Demonizing women; Catholic church

3/4/2014 10:06:29 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	This questions have always run inside my head. I would like to find out why Christianity demonizes women. Is demonizing women a sign of hidden homosexuality? Why sex is also demonized? Why, a child needs to be "cleansed" from the sin of conception? Why the Catholic church is so scared of sex and women? Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
3/4/2014 10:09:16 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
jim_a49 Bellevue, WA 66, joined Dec. 2010	famous poet Abu Nuwas: O the joy of sodomy! So now be sodomites, you Arabs. Turn not away from it-- therein is wondrous pleasure. Take some coy lad with kiss-curls twisting on his temple and ride as he stands like some gazelle standing to her mate. A lad whom all can see girt with sword and belt not like your wh*re who has to go veiled. Make for smooth-faced boys and do your very best to mount them, for women are the mounts of the devils
3/4/2014 10:30:59 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from jim_a49: famous poet Abu Nuwas: O the joy of sodomy! IAW, you affirm that homosexuality is the core of the problem?
3/4/2014 10:35:28 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
jim_a49 Bellevue, WA 66, joined Dec. 2010	Considering abstinence is mandatory, or at least was, it would attract a person with some sexual problems in the first place. It seems there is a lot of deviant sex, in all religions, where normal is not allowed.
3/4/2014 11:06:29 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	Dang ,I'd settle for normal lol. They really did a number on Mary Magdelene, as well as any other Goddess type. I have no doubt that the stuff we could find in the vatican archives, would be shocking to some. I'm numb to it, not shocked, but convinced of the demonization of women, they also killed a famous woman warrior , none other than Joan of Arc.
3/4/2014 11:35:35 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 62, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Christianity and Catholicism do not, and never did, demonize women. It was Judaism and Christianity that uplifted women--in most pagan cultures women are nothing but chattle property. They certainly are considered that way in Muslim countries. There is no such thing as a sin of conception. Conceiving and bearing babies, if the parents are married to each other, far from being a sin, is considered to be a good work in the Catholic religion. Motherhood is greatly valued and honored in the Catholic religion. There is such a thing as original sin, the sin we inherit from our first parents Adam and Eve, but this has nothing to do with sex. It is not sex, but the misuse of sex, that Catholicism and Christianity are against.
3/4/2014 11:46:58 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	Quote from ludlowlowell: Christianity and Catholicism do not, and never did, demonize women. It was Judaism and Christianity that uplifted women--in most pagan cultures women are nothing but chattle property. They certainly are considered that way in Muslim countries. There is no such thing as a sin of conception. Conceiving and bearing babies, if the parents are married to each other, far from being a sin, is considered to be a good work in the Catholic religion. Motherhood is greatly valued and honored in the Catholic religion. There is such a thing as original sin, the sin we inherit from our first parents Adam and Eve, but this has nothing to do with sex. It is not sex, but the misuse of sex, that Catholicism and Christianity are against. IMO ,Muslims dish out their brand of demonizing of women ,that's true. We , however, Lud, are not speaking of Muslims. We are speaking of the Church. Please give me a source that leads you to believe that Pagans treated women like chattle property. That sounds more like the Goddess less Catholic Church, where they simply disguise her through saints and Mother Mary. Mary Magdelene is making her return from suspression. The Goddess is re-emerging whether you recognize it not. Pagans, for the most part revere women ,and the Goddess with in them!!! IMO the misuse of sexual energy is how through nothing less than brute force,( the male energies) tipping the balance to a patriarchal prison for women, women were made to behave. Unto death!!!
3/4/2014 3:47:32 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from ludlowlowell: Christianity and Catholicism do not, and never did, demonize women. It was Judaism and Christianity that uplifted women--in most pagan cultures women are nothing but chattle property. They certainly are considered that way in Muslim countries. Really, lud, Catholicism never demonized women? Are you sure? Gee, I knew you were going to be the one to say something stupid. Irish Women and Catholicism (11/13/12) ‘Tis only meself on the altar stone of the Drombeg Stone Circle in County Cork When Saint Patrick arrived in Ireland, allegedly circa AD 428, the Irish had their own religion, Druidism. Patrick lived as a slave and then escaped Ireland, leaving behind a foreign land, people, and religion. Like many other indigenous tribes throughout the world, the Celts of Ireland worshipped the world that surrounded them. The Eskimo, Native American Indian and so many other tribes worshipped in similar ways. The forest, rivers, mountains and weather all influenced the belief system of the Celts. Mother earth, or mother goddess, was revered. Women were held in high esteem because they could give birth, and the most important woman in many tribes was the mid-wife. This was contested by the cult of the head, warriors who made life taking more revered than life-giving,and transitioned a matriarchal society into a patriarchal society, and that transition was far from peaceful. Along comes Patrick, now a Catholic bishop, and according to Patrick himself in his own words,”I saw a man coming, as it were from Ireland. His name was Victoricus, and he carried many letters, and he gave me one of them. I read the heading: “The Voice of the Irish”. As I began the letter, I imagined in that moment that I heard the voice of those very people who were near the wood of Foclut, which is beside the western sea—and they cried out, as with one voice: “We appeal to you, holy servant boy, to come and walk among us.” doubt very much that the Irish “appealed” for Patrick to come back and “walk among them.” Because the Druids and Druidism still existed in Ireland, the Irish had a religion. Yes, the cult of the head caused a major shift in societal ideology, but let’s face it, most people lived isolated lives on crannogs, peaceful lives. The warrior cult of the head existed most likely by the shoreline, battling off invasions from mainland Europe.Patrick’s conversion of the Irish from Druidism to Catholicism reminds me of the assimilation of human to cyborg; it had to be done gradually, retaining aspects of the former, but coercing the new ideology into the new structure. When Patrick arrived in Ireland he witnessed a fully functional religion that contradicted the religion he belonged to, Catholicism. Patrick was an ordained bishop when he returned to Ireland in AD 428 (c.) and he was adamant that the old ways would only survive if they melded themselves with the new. The earlier post entitled The Lucky Four Leaf Clover: Celtic Christianity at it’s best is a small snippet of information about how an aspect of Celtic life was taken, twisted and implemented into the new faith. In the new faith, women were demonized. There are stone carvings over a number of castles, churches, and towers in Ireland called Sheela na Gig; to date 101 such carvings have been found. These carvings are of grotesque women, exposing their private body parts. I can’t think of a better method of demonizing women. And believe it or not, these Sheela na Gigs are carved above church doorways. . The severe type of Catholicism that existed in Ireland is connected to Jansenism, a theological movement that began in France. It advocated receiving communion and confession daily in order to save your soul. It was a severe form of Christianity, advocating depriving oneself and predestination of souls. Another factor that affected the Type of Catholicism was the teachings of Saint Paul, particularly his teachings about women in Catholicism, which, believe it or not, are based on women of the Jewish faith. Paul, I have a big problem using the word Saint with him, suggested that women were not good enough to serve, teach or vote in religions affairs or the church. Paul is the reason my mother had to cover her head with a mantilla when she went to mass, and he is also the reason she had to be “churched” or blessed and purified after giving birth. When I think of how the Irish viewed sex and women in those early days of Catholicism, is it any wonder that monks were beating the arses off themselves with nettles in their beehive huts? “Sex is bad, WHACK!” They did a great job on the Book of Kells though.
3/4/2014 4:35:09 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	Stellar post , Duchessa!!! This is exactly what , I'm talkin' about!!
3/4/2014 5:22:03 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	Good question for him!! See what he says .......if ya can get him to answer.
3/4/2014 6:06:01 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from woodsmamma: Stellar post , Duchessa!!! This is exactly what , I'm talkin' about!! Thanks, I had the post ready before I started the thread BECAUSE I KNEW LUDWELL WOULD SAY WHAT HE DID.
3/4/2014 6:46:54 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
allen281 Lisbon, OH 59, joined Oct. 2012	Quote from mr_oldgeezer: A question for ludlowlowell; What is the Malleus Maleficarum ? are you familiar with it? Wasn't that when two Catholics set out to destroy woman who did thing in a different manner, in Latin it was called " Hammer of the witches " even if a woman remained a single woman, she was seen as a witch, if they were, then i guess every single woman must be a witch and every man who married a woman, is married to a witch, those two Catholics were the crazy one's.
3/4/2014 7:34:00 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from allen281: Wasn't that when two Catholics set out to destroy woman who did thing in a different manner, in Latin it was called " Hammer of the witches " even if a woman remained a single woman, she was seen as a witch, if they were, then i guess every single woman must be a witch and every man who married a woman, is married to a witch, those two Catholics were the crazy one's. The wikipedia article you copy / paste above info. from also provides an extended more clear explanation.
3/4/2014 7:46:37 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	Quote from allen281: Wasn't that when two Catholics set out to destroy woman who did thing in a different manner, in Latin it was called " Hammer of the witches " even if a woman remained a single woman, she was seen as a witch, if they were, then i guess every single woman must be a witch and every man who married a woman, is married to a witch, those two Catholics were the crazy one's. Yea, allen , see why I am glad it's not back in the day, heck they want to shut me up now, I'd have been doomed in the old days.
3/5/2014 7:02:50 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	ludlowlowell What's the matter, lud...did my post shut your mouth...or you, finally, learned to do some research before posting your baseless comments? All of you Christians yell and scream when the non-believers "dis-respect" your faith...but, dear, most of you Christians/ believers resource to any and everything -such as lies- to protect the image of and institution the world already knows is and always has been corrupt. [Edited 3/5/2014 7:03:08 AM ]
3/5/2014 7:21:26 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
jediknight2003 New Caney, TX 31, joined Jan. 2013
3/5/2014 7:23:02 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	Great share!!
3/5/2014 7:45:45 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	jediknight2003 Excellent...!!!!
3/5/2014 8:47:39 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
jim_a49 Bellevue, WA 66, joined Dec. 2010	Remember when Sex was dirty. And Air was clean.
3/5/2014 8:54:13 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	Quote from jim_a49: Remember when Sex was dirty. And Air was clean. I like the clean air part!! I was always rebellious when it came to thinking that sex was dirty!!! You just gotta take more showers!!
3/5/2014 9:01:18 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
jim_a49 Bellevue, WA 66, joined Dec. 2010	Quote from woodsmamma: I like the clean air part!! I was always rebellious when it came to thinking that sex was dirty!!! You just gotta take more showers!! shouldn't you be in the kitchen.
3/5/2014 9:07:38 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from jim_a49: Remember when Sex was dirty. And Air was clean. No, I am not that old....lol
3/5/2014 9:13:26 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from jim_a49: shouldn't you be in the kitchen. Never mind making a coffee for him...for recovery..and if the prolactin effect doesn't start too soon...
3/5/2014 9:28:20 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	Quote from jim_a49: shouldn't you be in the kitchen. How do you know I'm not??? Why what are you gonna cook for me???
3/5/2014 10:36:21 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	Another proof of women being demonized by the church were the Magdalene Laundries; the last one, in Ireland, was closed down in 1996....Pretty actual history if I may say so. The famous singer Sinnead O'Connor was a victim of this "correction facilities" run by the nuns. Sinnead O'Connor is the Irish singer whom, on stage, riped apart a picture of then Pope Jhon Paul II
3/6/2014 7:32:43 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	The True Scandal of the Magdalene Laundries Sidonie Sawyer Posted: 12/30/2013 12:33 pm The newly released movie Philomena, from British filmmaker Stephen Frears, starring Judi Dench and Steve Coogan, is inspired by a tragic book written by Martin Sixsmith. It is the true story of a woman searching for her lost son, a lifelong quest that will take her from the UK to America, a desperate quest and heart-wrenching saga. Taking place in Ireland, which explains some of the conservative positions of the highly Catholic society in which she lives, Philomena, the woman in the film, found herself pregnant out of wedlock (such a word) shipped away to a convent of sort, and forced by nuns to give up her baby boy to a rich family. The only choice available to her in those days, and in that society, was to live in hiding in one of the many "asylums" suited for scandalous behaviors and unspeakable actions, mostly errors of the flesh. It is highly probable that none of the residents were actually insane. Guarded by nuns, the women were subject to forced unpaid labor for the benefit of the Catholic Church. These medieval and cruel institutions were known in Ireland as the Magdalene Laundries, maybe referring to the work the jailed victims were doing, and so named after Mary Magdalene, who was wrongly thought to be a prostitute. Several such places existed in Australia, England, Ireland and even in North America. Locked away with no identities, no visits, no human rights, the women were treated as criminals without any trials and no judgments. They had to scrub prison floors, cook for the nuns, take care of aging prisoners and other tasks nobody wanted to do. They all lost their children to adoptive families chosen by the nuns. From 1765 to the late 1990, about 30,000 women were incarcerated and deprived of normal lives for a youth mischief that their own church was not able to forgive. Supported by the State and the Church, the goal of theses institutions was to rehabilitate "fallen" women into society, but in reality, their return to freedom was seldom a fact. In 2001, the Irish Government admitted that the Magdalene Laundries were places of abuse. In 2011, the United Nations Committee Against Torture urged Ireland to investigate the facts and truth of the government involvement. In 2013, the panel found evidence of verbal abuse, and Ireland's Prime Minister Enda Kenny issued a full state apology to the victims, calling them the "nation's shame". The last Laundry in Ireland closed in 1996.
3/6/2014 8:10:44 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	That is a great post, Duchessa, I've read about that before, thanks for providing this post about this.
3/6/2014 8:23:46 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from woodsmamma: That is a great post, Duchessa, I've read about that before, thanks for providing this post about this. See, I know i posted this info. in the past....but brainless people -we know few in DH- must be told how ignorant they sound when making statements the entire world knows are wrong.
3/6/2014 3:12:16 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
d_voted Winnipeg, MB 63, joined Sep. 2008	Quote from duchessa: Thanks, I had the post ready before I started the thread BECAUSE I KNEW LUDWELL WOULD SAY WHAT HE DID. When someone says, "Have a blessed day." or "Merry Christmas" or "God bless you." it offends you. This thread has but one purpose and you stated it clearly above. You amuse yourself setting traps for others in order to abuse, insult and 'demonize' them. Hope you are having fun with that. As this is a 'dating site' it is wonderful when people show their real characters. It makes it easier for those of us who have the horrible habit of trusting others. I am looking for peace in my life. Ephesians 4:31 "Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice." I have had enough of the opposite. D God Bless You and all Your Friends
3/6/2014 3:44:24 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	d_voted ""When someone says, "Have a blessed day." or "Merry Christmas" or "God bless you." it offends you."" More than offending me it does show that person didn't care to read my profile. ""You amuse yourself setting traps for others in order to abuse, insult and 'demonize' them."" You need to learn to read what I wrote...since I clearly said I laughed at the guy who INSULTED ME FOR DELETING HIS MAIL. ""As this is a 'dating site' it is wonderful when people show their real characters. It makes it easier for those of us who have the horrible habit of trusting others."" Exactly my point; when they say "God Bless" and the likes they show me that part of their character I don't like...and it has nothing to do with trust/ lack of.
3/6/2014 3:49:11 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from d_voted: God Bless You and all Your Friends What have I done to you for you to keep offending me? I would never say "Happy Atheism" to you because I know it would bother you. You don't know me and, trust me, if you could talk to my friends and students they will set you straight.
3/6/2014 3:51:51 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	Kinda self righteous.IMO You would accuse, point fingers, rant and rave,(I've heard you before many times), then go over to post in a pretty scketchy thread that you are runnin', ohhhhh seems like castin' stones there brother.
3/6/2014 4:14:44 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	m d_voted ""This thread has but one purpose and you stated it clearly above."" Yes, this thread has but one purpose: To show how women have been demonized by the Catholic Church. You, ludwell...all those who deny such demonizing shouldn't get all defensive but do some reading on the subject.
3/6/2014 5:00:56 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
allen281 Lisbon, OH 59, joined Oct. 2012	Quote from woodsmamma: Yea, allen , see why I am glad it's not back in the day, heck they want to shut me up now, I'd have been doomed in the old days. Well i am glad i don't live in the old days as well because i don't believe in demonizing women, as they would hang me upside down, hang me by me nuttttts until dead.
3/6/2014 5:20:07 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
xashax Union, NH 43, joined May. 2009	It wasn't as if it was limited to the Catholics if we are splitting hairs here. The Salem Witch trials of 1692 were carried out under the authority of devoutly religious Puritans. In Salem Village, as in the colony at large, life was governed by the precepts of the Church, which was Calvinist. Instrumental music, dancing, and celebration of holidays such as Christmas and Easter, were absolutely forbidden, as these were considered to have roots in Paganism. The only music allowed was the unaccompanied singing of hymns—as the folk songs of the period were thought to glorify human love and nature, they were considered to be against God. Toys and especially dolls were forbidden as play was considered a frivolous waste of time.
3/6/2014 6:36:46 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	You have a valid point Asha. We could say demonizing women: The Church
3/6/2014 6:53:34 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from xashax: It wasn't as if it was limited to the Catholics if we are splitting hairs here. The Salem Witch trials of 1692 were carried out under the authority of devoutly religious Puritans. Sure...but I wanted to limit my thread to the Catholic church.
3/6/2014 7:26:02 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	That's what I thought. That could be a separate thread, tho'.
3/6/2014 8:05:42 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from woodsmamma: That's what I thought. That could be a separate thread, tho'. I guess for the Catholic church to make love to a woman was a sin while to make love to a man was sublime. Watch from the 30"" on; the expression on the priest's face looks like "an orgasm in process" The name of the movie is "The Bad Education".
3/7/2014 6:55:55 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
xashax Union, NH 43, joined May. 2009	Quote from duchessa: Sure...but I wanted to limit my thread to the Catholic church. Yes I realize that but Allen there seemed to be implying that these Witch hunts were strictly limited to the Catholic church. The Puritans were not Catholics and were at odds with popery and its traditions.
3/7/2014 7:24:37 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	even the word "hysterectomy" sounds demonizing.
3/7/2014 7:32:52 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	Quote from duchessa: even the word "hysterectomy" sounds demonizing. Is that like the hysterical society, er... I mean the Historical society?
3/7/2014 9:24:40 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from woodsmamma: Is that like the hysterical society, er... I mean the Historical society? Worse...the "Histerical Society" is a pain though.
3/7/2014 9:47:12 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
xashax Union, NH 43, joined May. 2009	Quote from allen281: Wasn't that when two Catholics set out to destroy woman who did thing in a different manner, in Latin it was called " Hammer of the witches " even if a woman remained a single woman, she was seen as a witch, if they were, then i guess every single woman must be a witch and every man who married a woman, is married to a witch, those two Catholics were the crazy one's. There had been some handbooks before, but none with the scope or with such papal backing. While the supporting papal bull was limited to Southern Germany and Switzerland, in 1501, Pope Alexander VI issued a new papal bull, Cum acceperimus, authorizing an inquisitor in Lombardy to pursue witches, broadening the authority of witch hunters. The manual was used by both Catholics and Protestants. Although widely consulted, it was never given the official imprimatur of the Catholic church. Although publication was aided by Gutenberg's invention of movable type, the manual itself was not in continuous publication. When witchcraft prosecutions increased in some areas, the wider publication of the Malleus Maleficarum followed, as justification or guide to the prosecutors. http://womenshistory.about.com/od/witcheseurope/a/Malleus-Maleficarum.htm
3/7/2014 10:51:49 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 62, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	Duchessa, stone carvinngs of women and their private body parts is very far from the spirit of Catholicism. Catholicism has always been against pornography. Here's the way many peoples' minds work when it comes to history: (1) paganism was long ago. (2) Catholicism comes from long ago. (3) Therefore, anything that happened long ago, no matter how bad, must be the fault of the Catholic Church. A good example is the comic strip Hagar (I don't know if your local paper carries this or not). In this comic strip, set in the Dark Ages (a.d. 500-1000), Hagar is a Viking warrior who regularly raids England, mostly, and brings back whatever booty he can. In this strip Brother Olaf, apparently a medieval priest, tells Hagar that what he is doing is wrong, but Hagar, like a modern lukewarm nominal Christian, ignores him. Reading this strip we can come to the conclusion that the medieveal Church turned a blind eye to the raids made by the Viking warriors. The historical reality is much different--the Vikings were pagan, not Christiatn, not even nomimally Christian, and they knew next to nothing about Christianity (of course Catholicism was the only Christianity at the time, Protestantism not having been invented until a good 500 years later).
3/7/2014 11:03:11 AM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	It boogles the mind
3/7/2014 12:57:46 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
marcoavilla San Antonio, TX 30, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from duchessa: This questions have always run inside my head. I would like to find out why Christianity demonizes women. Is demonizing women a sign of hidden homosexuality? Why sex is also demonized? Why, a child needs to be "cleansed" from the sin of conception? Why the Catholic church is so scared of sex and women? Christianity and Catholicism are not the same thing. Christianity does not demonized women. Catholicism has that homosexuality factor built right into it. My church allows women to preach and even allows homosexuals to become preachers. I've had 3 women pastors in my church before. The demonization of sex comes from the "sins o the flesh" bs that they came up with. It's all a way to control the masses.
3/7/2014 1:15:24 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
marcoavilla San Antonio, TX 30, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from duchessa: I guess for the Catholic church to make love to a woman was a sin while to make love to a man was sublime. I believe that idea comes from Greece, that women were for bearing children and Men were to lie together and exchange ideas of science an philosophy. Writers such as Herodotus, Plato, Xenophon, Athenaeus and many others explored aspects of same-sex love in ancient Greece. The most widespread and socially significant form of same-sex sexual relations in ancient Greece was between adult men and pubescent or adolescent boys, known as pederasty [Edited 3/7/2014 1:15:51 PM ]
3/7/2014 3:40:20 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from ludlowlowell: Duchessa, stone carvinngs of women and their private body parts is very far from the spirit of Catholicism. Yes, sure, Lud,read the essay. Id demonizing women wasn't part of the church 's agenda this worl will have many priestess, female bishops and even a female pope Don't try to bring us down to your level...we are not without a brain.
3/7/2014 3:44:36 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from marcoavilla: Christianity and Catholicism are not the same thing. Christianity does not demonized women. Catholicism has that homosexuality factor built right into it. My church allows women to preach and even allows homosexuals to become preachers. I've had 3 women pastors in my church before. The demonization of sex comes from the "sins o the flesh" bs that they came up with. It's all a way to control the masses. If you read my thread's title you will understand I wasn't referring to Christianity but to Catholicism. And we, the Atheists, know very well that all religions -including yours- are about controlling the mases.
3/7/2014 4:35:30 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
allen281 Lisbon, OH 59, joined Oct. 2012	Quote from xashax: Yes I realize that but Allen there seemed to be implying that these Witch hunts were strictly limited to the Catholic church. The Puritans were not Catholics and were at odds with popery and its traditions. It wasn't just Catholics that did such things but man has been demonizing woman in many ways from the beginning, as men in the beginning were very self righteous, as many still are even today.
3/7/2014 4:39:58 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
marcoavilla San Antonio, TX 30, joined Feb. 2014	Quote from duchessa: If you read my thread's title you will understand I wasn't referring to Christianity but to Catholicism. And we, the Atheists, know very well that all religions -including yours- are about controlling the mases. This questions have always run inside my head. I would like to find out why Christianity demonizes women. I have highlighted what you said. Christianity like atheism, isn't a religion, it's a way of life. Religion is a man made way of following rules and a certain interpretation of whatever people think the bible is saying. But from all your post I can see that no matter what, you're always gonna find something to poke at so I'll just leave you to your religious rants. Have a good day
3/7/2014 4:50:15 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	marcoavilla: Listen, i made a mistake in my post but the title of the thread is very clear. And, please, don't be a narcissist attempting to explain to an Atheist -me- what Atheism is all about..neither come here to explain what's a religion. My religious rants? Dear, you are as ignorant as they come.
3/8/2014 12:47:51 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 62, joined Feb. 2008 online now!	There is not now, nor has there ever been, any kind of rite, ceremony, or sacrament in Catholicism about purifying women after childbirth. That stuff is from Judaism and paganism. Some modern women think like this: "I want to screw around all I want without getting pregnant, with the right to kill my baby if I do get pregnant, and I want to do all this guilt free." These kind of women, and men for that matter, are not going to like Catholicism.
3/8/2014 2:41:11 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	I have pointed that out to him too. He hasn't listened.
3/8/2014 3:01:49 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
sail_dancer Saint Petersburg, FL 67, joined Apr. 2010	Quote from woodsmamma: I have pointed that out to him too. He hasn't listened. Lud is so lost in the land of Christendom that he has lost all sense of reality. He's one sick puppy. Peace
3/8/2014 3:03:14 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	You gotta hand it to him,....he does like the Beach Boys!
3/8/2014 3:08:24 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
clarencec South Yorkshire United Kingdom 57, joined Oct. 2008	Indeedy. Repellent religiosity mitigated by the saving grace of good musical taste.
3/8/2014 3:19:32 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
woodsmamma Babbitt, MN 62, joined Feb. 2009	Clarence, that was bleddy perfect!!!
3/8/2014 4:12:00 PM	Demonizing women; Catholic church
duchessa Yonkers, NY 62, joined Aug. 2008	Quote from ludlowlowell: There is not now, nor has there ever been, any kind of rite, ceremony, or sacrament in Catholicism about purifying women after childbirth. That stuff is from Judaism and paganism. Some modern women think like this: "I want to screw around all I want without getting pregnant, with the right to kill my baby if I do get pregnant, and I want to do all this guilt free." These kind of women, and men for that matter, are not going to like Catholicism. Listen, you, don't try to twist the meaning of my thread. Nobody is talking about abortion nor about the right of women to have sex....but about the demonizing of the women...which is not an invention. ,...and, BTW, what if not demonizing do you think baptism is all about?

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