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6/1/2015 12:52:44 AM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

blake6972
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Chris Kyle a true American hero.






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6/1/2015 12:53:47 AM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
jillybodob
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no principle, I just state the obvious. It's curious that some people want stick their head in the sand and pretend some utopia exists. That's a rather fictitious communist ideal that has failed over time, again and again.

6/1/2015 12:57:40 AM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

naprinciple
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Jilly I don't support Communism, or believe in any utopia, and I speak out about governmental barbarism.....Do you?

6/1/2015 1:09:29 AM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
jillybodob
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Chris Kyle, in your opinion, good buy or bad guy principle?

6/1/2015 1:11:57 AM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

naprinciple
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Read the title of this thread Jilly....WTF!

6/1/2015 1:15:12 AM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
jillybodob
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principle, and I asked you, where they barbarians who killed innocents.

6/1/2015 1:16:04 AM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
jillybodob
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my grammer is kind of sucking tonight, so please give me a pass as you know.

6/1/2015 2:58:46 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

srv63
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Quote from jillybodob:
principle, and I asked you, where they barbarians who killed innocents.


You know damn well that anyone that kills innocent people are barbarians like the scumbag government officials that did the deadly deeds on 911 to save money/ make money and enslave every american with bullshit laws like the patriot act which was passed by a bunch of spineless tyrants that need their necks stretched from a rope.

6/1/2015 3:02:49 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
Yasureoktoo
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I'm sure everyone is guilty of something.

6/1/2015 3:13:59 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
jillybodob
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I've listened to the air traffic control tapes...cookoo bird.



Quote from srv63:
You know damn well that anyone that kills innocent people are barbarians like the scumbag government officials that did the deadly deeds on 911 to save money/ make money and enslave every american with bullshit laws like the patriot act which was passed by a bunch of spineless tyrants that need their necks stretched from a rope.


6/1/2015 3:32:28 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

dumzaa
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Quote from naprinciple:
Quote from juma2112:
I answered ur question.
u simply didnt like it.



*********************************



Please quote your answer, as I can't discern it



Better yet, do you deny my explanation of "Because politicians said so"?



The people said so. The people wanted the death penalty as it was in every opinion poll.


They spared the young n**ger Malvo because he was under 18 and said he was influenced , most did not like that.

The people wanted them both put down.


So the people got at least half of what they wanted



[Edited 6/1/2015 3:33:41 PM ]

6/1/2015 3:35:02 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
jillybodob
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ISIS is teaching 8 years olds to behead people tied up. Are the people here seriously down with this kind of shit?

6/1/2015 3:38:03 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

dumzaa
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The people also decide whether we have the death penalty or not in each state.


If the people are against it then the politician who is will get the peoples support and vice versa.


im for outlawing interracial marriage/relationships which use to be law ! but guess what ? the wiggers and n**ger f**kers won out just like gay marriage


White genocide is popular


So is gay a** f**king now it seems






[Edited 6/1/2015 3:41:40 PM ]

6/1/2015 3:42:03 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
jillybodob
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You fail to understand that what's going on over there is not a democracy, it coercion, pure and simple. Believe what I tell you to believe or die.

6/1/2015 4:23:07 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

blake6972
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Chris Kyle is a true American hero.

God bless his soul.

6/1/2015 6:01:47 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

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Quote from jillybodob:
ISIS is teaching 8 years olds to behead people tied up. Are the people here seriously down with this kind of shit?

You are making massive, irrational leaps in "logic".

Open question - Everyone who supports ISIS teaching 8 year olds to behead people tied up, please raise your hand!

(Crickets)

Care to try again with an argument that isn't a made-up strawman?

6/1/2015 6:08:09 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

smthgabouther
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Yup. To me he was a terrorist.

6/1/2015 6:19:46 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
jillybodob
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lobo, care to pull your head out your...and just witness what's happening?

I know you ain't going to save nobody.







Quote from lobo_corazon:
You are making massive, irrational leaps in "logic".

Open question - Everyone who supports ISIS teaching 8 year olds to behead people tied up, please raise your hand!

(Crickets)

Care to try again with an argument that isn't a made-up strawman?


6/1/2015 7:16:06 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
dohenybeach
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Quote from jillybodob:
ISIS is teaching 8 years olds to behead people tied up. Are the people here seriously down with this kind of shit?


If this isn't propaganda, which I'd bet it is, what is your proposal? Are you going to send your kids to die fighting ISIS?

Our Founding Fathers told us to stay the f**k out of other countries' internal affairs for a damned good reason. Would you be good with a haughty European military invasion because we execute criminals?

6/1/2015 7:25:43 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
jillybodob
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dophney, apparently your jut fell off the turnip truck.


Quote from dohenybeach:
If this isn't propaganda, which I'd bet it is, what is your proposal? Are you going to send your kids to die fighting ISIS?

Our Founding Fathers told us to stay the f**k out of other countries' internal affairs for a damned good reason. Would you be good with a haughty European military invasion because we execute criminals?


6/1/2015 7:33:42 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
dohenybeach
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Quote from jillybodob:
dophney, apparently your jut fell off the turnip truck.


Quote from dohenybeach:
If this isn't propaganda, which I'd bet it is, what is your proposal? Are you going to send your kids to die fighting ISIS?

Our Founding Fathers told us to stay the f**k out of other countries' internal affairs for a damned good reason. Would you be good with a haughty European military invasion because we execute criminals?


Tell us, omniscient one, how you know it's not propaganda? Assuming it's true, what's your proposal for correcting it?

The turnip truck has done run over your ass.

6/1/2015 7:37:31 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
Yasureoktoo
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Quote from lobo_corazon:
You are making massive, irrational leaps in "logic".

Open question - Everyone who supports ISIS teaching 8 year olds to behead people tied up, please raise your hand!

(Crickets)

Care to try again with an argument that isn't a made-up strawman?


Actually Lobo,

His statement is pretty close to reality.

Sure, that is probably not taught to the girls, but the boys are taught all kinds of war, murder, etc.

6/2/2015 10:59:50 AM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

naprinciple
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Chris Kyle Was No Hero, But A Goddamn Mass Murderer
https://youtu.be/m7BmyPgIBuk


Published on Jan 21, 2015

Chris Kyle, a US navy Seal from Texas, was deployed to Iraq in 2003 and claimed to have killed more than 255 people during his six-year military career. In his memoir, Kyle reportedly described killing as “fun”, something he “loved”; he was unwavering in his belief that everyone he shot was a “bad guy”. “I hate the damn savages,” he wrote. “I couldn’t give a flying f**k about the Iraqis.” He bragged about murdering looters during Hurricane Katrina, though that was never substantiated.

He was murdered in 2013 at a Texas gun range by a 25-year-old veteran reportedly suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.

Full story: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisf...

6/2/2015 11:29:50 AM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
dohenybeach
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naprinciple,

Hollywood takes artistic license with facts, for fantasy sells far more movie tickets.

I can understand Kyle's youthful idealism. I'm sure he thought that he was defending American freedom in Iraq. Nationalism is intended to divert the gullible from facts.

From what I gleaned from American Sniper, it was an antiwar film that poignantly depicted mental trauma inflicted upon our soldiers. My guess is the the cause of that trauma was their realizing that killing people who were defending their country would have a parallel in American soldiers being killed in reality protecting the USA from foreign invaders.

I do think that Kyle suffered mental illness that was caused by his actual exposure to killing people that were defending their sovereignty & culture from hegemonic, interventionist foreign policy.

I have been exposed to some of Kyle's more bizarre statements about killing Americans on American soil. If it is true, he would have made statements against penal interest, which are reliable confessions of murders. No cop is going to allow him to commit vigilante murder with impunity. Hence, it's logical to infer that he fabricated those accounts of vigilantism. If he did in fact make up stories of murder, that would implicate serious mental illness, for only mentally infirm admit to crimes that did not commit.

From accounts I've read, Kyle was not mentally infirm before he enlisted. Therefore, it must be considered that killing people in Iraq caused his mental infirmity.

Many years ago I knew a dude whose uncle was a Nazi soldier. His uncle told him that many Nazi soldiers went insane because they were forced to commit murder as opposed to fighting Hitler's enemies. Soldiers are good with doing what which is moral. Forcing the immoral upon them is to cause them to suffer mental illness.

I'm good with some Americans viewing Kyle as a hero. We all want heroes. While I think that WWI & WWII were none of our damned business, Audie Murphy is the person I most admire. He killed in combat, and never talked about it. He suffered PTSD. While he survived WWII, he died a little on European battlefields.

Josey Wales said it profoundly about the American Civil War: "We all died a little in that damned war." How many more of our soldiers are we willing to sacrifice in death and mental illness before we recognize that our Founding Fathers were right: fighting foreign wars will lead to the demise of their patrimony?

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
---US President and Author of the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, James Madison---

6/2/2015 4:17:38 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

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Its too bad more Americans are not like Kyle...

6/2/2015 4:41:45 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

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jeff

Its too bad more Americans are not like Kyle...
===================================================
If you get your rocks off on murder...watch forensic files on HLN. I watch it because they always catch the bads guys who did the murders, rapes, ect. IN politics and war....there is NO accountability [99% of the time anyway]

6/2/2015 5:22:00 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
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nap, so what is your problem with Chris Kyle?

6/2/2015 5:48:03 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

blake6972
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Chris Kyle is a true American hero who saved countless lives during a time at war.



6/2/2015 5:49:22 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
condor_0000
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Quote from blake6972:
Chris Kyle is a true American hero who saved countless lives during a time at war.



No, he executed countless innocent people on behalf of America's greedy gangster-capitalists.

6/2/2015 5:53:59 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

blake6972
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Quote from condor_0000:
No, he executed countless innocent people on behalf of America's greedy gangster-capitalists.



Nope. He served his country and served it well.

He did what he was trained to do.

Get over it.

Chris Kyle a true American hero who was murdered by the same man he tried to help.



6/2/2015 6:14:10 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

class5
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It seems Chris Kyle can become whatever the rhetoric says he is.

6/2/2015 6:15:37 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
Yasureoktoo
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Quote from condor_0000:

No, he executed countless innocent people on behalf of America's greedy gangster-capitalists.

jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj

and the worst part is, he missed you.

6/2/2015 6:17:38 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

blake6972
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Quote from class5:
It seems Chris Kyle can become whatever the rhetoric says he is.


Or it could be that Chris Kyle is simply what he is A TRUE AMERICAN HERO!!!

His repeated actions proved that over and over.

So all you haters get over it a**holes.

Give the man the respect he deserves.



6/2/2015 6:18:18 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

lobo_corazon
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Quote from jillybodob:
lobo, care to pull your head out your...and just witness what's happening?

I know you ain't going to save nobody.

Jilly, you're becoming more and more incoherent. I'll just wish you luck, I guess!


6/2/2015 6:55:57 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

naprinciple
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Quote from darthcapital2:
nap, so what is your problem with Chris Kyle?



******************************



He was a paid murderer. The question ought to be why doesn't everyone have a problem with him


People hero worshiping him is disgusting

6/2/2015 6:56:04 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
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Quote from condor_0000:
No, he executed countless innocent people on behalf of America's greedy gangster-capitalists.
And you know this how?
from your crystals or magical beans?

So he executed innocent people in Iraq? oh okay .

6/2/2015 7:00:40 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

naprinciple
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Quote from blake6972:
Or it could be that Chris Kyle is simply what he is A TRUE AMERICAN HERO!!!

His repeated actions proved that over and over.

So all you haters get over it a**holes.

Give the man the respect he deserves.





******************************



I'm perfectly willing to give him the respect he deserves. NONE

6/2/2015 7:01:13 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

class5
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Let the rhetorical games commence!

6/2/2015 7:03:37 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

naprinciple
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Quote from darthcapital2:
And you know this how?
from your crystals or magical beans?

So he executed innocent people in Iraq? oh okay .



Because he is an invader, involved in an invasion based on lies too, no less. There is no heroism in invading well

6/2/2015 7:04:47 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

blake6972
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Quote from naprinciple:
Quote from darthcapital2:
nap, so what is your problem with Chris Kyle?



******************************



He was a paid murderer. The question ought to be why doesn't everyone have a problem with him


People hero worshiping him is disgusting



People recognizing him as a hero does not equate worship dumbass.

WTF is wrong with you?

Do you thrive on arguing?

You are a total wannabe rebel.
Guess what? You suck at it.

Stop worshiping your false understanding of true rebellion.

Get your mind right friend.

6/2/2015 7:05:16 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

naprinciple
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Quote from class5:
It seems Chris Kyle can become whatever the rhetoric says he is.


*******************



Do you think invading a country, based on lies, is a virtuous undertaking?

6/2/2015 7:14:11 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
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Quote from naprinciple:
Quote from darthcapital2:
nap, so what is your problem with Chris Kyle?



******************************



He was a paid murderer. The question ought to be why doesn't everyone have a problem with him


People hero worshiping him is disgusting

I dont worship anyone, now for the record I have no problems what he did, I have a issue with him writing the book and exposing his family and painting a target on other navy seals that prefers to stay in the dark.

Kyle didn't kill innocent people, people seem to forget a soldier job is to kill their enemies, some do it in the infantry , some by air, by sea, operating drones or a sniper.

Their job isn't to go over and negotiate over tea, America's enemies want to kill them its kill or be killed he believed that he killed to save American and allies lives, I'm not going to fault Kyle for that.

I fault the other idiots that go over and torture civilians and treat them inhumanly as possible putting a stain on all service men and women.

Whether the Americans should have started this war or as you say invade is irrelevant, the realities of war is ,it's harsh and not for the faint of heart and not Hollywood where the bad guys gets killed in the film and re appears in the next Schwarzenegger, Stallone or Die Hard film.

Soldiers don't create conflict they are called upon to do their leaders tell them to do and it's not pretty most of the time.

If I'm a soldier fighting a war whether I believe in my government or not or the reason, I'm over their to fight for what I believe in and it's nice to have a Chris Kyle watching my back and looking out for my interests because the Government doesn't care about my well being.

What I find distasteful is people calling him a Killer, a mass murderer, or blood thirsty monster killing innocent people.

Those people he killed were not innocent.

6/2/2015 7:20:18 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
Yasureoktoo
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Quote from naprinciple:

Do you think invading a country, based on lies, is a virtuous undertaking?
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Too vague, sometimes it can be, The end justifies the means.

6/2/2015 7:22:05 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

naprinciple
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Too vague, sometimes it can be, The end justifies the means.


***********************************



The end NEVER justifies the means. You can't bring virtue into the world with evil

6/2/2015 7:23:16 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
Yasureoktoo
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We just disagree there,

sometimes it does, when you look at the big picture.

6/2/2015 7:23:57 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

blake6972
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Quote from darthcapital2:
I dont worship anyone, now for the record I have no problems what he did, I have a issue with him writing the book and exposing his family and painting a target on other navy seals that prefers to stay in the dark.

Kyle didn't kill innocent people, people seem to forget a soldier job is to kill their enemies, some do it in the infantry , some by air, by sea, operating drones or a sniper.

Their job isn't to go over and negotiate over tea, America's enemies want to kill them its kill or be killed he believed that he killed to save American and allies lives, I'm not going to fault Kyle for that.

I fault the other idiots that go over and torture civilians and treat them inhumanly as possible putting a stain on all service men and women.

Whether the Americans should have started this war or as you say invade is irrelevant, the realities of war is ,it's harsh and not for the faint of heart and not Hollywood where the bad guys gets killed in the film and re appears in the next Schwarzenegger, Stallone or Die Hard film.

Soldiers don't create conflict they are called upon to do their leaders tell them to do and it's not pretty most of the time.

If I'm a soldier fighting a war whether I believe in my government or not or the reason, I'm over their to fight for what I believe in and it's nice to have a Chris Kyle watching my back and looking out for my interests because the Government doesn't care about my well being.

What I find distasteful is people calling him a Killer, a mass murderer, or blood thirsty monster killing innocent people.

Those people he killed were not innocent.


Well articulated Darth.
His wife said he wrote the book because he knew someone would and he wanted to make sure the facts were the facts.

And all the proceeds went to military families.

6/2/2015 7:25:17 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

class5
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Quote from naprinciple:
Quote from class5:
It seems Chris Kyle can become whatever the rhetoric says he is.


*******************



Do you think invading a country, based on lies, is a virtuous undertaking?


Unrelated to my point, however, 'virtuous' depends on perspective. If one is being liberated, yes; if one is being oppressed, no. Hence, the comment regarding 'rhetoric'-he is what you want him to be according to perspective.

Anyway, I don't live in a simplistic and dualistic universe.

6/2/2015 7:25:23 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

naprinciple
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Quote from darthcapital2:
I dont worship anyone, now for the record I have no problems what he did, I have a issue with him writing the book and exposing his family and painting a target on other navy seals that prefers to stay in the dark.

Kyle didn't kill innocent people, people seem to forget a soldier job is to kill their enemies, some do it in the infantry , some by air, by sea, operating drones or a sniper.

Their job isn't to go over and negotiate over tea, America's enemies want to kill them its kill or be killed he believed that he killed to save American and allies lives, I'm not going to fault Kyle for that.

I fault the other idiots that go over and torture civilians and treat them inhumanly as possible putting a stain on all service men and women.

Whether the Americans should have started this war or as you say invade is irrelevant, the realities of war is ,it's harsh and not for the faint of heart and not Hollywood where the bad guys gets killed in the film and re appears in the next Schwarzenegger, Stallone or Die Hard film.

Soldiers don't create conflict they are called upon to do their leaders tell them to do and it's not pretty most of the time.

If I'm a soldier fighting a war whether I believe in my government or not or the reason, I'm over their to fight for what I believe in and it's nice to have a Chris Kyle watching my back and looking out for my interests because the Government doesn't care about my well being.

What I find distasteful is people calling him a Killer, a mass murderer, or blood thirsty monster killing innocent people.

Those people he killed were not innocent.



************************************



Do you have the transcripts from their trials?



INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!

6/2/2015 7:27:33 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
Yasureoktoo
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Not in a war, if you are on the opposing side you are guilty.

6/2/2015 7:34:20 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
darthcapital2
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Quote from naprinciple:
Quote from darthcapital2:
I dont worship anyone, now for the record I have no problems what he did, I have a issue with him writing the book and exposing his family and painting a target on other navy seals that prefers to stay in the dark.

Kyle didn't kill innocent people, people seem to forget a soldier job is to kill their enemies, some do it in the infantry , some by air, by sea, operating drones or a sniper.

Their job isn't to go over and negotiate over tea, America's enemies want to kill them its kill or be killed he believed that he killed to save American and allies lives, I'm not going to fault Kyle for that.

I fault the other idiots that go over and torture civilians and treat them inhumanly as possible putting a stain on all service men and women.

Whether the Americans should have started this war or as you say invade is irrelevant, the realities of war is ,it's harsh and not for the faint of heart and not Hollywood where the bad guys gets killed in the film and re appears in the next Schwarzenegger, Stallone or Die Hard film.

Soldiers don't create conflict they are called upon to do their leaders tell them to do and it's not pretty most of the time.

If I'm a soldier fighting a war whether I believe in my government or not or the reason, I'm over their to fight for what I believe in and it's nice to have a Chris Kyle watching my back and looking out for my interests because the Government doesn't care about my well being.

What I find distasteful is people calling him a Killer, a mass murderer, or blood thirsty monster killing innocent people.

Those people he killed were not innocent.



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Do you have the transcripts from their trials?



INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!
Oh I see, so Kyle is guilty of killing those folks even though there was no trial even though he wrote a tell all book, and because they were "innocent" as you say even though I remember reading a few chapters of his book he described one woman carrying her child and a bomb but she was innocent because she wasn't on trial , got it..

I'm sorry that is backward logic nap.

6/2/2015 7:36:33 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

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Quote from darthcapital2:
Oh I see, so Kyle is guilty of killing those folks even though there was no trial even though he wrote a tell all book, and because they were "innocent" as you say even though I remember reading a few chapters of his book he described one woman carrying her child and a bomb but she was innocent because she wasn't on trial , got it..

I'm sorry that is backward logic nap.


And an easy 'escape'.

6/2/2015 7:37:29 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

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Quote from darthcapital2:
Oh I see, so Kyle is guilty of killing those folks even though there was no trial even though he wrote a tell all book, and because they were "innocent" as you say even though I remember reading a few chapters of his book he described one woman carrying her child and a bomb but she was innocent because she wasn't on trial , got it..

I'm sorry that is backward logic nap.



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Is it not absurd to suggest all 255 victims were automatically not innocent?



Bring back GW Bush.......at least then, half the people could see the war was immoral.

6/2/2015 7:44:13 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

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Is it not absurd to suggest all 255 victims were automatically not innocent?


The rules of engagement are really quite strict. He had to justify his targets and faced disciplinary action if he made the wrong call. So with that in mind, to 'assume' that some of his targets were innocent is just idle speculation at this point. You, I or anyone else here cannot reliably make a call either way.

6/2/2015 7:45:47 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
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All 225 were members of the opposing force, and legit targets.

6/2/2015 7:48:23 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
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I did not know that blake, like I said he is looking out for his country man/woman in the military, and the ungrateful people who wants to condemn him is their right but to tarnish a guy for doing his job is ludicrous.

Calling the people he killed "innocent" is silly, they want to turn this guy into some cold blooded killer because he killed savages, he called those that he killed savages because they committed some horrendous crimes against their own people.

Nobody said squat when Saddam was killing Kurds but kill a few bad people and all of a sudden he is a murderer, serial killer and the worst thing since Charles Manson.

6/2/2015 7:48:24 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

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Invading armies are NEVER in the right


America shouldn't be there for f**ks sake.




Can you guys put yourselves in the shoes of America's "enemies"?

6/2/2015 7:53:04 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

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If you quit posting in this worthless thread it will die the slow death of cowards....

6/2/2015 7:53:59 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

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Quote from naprinciple:
Invading armies are NEVER in the right


Not even to wrest Europe from Nazi control? What about liberating a people from abuse and totalitarian policies? Do you prefer an isolationist stance?


Can you guys put yourselves in the shoes of America's "enemies"?


Yes, there is no need to get personal. Geopolitics cannot be reduced to simple memes.

6/2/2015 8:03:41 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  
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Quote from naprinciple:
Invading armies are NEVER in the right


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Made no sense, lots of times invading armies are in the right.

6/2/2015 8:04:39 PM Chris Kyle, Mass Murderer, Not Hero!  

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Kyle modestly acknowledged to the Time interviewer that he was "decent" at killing.

"The first time killing someone, you're not even sure you can do it," he said. "You think you can, but you never know until you actually are put in that position and you do it. ... And then, you're worried when you get home, are the politicians going to hang you out to dry and put you on trial for murder?"
http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/03/us/texas-sniper-killed-kyle-profile/




Even he knew he was a murderer