AMERICA BY DESTORYING THE FAMILY..OUR TRADITIONS..AND CUSTOMS WHICH SPLINTERS US..

WOODSTOCK..WAS THE STRIKE THAT LIT THE MATCH of destruction of my generation..programming us...to become hedonistic.. and irresponsible....instead of the traditional way of life of most Americans which was conservative...and mostly Christian..The Christians and their ways were the benchmark in America ..keeping good boundaries..due to peer pressure.




WWW.JEWISHFACES.COM

WHO CONTROLS AMERICA?
thezog.wordpress


Im sure not all Jews are cruel and mean..but they are involved in a massive CULT RELIGION.which has NOTHING to do with the Tribe of Judah

They are deceived..and the peon Jews..are used by the Luciferians to further Luciferian goals...common peon Jews are killed..like the rest of us..and used for CANNON FODDER to build this NEW JEW ORDER...just as happened in Germany, using fearmongering to force Jews to move to ISRA-HELL..BABYLON...the home of devils (Revelation 11:8 , Revelation 18:10, Revelation 18:2-3)

WW2 MASSIVE WORLD WIDE TALMUDIC KABBALIST JIHAD AGAINST CHRISTIAN PEOPLE OF GERMANY...Hitlers army was FILLED wiht Zionist Jews...who killed other Jews FOR THE CAUSE

HITLER..son of Jew Rothchild..a bastard son just like STALIN WAS..WORKING together with Jew Eisenhower..and Jew Churchill...thus...world wide jihad against Christian Germany

JEW EISENHOWER starved to death 1.7 million innocent German men women and children - A BLOOD HUMAN SACRIFICE TO HIS GOD..LUCIFER

approx 150,000 Jews may have died

but 9 MILLION GERMANS WERE SACRIFICED IN THE JEWISH HOLOCAOST AGAINST THE GERMAN PEOPLE...

HOLOCAUST MEANS 'BURNT OFFERING'..

The only people burned..were the German People. THAT WAS THE TRUE HOLOCAUST

GOOGLE DRESDEN GERMANY...AND those dead people in those pits..were Germans...not Jews and those pitiful Jewish movies were filled with utter lies!!!

KOL NIDRE


AND LETS NOT FORGET..THE WIEMAR REPUBLIC..where Jews ruled..and lived the lives of the elite...HOMOSEXUALS RAN RAMPANT...and German people wer impoverish..

YOU REALLY THINK THAT IS NOT THEIR ENDGAME IN AMERICA?

WHY DO YOU THINK THEY WANT OUR GUNS SO BAD


I will be happy when the American people get their brains pulled out of their butts..and can begin to see what is really going on..

I know..its so massive....so organized..for so long..How can it be true?

Read the bible..and you will learn..and understand what is really going on

This is why Jews..who love their god Lucifer..push atheism for everyone else..THE DONT LIKE IT WHEN YOU READ THE BIBLE..AND LEARN THE TRUTH..and anyone who does..will learn the truth..you betcha.



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9/18/2013 1:38:31 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
funwithmusic
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (16,059)
Chapel Hill, NC
60, joined Feb. 2007


Quote from illuminati_13:
Cmon fun... lets stay on topic. Why dors every topic have to be about jews and the jew conspiracy?

And yes. I am a paid shill. Hired by the jews to discredit any truth coming out about jews. I am a satanist jew and i ritual sacrifice human babies....

Now back to the topic ...


The subject is GUN CONTROL..isnt it?

Ive shown you who is doing it...right?



You just dont like the info....so you seek to twist and change reality..to suit your own belief...instead of seeing the facts..the evidence..

This is about Ego..isnt it..You just cant be wrong..can you...so you are tying to find some other truth..to fit into your mind control programming..Dont feel bad..cause MOST AMERICANS HAVE BEEN MIND CONTROLLED..AND RE-PROGRAMMED MOST THEIR LIVES through the TROJAN HORSE..the TELEVISION.. A WEAPON OF MASS DECEPTION.

Dont try to mimulize me...after all Ive presented to you..its absurd to even try use that kind of typical sayanim spew..







FIRST..LITTLE ZIONIST JEW CHUCKIE SHUMER is not your friend.
NEXT..THE HAMMER..is a Jewish symbol of VICTORY IN WAR...Learn more about that ..Judas Macaabee..THE HAMMER.

REMEMBER..after Argentine Jewess Pelosi FORCE FED ILLEGALLY DOWN THE THROATS OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE-UTTERLY DESTORYING THE CONSTITUTION......OBAMA-SCARE...s

THEN THE JEWESS walked through the crowd with a gigantic HAMMER IN HER HAND..SIGNIFYING A JEWISH COMMUNIST VICTORY..

Ive been at this alot longer than you..I know things you haven't even imagined yet.

FBI: More People Killed with Hammers, Clubs Each Year than Rifles
According to the FBI annual crime statistics, the number of murders committed annually with hammers and clubs far outnumbers the number of murders committed with a rifle.

This is an interesting fact, particularly amid the Democrats' feverish push to ban many different rifles, ostensibly to keep us safe of course.

However, it appears the zeal of Sens. like Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Joe Manchin (D-WV) is misdirected. For in looking at the FBI numbers from 2005 to 2011, the number of murders by hammers and clubs consistently exceeds the number of murders committed with a rifle.

Think about it: In 2005, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 445, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 605. In 2006, the number of murders committed with a rifle was 438, while the number of murders committed with hammers and clubs was 618.

And so the list goes, with the actual numbers changing somewhat from year to year, yet the fact that more people are killed with blunt objects each year remains constant.

For example, in 2011, there was 323 murders committed with a rifle but 496 murders committed with hammers and clubs.

While the FBI makes is clear that some of the "murder by rifle" numbers could be adjusted up slightly, when you take into account murders with non-categorized types of guns, it does not change the fact that their annual reports consistently show more lives are taken each year with these blunt objects than are taken with Feinstein's dreaded rifle.

Another interesting fact: According to the FBI, nearly twice as many people are killed by hands and fists each year than are killed by murderers who use rifles.

The bottom line: A rifle ban is as illogical as it is unconstitutional. We face far greater danger from individuals armed with carpenters' tools and a caveman's stick.

And it seems fairly obvious that if more people had a gun, less people would be inclined to try to hit them in the head with a hammer.





TELL ME ILLUMINATI...WHY IS THE JEWISH CONTROLLED MEDIA..LYING TO US ABOUT THE GUNS..???


KOL NIDRE..


BECAUSE OF KOL NIDRE...(which I doubt you even know what it is) no Talmudic Kabbalist Jew should ever be allowed in American business.politics..anything

that is why many nations before us..have banned Jews from banking..politics...business..etc..

BECAUSE JUDAISM...PREACHES DISHONESTY..AND MURDER OF ALL HWO ARE NOT A PART OF 'THE TRIBE'..

Dont be a useful idiot...educate yourself....use the links i keep giving to you...

I can tell you never visit them...

BECAUSE GRASSHOPPER....YOU HAVE NOT GROWN A BIT..SINCE I KNEW YOU SO FAR.



YOU CAN LEAD A LIBERAL TO INFORMATION...BUT YOU CANNOT MAKE HIM THINK




DISCLAIMER.....IM AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY POSTER

I WILL TREAT YOU WITH THE SAME RESPECT....THAT YOU TREAT ME WITH..

OTHERWISE....ITS ON BABY!! BRING IT ON..I CAN HANDLE A PEACEFUL DEBATE..OR AN AGGRESSIVE ONE...IM SKILLED..AND HAVE BEEN DOING THIS A VERY LONG TIME. YOUR NOT MY FIRST LIBERAL GRASSHOPPER




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9/18/2013 1:45:44 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

douggiem
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (18,800)
Reading, PA
41, joined Dec. 2011


Quote from longbobby:
Quote from illuminati_13:
I thought the push started in the 20s or 30s?
===============================================

That's what you get for using wikipedia as a historical "source".

Google "The 1968 Gun Control Act"...see who was behind it.


The 1934 National Firearms Act started it actually since it was the first national firearm restriction to apply to everyone unlike the earlier Jim Crow laws that tried to prevent just blacks from owning firearms.

9/18/2013 1:52:04 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
fallguy02379
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (16,747)
Brockton, MA
51, joined Sep. 2011


End the loopholes that allow "collectors" to sell to anyone they want and we all be a safer nation for it.

Gun classifications..........among with gun owner classification

You really want a novice owning an expert piece of weaponry? earn your way up, military experiences should count for something

Straw-buyers need to be dealt a harsh penalty,

9/18/2013 2:02:13 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
funwithmusic
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (16,059)
Chapel Hill, NC
60, joined Feb. 2007


Quote from douggiem:
The 1934 National Firearms Act started it actually since it was the first national firearm restriction to apply to everyone unlike the earlier Jim Crow laws that tried to prevent just blacks from owning firearms.


Its very typical of the Jews to come to a country..and stir up racial...political...class issues among the people of a nation

MOSSAD MOTTO: OUT OF CHAO...ORDER...The New Jew ORder

It seems to me..the Jim Crow laws greatly resemble the laws in Israel in regards to the Jews and the Palestinian people..

Just saying




http://americanhistory.si.edu/brown/history/1-segregated/jim-crow.html
Jim Crow Laws

“It shall be unlawful for a negro and white person to play together or in company with each other in any game of cards or dice, dominoes or checkers.”
—Birmingham, Alabama, 1930


“Marriages are void when one party is a white person and the other is possessed of one-eighth or more negro, Japanese, or Chinese blood.”
—Nebraska, 1911

“Separate free schools shall be established for the education of children of African descent; and it shall be unlawful for any colored child to attend any white school, or any white child to attend a colored school.”
—Missouri, 1929

“All railroads carrying passengers in the state (other than street railroads) shall provide equal but separate accommodations for the white and colored races, by providing two or more passenger cars for each passenger train, or by dividing the cars by a partition, so as to secure separate accommodations.”
—Tennessee, 1891

See more Jim Crow laws
Restrictive signs
Restrictive signs

Restrictive signs sprang up across the southern and western landscape. They were constant and humiliating reminders with a common message—“stay in your place.”

See more signs
Signs around the country
Signs around the country
The movement for racial separation reached far beyond the South and targeted many people besides African Americans. White communities across the country erected various kinds of barriers between themselves and other racial and ethnic groups.
Restricted real-estate covenant
Restricted real-estate covenant
In communities across the country, property owners signed agreements called restrictive covenants. These contracts barred African Americans and sometimes other groups-including Jews, Asians, and Latinos-from many neighborhoods. In this covenant from Arlington County, Virginia, in the 1940s, the purchasers agreed never to sell their house to "persons of any race other than the white Caucasian Race."
Photo of Housing development with sign
Housing development with sign

Los Angeles housing development, about 1950
(Courtesy of Southern California Library for Social Studies and Research)




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9/18/2013 4:11:42 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

bluecougareyes
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (20,203)
Chelan, WA
71, joined Nov. 2008


** GUN CONTROL ** means = " A sharp eye & A steady hand !"

===================================================================================================

** For example:

"Less than a year since the last mass shooting at Fort, the nation finds itself grieving again.


As the tragedy unfolded at the navy station, the number of victims slowly rose from one, finally 12 innocent people; and it became clear this was yet another tragic conclusion to a senseless act of mass violence.


This is, however, a tragedy that likely could have been prevented not by more “gun control,” but by implementing reasonable measures designed to actually protect our military installations from deranged criminals and religious zealots.

As with any violent criminal episode involving mass victims, there are more questions than answers in the immediate aftermath of this incident.

Unfortunately, a lack of facts or evidence has not stopped single-minded, anti-gun activists like .. President Obama and California Sen. Dianne Feinstein from using the tragic episode to renew calls for gun control.

Our domestic military bases have become Gun-Free Zones – a fact not likely lost on the criminally minded looking for a place to “leave their mark.” This irresponsible ban was instituted during the anti-gun administration of President Bill Clinton, and continues to this day."


..> <- Like President Obama and California Sen. Dianne Feinstein

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Just another - " Tragic episode to renew calls for gun control. " ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

===================================================================================================

The Full Article: ** Why Do Our Military Installations Remain “Gun Free Zones?” **


By; Bob Barr | Sep 18, 2013


@: http://townhall.com/columnists/bobbarr/2013/09/18/why-do-our-military-installations-remain-gun-free-zones-n1703354
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9/18/2013 9:01:01 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
funwithmusic
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (16,059)
Chapel Hill, NC
60, joined Feb. 2007


Quote from illuminati_13:
Cmon fun... lets stay on topic. Why dors every topic have to be about jews and the jew conspiracy?



Now back to the topic ...


Cause its Jews who have taken over our gov

Cause its Jews who control the media and brainwash the people

Cause its the Jews who have gotten us into these wasrs..THINK ABOUT IT...WHAT BENEFIT HAVE THESE WARS BEEN TO US...AS COMPARED TO THE jEWS iSRA-HELL?

bECAUSE ITS Jews trying to take our guns away..like they did in other nations and then genicide the poeple..especially the Christians

I suggest you learn more about history..
FRENCH REVOLUTION...JACOBITES - CHRISTIAN GENOCIDE
SPAIN...............FRANKISTS (SATANISTS)
ARMENIA..............JEWISH YOUNG TURKS-CHRISTIAN GENOCIDE
GERMANY............Ashke_NAZIS CHRISTIAN GENOCIDE
Ash-KENNITE-zi
RUSSIA.............BOLSHEVIKS...CHRISTIAN GENOCIDE.
UKRAINE............BOLSHEVIKS.....CHRISTIAN GENOCIDE - HOLOMODOR

AMERICA............ZIONISTS......???? WHAT DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN..ILLUMIANTI?

HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF IF THE PEOPLE DO NOT KNOW IT..

TAKE A HINT..

9/18/2013 9:11:03 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
funwithmusic
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (16,059)
Chapel Hill, NC
60, joined Feb. 2007


Quote from bluecougareyes:
** GUN CONTROL ** means = " A sharp eye & A steady hand !"

===================================================================================================

** For example:

"Less than a year since the last mass shooting at Fort, the nation finds itself grieving again.



I find it rather disturbing that the media..has taken this shooting to the limint..raging about his Arab background....

NEver considering were in his country..killing his people....

OH...WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO MENTION THAT..

ISNT THAT WHAT RON PAUL CALLED...."BLOW BACK"....AND BLOW BACK COMES WHEN A person or a nation does something bad to another ..FIRST and because of that evil work...there is blow back...aka revenge

I HAVE TO GIVE THE ARAB MUSLIMS CREDIT.....THEY HAVE BEEN VERY PATIENT WITH US....THEY ARE TERRIFIED OF THIS GREAT SATAN COMING AFTER THEM..

they are not the bad people..the people running this gov are..and they are Talmudic Kabbalist Satanic Jews...Better get that through your heads soon..or it will be too late..THEY ALREADY HAVE BUILT THEIR OWN PRIVATE ARMY...AND MASSIVE SPY CENTER.

SOON..YOU WONT BE ABLE TO FART IN YOUR OWN HOME..WITHOUT THEM KNOWING ABOUT IT


COLUMBINE SHOOTING .....TWO JEWISH BOYS..MURDERING CHRISTIANS..this was unreported..but a PUFF PIECE was instead reported in its place...

isnt it odd..that the Columbine shooting was reported...but the fact that it was done by TWO JEWISH BOYS WHO PROFESSED A EXTREME HATRED FOR CHRISTIANS ....was never reported???



WHY WAS THAT? IS IT BECAUSE Jews ENJOY EXTRA PRIVILAGE AND PROTECTION by Jewish controlled media. IN AMERICA?? YEP..

why? Because they dont want you to learn about Talmudic Judaism..the most racist.rabid RELIGION OF HATE...and Master Race style supremacy ON THE PLANET!!

AND YET...NOT A PEEP IN JEW CONTROLLED NEWS..

9/18/2013 9:36:45 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

mild112
Pierpont, OH
24, joined Apr. 2012


1.yes, 2.yes, 3.yes, 4.yes and no, 5.yes

some guns are more effective for defense, in my house i like my shot gun because everyone knows the sound of c*cking a shot gun and a lot of times thats all it takes to scare someone away. and should the laws apply to government the same way they apply to civilians yes, i think we should be allowed to have fully automatic weapons and 30 rounds if we want, there is a reason the founding fathers made the 2nd amendment, and people say well the founding fathers had muskets back then its different, the founding fathers new some day weapons would advance and get better and more powerful. the reason the founding fathers made the 2nd amendment is so if necessary we the people can over throw the government and its military and we would have the weapons to do it.

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

does no one understand "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"

9/18/2013 9:43:21 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
illuminati_13
Over 2,000 Posts (3,036)
Louisville, KY
22, joined Aug. 2013


I have a glock and a 1911 for carjackers and muggers.
I have a mossberg 500 for burglars and home invaders.
and i have an ar15 and an sks for anyone who tries to take my guns away

9/18/2013 9:53:00 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

mild112
Pierpont, OH
24, joined Apr. 2012


Quote from illuminati_13:

i have an ar15 and an sks for anyone who tries to take my guns away


good

9/18/2013 10:08:24 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

longbobby
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online now!


Quote from douggiem:
The 1934 National Firearms Act started it actually since it was the first national firearm restriction to apply to everyone unlike the earlier Jim Crow laws that tried to prevent just blacks from owning firearms.
==========================================

National Firearms Act of 1934

The first attempt at federal gun-control legislation, the National Firearms Act (NFA) only covered two specific types of guns: machine guns and short-barrel firearms, including sawed-off shotguns. It did not attempt to ban either weapon, but merely to impose a tax on any transfers of such weapons. Despite these limitations, it led to a precedent-setting U.S. Supreme Court decision.

In the 1930s, the United States faced a run of much-publicized gangster violence, led by such well-known criminals as John Dillinger, al capone, Baby Face Nelson, and Bonnie and Clyde. The sensationalistic aspect of their crimes convinced the administration of President franklin d. roosevelt that something needed to be done to control the spread of weapons into the general population. U.S. Attorney General homer cummings and his staff began the process of drafting recommended legislation that would achieve this goal.Cummings and his staff quickly determined that, rather than ban weapons and run afoul of the Second Amendment, they would try to tax such weapons out of circulation. As originally proposed, the NFA covered a fairly broad range of weapons, but as passed by Congress, it's scope was narrowed to cover only "A shotgun or rifle having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length, or any other weapon, except a pistol or revolver, from which a shot is discharged by an explosive if such weapon is capable of being concealed on the person, or a machine gun."

The statute levied a $200 tax on each firearm defined as above, for any transfer involving the firearm. The tax was to be paid by the transferor, and to be represented by appropriate stamps to be provided by the commissioner. It was declared unlawful for anyone to sell or receive a firearm in violation of this section, and they could be fined $2,000 and imprisoned for up to five years for violating it.

While the $200 tax does not seem like much in current dollars, it represented a very large amount in 1934—in many cases the tax was more than the cost of the firearm itself. The act also required dealers of the listed firearms to register with the federal government, and also required for firearms sold before the effective date of the act, that "every person possessing a firearm shall register, with the collector of the district in which he resides, the number or other mark identifying such firearm, together with his name, address, place where such firearm is usually kept, and place of business or employment, and, if such person is other than a natural person, the name and home address of an executive officer thereof."

The NFA did not inspire as much controversy in 1934 as gun-control acts do today, in part because of the general public perception that crime was out of control and in part because anti-gun-control groups such as the National Rifle Association (NRA) did not have nearly the strength or Lobbying power they would later have. In fact, the NRA formed its legislative affairs division, a precursor to its powerful lobbying arm, in 1934 in belated response to the NFA. Nevertheless, the NFA did result in several lawsuits claiming the law was unconstitutional, one of which reached the Supreme Court.

In Miller v. United States, 307 U.S. 174, 59 S.Ct. 816, 83 L.Ed. 1206 (U.S.Ark. 1939), two men were charged with transferring a double barrel 12-gauge shotgun in violation of the NFA. A federal district court quashed the indictment, ruling that the NFA did indeed violate the Second Amendment. But the Supreme Court, in a unanimous decision, disagreed.

Writing for the court, Justice james mcreynolds famously dismissed the defendants case with this statement: "the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument." McReynolds added that "certainly it is not within Judicial Notice that this weapon is any part of the ordinary military equipment or that its use could contribute to the common defense." He also noted that many states had adopted gun-control laws over the years.

The NFA is still in force, codified in amended form at 26 USCA § 5801 et. seq. As the first federal gun-control legislation, it set the stage for all other federal Gun Control laws, and its legacy overshadows the scope of the law and the limited number of weapons to which it actually applied.

Further readings
Blodgett-Ford, Sayoko. "The Changing Meaning of the Right to Bear Arms." Seton Hall Constitutional Law Journal 6.

Heskin, Keersten. 1994. "Easier than Obtaining a Driver's License: The Federal Licensing of Gun Dealers." Florida Law Review 46 (December).

Nosanchuk, Mathew S. 2002. "The Embarrassing Interpretation of the Second Amendment." Northern Kentucky Law Review 29.
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The National Firearms Act of 1934 didn't actually restrict machine guns and sawed off shotguns from being bought, owned, or possessed...it just made them more expensive to buy.

Unlike the 1968 Gun control Act which DID restrict certain types of firearms from being bought, owned or possessed.

For example, importation of the German Walther PPK was banned under the new criteria for firearms as supposedly being too "short" and not having enough "height".


9/19/2013 9:27:43 AM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

douggiem
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (18,800)
Reading, PA
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I don't know about you but $200 in 1934 was a solid restriction for the average person who was barely able to eat with a roof over their head. It was the price of an automobile just for the tax. Adjusted for inflation it would be in the neighborhood of $15k - $20k in today's dollars.

Seems like a simple way to keep the vast majority from purchasing one while still being able to claim they aren't illegal.

Even if you don't see it as I see it you have to agree that it was in fact an infringement of the second amendment. Artificially inflating the price to a level above what a person can afford is little different then openly telling them they can't buy it.

Here is an example:
How about a home purchase tax of $1,000,000 for any home. You are still allowed to buy one but could you? Could anyone on here? And you can't complain about the price since for most of the life of the NFA the items you wanted to buy cost a small fraction of the tax. Only inflation made the tax somewhat reasonable today.

9/19/2013 9:37:51 AM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

douggiem
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (18,800)
Reading, PA
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I also must mention the 1986 machine gun restriction.

By 1986 through inflation many people were able to justify the tax cost and buy machine guns. The guns themselves were not much more then semi auto firearms on average.

The government saw that people were able to afford them again and decided to put a stop to it. The 1986 ban said machine guns made after 1986 could not be purchased by average citizens. They could only own what was registered in the NFA up until then.

That created a set supply of machine guns. Basic economic law says that if a supply is set and demand remains the same or increases the price will go up. So today, less then 20 years later, a machine gun auto sear for a HK machine gun(which is what is registered) that cost $200 or less in 1986 now costs $12,000.

Restriction by price, plain and simple. If they didn't want to restrict them they never would have made the 1986 ban. It is a back door restriction that by a play of words a court views as legal since they aren't ALL restricted.

9/19/2013 9:48:11 AM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

jrbogie1949
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (13,210)
Oxnard, CA
66, joined Mar. 2009


1) do you have the right to defend yourself?

ABSOLUTELY

2) is your personal safety your personal responsibility

ABSOLUTELY

3) does a gun make it easier to defend yourself.

not in the least.

4) are some guns more effective than others for the purpose of self defense?

no. i feel that i have protected myself and my family and friends adequately without firearms of any sort and with no risk of accidental gun incidents. you might say i think the fewer guns in my home the safer the home.

5) should laws apply to the government the same way they apply to civilians.

of course.

9/19/2013 9:50:44 AM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

progrocknic
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (13,805)
Mount Arlington, NJ
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Quote from jrbogie1949:
1) do you have the right to defend yourself?

ABSOLUTELY

2) is your personal safety your personal responsibility

ABSOLUTELY

3) does a gun make it easier to defend yourself.

not in the least.

4) are some guns more effective than others for the purpose of self defense?

no. i feel that i have protected myself and my family and friends adequately without firearms of any sort and with no risk of accidental gun incidents. you might say i think the fewer guns in my home the safer the home.

5) should laws apply to the government the same way they apply to civilians.

of course.


I pretty much agree with all these answers. Except number 3. I would say in certain situations, gun could make self defense easier. But for the most part I agree.

9/19/2013 10:10:28 AM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
illuminati_13
Over 2,000 Posts (3,036)
Louisville, KY
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So jr, if we passed a law banning assault weapons and high capacity magazines, should it apply to the government?

9/19/2013 10:32:56 AM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

douggiem
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Quote from jrbogie1949:
1) do you have the right to defend yourself?

ABSOLUTELY

2) is your personal safety your personal responsibility

ABSOLUTELY

3) does a gun make it easier to defend yourself.

not in the least.

4) are some guns more effective than others for the purpose of self defense?

no. i feel that i have protected myself and my family and friends adequately without firearms of any sort and with no risk of accidental gun incidents. you might say i think the fewer guns in my home the safer the home.

5) should laws apply to the government the same way they apply to civilians.

of course.


Why even respond to the questions if you are just going to blatantly lie?

You can't possibly claim that guns make committing a crime easier on one hand and then say that same gun doesn't make protecting ones self easier on the other unless you don't have hands.

Do you not have hands or are you lying?

9/19/2013 10:40:57 AM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

douggiem
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The White House claims a gun free zone is enough to protect citizens yet they rufused the WH petition to just have mandatory gun free zones around the president which would remove the need for armed guards for the president.

I thought this government was of, by and for the people? That means the president is a citizen who is working for the people. He is our employee. How is a single employee more important then 300,000,000 employers? Seems the opposite of "of, by and for" to me.

9/19/2013 3:20:46 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
illuminati_13
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Quote from douggiem:
The White House claims a gun free zone is enough to protect citizens yet they rufused the WH petition to just have mandatory gun free zones around the president which would remove the need for armed guards for the president.

I thought this government was of, by and for the people? That means the president is a citizen who is working for the people. He is our employee. How is a single employee more important then 300,000,000 employers? Seems the opposite of "of, by and for" to me.
according to our anti gunner buddies, the white house needs guns to protect the politicians, but we dont need guns to protect ourselves and our children.

9/19/2013 4:33:26 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
fallguy02379
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Quote from illuminati_13:
according to our anti gunner buddies, the white house needs guns to protect the politicians, but we dont need guns to protect ourselves and our children.


you keep on saying pro gun control is the same as anti-gun

we understand how confusing that can be for some people...........far from the case though

the Supreme Court ruled that the federal government and the states could limit any weapon types not having a “reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia”

why did our forefathers use such a phrase???


i know some are easily confused with when the word REGULATE is used.........not sure why some think it means ban

9/19/2013 4:35:03 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
illuminati_13
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Show me the law that gives the supreme court the power of judicial review.

9/19/2013 4:44:39 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
fallguy02379
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Quote from illuminati_13:
Show me the law that gives the supreme court the power of judicial review.


again side stepping the question..........

why do you think our forefathers mentioned............ well regulated militia?

curious on your take..

9/19/2013 4:47:19 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
illuminati_13
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Quote from fallguy02379:
again side stepping the question..........

why do you think our forefathers mentioned............ well regulated militia?

curious on your take..
why do you think they mentioned "the people"? Do you know what the militia was back then? It was everybody. Every single able bodied man.

9/19/2013 5:09:46 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
fallguy02379
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see, i knew you couldn't answer a question without asking a question,lol

that is teh only reason i chuckled when i called you a troll , it wasn't the questions you asked, it was at how you never seem to answer anybody else

9/19/2013 5:12:19 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
illuminati_13
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My questions there were rhetorical. the answer to your question was: back then every citizen was part of the militia. It says the right of the people. The militia is the people. Get it now?

9/19/2013 6:03:04 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
fallguy02379
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back then every citizen was part of the militia. It says the right of the people. The militia is the people. Get it now?
-================================================

yup i got it....key phrase being every citizen was part of a militia,

A militia /m?'l???/,[1] generally refers to an army or other fighting force that is composed of non-professional fighters; citizens of a nation or subjects of a state or government that can be called upon to enter a combat situation, as opposed to a professional force of regular soldiers or, historically, members of the fighting nobility.

i am sure today's gang members can be called upon if necessary, so why should the law hassle them at all?

9/19/2013 6:24:50 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

douggiem
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Every citizen of age and ability is part of the militia now if they want to be. Having a militia is a right just like owning firearms. The right didnt disappear with time.

9/19/2013 6:27:46 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

douggiem
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Quote from illuminati_13:
according to our anti gunner buddies, the white house needs guns to protect the politicians, but we dont need guns to protect ourselves and our children.


According to the Constitution the politicians are our employees and the citizens ARE the country. That means the safety of the citizens is more important then the safety of the politicians.

It sounds like they don't understand the simple words the Constitution is written in or they are just plain hipocrites.

9/19/2013 6:38:07 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from illuminati_13:
So jr, if we passed a law banning assault weapons and high capacity magazines, should it apply to the government?


no. just as police officers are authorized to carry a badge and citizens are not assault weapons could be banned to citizens and not law enforcement. laws apply to government and the populous as each law states. police are allowed to exceed the speed limit while giving chace, for instance. and of course laws restricting citizens from optaining nuclear weapons do not apply to the government. nor should they. this is really not that difficult.

9/19/2013 6:41:06 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from illuminati_13:
according to our anti gunner buddies, the white house needs guns to protect the politicians, but we dont need guns to protect ourselves and our children.


you do understand that one who advocates gun restrictions is not necessarily an 'anti gunner, do you not?

9/19/2013 6:49:21 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from illuminati_13:
My questions there were rhetorical. the answer to your question was: back then every citizen was part of the militia. It says the right of the people. The militia is the people. Get it now?


dead wrong. before it said 'the right of the people' in the 2nd amendment or even discussed this was written in article one of the constitution as a power delegated to congress;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

the militia is not the people but whomever the congress has provided for organizing, arming, and disciplining as the militia. get it now?

9/19/2013 6:49:36 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

douggiem
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Quote from jrbogie1949:
no. just as police officers are authorized to carry a badge and citizens are not assault weapons could be banned to citizens and not law enforcement. laws apply to government and the populous as each law states. police are allowed to exceed the speed limit while giving chace, for instance. and of course laws restricting citizens from optaining nuclear weapons do not apply to the government. nor should they. this is really not that difficult.


A nuclear weapon isn't a firearm dumbass. That is the most ignorant argument that idiots keep using I keep hearing from dip ship liberals.

Hey why not a fighter jet?

Why not a tank?

Why not an aircraft carrier?

Because they aren't firearms nutjob!

9/19/2013 6:53:32 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
fallguy02379
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Quote from jrbogie1949:
you do understand that one who advocates gun restrictions is not necessarily an 'anti gunner, do you not?



Some how it doesn't matter to some, you mention the word restriction and they only assume it will lead to a ban.

A compromise of any kind in their minds only means a defeat.

9/19/2013 6:59:03 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from douggiem:
A nuclear weapon isn't a firearm dumbass. That is the most ignorant argument that idiots keep using I keep hearing from dip ship liberals.

Hey why not a fighter jet?

Why not a tank?

Why not an aircraft carrier?

Because they aren't firearms nutjob!


the word firearm, gun, pistol, rifle, bazooka, fighter jet, crossbow or any variation of a particulari weapon of any sort is mentioned anywhere in the constitution or any of the amendments.

9/19/2013 7:00:16 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from fallguy02379:
Some how it doesn't matter to some, you mention the word restriction and they only assume it will lead to a ban.

A compromise of any kind in their minds only means a defeat.


sure. for some any idea other than their own is radical.

9/19/2013 7:04:42 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
illuminati_13
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Havent we compromised enough? We do background checks. We pay outrageous fees for "nfa" weapons. We go through special training to get access to nfa weapons. We allow you to force us to ask the governments permission to carry a gun. We even pay a fee for that. What more do you people want? Magazine limits? To ban certain rifles? The question we have is; why the hell should we?

As far as the question i asked you jr:
So, you believe the government should have more physical killing power than the people? (In the aspect of firearms)

9/19/2013 7:05:08 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

jrbogie1949
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nowhere in the constitution does it state; 'the rights of the people to keep and bear FIREARMS shall not be infringed.' and obviously it doesn't say that government cannot enact laws restricting firearms.

9/19/2013 7:06:19 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
illuminati_13
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An when something else happebs that gets you guys all emotional, then what freedom will you want to take away?
if you support more gun control, you do support an all out ban because that is the only place this agenda is headed.

9/19/2013 7:07:33 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
illuminati_13
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Exactly. Some are willing to give up rights, others arent. Unfortunately the rational side of society is overwhelmed by the emotional side.

9/19/2013 7:10:15 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from illuminati_13:
Havent we compromised enough? We do background checks. We pay outrageous fees for "nfa" weapons. We go through special training to get access to nfa weapons. We allow you to force us to ask the governments permission to carry a gun. We even pay a fee for that. What more do you people want? Magazine limits? To ban certain rifles? The question we have is; why the hell should we?

As far as the question i asked you jr:
So, you believe the government should have more physical killing power than the people? (In the aspect of firearms)


government is a broad term. but i'll try to elaborate for you. teachers should not bear assault rifles. police should. a toll bridge worker should not be issued a grenade launcher. a marine should be. an faa facilities test pilot should not be flying and f22. etc., etc., etc., all of these government employees should be issued gear and materials as appropriate to thier jobs.

9/19/2013 7:11:33 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from illuminati_13:
An when something else happebs that gets you guys all emotional, then what freedom will you want to take away?
if you support more gun control, you do support an all out ban because that is the only place this agenda is headed.


you'd do best understanding what others are saying by reading their words, not yours.

9/19/2013 7:12:41 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
illuminati_13
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Should teachers have the option.of carrying a handgun?

9/19/2013 7:19:44 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from illuminati_13:
Havent we compromised enough? We do background checks. We pay outrageous fees for "nfa" weapons. We go through special training to get access to nfa weapons. We allow you to force us to ask the governments permission to carry a gun. We even pay a fee for that. What more do you people want? Magazine limits? To ban certain rifles? The question we have is; why the hell should we?)


i've never been so inconvenienced? but then i don't want to own a firearm. i went through much more inconvenience to become an airline transport pilot than you will ever go through to get to shoot your pistol. laws are wierd huh? if i can buy a plane i should just be able to go fly the contraption without the gument bulshit requirement for training and such. it's a conspiracy, thats what it is.

9/19/2013 7:27:47 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from illuminati_13:
Should teachers have the option.of carrying a handgun?


you're asking the wrong guy. i'm not advocating gun control. i simply answered your questions. were i a policymaker i would assess the need for teachers with guns using whatever resources available to me. but i'm not a policy maker, don't give a rats a** about guns and could care less if people are inconvenienced by strict gun laws. i can read the second amendment as well as anybody, same with the constitution, and i can read case law regarding such. i don't opine on what the amendment means because my opinion matters not a f**king bit. your's doesn't either but it doesn't seem to matter to you that the courts are the only ones empowered to render such an opinion. so keep it up. opine to your heart's content.

9/19/2013 7:29:44 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
fallguy02379
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Quote from illuminati_13:
An when something else happebs that gets you guys all emotional, then what freedom will you want to take away?
if you support more gun control, you do support an all out ban because that is the only place this agenda is headed.


see, gun control does equal a ban in some minds.

that is why it is waste of time debating gun control with some people.

fear of an all out ban leaves no room for any type of regulations.

we keep on hearing about the Constitution and our right to bear arms yet,our freedoms are being taken away from those who skirt around the current gun laws.

9/19/2013 7:31:22 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
illuminati_13
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Ok fallguy, if you dont want an.all.out ban, what do you want?

9/19/2013 7:40:54 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
fallguy02379
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Quote from illuminati_13:
Ok fallguy, if you dont want an.all.out ban, what do you want?


ends how straw buyers operate

classify guns and classify potential owners


i don't want a novice owning an expert rated weapon, let them earn that right.all guns should be registered and accounted for

we all know that there were always be a black market anyways

9/19/2013 7:47:18 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from illuminati_13:
Ok fallguy, if you dont want an.all.out ban, what do you want?


none of your original five questions mentioned a ban, all out or otherwise. you continue to jump from one topic to the next. it's your thread, of course, so highjack it as you wish but geez, from self defence to teachers with guns and now all out bans????

9/19/2013 8:11:35 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
illuminati_13
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Admitedly, jr, the last question was leading up to me asking "should a ban on certain guns apply to.government also?"

9/19/2013 8:13:35 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
illuminati_13
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There would have to be a specific law in place stating that the government could never under any circumstances confiscate guns for me to be comfortable with registration.

You want to fix straw purchases? Id compromise there by lowering the handgun age to 18.

9/19/2013 8:42:40 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from illuminati_13:
Admitedly, jr, the last question was leading up to me asking "should a ban on certain guns apply to.government also?"


you don't seem well versed on law. laws apply variously to various people. i can think of many laws the begin with something such as, 'no person other than those engaged in law enforcement duties.......' blah blah blah. i can read the constitution and see that no person other than a congressman can vote for or against a declaration of war. a law should apply to those who it is intended to apply to. none of this is really as difficult as you're making it for yourself.

9/19/2013 8:44:16 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from illuminati_13:
There would have to be a specific law in place stating that the government could never under any circumstances confiscate guns for me to be comfortable with registration.

You want to fix straw purchases? Id compromise there by lowering the handgun age to 18.

.
nobody's asking you to be comfortable with registration. just obey the law or understand the consequences. simple really.

9/19/2013 8:44:19 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

tertium
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i remember back in 1992 G. Gordon Liddy denounced "the gun grabbers in Congress"!

9/19/2013 8:47:00 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

jrbogie1949
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Quote from tertium:
i remember back in 1992 G. Gordon Liddy denounced "the gun grabbers in Congress"!


and how many guns have been grabbed in those twenty one years? y2k happened too.

9/19/2013 9:13:09 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
fallguy02379
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At least we. Both know you are a waste of my time

Wondering how you reacted to the. New smoking laws........heard the government banned smoking



[Edited 9/19/2013 9:14:35 PM ]

9/19/2013 9:27:07 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

douggiem
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Quote from jrbogie1949:
the word firearm, gun, pistol, rifle, bazooka, fighter jet, crossbow or any variation of a particulari weapon of any sort is mentioned anywhere in the constitution or any of the amendments.


The Constitution says "arms". The arms in use at the time were firearms, not sticks, not stones, not swords or knives.

If you are so ignorant to not understand that then they didn't mean free speech or voting for you, it was just for me and the people I say.

9/19/2013 10:43:40 PM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  

longbobby
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online now!


MASS VIOLENCE LINKED TO PRESCRIPTION PSYCHIATRIC MEDICATIONS



UPDATE: It has now been confirmed that the DC shooter, Aaron Alexis, was on at least one prescription anti-depressant, Trazadone, which includes in the list of adverse reactions panic, suicide, and violence.

The gun grabbers are still trying to blame guns for the shooting at the Washington Navy Yard, and screaming how much better the world would be without guns (unless you are a Mexican drug runner or a hired mercenary in Syria, of course). Funny how when there is a mass bombing, they blame the bomber, but when there is a mass shooting, they blame the guns. But behind most of these acts of senseless violence lies a real culprit, one being protected by the US Government and the corporate media because the culprit is profitable, and profits come ahead of people in these United States.

But the fact is that nobody can identify any motive for Aaron to do what he did, which leaves adverse reaction to prescription anti-depressants as the most likely cause.

Banning guns will not stop this violence. People on SSRIs have committed murders with cars, baseball bats, kitchen knives, and household tools like hammers.

Please share this everywhere you see people blogging about Aaron Alexis and how guns "must" be banned!



9/20/2013 12:23:01 AM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
fallguy02379
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Quote from verat:
yes i agree it is a waste of time to discuss guns with some people.

thats why i dont bother talking to you about them


we both agree, its a waste of my time discussing such an issue with you

9/28/2013 1:19:34 AM Questions for anti-gunners (or those that want gun control)  
illuminati_13
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If you are pro gun control, then you are pro tyranny.