Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt

10/3/2013 8:23:44 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
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10/3/2013 10:22:03 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	Why anybody would believe Ron Wyatt and his Chariots of Liar is beyond me - talk about last gasp belief....... Bring me my chariots of fire! We will not cease from mental fight Nor shall his Word sleep in our hands Till we have swept ignorance From all the worlds lands. [Edited 10/3/2013 10:22:29 PM ]
10/4/2013 2:43:36 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	Letter from Thomas Fenner]/b] Subject: RON WYATT AND NOAH'S ARK Date: Monday, October 07, 1996 11:14 PM Dear reader: It has come to my attention that a Mr. Ron Wyatt from Tennessee has been making misleading statements regarding my role and beliefs in the so-called Ark of Noah at Uzen Gili while trying to raise money for his so-called research. I traveled to Turkey in 1985 and 1987 to perform ground penetrating radar studies on the "boat shaped object" on Judi Dagi, near the village of Uzen Gili, 20 miles from Mt Ararat. Due to political unrest and the imposition of martial law, the expedition team, including ABC 20/20, was hole up in Dogubayazit and could not get on the site. After 2 weeks we returned to the US. A pre-condition I set forth for my future involvement in this project was that Mr. Wyatt not attend any subsequent mission due to his actions that were counterproductive to our relationship with the local people (Kurdish) and the Turkish Army. In 1986 Mr. Wyatt visited my office with the local TV station and his own video camera with data allegedly acquired at the sight. A minimal amount of radar data that was covertly acquired to avoid detection by the Turkish Army and presented to me. This data was acquired on a radar system he borrowed from a baking company that he convinced to purchase for his work. I made certain statements about this data that supported the possibility that the boat shaped object had some sort of internal structure. In 1987 I returned to Turkey and did a methodical and complete ground penetrating radar study of the entire site. The first order of business was to duplicate Wyatt's results to support his conclusions. An inordinate amount of time (1.5 out of 3 days of intensive work) was spent trying to duplicate Wyatt's findings. We were unable to do so. The only scientific conclusion that can be made was that the original data was erroneous. At best incompetence or, at worst fabrication of the data are the only possible explanations. Given Mr. Wyatt had no working knowledge on how to operate the system nor interpret the radar data (I tried to train him) and, my previous experience with him in Turkey, I concluded it was the former and not the latter. ( A Christian must always give the benefit of doubt.) My radar work showed some structure on part of the site which was subsequently confirmed to be bedrock with seismic instrumentation used by Dr. John Baumgardner. Drilling at the site in 1989 also produced no evidence that this "object" was anything other than a natural geologic formation. Since no evidence was found that Judi Dagi is the site of the Ark of Noah all Christian researchers concluded, with great disappointment, that this could not be the site. Therefore any statements attributed to me as supporting the conclusion that Noah's Ark has been found are erroneous, misleading and taken out of context. Furthermore my statements should not be considered as relevant to your decision to provide financial support for any future work at this site. I hope this message finally and unequivocally clarifies my position on the discovery of the Ark of Noah at Uzen Gili. Sincerely, Thomas Fenner Geophysicist Source: http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/Fenner.html Follow the money...
10/4/2013 2:51:45 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	Repost the above bolding got messed up Letter from Thomas Fenner Subject: RON WYATT AND NOAH'S ARK Date: Monday, October 07, 1996 11:14 PM Dear reader: It has come to my attention that a Mr. Ron Wyatt from Tennessee has been making misleading statements regarding my role and beliefs in the so-called Ark of Noah at Uzen Gili while trying to raise money for his so-called research. I traveled to Turkey in 1985 and 1987 to perform ground penetrating radar studies on the "boat shaped object" on Judi Dagi, near the village of Uzen Gili, 20 miles from Mt Ararat. Due to political unrest and the imposition of martial law, the expedition team, including ABC 20/20, was hole up in Dogubayazit and could not get on the site. After 2 weeks we returned to the US. A pre-condition I set forth for my future involvement in this project was that Mr. Wyatt not attend any subsequent mission due to his actions that were counterproductive to our relationship with the local people (Kurdish) and the Turkish Army. In 1986 Mr. Wyatt visited my office with the local TV station and his own video camera with data allegedly acquired at the sight. A minimal amount of radar data that was covertly acquired to avoid detection by the Turkish Army and presented to me. This data was acquired on a radar system he borrowed from a baking company that he convinced to purchase for his work. I made certain statements about this data that supported the possibility that the boat shaped object had some sort of internal structure. In 1987 I returned to Turkey and did a methodical and complete ground penetrating radar study of the entire site. The first order of business was to duplicate Wyatt's results to support his conclusions. An inordinate amount of time (1.5 out of 3 days of intensive work) was spent trying to duplicate Wyatt's findings. We were unable to do so. The only scientific conclusion that can be made was that the original data was erroneous. At best incompetence or, at worst fabrication of the data are the only possible explanations. Given Mr. Wyatt had no working knowledge on how to operate the system nor interpret the radar data (I tried to train him) and, my previous experience with him in Turkey, I concluded it was the former and not the latter. ( A Christian must always give the benefit of doubt.) My radar work showed some structure on part of the site which was subsequently confirmed to be bedrock with seismic instrumentation used by Dr. John Baumgardner. Drilling at the site in 1989 also produced no evidence that this "object" was anything other than a natural geologic formation. Since no evidence was found that Judi Dagi is the site of the Ark of Noah all Christian researchers concluded, with great disappointment, that this could not be the site. Therefore any statements attributed to me as supporting the conclusion that Noah's Ark has been found are erroneous, misleading and taken out of context. Furthermore my statements should not be considered as relevant to your decision to provide financial support for any future work at this site. I hope this message finally and unequivocally clarifies my position on the discovery of the Ark of Noah at Uzen Gili. Sincerely, Thomas Fenner Geophysicist Source: http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/Fenner.html Follow the money...
10/4/2013 8:00:41 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 51, joined Feb. 2009	Shalom, if you have stirred up a wasps nest you must be doing something good. I can be quoted on the following: A. Ron Wyatt has never received a license from the IAA to excavate here in Jerusalem. If he has then let him produce a license for his digs and surveys in Jerusalem, the Judean Desert, Mt. Sinai etc. B. Finding a coin at the so called Mt. Sinai. This shows the total ignorance of RW and his public who want to believe rather than to know! Coins were not around at the times of Moses, even an amateur archaeologist should know this simple fact!!! There are so many so called Mt. Sinais that even the Jews do not know where it is located. Personally I believe that it is simply a literary invention which is why it will never be found. (Comment/Correction: The preceding quote about coins has been made without any proof and seems to be absolute . Is he saying there was no coins by this time in history? Joe Zias, Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology, Israel Antiquities Authority, POB 586, Jerusalem, Tel. 972 2 292624. Added 1/29/06) C. As for the chariot wheel, a bluff, produce it, on what was the dating made? Saw it in the video, it looks like a hoax. If it exists date it in a C-14 lab. As a amateur arch. which he claims to be he should know of many. D. The Noah's ark discovery has been discredited. If it is true, and I saw the tape, show lab reports on the C-14 lab report. E. I personally read the junk about the blood of Christ which is totally absurd. I immediately sent a fax to RW as I knew he was bluffing asking for a) copy and address of the lab report and b) sample for some independent testing which we would do. As of yet we have not received any reply, I sent a colleague who is a professor of NT to Tenn. to see what was up and the person in charge of the museum there said that we in the IAA are a bunch of non-believers and they weren't interested in providing such info. to us. F. I saw his video which is an embarrassment to the world of arch. The only people who can believe this junk is one who has never studied arch. As for the impt. archaeologists he mentions in his reports. I have never heard of one of them after 25 yrs in the profession. As for the James Irwin, what are his credentials regarding the world of Biblical Arch. Did he have a BA in the profession, he was conned into believing this as have many others who wish to believe rather than to know. G. Has RW ever had any of his impt. so called discoveries published in a peer reviewed journal? If so why not? H. Lastly if RW can supply us with the lab report on the so called blood of Jesus along with a sample for independent testing which shows 24 chromosomes I will then be led along the road to Damascus. Otherwise he is bluffing. Joe Zias Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology Israel Antiquities Authority POB 586, Jerusalem Tel. 972 2 292624
10/4/2013 11:08:00 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	I suppose Wyatt gets a thumbs from our detractors for lying for Jesus.......
10/6/2013 2:20:22 AM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 51, joined Feb. 2009	Quote from mindya: I suppose Wyatt gets a thumbs from our detractors for lying for Jesus....... They are quite fond of the' lying for Jesus strategy' that serves as a hindrance when spreading the Gospel.
10/6/2013 2:52:15 AM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 51, joined Feb. 2009	****Please note that neither myself nor mindya has claimed that parting of the Red Sea was wrong.This thread is about Ron Wyatt, who had been telling his tales of discovering Noah's Ark, the chariots of Pharaoh, the pillars of Solomon, the true Mt. Sinai, the tomb of the Patriarchs, Sodom & Gomorrah, the place of Christ's crucifixion, and the Ark of the Covenant for many years, has been documented as an archaeological fraud. Both former "friends" as well as professional archaeologists in his own denominations (Seventh- Day Adventist) and historians have published detailed refutations of all of his "discoveries." I know that this is quite obvious when reading over here but simple word comprehension is a difficult task for my critics of the forum and so they are misrepresenting my posts once again.
10/6/2013 8:45:14 AM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	I just saw the ding bats new straw man thread - we have never stated that the flood did not happen neither did we state the Red Sea was never parted. Yer right about lack of reading comprehension - it must be that Right Wing Ding Low IQ rearing it's ugly head again. More examples to verify the results of that study they all object to...
10/6/2013 10:43:20 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	I see we have the straw man at it again with his whiny thread making. Get the guy some treatment somebody........
10/7/2013 9:21:17 AM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	A Letter from Lorence G. Collins Department of Geological Sciences California State University Northridge 18111 Nordhoff Street Northridge, CA 91330-8266 October 15, 1996 Mr. Gary Amirault Tentmaker HCR Box 6D Hermann, MO 65041 Dear Gary, As an addition to your web site which is entitled: "Wyatt Archaeological Research Fraud Documentation," I wish to report an article which has been recently published. The reference is: Collins, L. G. and Fasold, D. F., 1996, Bogus "Noah's Ark" from Turkey Exposed as a Common Geologic Structure. Journal of Geoscience Education, v. 44, p. 439-444. In this article David Fasold and I report aerial photography analyses of the supposed ark structure and the surrounding terrain, chemical (electron-microprobe) analyses of the supposed iron bracket in the ark structure (as obtained by John Baumgardner), chemical analysis of a drogue stone, optical studies of thin sections of rocks in the ark structure, of the supposed iron bracket, and of a drogue stone, and thin-section studies of the ribbed-rock interpreted by Ron Wyatt as fossilized reeds. These studies all show that the ark structure is a natural rock formation composed of layers of volcanic boulders and clay and that the drogue stones and ribbed rock are volcanic or metavolcanic rocks that could not have been transported to the site in Turkey from Mesopotamia. There is no evidence of any fossilized wood or any other man-made artifact. The supposed iron bracket is oxidized iron (limonite or goethite) produced by weathering of titaniferous magnetite which naturally occurs in the volcanic rocks or in eroded sediments derived from such volcanic rocks. The boat-like shape of the structure can be explained as resulting from natural folding of layers consisting of former stream-transported sediments locally containing abundant volcanic boulders and pebbles and from subsequent erosion. In short, none of Ron Wyatt's claims that this rock structure is a fossilized remnant of Noah's Ark has any merit. Sincerely, Lorence G. Collins Professor of Geology (emeritus) http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/CollinsLetter.html Follow the money...
10/7/2013 9:44:54 AM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
jla3767 Brookville, PA 48, joined Oct. 2012	Quote from mindya: I just saw the ding bats new straw man thread - we have never stated that the flood did not happen neither did we state the Red Sea was never parted. Yer right about lack of reading comprehension - it must be that Right Wing Ding Low IQ rearing it's ugly head again. More examples to verify the results of that study they all object to... I have a question you mention Right Wing Ding Low IQ does this mean you are a left wing leaning person
10/7/2013 7:34:23 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	Quote from jla3767: I have a question you mention Right Wing Ding Low IQ does this mean you are a left wing leaning person I'm middle of the road really but I would lean somewhat to the left on social issues such as universal health care and placing restraints on unbridled capitalism.
10/7/2013 9:09:52 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
jla3767 Brookville, PA 48, joined Oct. 2012	thanks for answering my question ,,,, sorry for derailing this thread but I must ask universal healthcare is not a good thing for instance here in Pa. and I imagine other states are the same way. Nobody could be turned away at a community hospital to begin with and there are grants and funds to pay for bills if the person sick could not pay also they could make a payment as low as 1 dollar a month. State law hospital can not refuse and can not turn you into collection cause said person is making a effort to pay bill. So in a sense U.S. had already universal healthcare just without the government putting their nose in where it does not belong JMO
10/9/2013 7:49:17 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 51, joined Feb. 2009	Quote from casheyesblond: Ron Wyatt, who has been telling his tales of discovering Noah's Ark, the chariots of Pharaoh, the pillars of Solomon, the true Mt. Sinai, the tomb of the Patriarchs, Sodom & Gomorrah, the place of Christ's crucifixion, and the Ark of the Covenant for many years, has been documented as an archaeological fraud. Both former "friends" as well as professional archaeologists in his own denomination (Seventh- Day Adventist) have published detailed refutations of all of his "discoveries." Those interested in the documentation against Wyatt,you can request a free packet of papers by archaeologists in Wyatt's denomination from: Dr. David Merling, Associate Director & Curator, Institute of Archaeology, Horn Archaeological Museum, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, MI 49104-0990. Wyatt’s alleged “discoveries,” none of which have ever been verified by legitimate archeologists. Wyatt always seemed to get a glimpse of something and then it promptly vanishes, like the gilded wheel, or the Phoenician style column found on the Saudi coastline and which contained in Phoenician letters (Archaic Hebrew) the words: Mizraim (Egypt ); Solomon; Edom; death; Pharaoh; Moses; and Yahweh; or “the Blood of Christ” on the “Judgment Seat” beneath the Temple site in Jerusalem which only Wyatt saw. Other evidence/claims of Wyatt likewise vanish after closer examination. Even those who at first supported his claims to have found Noah’s ark no longer believed him after examining the evidence at the site further, including young-earth creationists belonging to major young-earth organizations. And his writings on biblical archaeology are such extreme flights of fancy that even many creationist debaters dismiss them as wild imaginings. *******AND ATTENTION ALL READERS: In regard to alleged chariot wheels of the Exodus claimed by Ron Wyatt and his defenders in this forum,there has never been made available to any archaeologists, Bible-believing or otherwise !!!!! The Bible does not say we should “believe all things,” but rather that we should “prove all things” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).
10/9/2013 7:53:43 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 51, joined Feb. 2009	I repeat,in regard to the alleged chariot wheels,did Wyatt ever bring one of these out of the water? Wyatt and his defenders claim so, but no independent peer-reviewed examination by archaeologists and other specialists was ever conducted and published. So here’s a verse for all those who think that “lying for Jesus” is a good idea; Proverbs 12:22, The LORD detests lying lips, but he delights in men who are truthful.
10/9/2013 11:39:31 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	People would rather believe lies to support bad theology rather accept valid science and real theology - non-Christians look at that and just shake their heads - they are driven right into the arms of a "Richard Dawkins" or other critic. Quote from casheyesblond: Ron Wyatt, who has been telling his tales of discovering Noah's Ark, the chariots of Pharaoh, the pillars of Solomon, the true Mt. Sinai, the tomb of the Patriarchs, Sodom & Gomorrah, the place of Christ's crucifixion, and the Ark of the Covenant for many years, has been documented as an archaeological fraud. Both former "friends" as well as professional archaeologists in his own denomination (Seventh- Day Adventist) have published detailed refutations of all of his "discoveries." Those interested in the documentation against Wyatt,you can request a free packet of papers by archaeologists in Wyatt's denomination from: Dr. David Merling, Associate Director & Curator, Institute of Archaeology, Horn Archaeological Museum, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, MI 49104-0990.
10/10/2013 10:24:33 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	Letter from Thomas Fenner Subject: RON WYATT AND NOAH'S ARK Date: Monday, October 07, 1996 11:14 PM Dear reader: It has come to my attention that a Mr. Ron Wyatt from Tennessee has been making misleading statements regarding my role and beliefs in the so-called Ark of Noah at Uzen Gili while trying to raise money for his so-called research. I traveled to Turkey in 1985 and 1987 to perform ground penetrating radar studies on the "boat shaped object" on Judi Dagi, near the village of Uzen Gili, 20 miles from Mt Ararat. Due to political unrest and the imposition of martial law, the expedition team, including ABC 20/20, was hole up in Dogubayazit and could not get on the site. After 2 weeks we returned to the US. A pre-condition I set forth for my future involvement in this project was that Mr. Wyatt not attend any subsequent mission due to his actions that were counterproductive to our relationship with the local people (Kurdish) and the Turkish Army. In 1986 Mr. Wyatt visited my office with the local TV station and his own video camera with data allegedly acquired at the sight. A minimal amount of radar data that was covertly acquired to avoid detection by the Turkish Army and presented to me. This data was acquired on a radar system he borrowed from a baking company that he convinced to purchase for his work. I made certain statements about this data that supported the possibility that the boat shaped object had some sort of internal structure. In 1987 I returned to Turkey and did a methodical and complete ground penetrating radar study of the entire site. The first order of business was to duplicate Wyatt's results to support his conclusions. An inordinate amount of time (1.5 out of 3 days of intensive work) was spent trying to duplicate Wyatt's findings. We were unable to do so. The only scientific conclusion that can be made was that the original data was erroneous. At best incompetence or, at worst fabrication of the data are the only possible explanations. Given Mr. Wyatt had no working knowledge on how to operate the system nor interpret the radar data (I tried to train him) and, my previous experience with him in Turkey, I concluded it was the former and not the latter. ( A Christian must always give the benefit of doubt.) My radar work showed some structure on part of the site which was subsequently confirmed to be bedrock with seismic instrumentation used by Dr. John Baumgardner. Drilling at the site in 1989 also produced no evidence that this "object" was anything other than a natural geologic formation. Since no evidence was found that Judi Dagi is the site of the Ark of Noah all Christian researchers concluded, with great disappointment, that this could not be the site. Therefore any statements attributed to me as supporting the conclusion that Noah's Ark has been found are erroneous, misleading and taken out of context. Furthermore my statements should not be considered as relevant to your decision to provide financial support for any future work at this site. I hope this message finally and unequivocally clarifies my position on the discovery of the Ark of Noah at Uzen Gili. Sincerely, Thomas Fenner Geophysicist Source: http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/Fenner.html Follow the money..
10/10/2013 10:38:27 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 51, joined Feb. 2009	Quote from mindya: People would rather believe lies to support bad theology rather accept valid science and real theology - non-Christians look at that and just shake their heads - they are driven right into the arms of a "Richard Dawkins" or other critic. Indeed,serves as a hindrance when spreading the Gospel. Quote from mindya: Letter from Thomas Fenner Subject: RON WYATT AND NOAH'S ARK Date: Monday, October 07, 1996 11:14 PM Dear reader: It has come to my attention that a Mr. Ron Wyatt from Tennessee has been making misleading statements regarding my role and beliefs in the so-called Ark of Noah at Uzen Gili while trying to raise money for his so-called research. I traveled to Turkey in 1985 and 1987 to perform ground penetrating radar studies on the "boat shaped object" on Judi Dagi, near the village of Uzen Gili, 20 miles from Mt Ararat. Due to political unrest and the imposition of martial law, the expedition team, including ABC 20/20, was hole up in Dogubayazit and could not get on the site. After 2 weeks we returned to the US. A pre-condition I set forth for my future involvement in this project was that Mr. Wyatt not attend any subsequent mission due to his actions that were counterproductive to our relationship with the local people (Kurdish) and the Turkish Army. In 1986 Mr. Wyatt visited my office with the local TV station and his own video camera with data allegedly acquired at the sight. A minimal amount of radar data that was covertly acquired to avoid detection by the Turkish Army and presented to me. This data was acquired on a radar system he borrowed from a baking company that he convinced to purchase for his work. I made certain statements about this data that supported the possibility that the boat shaped object had some sort of internal structure. In 1987 I returned to Turkey and did a methodical and complete ground penetrating radar study of the entire site. The first order of business was to duplicate Wyatt's results to support his conclusions. An inordinate amount of time (1.5 out of 3 days of intensive work) was spent trying to duplicate Wyatt's findings. We were unable to do so. The only scientific conclusion that can be made was that the original data was erroneous. At best incompetence or, at worst fabrication of the data are the only possible explanations. Given Mr. Wyatt had no working knowledge on how to operate the system nor interpret the radar data (I tried to train him) and, my previous experience with him in Turkey, I concluded it was the former and not the latter. ( A Christian must always give the benefit of doubt.) My radar work showed some structure on part of the site which was subsequently confirmed to be bedrock with seismic instrumentation used by Dr. John Baumgardner. Drilling at the site in 1989 also produced no evidence that this "object" was anything other than a natural geologic formation. Since no evidence was found that Judi Dagi is the site of the Ark of Noah all Christian researchers concluded, with great disappointment, that this could not be the site. Therefore any statements attributed to me as supporting the conclusion that Noah's Ark has been found are erroneous, misleading and taken out of context. Furthermore my statements should not be considered as relevant to your decision to provide financial support for any future work at this site. I hope this message finally and unequivocally clarifies my position on the discovery of the Ark of Noah at Uzen Gili. Sincerely, Thomas Fenner Geophysicist Source: http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/Fenner.html Follow the money.. another good post mindya
10/10/2013 11:26:56 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	Lying for Jesus is not a worthy endeavor - people will swallow any thing to prop up a failing theology..
10/11/2013 7:40:11 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 51, joined Feb. 2009	Pharaoh’s chariot wheels and other things that won’t float — Examining the claims of the late Ron Wyatt The late Ron Wyatt is noted for his fabulous claims to have located just about every secret thing there is, including Noah’s Ark, the location of Sodom and Gomorrah and the other cities of the plain, Mount Sinai, the location of the crossing of the Red Sea, wheels from Pharaoh’s chariots, the ashes of the red heifer, the ark of the covenant, etc., etc., etc. Standish and Standish, two Seventh Day Adventist researchers, wrote a response to Wyatt, who was also a Seventh Day Adventist. In Holy Relics or Revelation, they give a list of 92 things Wyatt claimed to have found. This book is available at Amazon, and is partially available online at Google Books. Ron Wyatt (1933-1999) was a nurse-anesthetist with no training in archaeology. We might more correctly call him an explorer. Few famous, recognized archaeologists have more than one or two fabulous finds to their credit, but Wyatt found almost everything that was missing! Typically I receive several Emails each year asking about some of the claims of Wyatt, though they do not always mention his name. Recently I received a PowerPoint presentation attached to the Email. The presentation is entitled “Moses & the Red Sea Crossing Truth or Fiction?” Of course, I believe Moses led the developing nation of Israel through the sea. No one takes credit for producing the presentation. There is no documentation other than Scripture references. Looking at the “Properties” of the presentation that someone borrowed a template from some other presentation. The Claim The presentation includes a map showing Succoth immediately north of the Gulf of Suez. That is the wrong position. Israel then traveled across the Sinai peninsula through a wadi running east toward Eilat/Aqaba, then southerly to Nuweiba on the Gulf of Aqaba (Eilat). This, according to Wyatt, is exactly where the Israelites crossed the Red Sea out of Egypt (he considered the Sinai peninsula as Egypt) into the wilderness on the east of the Gulf of Aqaba. This is necessary to place Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia. Wyatt did some scuba diving and found Pharaoh’s chariot wheels, chariot bodies, human and horse bones. The photo below is one I took in the vicinity of Nuweiba January 26, 2011. The view is east from the Sinai Peninsula to Saudi Arabia. This point is about 160 miles on a straight line from where the presentation map shows Israel leaving Succoth. It is about 45 miles south of Eilat/Aqaba. Eilat is in Israel; Aqaba is in Jordan. Even the modern roads in the Sinai are not built on a straight line. "So he made his chariot ready and took his people with him; and he took six hundred select chariots, and all the other chariots of Egypt with officers over all of them. The LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and he chased after the sons of Israel as the sons of Israel were going out boldly. Then the Egyptians chased after them with all the horses and chariots of Pharaoh, his horsemen and his army, and they overtook them camping by the sea, beside Pi-hahiroth, in front of Baal-zephon. (Exo 14:6-9 NAU)" Think about it. A large, powerful, professional Egyptian army had to chase “about six hundred thousand men on foot, aside from children” (Exodus 12:37-38). The Israelites also had their “flocks and herds” and “a very large number of livestock” with them. Yet, the Egyptians could not catch them for more than 160 miles! (View from Sinai Peninsula east to Saudi Arabia. Photo by Ferrell Jenkins) I don’t have the time now to do more, but I have located some articles that raise serious questions about Wyatt’s claims. Wyatt was never taken seriously by archaeologists (whether conservative or liberal). Being Certain About What is Uncertain Carl Rasmussen comments on the scholarly divide concerning landmarks like the Red Sea and Mount Sinai: Indeed there are at least ten different proposals for the location of the Red Sea or Reed Sea — including three lakes near the Mediterranean Sea, five lakes along the line of the present-day Suez Canal, as well as the Gulf of Suez and the Gulf of Elath. In addition, there are at least twelve different candidates for Mount Sinai: five in the southern part of the peninsula, four in the north, one in the center, one in Midian (Saudi Arabia), and another in Edom (southern Transjordan). (Zondervan Atlas of the Bible, Rev. Ed., 103). Responses to Wyatt Wyatt was a Seventh Day Adventist, but when he was actively making his claims several Seventh Day Adventists scholars took up pen to respond to him. We have already mentioned the book by Standish and Standish. Dr. David Merling is currently Research Associate in Near Eastern Archaeology at Andrews University, Institute of Archaeology, Berrien Springs, MI. For a number of years he served as Curator of the Horn Archaeological Museum. During the 1990s Merling wrote a number of short articles responding to the claims of Ron Wyatt. These have been archived on the Andrews University web site. Merling discusses the following questions: --- Who am I and why have I opened this Web site? He explains something about his credentials and states that he has been asked these questions “over and over again.” His comments were last updated in 2006. --- Has Noah’s ark been found? --- Ark of the Covenant, has it been found? --- Did the Israelites cross the Red Sea or the Gulf of Aqaba? This is the specific question that we are now discussing. You may find Dr. Merling’s material here--->http://www.andrews.edu/archaeology/archive/merling/ The page dealing with the question of the Red Sea crossing includes maps showing the difference between what the Bible says and what Wyatt claimed. There is also a photo of the column that Wyatt claims is from the time of Solomon. Merling shows that it is from the time of Jesus [Roman], and unlike columns from the time of Solomon. In another post we will mention more material responding to Wyatt and other pseudo-archaeologists. source:http://ferrelljenkins.wordpress.com/2011/03/08/pharaohs-chariot-wheels-and-other-things-that-wont-float-%E2%80%94-examining-the-claims-of-the-late-ron-wyatt/
10/14/2013 6:30:45 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	How come these boats are going downhill?
10/16/2013 7:28:50 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 60, joined Mar. 2012	Cause they are boats filled with "local flood beleievers",,,,on the slippery slope, down , down, down,,,,Oh my!
10/16/2013 8:38:08 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	Quote from isna_la_wica: Cause they are boats filled with "local flood beleievers",,,,on the slippery slope, down , down, down,,,,Oh my! I`ve missed yer sense of humour....
10/16/2013 10:33:56 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 60, joined Mar. 2012	Ya know, I can see why the boats are going down that slippery slope,,,,but that Tug boat pushing them both? See it? LOL, wonder who is Captain, and crew of her, eh? Shades of holy rolling DH Christians me thinks! [Edited 10/16/2013 10:35:16 PM ]
10/17/2013 8:40:33 AM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
visitingfriends Evansville, WI 75, joined Jan. 2011	Quote from mindya: I`ve missed yer sense of humour.... I second that.
10/19/2013 8:18:15 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	Shalom, if you have stirred up a wasps nest you must be doing something good. I can be quoted on the following: A. Ron Wyatt has never received a license from the IAA to excavate here in Jerusalem. If he has then let him produce a license for his digs and surveys in Jerusalem, the Judean Desert, Mt. Sinai etc. B. Finding a coin at the so called Mt. Sinai. This shows the total ignorance of RW and his public who want to believe rather than to know! Coins were not around at the times of Moses, even an amateur archaeologist should know this simple fact!!! There are so many so called Mt. Sinais that even the Jews do not know where it is located. Personally I believe that it is simply a literary invention which is why it will never be found. (Comment/Correction: The preceding quote about coins has been made without any proof and seems to be absolute . Is he saying there was no coins by this time in history? Joe Zias, Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology, Israel Antiquities Authority, POB 586, Jerusalem, Tel. 972 2 292624. Added 1/29/06) C. As for the chariot wheel, a bluff, produce it, on what was the dating made? Saw it in the video, it looks like a hoax. If it exists date it in a C-14 lab. As a amateur arch. which he claims to be he should know of many. D. The Noah's ark discovery has been discredited. If it is true, and I saw the tape, show lab reports on the C-14 lab report. E. I personally read the junk about the blood of Christ which is totally absurd. I immediately sent a fax to RW as I knew he was bluffing asking for a) copy and address of the lab report and b) sample for some independent testing which we would do. As of yet we have not received any reply, I sent a colleague who is a professor of NT to Tenn. to see what was up and the person in charge of the museum there said that we in the IAA are a bunch of non-believers and they weren't interested in providing such info. to us. F. I saw his video which is an embarrassment to the world of arch. The only people who can believe this junk is one who has never studied arch. As for the impt. archaeologists he mentions in his reports. I have never heard of one of them after 25 yrs in the profession. As for the James Irwin, what are his credentials regarding the world of Biblical Arch. Did he have a BA in the profession, he was conned into believing this as have many others who wish to believe rather than to know. G. Has RW ever had any of his impt. so called discoveries published in a peer reviewed journal? If so why not? H. Lastly if RW can supply us with the lab report on the so called blood of Jesus along with a sample for independent testing which shows 24 chromosomes I will then be led along the road to Damascus. Otherwise he is bluffing. Joe Zias Curator of Anthropology/Archaeology Israel Antiquities Authority POB 586, Jerusalem Tel. 972 2 292624
10/23/2013 11:17:44 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	Quote from isna_la_wica: Ya know, I can see why the boats are going down that slippery slope,,,,but that Tug boat pushing them both? See it? LOL, wonder who is Captain, and crew of her, eh? Shades of holy rolling DH Christians me thinks! I see the slippery slope got more slippery...people need to check out the posting history of new people posting here before they jump on the bandwagon.
11/2/2013 9:26:38 AM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	Quote from casheyesblond: ****Please note that neither myself nor mindya has claimed that parting of the Red Sea was wrong.This thread is about Ron Wyatt, who had been telling his tales of discovering Noah's Ark, the chariots of Pharaoh, the pillars of Solomon, the true Mt. Sinai, the tomb of the Patriarchs, Sodom & Gomorrah, the place of Christ's crucifixion, and the Ark of the Covenant for many years, has been documented as an archaeological fraud. Both former "friends" as well as professional archaeologists in his own denominations (Seventh- Day Adventist) and historians have published detailed refutations of all of his "discoveries." I know that this is quite obvious when reading over here but simple word comprehension is a difficult task for my critics of the forum and so they are misrepresenting my posts once again. That's right.
11/3/2013 4:47:49 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 51, joined Feb. 2009	For those just now reading over here,Ron Wyatt was a pseudoarchaeologist famed for alleged discoveries of material evidence in support of some of the major events recorded in the Bible. His work has been rejected by mainstream archaeology and Christians alike, the bulk of his support coming from the more extreme fringes of evangelical Christianity. Wyatt's work is best characterized as being highly interpretive and suffering from a deficit of evidence. Answers in Genesis (AIG) provides an appraisal of Wyatt's remarkable good fortune in discovering so many artifacts and sites of the bible: ”Are the claims true? If they are, such a staggeringly impressive list would mean that Ron Wyatt had been almost as miraculously assisted by God as the patriarch Moses. If, however, a careful examination of just one or two of these claims reveals them to be false, fanciful or fraudulent, the ‘divine leading’ option evaporates, and it is clear that Christians are being seriously misled." This may be one of those odd occasions in which AIG is correct, since the alternative is to accept that Wyatt, an amateur archaeologist, did the archaeological equivalent of developing General Relativity, Gravitational Theory, and after a break for lunch went on to develop the Theory of Evolution. So yep when even AIG goes as far as to shy away from something, it's a pretty good indicator that it's broken on through to the other side of crazy.
11/4/2013 6:11:57 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	Quote from casheyesblond: For those just now reading over here,Ron Wyatt was a pseudoarchaeologist famed for alleged discoveries of material evidence in support of some of the major events recorded in the Bible. His work has been rejected by mainstream archaeology and Christians alike, the bulk of his support coming from the more extreme fringes of evangelical Christianity. Wyatt's work is best characterized as being highly interpretive and suffering from a deficit of evidence. Answers in Genesis (AIG) provides an appraisal of Wyatt's remarkable good fortune in discovering so many artifacts and sites of the bible: ”Are the claims true? If they are, such a staggeringly impressive list would mean that Ron Wyatt had been almost as miraculously assisted by God as the patriarch Moses. If, however, a careful examination of just one or two of these claims reveals them to be false, fanciful or fraudulent, the ‘divine leading’ option evaporates, and it is clear that Christians are being seriously misled." This may be one of those odd occasions in which AIG is correct, since the alternative is to accept that Wyatt, an amateur archaeologist, did the archaeological equivalent of developing General Relativity, Gravitational Theory, and after a break for lunch went on to develop the Theory of Evolution. So yep when even AIG goes as far as to shy away from something, it's a pretty good indicator that it's broken on through to the other side of crazy. [Edited 11/4/2013 6:13:10 PM ]
11/7/2013 10:39:12 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	Quote from casheyesblond: Ron Wyatt, who has been telling his tales of discovering Noah's Ark, the chariots of Pharaoh, the pillars of Solomon, the true Mt. Sinai, the tomb of the Patriarchs, Sodom & Gomorrah, the place of Christ's crucifixion, and the Ark of the Covenant for many years, has been documented as an archaeological fraud. Both former "friends" as well as professional archaeologists in his own denomination (Seventh- Day Adventist) have published detailed refutations of all of his "discoveries." Those interested in the documentation against Wyatt,you can request a free packet of papers by archaeologists in Wyatt's denomination from: Dr. David Merling, Associate Director & Curator, Institute of Archaeology, Horn Archaeological Museum, Andrews University, Berrien Springs, MI 49104-0990.
12/13/2013 6:43:07 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	Quote from mindya: Letter from Thomas Fenner Subject: RON WYATT AND NOAH'S ARK Date: Monday, October 07, 1996 11:14 PM Dear reader: It has come to my attention that a Mr. Ron Wyatt from Tennessee has been making misleading statements regarding my role and beliefs in the so-called Ark of Noah at Uzen Gili while trying to raise money for his so-called research. I traveled to Turkey in 1985 and 1987 to perform ground penetrating radar studies on the "boat shaped object" on Judi Dagi, near the village of Uzen Gili, 20 miles from Mt Ararat. Due to political unrest and the imposition of martial law, the expedition team, including ABC 20/20, was hole up in Dogubayazit and could not get on the site. After 2 weeks we returned to the US. A pre-condition I set forth for my future involvement in this project was that Mr. Wyatt not attend any subsequent mission due to his actions that were counterproductive to our relationship with the local people (Kurdish) and the Turkish Army. In 1986 Mr. Wyatt visited my office with the local TV station and his own video camera with data allegedly acquired at the sight. A minimal amount of radar data that was covertly acquired to avoid detection by the Turkish Army and presented to me. This data was acquired on a radar system he borrowed from a baking company that he convinced to purchase for his work. I made certain statements about this data that supported the possibility that the boat shaped object had some sort of internal structure. In 1987 I returned to Turkey and did a methodical and complete ground penetrating radar study of the entire site. The first order of business was to duplicate Wyatt's results to support his conclusions. An inordinate amount of time (1.5 out of 3 days of intensive work) was spent trying to duplicate Wyatt's findings. We were unable to do so. The only scientific conclusion that can be made was that the original data was erroneous. At best incompetence or, at worst fabrication of the data are the only possible explanations. Given Mr. Wyatt had no working knowledge on how to operate the system nor interpret the radar data (I tried to train him) and, my previous experience with him in Turkey, I concluded it was the former and not the latter. ( A Christian must always give the benefit of doubt.) My radar work showed some structure on part of the site which was subsequently confirmed to be bedrock with seismic instrumentation used by Dr. John Baumgardner. Drilling at the site in 1989 also produced no evidence that this "object" was anything other than a natural geologic formation. Since no evidence was found that Judi Dagi is the site of the Ark of Noah all Christian researchers concluded, with great disappointment, that this could not be the site. Therefore any statements attributed to me as supporting the conclusion that Noah's Ark has been found are erroneous, misleading and taken out of context. Furthermore my statements should not be considered as relevant to your decision to provide financial support for any future work at this site. I hope this message finally and unequivocally clarifies my position on the discovery of the Ark of Noah at Uzen Gili. Sincerely, Thomas Fenner Geophysicist Source: http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/Fenner.html Follow the money...
12/13/2013 9:36:18 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
wayn49 Birmingham, AL 53, joined Feb. 2011	maybe he told the truth. who knows. you were not there
12/26/2013 10:18:34 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 51, joined Feb. 2009	Quote from wayn49: maybe he told the truth. who knows. you were not there I wasn't there when they crucified Jesus either but I know that Ron Wyatt DID NOT discover the crucifixion of Jesus and DID NOT discover Christ's blood, dripped onto the Mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant beneath the Crucifixion site although he claimed to have discivered these things as well. yep that's right,Ron Wyatt also claimed to have found a sample of Jesus' blood and claimed that DNA testing was done to confirm it was Jesus' blood. Hey but there's a youtube video about Ron Wyatt's "discovery" of the crucifixion of Jesus and "discovery" of Christ's blood, dripped onto the Mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant so it must be true right ? Well heck no. We have certain ones in this forum that think a youtube video is "proof". Even if I provide scientific evidence published in a peer-reviewed science journal in regard to other things,these certain ones think they can refute it with a youtube video Now in regard to alleged chariot wheels of the Exodus claimed by Ron Wyatt and his defenders in this forum,this has never been made available to any archaeologists, Bible-believing or otherwise !!!!! Ron Wyatt is not respected by the archaeological community in Israel, Egypt, Turkey, etc. He has made so many extraordinary claims of discovery without supporting evidence. Simply put,his claims are never verifiable by other trained archaeologists and scientists. The Bible does not say we should “believe all things,” but rather that we should “prove all things” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Allow me to explain further. Ron Wyatt's typical evidence was photographs. As you can see in the youtube videos,there are some interesting photos but that's as far as it goes.No artifacts placed in any museum --all he had was his photographs and no follow up using accepted technologies to confirm, date, and support his sensational claims. Now pay close attention to this.By the time of his death on August 4, 1999, his claimed discoveries included: -- Noah's Ark -- Anchor stones (or drogue stones) used by Noah on the Ark -- The post-flood house, grave markers and tombs of Noah and his wife -- The location of Sodom and Gomorrah and the other Cities of the Plain: Zoar, Zeboim and Admah -- Sulfur/brimstone balls from the ashen remains of Sodom and Gomorrah. -- The Tower of Babel site -- How the Egyptians may have built the pyramids. -- The site of the Israelites' crossing of the Red Sea -- Chariot wheels and other relics of the army of Pharaoh at the bottom of the Red Sea -- The site of the biblical Mt. Sinai (in Saudi Arabia at Jabal al Lawz)[10] --A chamber at the end of a maze of tunnels under Jerusalem containing artifacts from Solomon's Temple (including the Ark of the Covenant). --The site of the Crucifixion of Jesus -- Christ's blood, dripped onto the Mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant beneath the Crucifixion site. -- Burial pots off the coast of Ashkelon Oh my,what a list Even Answers in Genesis(AIG) called Wyatt's claims "fraudulent" For those just now reading over here,Ron Wyatt was a pseudo-archaeologist famed for alleged discoveries of material evidence in support of some of the major events recorded in the Bible. His work has been rejected by mainstream archaeology and Christians alike, the bulk of his support coming from the more extreme fringes of evangelical Christianity. Wyatt's work is best characterized as being highly interpretive and suffering from a deficit of evidence. Answers in Genesis (AIG) provides an appraisal of Wyatt's remarkable good fortune in discovering so many artifacts and sites of the bible: ”Are the claims true? If they are, such a staggeringly impressive list would mean that Ron Wyatt had been almost as miraculously assisted by God as the patriarch Moses. If, however, a careful examination of just one or two of these claims reveals them to be false, fanciful or fraudulent, the ‘divine leading’ option evaporates, and it is clear that Christians are being seriously misled." This may be one of those odd occasions in which AIG is correct, since the alternative is to accept that Wyatt, an amateur archaeologist, did the archaeological equivalent of developing General Relativity, Gravitational Theory, and after a break for lunch went on to develop the Theory of Evolution. So yep when even AIG goes as far as to shy away from something, it's a pretty good indicator that it's broken on through to the other side of crazy.
12/27/2013 12:03:04 AM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 51, joined Feb. 2009	lets go to biblearchaeology.org and see what they have to say shall we Holy Relics or Revelation: Examining the Claims of Ron Wyatt: For the devout Christian, faith is anchored in the revealed Word. When Biblical archeology confirms the Scriptures, it stirs the heart. Biblical archaeologists have gathered archaeologist data with painstaking effort and scholarship. Their work validates the accuracy of the Bible. Yet mostly within a single decade, Ron Wyatt sought out and claimed the most amazing Biblical sites and relics. The sensational discoveries claimed by Wyatt number nearly 100 and include such things as the Ark of the Covenant, anchor stones from Noah's Ark, a book of the law written by Moses, and the original Ten Commandments in stone. Also Christ's literal living blood, fences from Noah's farm, the Golden Censer, Goliath's sword, the graves of Korah and friends, the Table of Showbread, and the wheels of Pharaoh's chariots (Standish, pages 7-10). These are only the beginning. It is unfortunate for those who love the Bible that all of these incredible claims are almost certainly fraudulent. A great criticism leveled at Mr. Wyatt has been that his "evidence" has generally been in the form of either photographs or inconclusive specimens, which may or may not have come from the source he claims. His "findings" have not been given independent confirmation by other researchers with specialized training in the fields of archaeology and related sciences, which Mr. Wyatt (a nurse anesthetist by profession) did not have (he died in 1999). This lack of specific education by itself would not invalidate his findings if they could be supported by others, but they cannot. In this book, the Standish brothers examine the Wyatt claims in-depth, going beyond his videotaped claims. These findings can serve as a benchmark upon which Ron Wyatt's "discoveries" can be more carefully evaluated. In 58 easily-read chapters the Standishs meticulously, painstakingly examine in detail all of Wyatt's claims. Author: Russell R. & Colin D. Standish Pages: 300 Publisher: Hartland Publications Paperback ---------------------- ****And a word from Dr. Bryant Wood,the Director of Research at biblearchaeology.org : Ron Wyatt, now deceased, was not a credible scholar. He was an anesthetist with no training in archaeology or the ancient Near East. He was merely an adventurer. Wyatt was a Seventh Day Adventist and has been thoroughly refuted by his own denomination (Holy Relics or Revelation—Recent Astounding Archaeological Claims Evaluated, by Russell R. and Colin D. Standish, published by Heartland Publications in 1999 (www.biblearchaeology.org/.../product.aspx?id=108). ABR has published a research article debunking the claim that Mt. Sinai is located in Saudi Arabia: www.biblearchaeology.org/.../...Saudi-Arabia.aspx. In short, the Bible records that the sea crossing took place at the beginning of the Exodus journey, closer to Egypt, rather than at the end of the journey, closer to Mt. Sinai, as Wyatt’s theory would have it. Even more damaging is the fact that it took the Israelites but 60 days to reach Mt. Sinai (Exod. 19:1). Travelling by foot with all of their animals, they only would be able to make 5–6 miles per day, much too slow to reach Saudi Arabia in 60 days (see www.biblearchaeology.org/.../...Mount-Sinai.aspx). According to the requirements of Scripture, the sea crossing took place in the Isthmus of Suez. I believe it was at Lake Ballah, no longer seen today since it was drained when the Suez Canal was cut (see www.biblearchaeology.org/.../...ossing-Part-I.aspx and www.biblearchaeology.org/.../...ing-Part-II.aspx). Mt. Sinai should be located somewhere in the northeast Sinai (see www.biblearchaeology.org/.../...th-Mt-Sinai.aspx). Note that the so-called “chariot wheels” at the bottom of the Gulf of Aqaba shown in the presentation have four spokes whereas Egyptian chariot wheels have six spokes. And, also, a brief comment from another staff member, Rick Lanser** (this written to another person asking about Mr. Wyatt) Ron Wyatt did not discover anything that has held up to close examination. For example, the chariot wheel in the YouTube video was found to have been put there for making the video, and is not even an ancient Egyptian wheel. The YouTube videos are designed not to give scientific facts, but to get you to send in money to the Wyatt supporters. There is much evidence the claims are fraudulent at http://www.tentmaker.org/WAR/ and www.answersingenesis.org/.../report.asp. ABR wants to promote any discoveries that uphold the historical reliability of the Bible, regardless of who makes them. But we refuse to promote self-serving and apparently fraudulent information. There are many out there who make a living doing just that. I hope this information has helped you be a discerning reader of such information. In His service---Rick Lanser We hope that this information is helpful to you. Thanks again for your comments and interest in the ABR ministry. Blessings, ABR [Edited 12/27/2013 12:05:02 AM ]
12/27/2013 12:41:56 AM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	Very interesting...
12/27/2013 8:53:38 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
casheyesblond Belmont, NC 51, joined Feb. 2009	amazing how gullible some people are
12/27/2013 9:28:49 PM	Chariot Wheels in the Red Sea Hoax and More Perpetrated by Ron Wyatt
mindya Vancouver, BC 62, joined Jan. 2009	Quote from casheyesblond: amazing how gullible some people are All ya gotta do is post some two bit youtube vid that has a few sound bites that tickles young earth creationist ears rather than doing some research into REAL science not the BS paraded about by "scientists" so called.

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