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3/1/2015 5:51:35 PM Teachers unions must go  

jester0011
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1. go
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the union has created bad teachers u cant fire and hurt the childrens education.




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3/1/2015 5:54:47 PM Teachers unions must go  

maggievalleymtn
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You are from NC. NC doesn't have teacher unions, but they need them.

3/1/2015 6:05:02 PM Teachers unions must go  
61falcon
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Why do you went them too earning Wal-Mart-McDonalds wages???

3/1/2015 6:05:50 PM Teachers unions must go  

jester0011
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why do we need them

3/1/2015 6:26:36 PM Teachers unions must go  
peterk2
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Quote from jester0011:
the union has created bad teachers u cant fire and hurt the childrens education.



has been going on for decades, you are just waking up, rip van winkle?

3/1/2015 6:29:22 PM Teachers unions must go  
annamally
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Quote from 61falcon:
Why do you went them too earning Wal-Mart-McDonalds wages???


When it costs a dollar for a burger !!!

3/1/2015 6:38:18 PM Teachers unions must go  
condor_0000
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Capitalism must go

( ) Go

( ) Stay

Capitalism has created a plethora of bad capitalists whom you can't get rid of as they rape and loot and kill and torture and steal, heaping tremendous destruction and suffering upon all of society.

--------------

Child poverty at devastating levels in US cities and states
By Patrick Martin
26 February 2015
World Socialist Web Site
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/02/26/cpov-f26.html

Excerpt:

Reports issued over the past week suggest that child poverty in America is more widespread than at any time in the last 50 years. For all the claims of economic “recovery” in the United States, the reality for the new generation of the working class is one of ever-deeper social deprivation.



[Edited 3/1/2015 6:39:10 PM ]

3/1/2015 6:47:07 PM Teachers unions must go  
jenny669
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I do agree that bad teachers should be able to be removed if they are incompetent but that doesn't mean that unions should not exist.

Unions do good stuff and bad stuff. Fix the bad stuff and everything will be fine.

3/1/2015 6:48:37 PM Teachers unions must go  
condor_0000
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Quote from jenny669:
I do agree that bad teachers should be able to be removed if they are incompetent but that doesn't mean that unions should not exist.

Unions do good stuff and bad stuff. Fix the bad stuff and everything will be fine.


Once all teachers are the low-paid slaves of the private-school industry you'll never again hear any right-wing complaints about teachers.

3/1/2015 6:55:04 PM Teachers unions must go  

dwwcat
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Quote from 61falcon:
Why do you went them too earning Wal-Mart-McDonalds wages???


The highest paid teachers in the US also work at the worst performing schools..Money seems to not be the problem.. US teachers pay is ranked 6th highest in the world.

3/1/2015 7:01:46 PM Teachers unions must go  

m_gonzales
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Quote from jester0011:
the union has created bad teachers u cant fire and hurt the childrens education.


Where do people even get these ideas?

3/1/2015 7:02:27 PM Teachers unions must go  
jillybodob
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public unions have accumulated a track record that all should question.

3/1/2015 7:04:45 PM Teachers unions must go  

duchessa
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Quote from jester0011:
why do we need them



OK, please tell me...in your enlightened opinion...what is the function of the UFT?

3/1/2015 7:09:21 PM Teachers unions must go  
condor_0000
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Quote from jillybodob:
public unions have accumulated a track record that all should question.


Capitalism has accumulated a track record that all should question.

"Almost all of the world is capitalist and almost all of the world's people are poor." - Michael Parenti

3/1/2015 7:10:49 PM Teachers unions must go  

txninnc
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Quote from maggievalleymtn:
You are from NC. NC doesn't have teacher unions, but they need them.


NC has the North Carolina Association of Educators. They're corrupt, of course. Teachers unions do nothing positive for kids, only negative.

3/1/2015 7:11:03 PM Teachers unions must go  

thekinghasrisen
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Unions of skilled labor are nearly unbreakable due to the principals governing supply and demand.

3/1/2015 7:11:35 PM Teachers unions must go  
jillybodob
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I would agree Condor. And the track record of capitalism should be compared and contrasted with the track record of all other forms of socio-economic organization.

3/1/2015 7:18:38 PM Teachers unions must go  
condor_0000
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Quote from jillybodob:
I would agree Condor. And the track record of capitalism should be compared and contrasted with the track record of all other forms of socio-economic organization.


Ya know, I noticed that you didn't demand that we measure union jobs against all other jobs around the world. Why is that?

"Almost all of the world is capitalist and almost all of the world's people are poor." -- Michael Parenti

3/1/2015 7:19:33 PM Teachers unions must go  

maggievalleymtn
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Quote from jester0011:
why do we need them






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3/1/2015 7:21:30 PM Teachers unions must go  
jenny669
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3/1/2015 7:22:10 PM Teachers unions must go  

maggievalleymtn
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Quote from txninnc:
NC has the North Carolina Association of Educators. They're corrupt, of course. Teachers unions do nothing positive for kids, only negative.



Stupid comment as usual. NC Association of Educators has no power.

3/1/2015 7:30:22 PM Teachers unions must go  

txninnc
Euless, TX
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Quote from maggievalleymtn:
Stupid comment as usual. NC Association of Educators has no power.


All members are also members of the NAE.

3/1/2015 7:33:39 PM Teachers unions must go  
peterk2
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Quote from condor_0000:
Ya know, I noticed that you didn't demand that we measure union jobs against all other jobs around the world. Why is that?

"Almost all of the world is capitalist and almost all of the world's people are poor." -- Michael Parenti


parenti lies.

3/1/2015 7:34:29 PM Teachers unions must go  
jillybodob
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Jenny, where is the line showing the growth (not decline) of teacher union compensation and pensions?




Quote from jenny669:


3/1/2015 7:35:44 PM Teachers unions must go  
peterk2
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Quote from jillybodob:
I would agree Condor. And the track record of capitalism should be compared and contrasted with the track record of all other forms of socio-economic organization.


like where they are starving in venezuela


like where they are dirt poor in cuba after having an almost european standard in the 50's



like where there is a strongman and his few rich friends in russia



like where todays chinese warlords are richer than ever while 50 million chinese still live in caves

3/1/2015 7:37:03 PM Teachers unions must go  
jillybodob
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Why to politicians and teacher's unions fear the success of Charter schools?

3/1/2015 7:41:24 PM Teachers unions must go  

dwwcat
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When you take away the unions strong arm tactics, bribery and millions of dollars of political special interest donations, it levels the free market allowing non union to not be suppressed..

Here, non union scale is way higher than union..The work ethics and safety records of the non union has taken almost all the union contracts in my area.. Clients got tired of being ripped off, after seeing better and safer workers at a much lower cost, that was it..The union did it to themselves.

3/1/2015 7:41:37 PM Teachers unions must go  
jillybodob
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that's why so many people are illegally immigrating to those countries.




Quote from peterk2:
like where they are starving in venezuela


like where they are dirt poor in cuba after having an almost european standard in the 50's



like where there is a strongman and his few rich friends in russia



like where todays chinese warlords are richer than ever while 50 million chinese still live in caves


3/1/2015 7:44:05 PM Teachers unions must go  

maggievalleymtn
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Quote from txninnc:
All members are also members of the NAE.



Are you kidding? They can't afford the NEA and teachers need the help on a local state level anyway.

3/1/2015 8:49:45 PM Teachers unions must go  

jester0011
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Quote from jenny669:
I do agree that bad teachers should be able to be removed if they are incompetent but that doesn't mean that unions should not exist.

Unions do good stuff and bad stuff. Fix the bad stuff and everything will be fine.
the union stops bad teachers from being fired

3/1/2015 9:07:10 PM Teachers unions must go  

sillylaugher61
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Jeb Bush was on Hannitys show tonight. Bush was asked about the common core "standards".
Question do you believe that the common core is another government education program?
Bush said no it is not another bad government program.
Just more proof that he loves big government. Also his dad brought back the
Dept. of Education after Reagan axed it.

3/1/2015 9:08:15 PM Teachers unions must go  
jillybodob
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Charter schools produce better results for our kids. It's not even close.

3/1/2015 9:15:10 PM Teachers unions must go  
jillybodob
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who is blocking charter schools? Public teachers unions...because they are paid by student count in their school. A student who wants to do better is pulled back into a sesspool by a selfish tentacle who is more interested in getting paid than teaching your kid.



Quote from jillybodob:
Charter schools produce better results for our kids. It's not even close.


3/1/2015 9:16:07 PM Teachers unions must go  

jester0011
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Quote from jillybodob:
Charter schools produce better results for our kids. It's not even close.


3/1/2015 9:18:04 PM Teachers unions must go  
jillybodob
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shit, everybody knows it.

3/1/2015 10:59:41 PM Teachers unions must go  

maniacmassager
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I enjoy seeing unions get beaten down.

3/1/2015 11:18:07 PM Teachers unions must go  
jillybodob
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I agree with unions, as long as they spend the members dues on the membership. Once the people's money is given as a political contribution then there is biq question. Is the money spent on the people?

3/2/2015 2:38:56 AM Teachers unions must go  
condor_0000
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Quote from jillybodob:
Charter schools produce better results for our kids. It's not even close.


It's not that right-wingers are stupid, rather it's that they know so many things that simply aren't true.

Of course, for the right-wing it's not really about quality education, rather it's about capitalists and Wall Street collecting a huge share of all the money spent on education that they are currently missing out on.

-------------------

The truth about charter schools: Padded cells, corruption, lousy instruction and worse results
Friday, Jan 10, 2014
Jeff Bryant
http://www.salon.com/2014/01/10/the_truth_about_charter_schools_padded_cells_corruption_lousy_instruction_and_worse_results/

Excerpt:

Imagine your 5-year-old boy went to a school where he was occasionally thrown in a padded cell and detained alone for stretches as long as 20 minutes.

Or you sent your kid to an elementary school where the children are made to sit on a bare floor in the classroom for days before they can “earn” their desks.

Or your kid went to a school where she spent hours parked in a cubicle in front of a computer with a poorly trained teacher who has to monitor more than 100 other students.

Maybe you don’t have children or send them to private school? So how do you feel when you find out the local school that you pay for with your taxes is operating a scam that diverted millions of dollars through fake Medicaid billing?

Or the school used your tax dollars as “grants” to start up other profit-making enterprises … or pay lavish salaries – $300,000, $400,000 or more – to its administrators … or support a movement linked to a reclusive Turkish cleric being investigated for bribery and corruption.

Welcome to the world of charter schools.

3/2/2015 5:51:21 AM Teachers unions must go  
peterk2
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yes condom, lets go to a nice system like russia, china, venezuela, and cuba have.


violence, death, starvation, poverty. a strongman and friends own everything






Quote from sillylaugher61:
Jeb Bush was on Hannitys show tonight. Bush was asked about the common core "standards".
Question do you believe that the common core is another government education program?
Bush said no it is not another bad government program.
Just more proof that he loves big government. Also his dad brought back the
Dept. of Education after Reagan axed it.


yep



[Edited 3/2/2015 5:53:02 AM ]

3/2/2015 6:02:35 AM Teachers unions must go  

jester0011
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kids who get home schooled do better than ones in public school and they are supposed to be real teachers

3/2/2015 6:32:25 AM Teachers unions must go  
mermaidinwaitin
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Quote from jester0011:
kids who get home schooled do better than ones in public school and they are supposed to be real teachers


When I homeschooled, it was the PARENT who was the teacher, so you had to prove that you were educated enough to teach your kid. I sincerely hope that all states have the same standard. The blind leading the blind leads to nothing good.

3/2/2015 7:40:18 AM Teachers unions must go  

duchessa
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Quote from jester0011:
the union stops bad teachers from being fired


NOT AT ALL....but since you didn't answer my question it would be silly to explain what the UFT 'job" is.

BTE, I agree with "bad teachers" should be fired.

3/2/2015 7:47:53 AM Teachers unions must go  

duchessa
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Quote from jillybodob:
Charter schools produce better results for our kids. It's not even close.


What you say -are you getting paid for talking?- is what the government wants the public to believe because, my dear, the ultimate goal is to do away with public education...specially at the high school level.

Grammar school will provide the necessary -and basic- skills to help the big business and college is not a problem because the students pay for the courses they take...from their pockets or with student loans.

BTW The student loans will saddle the students for life with debts up to the hundred of thousands.

3/2/2015 7:52:20 AM Teachers unions must go  
KatfishHunter
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Quote from jillybodob:
who is blocking charter schools? Public teachers unions...because they are paid by student count in their school. A student who wants to do better is pulled back into a sesspool by a selfish tentacle who is more interested in getting paid than teaching your kid.



Quote from jillybodob:
Charter schools produce better results for our kids. It's not even close.



School Districts are funded by head count, NOT individual schools. Charter Schools are also part of the School District.


Come on people, stop making things up, in hopes that someone will believe you.

3/2/2015 7:56:51 AM Teachers unions must go  
aidanman
Pompano Beach, FL
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People are petty and cruel. People get fired when co-workers lie about them.

Unions should be all over this country in every occupation.

Stay.

3/2/2015 9:50:55 AM Teachers unions must go  
fellowforyou
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Bad ideas are flown in from Mexico. You can get them cheap.

3/2/2015 9:51:52 AM Teachers unions must go  

duchessa
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Quote from jillybodob:
I agree with unions, as long as they spend the members dues on the membership. Once the people's money is given as a political contribution then there is biq question. Is the money spent on the people?


Did you ever think the Union's members WANT to back up a given politician?

3/2/2015 9:57:24 AM Teachers unions must go  

mr_bad_robot
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Cincinnati, OH
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Quote from duchessa:
Did you ever think the Union's members WANT to back up a given politician?


Yes they do but often times the Union backs a politician the Teachers don't want. It happens in most Unions. Some Unions will even borrow money for campaign contributions.

3/2/2015 9:57:30 AM Teachers unions must go  
KatfishHunter
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Quote from fellowforyou:
Bad ideas are flown in from Mexico. You can get them cheap.





Which reminds me. Once upon a time I purchased some Hormel REAL bacon bits from a distressed merchandise store. And THIS is why they were there.

Bag was full of REAL bacon bits alright, along with the bacon rind. WHAT? It was like trying to eat buckshot. I took them back.


Mexican NON UNION labor? You get what you pay for when you outsource jobs.



[Edited 3/2/2015 9:57:56 AM ]

3/2/2015 10:22:19 AM Teachers unions must go  

duchessa
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Quote from mr_bad_robot:
Yes they do but often times the Union backs a politician the Teachers don't want. It happens in most Unions. Some Unions will even borrow money for campaign contributions.


Don't even try that one, the delegates -no the Union reps- don't allow this. The UFT -the one in the topic- always back up a politician the teachers favor; for instance, the UFT never went for Bloomberg.
The contributions to campaigns are voluntary and each teacher says "yes / no" to said contributions. I never allowed the UFT to destine any part of my dues to back up a politicians I didn't like.

Many people, specially the OP, talk against the UFT but they know pidd about its "job".

3/2/2015 10:30:05 AM Teachers unions must go  

mr_bad_robot
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Quote from duchessa:
Don't even try that one, the delegates -no the Union reps- don't allow this. The UFT -the one in the topic- always back up a politician the teachers favor; for instance, the UFT never went for Bloomberg.
The contributions to campaigns are voluntary and each teacher says "yes / no" to said contributions. I never allowed the UFT to destine any part of my dues to back up a politicians I didn't like.

Many people, specially the OP, talk against the UFT but they know pidd about its "job".


BS it happens all the time and if you don't know that then shame on you.

3/2/2015 10:31:19 AM Teachers unions must go  

jeffb1981
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Quote from jester0011:
the union has created bad teachers u cant fire and hurt the childrens education.


There should be no such thing as a teachers union... or tenure.

3/2/2015 12:05:59 PM Teachers unions must go  
nat_now
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Should seniority trump skill, merit, and results?

Should students not get to report unsatisfactory teachers?

3/2/2015 12:09:38 PM Teachers unions must go  
KatfishHunter
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Coos Bay, OR
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Hey teacher. I hate you so I'm going to make up shidt and report you.

3/2/2015 12:11:11 PM Teachers unions must go  
nat_now
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Its not that simple. The classroom should be able to fill out evals and surveys.

3/2/2015 12:12:42 PM Teachers unions must go  
KatfishHunter
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And THAT is exactly how doors are opened to, oh I don't know, let's say, gay marriage?

3/2/2015 12:24:25 PM Teachers unions must go  

jester0011
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Quote from mr_bad_robot:
Yes they do but often times the Union backs a politician the Teachers don't want. It happens in most Unions. Some Unions will even borrow money for campaign contributions.


3/2/2015 12:30:30 PM Teachers unions must go  
nat_now
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Quote from KatfishHunter:
And THAT is exactly how doors are opened to, oh I don't know, let's say, gay marriage?



If 11th graders halfway thru a yr of history isn't favorable to the teacher's methods, they should have a say. Either that, and better yet, video every single lesson..every classroom. Sort out the and rid of lame teachers. I have no idea what this has to do with gay anything.

3/2/2015 12:38:54 PM Teachers unions must go  
KatfishHunter
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Video? Might work. That way everyone is on record. Records are needed to out the undesirable teachers... and students.

3/2/2015 2:36:18 PM Teachers unions must go  

maggievalleymtn
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Whiteville, NC
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Teachers in NC are dropping out of the profession like flies and baby boomers are retiring. If I wanted to come out of retirement and get a job tomorrow, it would take maybe 48 hrs. All of our universities combined don't even come close to providing the number of teachers needed to fill the vacant teaching positions for each year. Out of state teachers are hesitant to pick up and move to a state that is no longer teacher friendly. Principals will be looking for warm bodies to just sit in their math, science, special ed classes...actually all of them now. It is a huge problem, so OP, you may get your wish. Kids may have to be home schooled to get a decent education. The vouchers to private schools don't pay enough to cover the tuition and many of the charter schools owned by corporations are failing. So, OP, your hate on teachers is being wasted because the majority of them want out. They love teaching and the students, but that doesn't pay the bills and it isn't worth the stress of the thankless job. Many states are going through this now...mainly red states, but not all.