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1/28/2015 5:46:28 AM Turn the tables on the Pharisees  

shylywilling
Over 1,000 Posts (1,263)
Medford, OR
53, joined Jan. 2008


Joyusall2 and others, in my opinion, what makes this forum attractive, (could be and has been even greater fun and more rewarding and I'll get to that in a moment), is expressing and sharing in our own styles and words our own unique interpretations and understandings of the bible/God. It would be boring and practically useless if the only thing posted here was exact textbook copies of the bible text because we already have our own printed text, (physical books). It is as well great when we can add to our messages bible verse references and even sometimes actual copies of exact bible text to aid our understanding each other's points and ideas about God. Also for the same reason it is sometimes helpful to quote each other in our dialogs as I am about to do. It may seem a small insignificant thing, these explanatory comments from your earlier post Joy, "Now I know this may sound non biblical a bit" and "(in bible not exact words)", however, since I had a few years away it made something obvious to me upon my return that I feel we might address to improve our enjoyment and reward from interacting with each other here.

I feel these quotes above are an example of symptoms of a bully or bullies that have been brow beating(intimidating) the posters here in this forum with insulting and chastising comments intended to and causing posters to fear and respect the bully(s) as powerful biblical authorities on this site. I assure you that this is the same tactic that the Pharisees where employing in the temples of Jesus' day and the bullies here are no more an authority on the bible then the Pharisees were on the Son of God. I ask and challenge all readers to take a moment and browse this forum's earliest pages and compare the variety and attitude of the posters and content to the current page. I think you might see that there were a lot more variety of posters and a lot less inhibition to freely share ideas in the earlier days here. Yes I too have no doubt that this reflects society at large and is due to many other factors as well but there is equally no doubt that an obnoxiously rude bully can and has influenced many posters and would be posters to either limit their posts and content or stay away altogether. This is the negative effect of capitalism on society. It is a system that ironically entices us to aspire to be the best instead of our own best. In this way it inflames selfishness and chills compassion.

So if you agree that what you are attracted to on this board is a variety of posters and an elaborate richness of content then there is something we can do to improve these attributes. Avoid personal insults. Either refrain from posting them yourself or address the behavior of those who do. This is not easy and we are not always going to be able to accurately realize the difference between subjective and objective comments so I recommend two things to help this tactic be more effective.

First do not hesitate to help each other out with an objective warning when we perceive a subjective insult whether it be directed at ourselves or others. Remember the goal is to help achieve a more enjoyable forum for everyone to participate so it is most effective when we are focused and act on other's interests as in when someone else is insulted.

Second: Use the block button in stages. For instance as only an example of technique, time may vary depending on individuals and circumstances. One insult, warn. Second insult, block for a day. Third insult block for a week. Fourth insult block for several weeks, and fifth insult, well life is too short and precious to babysit everyone so perhaps this is the threshold to leave them blocked indefinitely.

As far a flagging a post or poster I am not comfortable with leaving this to the administration of the site unless the post is very extreme because in the past the administration just deleted whole threads which quickly became a tool for malicious posters to use which obviously punished everyone. It maybe that the current administration is different but I don't want any one's effort to be avoidably lost in a gamble on it.

I realize that it is a huge leap of faith that we can effect the desired improvement but I am a believer in the word and the word is, together, united, with fasting(block) and prayer(communicating), we can move mountains so surely one or a few Pharisees is no obstacle.

Joy, no need to worry or second guess your self about your personal style being written and or verifiable in the bible because as far as I can tell, you have intended no harm and have added greatly to the charm and enjoyment of at least my visits here just exactly the way you are, kind, inquisitive, expressive, and gracious. I see nothing there that would displease God either.

I got your back, Maam.

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1/28/2015 8:39:59 AM Turn the tables on the Pharisees  

isna_la_wica
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,901)
Brantford, ON
60, joined Mar. 2012


Not sure what this is about. I suspect it originates from a source that blocked me recently, just prior to starting threads about my self.

I tend to prefer certain Translations over others, and I do like to post scripture to back up what I claim and at times to get a certain concept across, do quote, cut and paste articles.

I do agree with most of what you have said though.

1/28/2015 8:48:54 AM Turn the tables on the Pharisees  
joyusall2
Over 2,000 Posts (3,574)
Queensland
Australia
68, joined Oct. 2011


Quote from shylywilling:
Joyusall2 and others, in my opinion, what makes this forum attractive, (could be and has been even greater fun and more rewarding and I'll get to that in a moment), is expressing and sharing in our own styles and words our own unique interpretations and understandings of the bible/God. It would be boring and practically useless if the only thing posted here was exact textbook copies of the bible text because we already have our own printed text, (physical books). It is as well great when we can add to our messages bible verse references and even sometimes actual copies of exact bible text to aid our understanding each other's points and ideas about God. Also for the same reason it is sometimes helpful to quote each other in our dialogs as I am about to do. It may seem a small insignificant thing, these explanatory comments from your earlier post Joy, "Now I know this may sound non biblical a bit" and "(in bible not exact words)", however, since I had a few years away it made something obvious to me upon my return that I feel we might address to improve our enjoyment and reward from interacting with each other here.

I feel these quotes above are an example of symptoms of a bully or bullies that have been brow beating(intimidating) the posters here in this forum with insulting and chastising comments intended to and causing posters to fear and respect the bully(s) as powerful biblical authorities on this site. I assure you that this is the same tactic that the Pharisees where employing in the temples of Jesus' day and the bullies here are no more an authority on the bible then the Pharisees were on the Son of God. I ask and challenge all readers to take a moment and browse this forum's earliest pages and compare the variety and attitude of the posters and content to the current page. I think you might see that there were a lot more variety of posters and a lot less inhibition to freely share ideas in the earlier days here. Yes I too have no doubt that this reflects society



We all have been so wounded
we do not know each others history unless we read their every post
and still we won't KNOW
so I know I am here to learn Compassion for myself and others
NO one hates on purpose IMO



If you went to my discussions --- there is one on grumpy cat No hope---
Well I am still here----

It's a funny discussion actually
because
I know we must establish loving relationships to heal at all
So if we say we Love G-d but hate our brother we are a lair (me included)


we each cause a ripple that moves out on the pond of life---How I found DH I thought was a miracle
I knew nothing---but here I am 5 years later----I spent 40 years parroting scriptures --when you apply them you begin to SEE
Now I know why my Dead hubby when alive would sigh


So thankful I had a place to learn and perhaps a silent (?df?) helper?







at large and is due to many other factors as well but there is equally no doubt that an


obnoxiously rude bully can and has influenced many posters and would be posters to either limit their posts and content or stay away altogether. This is the negative effect of capitalism on society. It is a system that ironically entices us to aspire to be the best instead of our own best. In this way it inflames selfishness and chills compassion.

So if you agree that what you are attracted to on this board is a variety of posters and an elaborate richness of content then there is something we can do to improve these attributes. Avoid personal insults. Either refrain from posting them yourself or address the behavior of those who do. This is not easy and we are not always going to be able to accurately realize the difference between subjective and objective comments so I recommend two things to help this tactic be more effective.

First do not hesitate to help each other out with an objective warning when we perceive a subjective insult whether it be directed at ourselves or others. Remember the goal is to help achieve a more enjoyable forum for everyone to participate so it is most effective when we are focused and act on other's interests as in when someone else is insulted.

Second: Use the block button in stages. For instance as only an example of technique, time may vary depending on individuals and circumstances. One insult, warn. Second insult, block for a day. Third insult block for a week. Fourth insult block for several weeks, and fifth insult, well life is too short and precious to babysit everyone so perhaps this is the threshold to leave them blocked indefinitely.

As far a flagging a post or poster I am not comfortable with leaving this to the administration of the site unless the post is very extreme because in the past the administration just deleted whole threads which quickly became a tool for malicious posters to use which obviously punished everyone. It maybe that the current administration is different but I don't want any one's effort to be avoidably lost in a gamble on it.

I realize that it is a huge leap of faith that we can effect the desired improvement but I am a believer in the word and the word is, together, united, with fasting(block) and prayer(communicating), we can move mountains so surely one or a few Pharisees is no obstacle.

Joy, no need to worry or second guess your self about your personal style being written and or verifiable in the bible because as far as I can tell, you have intended no harm and have added greatly to the charm and enjoyment of at least my visits here just exactly the way you are, kind, inquisitive, expressive, and gracious. I see nothing there that would displease God either.

I got your back, Maam.


1/28/2015 10:20:18 AM Turn the tables on the Pharisees  

bigd9832
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (14,061)
Chicago, IL
62, joined Oct. 2007


Quote from shylywilling:
Avoid personal insults.

Second: Use the block button in stages. For instance as only an example of technique, time may vary depending on individuals and circumstances. One insult, warn. Second insult, block for a day. Third insult block for a week. Fourth insult block for several weeks, and fifth insult, well life is too short and precious to babysit everyone so perhaps this is the threshold to leave them blocked indefinitely.


I am so glad you have made all the rules of the shy and willing available for all to follow. I am sure you have obtained the permission of those who own and run this board to post such rules.

Quote from shylywilling:
a condescending know-it-all jerk

that you are blind to anyone's opinion but your own and that you think every one should just automatically know and obey your unwritten rules for post structure, etiquette, and criteria for what is appropriate or not.

cut and pasting obnoxiously pretentious posts out of an obsolete book

because every one comes here just to get your approval


In English we call that hypocritical. That means "behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case."

Kinda of a "do as I say but not as I do? attitude.

Now I wonder, since your insults come in stages is that one or four?

1/28/2015 11:05:03 AM Turn the tables on the Pharisees  
joyusall2
Over 2,000 Posts (3,574)
Queensland
Australia
68, joined Oct. 2011


Quote from bigd9832:
In English we call that hypocritical. That means "behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case."

Kinda of a "do as I say but not as I do? attitude.

Now I wonder, since your insults come in stages is that one or four?







Remember when the disciples were fighting about who was greater among themselves
Jesus said be the servant of all be gentle ---don't fight====the bible says like a nursing mother


I wish life was over---Beyond sad------
we follow Jesus not each other----

I know our lives haven't been easy
Jesus said he over came the world can me and you try too----

1/28/2015 12:39:18 PM Turn the tables on the Pharisees  

louie6332
Over 2,000 Posts (2,702)
Falkville, AL
73, joined Nov. 2011


OP, I have never heard the warm safety of a mother’s womb described as “a dark, scary, isolated, and uncomfortable place” before Are you a hippy who never grew up? Are you bombed out of your head on drugs? And how is your in-your-face, what’s your’s is also mine, socialism working out for you?

You say: “We will need to sever the ambilical (sp) chord of capitalism that divides us and prevents us from believing in God, each other.” Go peddle your Marxist crap elsewhere. Are you clueless that the Marxists have murdered over two billion people worldwide so far in their so-called fifth column wars of liberation? And you ain’t seen nothing yet. Soon they will wage the Third World War against the West. How many Christians have to die before you realize that they are no friend of ours?

Louie

1/28/2015 12:54:22 PM Turn the tables on the Pharisees  
joyusall2
Over 2,000 Posts (3,574)
Queensland
Australia
68, joined Oct. 2011


Quote from louie6332:
OP, I have never heard the warm safety of a mother’s womb described as “a dark, scary, isolated, and uncomfortable place” before Are you a hippy who never grew up? Are you bombed out of your head on drugs? And how is your in-your-face, what’s your’s is also mine, socialism working out for you?

You say: “We will need to sever the ambilical (sp) chord of capitalism that divides us and prevents us from believing in God, each other.” Go peddle your Marxist crap elsewhere. Are you clueless that the Marxists have murdered over two billion people worldwide so far in their so-called fifth column wars of liberation? And you ain’t seen nothing yet. Soon they will wage the Third World War against the West. How many Christians have to die before you realize that they are no friend of ours?

Louie




There will come a day when we will stand STILL the bible says and Jesus will do the rest
Can not Jesus provide enough for all like the fish and loaves-----A new Earth and heavens is promised----

I will find the scripture----

1/29/2015 1:01:04 AM Turn the tables on the Pharisees  

shylywilling
Over 1,000 Posts (1,263)
Medford, OR
53, joined Jan. 2008


Excellent Joyusall2.


"We all have been so wounded
we do not know each others history unless we read their every post
and still we won't KNOW
so I know I am here to learn Compassion for myself and others
NO one hates on purpose IMO"

Right, the hate is only born from the pain of our wounds and every one is experiencing it because the cause of it is systemic. Knowing that a system is causing this behavior in us allows us to better understand and forgive the individuals but also brings to mind the question what system do all of us have in common? The bible gives us great detail describing the behaviors of selfishness and compassion and I offer what God showed me; that it is the system of capitalism that encourages selfish nakedness and wanes (does not nurture) compassionate love for our brethren.

Genesis:1,26 "let us make man in our image, according to our likeness;.."

John:10,34 "I said you are gods"

These two verses are a part of the biblical message telling us that we are an embryo of God. We are each like the cells of a body maturing and becoming specialized until we awaken to our purpose as one life and wrench away from our selfishness to act as one life and birth forth as infant of God, (a men). Jesus is like the first spark of consciousness in the dark, scary, isolated, and uncomfortable womb apart from our father and our enlightened life as infant of God. How long we endure our current state attached to the ambilical chord (a false god) in the womb is a matter of how much suffering we can stand until we overcome our immature resistance and unite to endeavor as one species.

From God we are one species and yet we stubbornly insist on a juvenile system of looking out for ourselves by trying to be the best or better then others in hope and belief that by being the best or better we will be rewarded accordingly with advantages. This is neither obeying or believing in God and also is not a patriotic endeavor either. Henceforth as we rapidly mature as a species our planet's civilizations become more uniformly capitalistic and, ironically and hypocritically, divided. Since obviously a house divided cannot stand we are becoming increasingly socially toxic. Our birth pain contractions increase in severity and frequency until we recognize, accept, and enact as one life an end to that which inspires our toxic division.

How long we endure our current state attached to the ambilical chord of a false god in the womb is a matter of how much suffering we can stand until we overcome our resistance and unite to endeavor as one species. I will add that in our current divided state we are murdering each other with wars, violence, brutality, and acts of terrorism that might yet become nuclear. So by design we must learn to unite with love and compassion or we surely cannot be allowed dominion of our power as an infant of God. Whom would allow the crawling baby the keys to a car or a loaded pistol. This my friends is the meaning of all will see him coming in the clouds. It is an all or nothing event and we must participate by maturing into a unanimous state of one or we in affect, prevent it.

I have gone ahead into some revelation stuff and I want to cover more about bible verses regarding the beginning of our capitalistic behaviors so for tonight I will stop here. Thank you all for the time. Louis and bigd, I forgive you. Not a one of us are innocent accept that we all are inspired by God. You may not want to believe it but you are in this thread reading this, was it really what you chose to do with your time? Rhetorical. Isna, except when one does it for malicious intentions, I too like to and agree with all you described doing in your earlier post in this string. I have long appreciated your work as one of my favs here. dunn also?

P.S. Louis. I am neither a socialist nor a marxist. If I knew of a better label it would be Communist Christian I think. I am not afforded that option in the profile choices so I picked what I felt was the closest. Just saying. We believe God provides all and all including you and I(us)is his stuff.

1/29/2015 1:13:10 AM Turn the tables on the Pharisees  

shylywilling
Over 1,000 Posts (1,263)
Medford, OR
53, joined Jan. 2008


Chuckle at self. I tried to edit and fix your name Louie but for some reason it does not change. Sorry about that Louie.

1/29/2015 7:28:34 AM Turn the tables on the Pharisees  

bigd9832
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (14,061)
Chicago, IL
62, joined Oct. 2007


Quote from shylywilling:
I have gone ahead into some revelation stuff and I want to cover more about bible verses regarding the beginning of our capitalistic behaviors so for tonight I will stop here.


the Bible doesn't describe capitalistic behavior. And anyone who doesn't see that is missing the point of the Bible.

1/29/2015 8:35:50 PM Turn the tables on the Pharisees  

shylywilling
Over 1,000 Posts (1,263)
Medford, OR
53, joined Jan. 2008


Quote from bigd9832:
the Bible doesn't describe capitalistic behavior. And anyone who doesn't see that is missing the point of the Bible.


You are entitled to an opinion same as us.

1/29/2015 9:00:47 PM Turn the tables on the Pharisees  

mykkal
Irbil
Iraq
27, joined Mar. 2014


Quote from louie6332:
OP, I have never heard the warm safety of a mother’s womb described as “a dark, scary, isolated, and uncomfortable place” before Are you a hippy who never grew up? Are you bombed out of your head on drugs? And how is your in-your-face, what’s your’s is also mine, socialism working out for you?

You say: “We will need to sever the ambilical (sp) chord of capitalism that divides us and prevents us from believing in God, each other.” Go peddle your Marxist crap elsewhere. Are you clueless that the Marxists have murdered over two billion people worldwide so far in their so-called fifth column wars of liberation? And you ain’t seen nothing yet. Soon they will wage the Third World War against the West. How many Christians have to die before you realize that they are no friend of ours?

Louie



Lets get specific here Louie...

Marxist Jewish Bolshevicks have murdered millions in Russia and subsequently a billion people worldwide.

1/29/2015 11:12:43 PM Turn the tables on the Pharisees  

shylywilling
Over 1,000 Posts (1,263)
Medford, OR
53, joined Jan. 2008


Quote from mykkal:
Lets get specific here Louie...

Marxist Jewish Bolshevicks have murdered millions in Russia and subsequently a billion people worldwide.


I wonder what the count in the name of capitalism is? I wonder which is growing more rapidly also? Any one know?

1/30/2015 6:30:23 AM Turn the tables on the Pharisees  

bigd9832
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (14,061)
Chicago, IL
62, joined Oct. 2007


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