Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?

4/12/2015 8:51:49 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
erikbenn Spokane, WA 41, joined Nov. 2010	Where in the bible does it say we have to accept sin, or support to love the sinner? This a question I posed in other threads and I think it's a great topic for a thread. What are your thoughts on this and can you find where it says in the bible that we have to accept sin, or support sin to love the sinner? Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
4/12/2015 10:13:19 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
Equalizer21 Seattle, WA 52, joined Oct. 2014	Erik God rebukes and chastens those he loves. They have to turn from sin, to get the blessing, or healed and restored. I believe this is how the Gospel should be presented. This whole uproar in the forum shows us the fundemental differences we have of the Gospel and its presentation,and how different sects/divisions apply it. I call it the Smile God loves you version. vs Repent and believe the Gospel version. when you can identify the subtle differences between the two. Then your on solid ground. Some say, Jesus dined with sinners and reached out to them, and this is true to a certain degree. Yet we dont know the words at those dinners that were spoken of. We do see conviction and repentance though. So we dont know if Jesus said to them smile Gods loves you, or, he said repent at those dinners. Now outside of that, Jesus approach was to say: Mark 1 14 Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.” This rift we have in the forum is over two different gospel presentations, but also could be two different gospels. Acts 17 30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.
4/12/2015 11:21:22 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 60, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from erikbenn: Where in the bible does it say we have to accept sin, or support to love the sinner? This a question I posed in other threads and I think it's a great topic for a thread. What are your thoughts on this and can you find where it says in the bible that we have to accept sin, or support sin to love the sinner? The religious leaders of His day questioned Jesus' character for eating with some of the most notorious sinners in that population. But what was Jesus' purpose in doing that? So that those outcasts might know of the plan of salvation to rescue them from sin. Christians have an example from Jesus to love the sinner. But they ought NEVER in any way shape or form, to condone and accept the sinful lifestyles. NOTE the text: Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Not in their sins, but from them,
4/12/2015 11:29:32 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
erikbenn Spokane, WA 41, joined Nov. 2010	Excellent posts, Walt and Equalizer. And if God did accept sin then what good would Jesus dying on the cross have done? But, God hates sin and still loves us so much that He ransomed His own Son for us.
4/13/2015 1:47:48 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
share_n_love Fort Wayne, IN 60, joined Dec. 2012	It doesn't and those this thread is directed toward knows it doesn't.
4/13/2015 2:29:13 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
erikbenn Spokane, WA 41, joined Nov. 2010	I asked that question several times and, instead of answering it, I was told I was a lost cause and then blocked. [Edited 4/13/2015 2:29:40 AM ]
4/13/2015 6:39:48 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
a_nubian Columbus, OH 51, joined Jan. 2011 online now!	Quote from erikbenn: Where in the bible does it say we have to accept sin, or support to love the sinner? This a question I posed in other threads and I think it's a great topic for a thread. What are your thoughts on this and can you find where it says in the bible that we have to accept sin, or support sin to love the sinner? I saw what you posted and you asked valid questions. The convolution that somehow, a professed Christian who refuses to provide a service or render business to someone (specifically homosexual) whose behavior in practice and in lifestyle is in direct opposition to what is written in the bible is therefore less loving is not a fair assessment of Christian love. I think that, as well meaning as some are on this forum, those Christians who refuse non essential services, diminishes the Christian witness. This nation as well as the vast majority of all the other countries in the western hemisphere have Christian roots. There is virtually No Way any one growing up in the USA is taken by surprise that homosexuality is considered a sin in Christianity. Ian Mckellen (Lord of the Rings Gandalf) whenever he was in hotels, by his own confession, would tear out the pages in the bible that referred to homosexuality as a sin. I will echo what many have already stated or felt, that one can love the sinner but hate the sin.
4/13/2015 7:27:53 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
forumlurkingfun Chicago, IL 60, joined Mar. 2015	If you think it is possible to love the sinner and hate the sin (Jesus never said such a thing), then apply this equally to all sinners and sins. I only see this phrase applied to gays. Jesus also didn't appear to care that being seen with undesirable folks and/or sinners would be seen as endorsing their sin.
4/13/2015 9:03:00 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
Equalizer21 Seattle, WA 52, joined Oct. 2014	Forum says we have to apply the same measure to all, when in fact the extra special designation of Abomination, means some sin is worse than others and should be treated differently. We all know pedophillia is bad, because it is a crime against children. God attaches to this crime/sin the idea youd be better off tying a boulder on your back and jumping into the sea, rather than do such a thing and face the punishment! Well contrary to popular belief, why is it the same punishment when they all get thrown into the lake of fire? Its not, because there is torture. Having a big stone around your neck and drowning isnt all that gruesome, it would take what tops 5 minutes or so before your dead, so 5 minutes of torture drowning. Cast alive in a lake of fire to die, youd get what? 2 , 3 minutes of torture before you died..........Yet Jesus said: the punishment would be worse than that. Its easier to believe that Jesus loves you and places really no burden on you.(died for sins past present future and no cross bearing for you) Its easier to believe everyone gets saved! (false Jesus) To love the sinner and hate the sin, is to know the righteous judgement of God against sinners, and agreeing with that. Proverbs 8:13 The fear of the Lord is to hate evil; Then to love people enough to rescue them from it. Jude 1:23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh. vs 22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction; Making a distinction is to say,well this person has some Godly characteristics, and the other doesnt, this person eschews evil, but still needs Jesus, that person Loves evil and they need Jesus too. Making a distinction.............You dont treat all people the same. Like wica guy, hes pissed at the christians, so he would rather support gays against christians.......i suggested, maybe his ministry was to gays.......wereas, mine isnt. Likewise, my ministry might not be the same as Wica guys. God would equip us differently. Both wica and forum are on record for saying they hate adultery more, but if we hate homosexuality more, we are bad evil people. This is phariseeism. Why dont they practice what they preach instead of throwing stones at christians? Wica guys on the record for hating most christians anyways. [Edited 4/13/2015 9:05:21 AM ]
4/13/2015 11:01:57 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 62, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from erikbenn: I asked that question several times and, instead of answering it, I was told I was a lost cause and then blocked. You are a lost cause.
4/13/2015 11:46:21 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
josiemae Fayetteville, NC 59, joined Jan. 2008	Luke 6 (NKJV): 27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, 28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. 30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. 31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. 32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. 34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. 27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, 28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. 30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. 31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. 32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. 34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. There perhaps are other verses, but as we read through these verses, we can safely conclude that love is the answer for everyone, even our enemies. I may not like what they do to me, personally which can cause hatred, but I must find a pace in my heart to love them.
4/13/2015 12:00:29 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
forumlurkingfun Chicago, IL 60, joined Mar. 2015	Quote from josiemae: Luke 6 (NKJV): 27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, 28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. 30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. 31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. 32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. 34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. 27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, 28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. 30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. 31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. 32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. 34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful. 37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: 38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again. There perhaps are other verses, but as we read through these verses, we can safely conclude that love is the answer for everyone, even our enemies. I may not like what they do to me, personally which can cause hatred, but I must find a pace in my heart to love them. God is Love, Jesus is Love in human form. I am so thankful for divine love!
4/13/2015 6:55:04 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 62, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	We should hate the sin but love the sinner.
4/13/2015 7:04:34 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 47, joined Jun. 2008 online now!	Yes God is love. He is also a God of wrath. He is also a jealous God. He kicked adam out of the garden He flooded the world and saved only 8 He took the first born of all who didn't have blood on the door post He drown a whole army in the sea He allowed a whole generation to wonder and die in the wilderness. He rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah He took a child because of the father's sins He scattered his people because they were disobedient He destroyed jerusalem Now I still say God is love,
4/13/2015 7:25:13 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
Equalizer21 Seattle, WA 52, joined Oct. 2014	Yes God is love. He is also a God of wrath. He is also a jealous God. He kicked adam out of the garden He flooded the world and saved only 8 He took the first born of all who didn't have blood on the door post He drown a whole army in the sea He allowed a whole generation to wonder and die in the wilderness. He rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah He took a child because of the father's sins He scattered his people because they were disobedient He destroyed jerusalem Now I still say God is love, Got to agree with Loop here, there are a lot of things we disagree on, but it seems more and more we at least agree on some basic elementary principles. Loops Point here is, people Talk about God is love. Yet they seem toput the wrath part of him in a closet and never bring it out. That is not truly sharing God in all his glory. Not does it not ony show how unbalanced some people are in their theology, it shows that they are ashamed of a God of wrath and jealousy. I used to know a scripture, and i cant find it right now, it went something to the tune of. As great as his love, so is his wrath. I personally think its error for people to only present gods love, Scripture tell us that his wrath is a topic that we need to head. I also think this is part of the problem the last couple weeks, baby christians dont fully understand God, theyve only chose to present love. Thus putting the other part of God in a closet. Gods wrasth is also love. ================================================= Erik It makes me sick that bigd and Reesi have said your a lost cause. Thats some spiritually sick stuff to say. Dont listen to them. I see a lot of a mature christian in you and pretty solid with the word. Otherwise if you werent solid with the word, id be all over you like fly on stink... ================================================== Erik Your right, Britain was giant in this world till they lied to Israel. God said he would bless those who bless Jeruasalem, and curse those who curse it. Un fortunately, as much as there are many americans who support Israel and Jerusalem, even now. Just like Gays sex, America is going to turn its back on Israel. It fullfills prophecy. Thats doesnt mean God doesnt have his people who dont bow down to this junk! Obama Sux......
4/13/2015 11:14:46 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
erikbenn Spokane, WA 41, joined Nov. 2010	Before anyone starts bashing msreesi for saying I am a lost cause let me make it perfectly clear. I understand that she said what she said maybe, out of anger and frustration. I hold no grudge against her and have put it behind me. I suggest everyone else does the same.
4/14/2015 10:19:03 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
Equalizer21 Seattle, WA 52, joined Oct. 2014	Quote from erikbenn: Before anyone starts bashing msreesi for saying I am a lost cause let me make it perfectly clear. I understand that she said what she said maybe, out of anger and frustration. I hold no grudge against her and have put it behind me. I suggest everyone else does the same. Erik The fruit of the spirit is self-control. Not outbursts of wrath. How many times in this forum have we heard, oh i just have to say something? then people unload a tirade or something on someone else, then at the end of the sentence say, i know i shouldnt have done it, i couldnt help myself. Sure you can help yourself, yeild to the Holy spirit. Not the flesh. Theres lotsa things i could say, Ephesians 4:29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers. People want to hurt and bruise and wound others, thats why they say bad things. Its not love. If your going to preach love exclusively, then practice it exclusively.
4/14/2015 11:20:20 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 62, joined Oct. 2007	To answer your question... CLV John 13:34 "A new precept am I giving to you, that you be loving one another; according as I love you, that you also be loving one another. How much more simple can it get?
4/14/2015 8:53:44 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
msreesi Stout, OH 52, joined Jul. 2014	Quote from erikbenn: Before anyone starts bashing msreesi for saying I am a lost cause let me make it perfectly clear. I understand that she said what she said maybe, out of anger and frustration. I hold no grudge against her and have put it behind me. I suggest everyone else does the same. Thanks, Erik. No, I didn't say what I did out of anger. Mostly out of frustration, because I'd answered your question several times. The bad part of words on a screen- as I've said many, many times, is you don't know the feelings, you don't have the inflections on the words, so it can cause miscommunications. I didn't mean a lost cause as a person, but as in trying to get you to see what I was saying. I'm sorry, and hope you forgive me as well.
4/14/2015 8:58:18 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
Equalizer21 Seattle, WA 52, joined Oct. 2014	Quote from erikbenn: Before anyone starts bashing msreesi for saying I am a lost cause let me make it perfectly clear. I understand that she said what she said maybe, out of anger and frustration. I hold no grudge against her and have put it behind me. I suggest everyone else does the same. I think she blocked you in anger? i could be wrong?
4/14/2015 9:04:18 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
Equalizer21 Seattle, WA 52, joined Oct. 2014	Quote from erikbenn: Before anyone starts bashing msreesi for saying I am a lost cause let me make it perfectly clear. I understand that she said what she said maybe, out of anger and frustration. I hold no grudge against her and have put it behind me. I suggest everyone else does the same. Im not bashing either, im laughing and having fun, i thought the whole thing was cute.........i wanna say sorry here, but i would be lying. I will drop it outta respect for you though.
4/14/2015 11:00:48 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
erikbenn Spokane, WA 41, joined Nov. 2010	Quote from bigd9832: To answer your question... CLV John 13:34 "A new precept am I giving to you, that you be loving one another; according as I love you, that you also be loving one another. How much more simple can it get? Where does that say we have to love the sin that people do? The key factor in the verse is "as I have loved you." Jesus never loved the sin that people do. He forgave them for it, but He would always warn people about their sins.
4/14/2015 11:03:14 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 60, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from Equalizer21: We all know pedophillia is bad, because it is a crime against children. God attaches to this crime/sin the idea youd be better off tying a boulder on your back and jumping into the sea, rather than do such a thing and face the punishment! There are many studies that have shown that a very large percentage of homosexuals were homosexually abused as children So, we have the abusing homosexual, who was also a homosexually abused child, homosexually abusing children. Is this a matter of healing of judgment?
4/14/2015 11:04:08 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
erikbenn Spokane, WA 41, joined Nov. 2010	Quote from Equalizer21: Im not bashing either, im laughing and having fun, i thought the whole thing was cute.........i wanna say sorry here, but i would be lying. I will drop it outta respect for you though. Thanks and I appreciate that.
4/15/2015 4:15:36 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 62, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from erikbenn: Where does that say we have to love the sin that people do? The key factor in the verse is "as I have loved you." Jesus never loved the sin that people do. He forgave them for it, but He would always warn people about their sins. Now you are playing games. This is NOT the same question you asked in the title. Sin is based on death, so says Paul. When death is eliminated so will sin be eliminated. Yet God's people will still be here... CLV 1C 15:25 For He must be reigning until He which should be placing all His enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy is being abolished: death. CLV 1C 15:54 Now, whenever this corruptible should be putting on incorruption and this mortal should be putting on immortality, then shall come to pass the word which is written, Swallowed up was Death by Victory. 55 Where, O Death, is your victory? Where, O Death, is your sting?
4/15/2015 11:38:22 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
erikbenn Spokane, WA 41, joined Nov. 2010	Quote from msreesi: Thanks, Erik. No, I didn't say what I did out of anger. Mostly out of frustration, because I'd answered your question several times. The bad part of words on a screen- as I've said many, many times, is you don't know the feelings, you don't have the inflections on the words, so it can cause miscommunications. I didn't mean a lost cause as a person, but as in trying to get you to see what I was saying. I'm sorry, and hope you forgive me as well. Msreesi, I have put it past me and I forgive you.
4/15/2015 11:46:16 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
Equalizer21 Seattle, WA 52, joined Oct. 2014	Quote from erikbenn: Msreesi, I have put it past me and I forgive you. Your a better man than me.
4/16/2015 12:17:46 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
erikbenn Spokane, WA 41, joined Nov. 2010	How can we talk about Jesus and His teachings if we don't put them to practice in our own lives?
4/16/2015 12:32:56 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 62, joined Oct. 2007	But erik, You don't put His principles into practice in your own life. For example, how many have you brought to Christ in, say, the last month? What portion of your church are you running? CLV Mt 25:23 His lord averred to him, `Well done! good and faithful slave. Over a few were you faithful; over many will I place you. Enter into the joy of your lord!' Perhaps you have not been faithful over the few?
4/16/2015 12:43:45 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
erikbenn Spokane, WA 41, joined Nov. 2010	Bigd, I let God judge me, not you. You can brag all you want about how many people you think you lead to Christ, but if you don't tell them the truth of Jesus then you have lead them nowhere.
4/16/2015 1:06:27 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 62, joined Oct. 2007	As I have said before, I am not bragging. I am making a point. But I am doing what He told us to do. It's too bad you are not. Or are you bragging every time you tell people you are living a righteous life? Of course that is false.
4/16/2015 3:36:10 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 61, joined Mar. 2012	isna la wica This is Gods Law, as told to us by Christ. Matthew 5:41-45 English Standard Version (ESV) 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. This is Gods law, to we who are Christian. He was answered, multiple times on multiple threads. And it is a big fat lie, to claim that those who follow Gods law, are partaking in a sin, because they follow Gods law, and do not join in with the judges around here, who seek to oppress and condemn others who do not believe. Matthew 7:1-5 ESV “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. Luke 6:37 ESV “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; You who claim you are Christians? Have been given a task, and it is not to judge, condemn or oppress others of their sin. Your job is to share the Gospel.
4/16/2015 5:03:43 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 61, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from msreesi: Thanks, Erik. No, I didn't say what I did out of anger. Mostly out of frustration, because I'd answered your question several times. The bad part of words on a screen- as I've said many, many times, is you don't know the feelings, you don't have the inflections on the words, so it can cause miscommunications. I didn't mean a lost cause as a person, but as in trying to get you to see what I was saying. I'm sorry, and hope you forgive me as well. No idea why you think Eric deserves an apology. He and the other judges here, are running around accusing others of condoning sin, simply because we support freedom of Religion, and the right for others to believe as we do or not. Something Jesus was accused of doing by judges back in his day as well. They claim to be Christian, yet, show no love or compassion for those who are slaves to sin. And show a condemning spirit mixed with judgement, that drive people from receiving thee Gospel, that Jesus died for us, "wile we were still sinners"! No point quoting that verse again, this bunch simply ignores it anyway. And if someone accuses me of judging my self? Yep, we were told to test those that claim to be Christian, and to see if their doctrine is in line with what Jesus taught. But here again, they twist the truth , and claim they can use Bible passages written for we who believe, to appoint them selves judges on those that do not believe. How to tell, whether they speak the "truth" or not? Simple look at their fruits. If they did manage to stop any one from "sinning', what have they accomplished? Has one soul been saved? But then some here claim to reach Jesus by righteous living them selves, and deny that it is only by the Grace of God through his Son, that we are saved. I know I only became a Christ follower, in spite of most Christians, not because of them. And am more convinced than ever, that it is "Christians", who drive more people away from Christ, than any other group. Ever notice something? In discussions about Juadism , Bhuddism and Hinduism, when one disagrees with those religions, one always talks about the validity of their beliefs. But with Islam and Christianity? When one disagrees about them? It is the adherents that are used to prove their 'argument" against. But they claim they are soooo gooood , wow.
4/16/2015 6:50:49 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
deneez Rochester, MI 56, joined Apr. 2012	Matthew 7:1-5 ESV “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. Is He telling us not to judge OR, is it quite possibly He is telling us not to be a 'hypocrite'...and use the same yardstick to judge, as you judge yourself? WHEN I make a decision, I make it then I stand firm IF I've examined my conscience, prayed, sought sound advice, and searched within myself. Within this same logic, I apply this SAME principle to my brother who has made a decision that resulted in actions that were based on his religious principles/moral beliefs. Understanding this leads me then to rightly say "Who am I to judge"??????? This does not mean that decisions made can never be wrong. It means that those decisions that one truly believes comes from that small voice within...CANNOT be subject to judgment!
4/16/2015 6:59:27 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
deneez Rochester, MI 56, joined Apr. 2012	"Deep within his conscience man discovers a law which he has not laid upon himself but which he must obey. Its voice, ever calling him to love and to do what is good and to avoid evil, sounds in his heart at the right moment. . . . For man has in his heart a law inscribed by God. . . . His conscience is man's most secret core and his sanctuary. There he is alone with God whose voice echoes in his depths." Moral conscience, present at the heart of the person, enjoins him at the appropriate moment to do good and to avoid evil. It also judges particular choices, approving those that are good and denouncing those that are evil. It bears witness to the authority of truth in reference to the supreme Good to which the human person is drawn, and it welcomes the commandments. When he listens to his conscience, the prudent man can hear God speaking. Conscience is a judgment of reason whereby the human person recognizes the moral quality of a concrete act that he is going to perform, is in the process of performing, or has already completed. In all he says and does, man is obliged to follow faithfully what he knows to be just and right. It is by the judgment of his conscience that man perceives and recognizes the prescriptions of the divine law: Conscience is a law of the mind; yet [Christians] would not grant that it is nothing more; I mean that it was not a dictate, nor conveyed the notion of responsibility, of duty, of a threat and a promise. . . . [Conscience] is a messenger of him, who, both in nature and in grace, speaks to us behind a veil, and teaches and rules us by his representatives. Conscience is the aboriginal Vicar of Christ. Return to your conscience, question it. . . . Turn inward, brethren, and in everything you do, see God as your witness Hope you don't mind me taking this from the Catechism of the Catholic Church here erik... but I think it's important. Decent thread!
4/16/2015 7:57:45 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
deneez Rochester, MI 56, joined Apr. 2012	My conscience bids me to speak. From what I've read, Jesus was accused of forgiving sin...unutterable to the Scribes, a right only reserved for God! It would rightly appear the forgiving of sin precluded the Truth there WAS sin to begin with that needed to be forgiven, and then the admonishment to go and sin no more. A big problem with our society is there is no sin. Everyone is 'right' because we believe it to be so, my truth, your truth, his truth, her truth, it's all truth simply because we believe it. The beauty of Christianity and HIs ultimate sacrifice (a word not within the secular vocabulary) is that we are not left with an uninformed conscience....we are not left to the enlightenment of society, but called to the renewal of our minds in the enlightenment of Christ. A BIG difference! If we believe there is no truth or concrete absolutes, we, by our own logic deceive ourselves. The belief that there is no right way, no wrong way, attempts to rally this false notion and masquerades as an absolute belief! ha ha ha ha ....the irony of it all!! I would suggest on this subject we ARE left with an absolute Truth. Can a man actually 'marry' another man and can I look to the Divine Law for absolute truth? Even anthropologically (the way were made speaks to the Divine Truth)! Does Truth make us a 'hater'? Was Jesus an absolute Truth?
4/16/2015 8:02:43 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 61, joined Mar. 2012	Quote from deneez: Is He telling us not to judge OR, is it quite possibly He is telling us not to be a 'hypocrite'...and use the same yardstick to judge, as you judge yourself? WHEN I make a decision, I make it then I stand firm IF I've examined my conscience, prayed, sought sound advice, and searched within myself. Within this same logic, I apply this SAME principle to my brother who has made a decision that resulted in actions that were based on his religious principles/moral beliefs. Understanding this leads me then to rightly say "Who am I to judge"??????? This does not mean that decisions made can never be wrong. It means that those decisions that one truly believes comes from that small voice within...CANNOT be subject to judgment! What good does judgement of non believers do? If you get some one to stop sinning, but they do not accept Christ, has their soul been saved? If one gets every Gay, to turn straight, has any soul been saved by that? Salvation comes only from Jesus, " for all none come to the Father, but through me", Jesus said. So even if you can get every sinner to quit their sin, but they have not "met" Jesus , what has been accomplished? Another thing. What human can see what is in anothers heart? What intent is in there? Only Jesus can do that. One does not know, why another is Gay, or any thing else for that matter. Lets use another example. One can say, a Soldier or a Police man, is not committing murder, if he kills to protect an innocent life. But then again, only the one pulling the trigger and God , knows the intent in his heart . Maybe we are enjoying it, so that intent would mean one is a Murderer. If some one, breaks into a store, lets say, out in the middle of no where, to get medical supplies to save a life, one cannot claim that then is a sin. Because it is the intent in the heart, not the act, which makes a sin a sin. Who, here is qualified, to read a heart? Cannot quote right now, having computer issues. But your own catechisms also back this up. ( Great stuff btw, I really appreciate your Church making them available on line) Just read an interesting essay this morning, by a person named Jean Guitton, called 'Essay On Human Love". In it he states this: "this is precisely what transpires in human love, by its dual movement: namely the movement to to sublimate the movements of the flesh by making them vehicles of spiritual values, ultimately of that charity which is full filled in the creation of the human person Page 930, taken from Master Pieces Of Catholic Literature in Summary form. If one wants to look this book up at the Library, the reference number is 270.08 MAS V.2 Author is Magil. Anyway, read that and thought of this place and how so many claim they love the sinner, hate the sin, and that they are justified in condemning sin in non believers. I thought, how is that possible? If you define a person by their sin, as so many do Gays? Then how can one look at them, and show them the type of love, Jesus taught us to have? How can we , "them vehicles of spiritual values"? Are we , when we condemn a person as a "particular type" of sinner, or when we classify a sinner, seeing them as a Gay person that needs to turn straight, or as a sinner like any of us, that needs Jesus Christ? Judging a non believer for any particular sin, is not leading them to Christ. It does focus on the sin only. And it is not being a thief, or a Gay that keeps them from knowing God, it is their knowing Jesus that keeps them from knowing God.
4/16/2015 9:32:40 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
deneez Rochester, MI 56, joined Apr. 2012	What good does judgement of non believers do? Then let's judge those that are considered 'within', so we can remove this evil man (the bigots, and haters) from amongst ourselves. St. Paul would agree with this: But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler-- not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. Have these cakers, bakers and candle stick makers been immoral, covetous, idolaters, revilers, drunkards, have they swindled...withheld charity from the underprivileged, have they denied the Gospel, and how? I'd like to be their defense. This is taken from a google search entitled 'A Clarification on the Meaning of Conscience'....I believe it is very good. Feel free to rebuttal: In its truest sense, conscience is the intellectual apprehension of the Divine Law. For this reason, Divine Law is primary. In his Letter to the Duke of Norfolk, Newman quotes Cardinal Gousset, who writes: "The Divine Law is the supreme rule of actions; our thoughts, desires, words, acts, all that man is, is subject to the domain of the law of God; and this law is the rule of our conduct by means of our conscience. Hence it is never lawful to go against our conscience." Essentially, conscience is one's best judgment, in a given situation, on what here and now is to be done as good, or to be avoided as evil. Because conscience is one's best judgment, hic et nunc, a person has a duty to obey it. The Fourth Lateran Council says: "He who acts against his conscience loses his soul". Moreover, the duty to obey one's conscience includes an erroneous conscience. For example, if, as a result of being brought up by neurotic parents, I judge that in this particular situation right now, drinking this cup of Tim Horton's coffee is contrary to God's will, then I have a duty not to drink the cup of coffee. Should the Pope or a local Bishop try to persuade me that there is nothing sinful in drinking a cup of coffee, yet for some reason I continue to judge, erroneously, that drinking this cup of coffee would offend my Creator, I must nonetheless follow my conscience and not drink the coffee. The reason is that if I were to drink it, I'd be doing what in my best judgment is morally wrong. This is what is meant by the "primacy of conscience", that is, conscience having the final word on what I ought to do in the here and now situation. Speaking of coffee, gotta go.
4/16/2015 9:40:09 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
deneez Rochester, MI 56, joined Apr. 2012	One more thing. Saint Paul respected conscience...it is an early Church teaching. I've used this before: From Romans: One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Keep in mind, he is speaking to the brethren within.
4/16/2015 10:03:46 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
Equalizer21 Seattle, WA 52, joined Oct. 2014	Deneez says: Then let's judge those that are considered 'within', so we can remove this evil man (the bigots, and haters) from amongst ourselves. I got a kick out of this one! Actually though, in 1 cor 5 it says "revilers" are to be put out of the church too! Ah ha......whats a reviler? Someone murmuring and complaining all the time?
4/16/2015 10:41:29 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
isna_la_wica Brantford, ON 61, joined Mar. 2012	Then let's judge those that are considered 'within', so we can remove this evil man (the bigots, and haters) from amongst ourselves. St. Paul would agree with this: But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler-- not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. Have these cakers, bakers and candle stick makers been immoral, covetous, idolaters, revilers, drunkards, have they swindled...withheld charity from the underprivileged, have they denied the Gospel, and how? I'd like to be their defense. This is taken from a google search entitled 'A Clarification on the Meaning of Conscience'....I believe it is very good. Feel free to rebuttal: In its truest sense, conscience is the intellectual apprehension of the Divine Law. For this reason, Divine Law is primary. In his Letter to the Duke of Norfolk, Newman quotes Cardinal Gousset, who writes: "The Divine Law is the supreme rule of actions; our thoughts, desires, words, acts, all that man is, is subject to the domain of the law of God; and this law is the rule of our conduct by means of our conscience. Hence it is never lawful to go against our conscience." Essentially, conscience is one's best judgment, in a given situation, on what here and now is to be done as good, or to be avoided as evil. Because conscience is one's best judgment, hic et nunc, a person has a duty to obey it. The Fourth Lateran Council says: "He who acts against his conscience loses his soul". Moreover, the duty to obey one's conscience includes an erroneous conscience. For example, if, as a result of being brought up by neurotic parents, I judge that in this particular situation right now, drinking this cup of Tim Horton's coffee is contrary to God's will, then I have a duty not to drink the cup of coffee. Should the Pope or a local Bishop try to persuade me that there is nothing sinful in drinking a cup of coffee, yet for some reason I continue to judge, erroneously, that drinking this cup of coffee would offend my Creator, I must nonetheless follow my conscience and not drink the coffee. The reason is that if I were to drink it, I'd be doing what in my best judgment is morally wrong. This is what is meant by the "primacy of conscience", that is, conscience having the final word on what I ought to do in the here and now situation. Interesting read. I actually agree with this in many ways. For example, I am not a pacifist at all. In fact, think it is wrong not to protect when it is in our ability to do so. People who know me, are surprised when I stand up for those who are Conscientcious Objectors. But I associate the oath I took to protect freedom with others rights to promote what I disagree with. Its kinda like your previous post of the "truth". Yes, I believe that there is absolute "truth". How ever, I also believe that each individual has the right to search for it them selves, and to declare their 'absolute truth even if it is against what I believe ,as long as they do not hurt other people. deneez One more thing. Saint Paul respected conscience...it is an early Church teaching. I've used this before: From Romans: One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Keep in mind, he is speaking to the brethren within. Ok, point made. But when one goes public, and claims that their 'conscience", is what represents Christianity, and every one else should use that as yard stick as to what is Christian? Then it is fair game, to question what they say. When one claims, that being nice to sinners is endorsing that sin, like what many here are doing? Then they need to back up why that oppression they advocate for, is what Christ taught us. And no, Christ did not teach us not to sell food, flowers or deliver pizza for example. {No need to reply, I will not be back here at this thread. Just waiting my 24 hours now, so I can block this op and a few others who twist a stand for freedom as actually partaking and endorsing sin.] Now, I have to go get a Tims, lol, no Car either today, so will have to bike I guess.
4/16/2015 7:39:15 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
Equalizer21 Seattle, WA 52, joined Oct. 2014	1 cor 6 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? 2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? 4 If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge? 5 I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren? 6 But brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers! 7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. It sounds like in vs 9, paul is equating vs 1-9 as unrighteous, and reminding people unrighteous behavior as a christian, will not let you enter Gods kingdom.
4/16/2015 11:50:42 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
erikbenn Spokane, WA 41, joined Nov. 2010	This thread is not about judgement. please stick to the topic of the thread.
4/17/2015 12:25:35 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
erikbenn Spokane, WA 41, joined Nov. 2010	Quote from isna_la_wica: No idea why you think Eric deserves an apology. Because she has a good heart and good character to her.
4/17/2015 2:23:38 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 62, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from erikbenn: This thread is not about judgement. please stick to the topic of the thread. Actually, it is about judgment. Not God's judgment, but men's. It's about how you judge others.
4/17/2015 2:26:59 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
erikbenn Spokane, WA 41, joined Nov. 2010	Quote from bigd9832: Actually, it is about judgment. Not God's judgment, but men's. It's about how you judge others. No, Bigd, it's about "Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?" Please stick to the subject. There are other threads about judgment.
4/17/2015 5:29:20 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 62, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from erikbenn: Where in the bible does it say we have to accept sin, or support to love the sinner? So which is it? This is the question in your OP. You sound very confused. The fact is we are supposed to love the sinner. And we are not in any position to judge anyone. CLV Mt 7:1 "Do not judge, lest you may be judged, Tell me, who have you been judging?
4/17/2015 5:04:22 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
Equalizer21 Seattle, WA 52, joined Oct. 2014	Quote from erikbenn: This thread is not about judgement. please stick to the topic of the thread. Ok, np, sorry. When you mean accept people who are sinning and tolerate it, thats love? Yeah , well we love them enough to tell them they cant continue to sin. We love them enough at some point we even break off fellowship with. God does it! We he says nothing will snatch us out of his hands, nothing will, but you can choose to leave. Thats what sin is, choosing to leave God, not obey him, walk in unbelief.
4/18/2015 12:24:03 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
erikbenn Spokane, WA 41, joined Nov. 2010	Quote from bigd9832: So which is it? This is the question in your OP. You sound very confused. The fact is we are supposed to love the sinner. And we are not in any position to judge anyone. CLV Mt 7:1 "Do not judge, lest you may be judged, Tell me, who have you been judging? where in the bible does it say to love the sin that the sinner does? [Edited 4/18/2015 12:24:20 AM ]
4/18/2015 7:47:03 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
josiemae Fayetteville, NC 59, joined Jan. 2008	Quote from Equalizer21: 1 cor 6 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? 2 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life? 4 If then you have judgments concerning things pertaining to this life, do you appoint those who are least esteemed by the church to judge? 5 I say this to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you, not even one, who will be able to judge between his brethren? 6 But brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers! 7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. It sounds like in vs 9, paul is equating vs 1-9 as unrighteous, and reminding people unrighteous behavior as a christian, will not let you enter Gods kingdom. ",..the saints WILL judge the world..." Is it now or WILL it be when Christ returns? What I can determine is judgment WILL not take place until Jesus returns. We are here to live an exemplified life - one that shows that we are models of Christ. We now live in a world where we are tempted and fall short of God's glory. We will be and should be overcomers of the wiles of Satan. Christ too was tempted like us but he too is an overcomer. He did not judge in His debut on this earth. He showed love and, though tempted by satan, he refused to do the commands of the devil. He endured all the pains on the cross and shows us that he is fit to judge us...again, he overcame the sinful nature. So we aught to be like Him...overcomers to judge others.
4/18/2015 10:52:00 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
Equalizer21 Seattle, WA 52, joined Oct. 2014	Quote from josiemae: ",..the saints WILL judge the world..." Is it now or WILL it be when Christ returns? What I can determine is judgment WILL not take place until Jesus returns. We are here to live an exemplified life - one that shows that we are models of Christ. We now live in a world where we are tempted and fall short of God's glory. We will be and should be overcomers of the wiles of Satan. Christ too was tempted like us but he too is an overcomer. He did not judge in His debut on this earth. He showed love and, though tempted by satan, he refused to do the commands of the devil. He endured all the pains on the cross and shows us that he is fit to judge us...again, he overcame the sinful nature. So we aught to be like Him...overcomers to judge others. This is about Judging and Erik has asked us to stay on topic. So i will carry this over to my thread, "Saints will Judge the world thread". If you wish, you may see the reply there.
4/18/2015 11:24:10 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
erikbenn Spokane, WA 41, joined Nov. 2010	Quote from Equalizer21: This is about Judging and Erik has asked us to stay on topic. So i will carry this over to my thread, "Saints will Judge the world thread". If you wish, you may see the reply there. Thank you, Equalizer. So let me ask you and everyone else this. In what way do you love the sinner without loving the sin they do?
4/18/2015 11:29:31 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 62, joined Oct. 2007	Quote from erikbenn: where in the bible does it say to love the sin that the sinner does? This is a very different question than the one from the title of this thread. You are very confused.
4/18/2015 11:30:20 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
Equalizer21 Seattle, WA 52, joined Oct. 2014	Quote from erikbenn: Thank you, Equalizer. So let me ask you and everyone else this. In what way do you love the sinner without loving the sin they do? Well for me personally, i am straight up and bold. I can suffer long and be gentle andkind and loving, not behaving rudely or puffed up, firm telling people you cant go to heaven practicing sins. I can also suffer long and be gentile and kind in telling people Jesus loves them. different message to different people, yet the love and gentleness and kindness and self-control is there. Empowered by the spirit, to be able to speak two different message's (the whole message is Love), without compromising love. Sharp rebuke....like you viper, how can escape the condemnation of hell....is love too!
4/18/2015 11:42:03 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
looptex1 Chatsworth, GA 47, joined Jun. 2008 online now!	Quote from erikbenn: Thank you, Equalizer. So let me ask you and everyone else this. In what way do you love the sinner without loving the sin they do? What is love? Would it be considered love if ones desired not to see one suffer? Would it not be considered love if one desired not for one to be lost? Would it not be considered love if one desired not to see one being hungry or unclothed. There is many many ways I love sinners, yet I do not love their sin. I help them when in need, rather than deny because of their sin. I feed or cloth them, rather than say be hungry ye adulterous man. I offer comfort rather than say you deserve what you got. I pray that they may come to know the lord jesus christ rather than hope the murderer goes to hell. I can love a sinner, and hate the sin. I can love a sinner and not compromise my faith. I can warn someone from walking off a cliff and that is love. I tell my kids not to run with scissors because I love them, why should I not tell those sinning not to sin.
4/18/2015 12:09:28 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
erikbenn Spokane, WA 41, joined Nov. 2010	Quote from bigd9832: This is a very different question than the one from the title of this thread. You are very confused. Fine then.......Where in the bible does it say we have to accept sin to love the sinner?
4/24/2015 10:14:03 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
Equalizer21 Seattle, WA 52, joined Oct. 2014	Quote from looptex1: What is love? Would it be considered love if ones desired not to see one suffer? Would it not be considered love if one desired not for one to be lost? Would it not be considered love if one desired not to see one being hungry or unclothed. There is many many ways I love sinners, yet I do not love their sin. I help them when in need, rather than deny because of their sin. I feed or cloth them, rather than say be hungry ye adulterous man. I offer comfort rather than say you deserve what you got. I pray that they may come to know the lord jesus christ rather than hope the murderer goes to hell. I can love a sinner, and hate the sin. I can love a sinner and not compromise my faith. I can warn someone from walking off a cliff and that is love. I tell my kids not to run with scissors because I love them, why should I not tell those sinning not to sin. Exactly. God rebukes and chastens those he loves.
4/24/2015 11:41:42 PM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 60, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from looptex1: What is love? Would it be considered love if ones desired not to see one suffer? Would it not be considered love if one desired not for one to be lost? Would it not be considered love if one desired not to see one being hungry or unclothed. There is many many ways I love sinners, yet I do not love their sin. I help them when in need, rather than deny because of their sin. I feed or cloth them, rather than say be hungry ye adulterous man. I offer comfort rather than say you deserve what you got. I pray that they may come to know the lord jesus christ rather than hope the murderer goes to hell. I can love a sinner, and hate the sin. I can love a sinner and not compromise my faith. I can warn someone from walking off a cliff and that is love. I tell my kids not to run with scissors because I love them, why should I not tell those sinning not to sin. Well said. Thanks, Loop.
4/25/2015 10:13:20 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
bigd9832 Chicago, IL 62, joined Oct. 2007	Maybe you can tell us where in the Bible it says it is OK to judge a sinner?
4/25/2015 10:35:52 AM	Where in the bible does it say we have 2 accept sin 2 love the sinner?
erikbenn Spokane, WA 41, joined Nov. 2010	God is the only that can judge a sinner. And when He tells you not to live in sin, or have anything to do with sin you better listen, because He will judge you, unless you truly repent your sins.

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