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12/11/2013 10:20:01 PM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

rookjenny
Over 1,000 Posts (1,687)
Bean Station, TN
47, joined May. 2012


I'm not a front wheel drive guy,so i've never been inside one of these transmissions,but give me a rear wheel drive,and i can build it.
My problem is with a 95 taurus 3.0 not shifting out of second gear.,but not being completely certain,it may be skipping second,and going to high,but won't go into overdrive,but anyway,it's only shifting once,at a low speed,which seems like second gear,then won't shift anymore,not even at 60 mph or higher.
My brother had it out on loan,and it came to me,as if it was starving for fuel,but when i noticed a bright glow in the dark,i noticed the catylic converter was red,so i checked the plug wires,pulled them one at a time,then pulled the injector wires one at a time,and all seemed ok,so i advanced the timing,and it ran great,with no glowing converter,and when we tried the car out,it wasn't shifting to high or overdrive,so i thought well,maybe it was doing this before it came back,and the girl hadn't noticed it,or wasn't telling us,or i did something to a wire to the transmission while squeezing in to loosen and tighten the distributor.
My thought is maybe it's the shift solenoid,so if it is,how hard is it to change,and what all has to be removed,or could it be something else,like maybe a clogged valve body,or the filter.
I do know that settled sludge is a big problem with fords that have set maybe over a year,at least i've seen the problem a good bit with fords,but this one is one that hasm't sit,and worked great,until it came to me over the smothering problem.
Car is too good and dependable not to fix.

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12/11/2013 10:47:35 PM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  
cupocheer
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Assumption, IL
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automatic or stick, Rook?

12/12/2013 2:12:46 AM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

rookjenny
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Bean Station, TN
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Quote from cupocheer:
automatic or stick, Rook?
Automatic with overdrive.

12/12/2013 8:27:51 PM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  
karrpilot
Over 1,000 Posts (1,864)
Oswego, IL
52, joined Jul. 2009


There were too many TSB's and updates to that transmission to list here in the forums. Quite frankly, I am surprised the transmission lasted as long as it has. Most of them were acting up before the warranty expired in those years.

That being said, my suggestion would be for you to price out a Ford MotorCraft black boxed reman transmission. All the updates, TSB's, and upgrades should have already been done to the replacement transmission prior to it getting shipped.

Also, if there is ANY bit of metal in the transmission pan, guess what? It's probably lodged in the radiator cooler as well. So it would also be a good idea to price out a new radiator. Along with an auxiliary external additional cooler, if there is one. Most had both.

Then, when you finally get all the facts, figures, and numbers together, you might decide that fixing an almost 20 year old car isn't worth the time and trouble after all.

12/13/2013 6:38:11 PM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

rookjenny
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Bean Station, TN
47, joined May. 2012


karpilot
Thanks for the info,was going to message you before i created the thread,but you were offline.
Anyway,the transmission was working super good,until it was loaned out a few weeks,and came back like that,and it has a great 3.0,so for now i'll look for a low cost fix,to put it back to shifting right,but as far as a new transmission goes,the car really isn't worth the extra money.

12/14/2013 8:18:38 PM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  
karrpilot
Over 1,000 Posts (1,864)
Oswego, IL
52, joined Jul. 2009


You have just learned the same lesson I learned 20 years ago. Do NOT lend a vehicle out. Yours came back with a bad transmission. Mine didn't come back. It was totaled by my uncle in an ice storm.

I have not seen too many cheap, or easy, fixes to a Ford transmission. Short of some of the newer models with just a PCM reflash. Most require a complete removal / bench tear down to make the repairs.

12/15/2013 6:52:20 AM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

rookjenny
Over 1,000 Posts (1,687)
Bean Station, TN
47, joined May. 2012


Quote from karrpilot:
You have just learned the same lesson I learned 20 years ago. Do NOT lend a vehicle out. Yours came back with a bad transmission. Mine didn't come back. It was totaled by my uncle in an ice storm.

I have not seen too many cheap, or easy, fixes to a Ford transmission. Short of some of the newer models with just a PCM reflash. Most require a complete removal / bench tear down to make the repairs.
One transmission i could definately use your help on is an overdrive gmc.
I can just about build a c4,c6,or fmx with my eyes closed,but never tore an overfrive down,and i am familiar with the 350 turbo,and powerglide,but anyway,i figured you're the gm go to guy.
Not sure of the year of this overdrive,but somebody put it in this 76 gmc siera we have,and it has your basic passing gear cable,and no type of wiring or modulator valve.
My brother was sort of in a rush about two weeks after we got it,and at 65,we noticed it hit another gear,but it won't hit overdrive,unless you're doing at least 65,and if you drop a few mph under,it will drop down a gear,so personally,filter,o-ring somewhere,speed sensor?

12/15/2013 11:50:35 AM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  
karrpilot
Over 1,000 Posts (1,864)
Oswego, IL
52, joined Jul. 2009


I am not a transmission man. With the exception of replacing a bad one complete. However, your question could quite possibly be answered by the tech support at summit racing.

The only time I ever swapped in a different transmission, was when I threw out a Powerglide, and installed a turbo 350 in it's place. Then I had all sorts of fun. My speedo was reading too fast, my shifter didn't line up correctly, due to the 350 having 3 gears, as opposed to the Powerglide only having 2, and my reverse lights not working.

Not only that, but I also had issues with the TV / kickdown linkage being different between the 2 transmissions. About the only thing that did go smoothly was the install of the trans itself. Everything else, was a time sucking abyss.

12/15/2013 3:47:36 PM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

rookjenny
Over 1,000 Posts (1,687)
Bean Station, TN
47, joined May. 2012


Thanks karr,i'll look into summit racing.

12/30/2013 11:28:08 PM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  
spankymech
Phoenix, AZ
25, joined Feb. 2013


Change you're cat if it glowed at all its bad and that will cause the flow to be restricted and over all can cause all kinds of funny symptoms. .such as not being able to pickup speed or surpass a certain speed.

1/1/2014 3:41:59 AM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

rookjenny
Over 1,000 Posts (1,687)
Bean Station, TN
47, joined May. 2012


Quote from spankymech:
Change you're cat if it glowed at all its bad and that will cause the flow to be restricted and over all can cause all kinds of funny symptoms. .such as not being able to pickup speed or surpass a certain speed.
And the symptoms certainly have changed since i began this thread.

1/1/2014 3:58:36 PM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

1irving
Over 1,000 Posts (1,978)
Ruskin, FL
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It's MAGIC. Replacing a glowing cat is OK as long as the ROOT problem is addressed, the new cat will glow just like the old one.

1/2/2014 6:42:36 AM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

rookjenny
Over 1,000 Posts (1,687)
Bean Station, TN
47, joined May. 2012


Quote from 1irving:
It's MAGIC. Replacing a glowing cat is OK as long as the ROOT problem is addressed, the new cat will glow just like the old one.
You may have read one of my posts to karpilot,where i had mentioned i advanced the timing,then the car was running fine,with no glowing cat,just wasn't going into overdrive?
Well,my brothers girlfriend let her daughter have the car again that night,and the problem was there again.
Sucks in a way,that i don't have experience on a taurus being a Ford guy.
All i know,is this problem is normally associated with timing or spark somewhere,and autozone said the car has to be a 96 or newer to run a diagnostics on,but i think i need a second opinion.

1/2/2014 9:34:10 AM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

1irving
Over 1,000 Posts (1,978)
Ruskin, FL
55, joined Mar. 2013


It could be map/maf/leaking injector. The answer is NEVER found at Autozone. 95 should be able to be diagnosed with OBDII unless the build date is before 08/94. Moving the distributor is pointless if there is a cam sensor inside. The computer will just think there is more play in the timing chain and readjust. There is two problems with this POS. Fuel management and transmission. Just for laughs, clear the KAM memory by removing the negative battery connection for 20 seconds or more. See if it shifts properly. When the computer sees a tran problem, it may go into fail safe mode, shifting from 2 to 4. The build date will have a lot to do with different procedures to deal with this issue.

1/20/2014 2:18:29 PM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  
badchevy4x4babe
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (11,800)
Fort Worth, TX
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There is a cheap ford OBD1 'scanner' that can be purchased as well. Count the beeps and it correlates to a 'code'

2/10/2014 1:55:58 AM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

rookjenny
Over 1,000 Posts (1,687)
Bean Station, TN
47, joined May. 2012


Quote from badchevy4x4babe:
There is a cheap ford OBD1 'scanner' that can be purchased as well. Count the beeps and it correlates to a 'code'
Thanks babe,car has been parked through this cold spell,but i'll check that out.

4/11/2014 2:56:25 AM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

rookjenny
Over 1,000 Posts (1,687)
Bean Station, TN
47, joined May. 2012


1irving
If you're around,i have an update on this taurus,that may be helpful toward solving the problem.
It has started shifting perfect,but only at a certain point.
So all the above problems in this thread have turned into a simple thing involving possibly heat,which i have noticed is causing several things to act up at once,so here goes.
After being parked for nearly two months after i created this thread,the car was started one day,and drove.
It ran like a champ,no missing,shifted great from low to overdrive,downshifted great on slowdown,lots of power,but however,this was within about two miles,then the motor got weak,and the transmission shifted down to about second gear,at about 55,and stayed there,so took it home,next day everything was perfect within two miles,then same old thing.
This problem is happening when car gets warmed up good to about the full normal operating temp.
Ok,there is a small hole or two in cat,so it's fairly,just fairly noisy.
Ok,when this thing happens after good warm up,along with trans downshifting to 2nd and staying there,and motor becoming very weak,you can pull over and let car idle,and exhaust is a lot louder,and motor appears to be either flooding or badly starving for fuel.
If you shut it down only 15 Min and start it back,it idles smooth again,and pretty quite again,lots of power,pull it in gear,and it's in low,like it should be,give it some gas,and it shifts up up up,then into OD,perfectly,goes to full operating temp again,then same problem again.
This very simple little problem for somebody that doesn't know much about automotive electronics is frustrating,because it's a simple little thing.
Check engine light comes on when this happens.
Hope this new info helps.
Can pull battery cable for a minute,but still same thing when engine gets to full normal temp.

4/11/2014 7:01:45 AM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

1irving
Over 1,000 Posts (1,978)
Ruskin, FL
55, joined Mar. 2013


Wow, sounds like a converter clogging up! It would be nice to see back pressure, cold then hot. I would not throw a y-pipe at this car without knowing! Possibly there is a shift solenoid also having heat related problems, but I would concentrate on back pressure first. More than 1 lb back pressure is bad, but what you want to see is the "DIFFERENCE" between cold and hot. I bet you see 1/2 lb or less cold and 3 lb hot.

4/11/2014 8:05:15 PM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

rookjenny
Over 1,000 Posts (1,687)
Bean Station, TN
47, joined May. 2012


Quote from 1irving:
Wow, sounds like a converter clogging up! It would be nice to see back pressure, cold then hot. I would not throw a y-pipe at this car without knowing! Possibly there is a shift solenoid also having heat related problems, but I would concentrate on back pressure first. More than 1 lb back pressure is bad, but what you want to see is the "DIFFERENCE" between cold and hot. I bet you see 1/2 lb or less cold and 3 lb hot.
I found an eec test plug under the hood.
Think a test may be helpful?

4/12/2014 7:21:17 AM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

1irving
Over 1,000 Posts (1,978)
Ruskin, FL
55, joined Mar. 2013


If you can get DATA out of it you can watch MAP sensor data, numerically it will go down with lower vacuum. An easy way would be to remove an 02 sensor when it starts acting up hot. If you have a clogged converter it will run better without the 02 sensor. I have a scan tool that will display data, but we are kind of far apart.

4/12/2014 10:12:29 PM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

rookjenny
Over 1,000 Posts (1,687)
Bean Station, TN
47, joined May. 2012


Quote from 1irving:
If you can get DATA out of it you can watch MAP sensor data, numerically it will go down with lower vacuum. An easy way would be to remove an 02 sensor when it starts acting up hot. If you have a clogged converter it will run better without the 02 sensor. I have a scan tool that will display data, but we are kind of far apart.
I'll do that,but the confusing part to me is that i know exhaust can get louder through a bad sensor,and motor lose serious power,and flood and idle up and down,all these things at once,but the transmission downshifts at the same exact time these other things happen,and stays in one gear,like second or high,and won't shift up or down,but when motor is cool,all these things happen at the same exact time,transmission,missing,loud gas smell,louder exhaust,rough idle,and when motor cools,all problems go away at same exact time,and i do mean same exact time.

Wierd

5/14/2014 10:29:35 PM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

tiredlogger
Over 1,000 Posts (1,684)
Booneville, MS
45, joined May. 2008


its the cat con replace it the exhaust backs up on the motor causin it to bog down the cam and crank sensors is tellin feedin the comp the info which then sends more fuel and down shits trans

5/15/2014 8:33:49 AM 95 Ford Taurus shifting problem  

luckylouie42
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Cedar Grove, WV
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send the old ford to the bone yard, and quit wasting your time, and money,

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