Christ and the Law

2/7/2007 3:12:26 PM	Christ and the Law
neverfear Fort Collins, CO age: 54	The cross of Christ is often cited as being the death of the law, and it is commonly stated that in Christ the believer is dead to the law. Romans 7: 4 - 6 is cited as evidence for this opinion, although nothing is said about Romans 8 : 4. Paul's point is that we are free from the law, or dead to the law, as a sentence of death against us, but we are alive to it as the righteousness of Yahweh. Christ, as our substitute, died for us, and we are dead unto the law in Him, and also alive unto the law in Him. The very death of Christ confirmed the law: it revealed that Yahweh regards the death penalty as binding for violation of His law, so that only the atoning death of Christ could remove the curse of the law against sinners. In Ephesians 2 : 1 - 10, Paul makes clear again the meaning of the law in relationship to the cross. In commenting on Paul's description of sinners as "dead in trespasses and sins" Calvin stated: "He does not mean that they were in danger of death; but he declares that it was a real and present death under which they labored. As spiritual death is nothing else than the alienation of the soul from Yahweh, we are all born as dead men, and we live as dead men, until we are made partakers of the life of Christ,—agreeably to the words of our Lord, "The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of Yahweh, and they that hear shall live". In this condition of spiritual death, men are governed by demonic forces and impulses in fulfillment of their own sinful nature as "children of disobedience"; Calvin commented on this latter phrase, "Unbelief is always accompanied by disobedience; so that it is the source—the mother of all stubbornness." Very bluntly, Calvin affirmed after Paul "that we are born with sin, as serpents bring their venom from the womb." What then is the remedy for man? Clearly, the remedy is not the law. Man has broken the law, is dead in sin and cannot keep the law. Calvin pointed out, of Ephesians 2 : 4, that "there is no other life than that which is breathed into us by Christ: so that we begin to live only when we are engrafted into him, and begin to enjoy the same life with himself." Our salvation is entirely of Yahweh's grace, totally His work. In Calvins words, "Yahweh declares that he owes us nothing; so that salvation is not a reward or recompense, but unmixed grace. . . . If, on the part of Yahweh, it is grace alone, and if we bring nothing but faith, which strips us of all commendation, it follows that salvation does not come from us." The faith itself is the gift of Yahweh. All Scripture is emphatic: Yahweh is man's only redeemer; the law is not given as man's way of salvation but as Yahweh's way of righteousness, His law for His chosen people, His kingdom. The law therefore came "through Moses" (John 1 : 17 )—from Yahweh through Moses—because it is the law for Yahweh's kingdom. Where converted into a way of salvation, the law is perverted. Where the law represents the government and obedience of faith, there the law fulfils its Yahweh-given purpose. In Calvins words again, "man is nothing but by divine grace." In Ephesians 2:10, Paul declares, "For we are his workmanship, created in Yahshua unto good works, which Yahshua hath before ordained that we should walk in them." Calvin noted, He says, that, before we were born, the good works were prepared by Yahweh; meaning, that in our own strength we were not able to lead a holy life, but only as far as we are formed and adapted by the hand of Yahweh. Now, if the grace of Yahweh came before our performances, all ground of boasting has been taken away. Plainly, therefore, we are regenerated "unto good works," that is, unto obedience to Yahweh's law-word, and the purpose of our salvation, ordained beforehand by Yahweh, is this obedience. But, some object, the law is called "carnal" in Scripture, as witness Hebrews 7 : 16. Calvin stated, "It was called carnal, because it refers to things corporeal, that is, to external rites." When Paul summons believers to "temperance," he is asking for obedience in a "carnal," that is, corporeal matter as well as with respect to an attitude of mind (Gal. 5:23 ). The calling of believers is unto liberty, which means, Paul said, to love one another, i.e., to fulfill the law in relationship to one another (Gal. 5:13-14 ). In relationship to our fellow men and to Yahweh, the works of our fallen human nature are these: Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of Yahweh. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law (Gal. 5:19-23 ).
2/7/2007 3:12:59 PM	Christ and the Law
neverfear Fort Collins, CO age: 54	Paul attacked the law as a saving ordinance, as man's way of salvation; he upheld the law as man's way of sanctification rather than justification. After citing lawless behavior, beginning with adultery, he cites godly behavior and says of it, "against such there is no law." Obviously, against the other catalogue of actions, beginning with adultery, there is a law, the law as given by Yahweh through Moses. Thus, clearly, the law still stands. The implication of Paul's words is that there is a law against the catalogue of sins of Galatians 5 : 19 - 21 ; moreover, in terms of Ephesians 2 : 10, we are Yahweh's new creation for the purpose of keeping His law and performing good works. In what sense, then, is the law dead, or even wrong, and in what sense does it still stand? First, as we have seen, the law as a sentence of death is finished when the guilty party dies or is executed. For believers, the death of Christ means that they are dead in Him to the death sentence of the law, since Christ is their substitute (Rom. 7 : 1 -6 ). This does not permit us to call the law "sin," for the law itself made us aware of our sinfulness before Yahweh, and our need of His Savior (Rom. 7 : 7 -12 ). Second, our salvation in Yahshua sets forth the salvation by Yahweh's gracious act which is the only doctrine of salvation all Scripture sets forth. The sacrificial and ceremonial law set forth the fact of salvation through the atoning act of a Yahweh-given substitute, an animal whose innocence typified the innocence of the one to come. The Messiah, the Lamb of Yahweh, having come, the old, typical laws of sacrifice and their priesthood and ceremonies were succeeded by the atoning work of Christ, the great High Priest (Heb. 7 ). It is a serious error to say that the civil law was also abolished, but the moral law retained. What is the distinction between them? At most points, they cannot be distinguished. Murder, theft, and false witness are clearly civil offenses as well as moral offenses. In almost every civil order, adultery and dishonoring parents have also been civil crimes. Do these people mean, by declaring the end of civil law, that the Old Testament theocracy is no more? But the kingship of Yahweh and of His Christ is emphatically asserted by the New Testament and especially by the book of Revelation. The state is no less called to be under Christ than is the church. It is clearly only the sacrificial and ceremonial law which is ended because it is replaced by Christ and His work. Third, the law is condemned by the New Testament as a means of justification, which it was never intended to be. The law is not our means of justification or salvation, but of sanctification. Phariseeism had perverted the meaning of the law and made it "of none effect," according to Christ's declaration (Matt. 15 : 1 -9 ). What the Pharisees called the law was "the commandments of men" (Matt. 15 : 9 ), and against this Christ and Paul leveled their attack. The law in this sense never had any legitimate status and must in every age be condemned. The alternative to antinomianism is not Phariseeism or legalism. The answer to those who want to save man by law is not to say that man needs no law. Phariseeism or legalism leads to statism. If law can save man, then the answer is that society must work to institute a total law order, to govern man totally by laws and thus remake man and society. This is the answer given by statism, which invariably draws its strength from Pharisaic religion. Socialism and communism are saving law orders, and the call by preachers of the social gospel for a "saving society" is an expression of faith in man's law as savior. This latter point is important: Yahweh's law does not permit itself to be assigned a saving role, and as a result man devises a humanistic law-order for the total regeneration of man and society by means of total government. Biblical law has a limited role; a saving law must have an unlimited power, and as a result, Biblical law is replaced by Phariseeism with a total law. The modesty of Yahweh's law was an offense to the Pharisees. Thus, whereas the law required only one fast a year, on the Day of Atonement, and then only until sundown, the Pharisees fasted twice a week (Luke (18 : 12 ). A yearly fast which ended in a banquet involved no government over man; a twice-weekly fast both governs man and becomes a means of self-commendation before Yahweh and man.
2/7/2007 3:14:30 PM	Christ and the Law
neverfear Fort Collins, CO age: 54	The law is thus to be condemned when it is made into more than law, when it is made into a savior, or a favor done to Yahweh rather than man's necessary obedience and response to Yahweh's mandate and calling. Law is law, not salvation, and the law as savior leads to statism and totalitarianism. Antinomianism, on the other hand, leads to anarchism. Religious antinomians are usually practical rather than theoretical anarchists. Their disinterest in law leads them to surrender the civil order to the enemy and to further the decline of law and order. Although antinomians would be shocked if called anarchists, they must be so designated. The logical implication of their position is anarchism. If Christ has abolished the law, why should society maintain it? If the Christian is dead to the law, why should not the Christian church, state, school, family, and calling be also dead to the law? A consistent faith on the part of antinomians would require them to be anarchists, but perhaps consistency is itself too much of a virtue, too much of a law, and too intelligent a position to ask from such stupidity. The law in every age sets forth the holiness of Yahweh. The holiness of Yahweh is His absolute distinction from all His creature and creation, and His transcendent exaltation above them in His sovereign and infinite majesty. This separation of Yahweh is also His moral separation from sin and evil and His absolute moral perfection. As Berkhof noted, The holiness of Yahweh is revealed in the moral law, implanted in man's heart, and speaking through the conscience, and more particularly in Yahweh's special revelation. It stood out prominently in the law given to Israel. There can be no holiness, no separation unto Yahweh, without the law of Yahweh. The law is indispensable to holiness. The law is also basic to the righteousness of Yahweh. Again, Berkhofs phrasing is to the point: The fundamental idea of righteousness is that of strict adherence to the law. Among men it presupposes that there is a law to which they must conform. It is sometimes said that we cannot speak of righteousness in Yahweh, because there is no law to which He is subject. But though there is no law above Yahweh, there is certainly a law in the very nature of Yahweh, and this is the highest possible standard, by which all other laws are judged. A distinction is generally made between the absolute and the relative justice of Yahweh. The former is that rectitude of the divine nature, in virtue of which Yahweh is infinitely righteous in Himself, while the latter is that perfection of Yahweh by which He maintains Himself over against every violation of His holiness, and shows in every respect that He is the Holy One. It is to this righteousness that the term "justice" more particularly applies. The righteousness of Yahweh is revealed in the law of Yahweh, and the norm by which men are declared to be sinners is their violation of Yahweh's law. The sin of Adam and Eve was their violation of Yahweh's law, and the criterion of a man's faith is the fruit he bears, his works, in brief his conformity to the law of Yahweh, so that the law is his new life and nature (Matt. 7:16-20; James 2:17-26; Jer. 31:33 ). In the neglect or defiance of Yahweh's law, there can be neither righteousness nor justice. To forsake Yahweh's law is to forsake Yahweh. The law is also basic to sanctification. Sanctification cannot be confused, as Berkhof pointed out, with mere moral rectitude or moral improvement. A man may boast of great moral improvement, and yet be an utter stranger to sanctification. The Bible does not urge moral improvement pure and simple, but moral improvement in relation to Yahweh for Yahweh's sake, and with a view to the service of Yahweh. It insists on sanctification. At this very point much ethical preaching of the present day is utterly misleading: and the corrective for it lies in the presentation of the true doctrine of sanctification. Sanctification may be defined as that gracious and continuous operation of the Holy Spirit, by which He delivers the justified sinner from the pollution of sin, renews his whole nature in the image of Yahweh, and enables him to perform good works. According to Paul, "faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of Yahweh" (Rom. 10 : 17 ) ; the law is written into every fiber of that word. If this law-word is basic to faith and to hearing, it is clearly basic to the believer's growth in sanctification. Sanctification depends on our law-keeping in mind, word, and deed. The perfection of the incarnate Word was manifested in His law-keeping; can the people of His kingdom pursue their calling to be perfect in any way other than by His law-word?
2/7/2007 3:15:03 PM	Christ and the Law
neverfear Fort Collins, CO age: 54	If the law is denied as the means of sanctification, then, logically, the only alternative is Pentecostalism, with its antinomian and unbiblical doctrine of the Spirit. Pentecostalism does, however, represent a very logical outgrowth of antinomian theology. If the law is denied, how is man then to be sanctified? The answer of the Pentecostal movement was an attempt to fill this lack. Protestant theology left man justified but without a way to be sanctified. The holiness movement, with its belief in the instant perfection of all believers, ran so clearly counter to common sense: any observer could see that the holiness people were and are extremely far from perfection! The answer of Protestant Pentecostals and Roman Catholic ascetics and ecstatics has been this doctrine of the Spirit. Ostensibly super-normal and antinomian manifestations of the Spirit place the believer on a higher plane. Many parallel movements, like Keswick, cultivate this higher way as the alternative to law for sanctification. These movements at least represent a logical concern for sanctification, although an illicit one. Deny the law, and your alternatives are either indifference to sanctification, or Pentecostalism and similar doctrines. The disinterest in or contempt for canon law is a part of this anti-nomianism. To separate the law from the gospel is to separate oneself from the law and the gospel, and from Christ. When Yahweh the Father regarded the law as so binding on man that the death of Yahweh's incarnate Son was necessary to redeem man, He could not regard that law as something now trifling, or null and void, for man. Man is saved "that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled" in him (Rom. 8 :4 ). To say that man is no longer under the law, and yet obliged to avoid murder, adultery, theft, false witness, and other sins, is to play with words. Either a law is a law and is binding, or it is no law, and man is not bound but is free to commit those acts. The commandment, "Thou shalt not kill," means that man's life cannot be taken. Is not the perversion of the word of life a means of taking or injuring life? Must not false preachers be termed murderers? In an age when the foundations of law are under attack, the faithful servant of Yahweh will most zealously and clearly proclaim that law. In Martin Luther's words, If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the truth of Yahweh except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at the moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christ. Where the battle rages, there the loyalty of the soldier is proven, and to be steady on all the battlefield besides, is merely flight and disgrace if he flinches at that point. With Adam's fall, man fell, and Yahweh's law-order was broken. With Christ's victory, man in Christ triumphed, and Yahweh's law-order was restored, with its mandate to exercise dominion under Yahweh and to subdue the earth. Can any man of Yahweh proclaim less?
2/7/2007 6:57:54 PM	Christ and the Law
jewelz5 Monteagle, TN age: 53	Jesus is not God or God is not Jesus...Jesus was not God in the flesh...though Jesus was a real dude and a good one at that, certainly. To try and discribe God would be to limit God. God cannot be in two places at one time. God does not know fear and be a loving God. God is not loving, God is love itself, where ever you see love, there is God. God does not judge, man does a good enough job as it is....You were not born with fear it was taught to you intentionally on purpose...there were and are other examples of Jesus's caliber that came here to help certain people of our time to have some rules to live by because they were not far enough along in there spiritual evolvment to be able to figure much out on their own as most are today. All very simple stuff like do onto others...don't kill anyone as matter of fact don't kill anything!..etc...You don't need the Bible to figure that out...Its just a control mechanism put into place that has been twisted many times since it was written through the fraudulent use of language by a bunch of evil demonic reptilian shape shifting gangsters to keep you in line like good girls and boys so you will behave properly for the globalist running the world to keep your ass so busy and worn out and so full of controversy arguing with everyone about what you think you believe when you don't have a clue for yourself. Religion creates jobs for the clergy to get rich and be the ponds for the vatican who is running this evil show and creates alot of controversy for you so they can keep starting all the wars we have going on so they can continue to get rich over and kill more people for population control at your expense and make you feel like they are doing you a big favor by passing the basket so you can buy them a new cadillac and a new suit every year...The Bible had a specific audience of those in the region at the time as Jesus was just one of many 5th density Star Children visiting Earth with the intent of passing on a message of love thy neighbor as thyself, and the spread of Christianity not anticipated anymore than the spread of the Koran almost worldwide. Thus, those who interpreted his words or put their personal visions into words were in this tradition, speaking to the people of the area at that time.
2/7/2007 8:27:34 PM	Christ and the Law
neverfear Fort Collins, CO age: 54	While Christians in America walk around in a consumer-driven, glassy-eyed fog, living the relatively good-life, waiting for Jesus to come and rapture them away, out of the time of trouble that is to come upon all other mankind, the world at large is beginning to hate American Christians more than any other species on the planet, and sadly, rightfully so. When the persecution of the church begins it will not be like it was in the days of Rome, good vs. evil, but will be fueled by the righteous indignation of unbelievers to the self righteous, the greatly deceived - the fallen who have come out of the true teachings of Yahshua, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”, in support of domestic and global oppression, torture and murder for the cause of the state (the literal beast) rather than standing for the true Gospel of Yahshua. The Book of Revelation (which we are in the opening pages of now) describes the anti-Christian backlash of what we are currently witnessing in America's global domination and internal police state agenda, which is supported by mostly Christians who worship the president and his policies more than the teachings of Christ or even their own U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. This automatically creates an anti-Christ Christian, or one who is against the teachings of Yahshua when they differ from that of the policies of the beast (government). Someone asked Benjamin Franklin, "What kind of government do we have." To which he replied, "A republic, if you can keep it." It appears that we will not. The Christian church in America has been fed a carefully crafted fable of endtime events by the disciples of Satan in order to get them off-guard as to the truth of what end time prophecy is truly saying, and in effect has caused many to fulfill the ungodly roles of the very characters whom they see as some future manifestation. In other words, what we have perceived as some future prophetic events are actually happening right now.
2/7/2007 11:28:28 PM	Christ and the Law
universalsoul Kansas City, MO age: 39	After all of that (verbosity) from excessive, copy,paste,sending, Their still is the blindness, Towards the true knowledge of God.(lol) So anyway, copy and paste away! If, it makes the fabricated and illusory "dogmatic ego" content.(lol) Nonetheless, Truth is much more vast then all of the copying and paste in the world.(lol) The truth is not about that "redundant" Impulse. So, enjoy, the "exotericism" And "Dogmatic" Representations.(lol) (Afterall, their is plenty of room left, For constant Dogmatic following)lol
2/8/2007 10:56:24 AM	Christ and the Law
universalsoul Kansas City, MO age: 39	One said, That, "The christian church has been fed a crafty fable." Yes,Very well put!
2/8/2007 11:33:03 AM	Christ and the Law
neverfear Fort Collins, CO age: 54	Thanks for your opinion. neverfear
2/8/2007 6:33:54 PM	Christ and the Law
jewelz5 Monteagle, TN age: 53	The Christian religion and Masonry have one and the same common origin: Both are derived from the worship of the Sun. The difference between their origin is, that the Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun. Contrary to popular belief, there was no single man at the genesis of Christianity but many characters rolled into one, the majority of whom were personifications of the ubiquitous solar myth, whose exploits were well known, as reflected by such popular deities as Mithra, Heracles/Hercules, Dionysus and many others throughout the Roman Empire and beyond. The story of Jesus as portrayed in the Gospels is revealed to be nearly identical in detail to that of the earlier savior-gods Krishna and Horus, who for millennia preceding Christianity held great favor with the people in much the same way as Jesus does today. Thus, the Jesus character is not unique or original, not "divine revelation." These redeemer tales are similar not because they reflect the actual exploits of a variety of men who did and said the identical things, but because they are representations of the same extremely ancient body of knowledge that revolved around the celestial bodies and natural forces. The result of this mythmaking has been The Christ Conspiracy, The Greatest Story Ever Sold. Christianity and the story of Jesus Christ were created by members of various secret societies, mystery schools and religions in order to unify the Roman Empire under one state religion. In making such a fabrication, this multinational cabal drew upon a multitude of myths and rituals that already existed long before the Christian era, and reworked them for centuries into the story and religion passed down today. The real foundation of Christianity appears nothing like the image provided by the clergy and mainstream authorities. Indeed, far more rosy and cheerful than the reality is the picture painted by the vested interests as to the origins of the Christian religion: To wit, a miracle-making founder and pious, inspired apostles who faithfully and infallibly recorded his words and deeds shortly after his advent, and then went about promulgating the faith with great gusto and success in "saving souls." Contrary to this popular delusion, the reality is that, in addition to the enormous amount of bloodshed which accompanies its foundation, Christianity's history is rife with forgery and fraud. So rampant is this treachery and chicanery that any serious researcher must immediately begin to wonder about the story itself. In truth, the Christian tale has always been as difficult to swallow as the myths and fables of other cultures; yet countless people have been able to overlook the rational mind and to willingly believe it, even though they may equally as easily dismiss the nearly identical stories of these other cultures.... There is no evidence for the historicity of the Christian founder, that the earliest Christian proponents were as a whole either utterly credulous or astoundingly deceitful, and that said "defenders of the faith" were compelled under incessant charges of fraud to admit that Christianity was a rehash of older religions. It has also been demonstrated that the world into which Christianity was born was filled with assorted gods and goddesses, as opposed to a monotheistic vacuum. In fact, in their fabulous exploits and wondrous powers many of these gods and goddesses are virtually the same as the Christ character, as attested to by the Christian apologists themselves. "Jesus Christ" is in fact a compilation of these various gods, who were worshipped and whose dramas were regularly played out by ancient people long before the Christian era....
2/9/2007 9:32:00 AM	Christ and the Law
universalsoul Kansas City, MO age: 39	Hey Jewelz, Now u really are going beyond organized dogma.(lol) However, u know the results.(They are obvious) It is unfortunete that, The codes can't be broken from the "profane" U are full of surprises. And now, u are coming "Initiatic" However, beware of "ruffians" Travel light! (But) Keep traveling "Firm" (lol)
2/9/2007 10:26:51 AM	Christ and the Law
universalsoul Kansas City, MO age: 39	But Jewelz5, Within the true mathematical reasoning, In which should be asked to u! If, even such a person or people, has even a little "inkling" Of being more open minded. Then, If so! It would be wise to ask u. These very important questions: What is a secret society, what is a mystery school; What is it that they know; That the multitudes don't know? And, If u was asked! Notice "If"(lol) Then, I'm sure that, U wouldn't want a dogmatic and cynical, Along with the normal mood and mindset towards disposition. However, Of course! The question might not even occur in conscience. And even if so! The natural tendency is: 1. To pretend to know the importance. But, have no true clue, other than the assumption to know from dogmatic rhetoric. And or, 2.Really want to ask u. But, are unconsciously afraid, That if, u was asked with true innate convictions, without the slightest apprehension. That, u might expose a very important, As well as, "potent" Big part of the grand Jig saw puzzle. In which could deeply help the "inner self," of "Many" other self's On the other hand: The deeply embeddedness of illusions could be the eternal resting point. However, may we all ask away! In order to receive answers. Afterall, It would be "wise" For me to ask u these very important questions. In which are hidden parts, Within the 4 corners of the universal order of things. So, may we all ask away with questions!
2/27/2007 11:14:48 AM	Christ and the Law
whitehawk Eugene, OR age: 53	Hmmmmm..Universalsoul...I see you also ..may be into a certain insight that refers to Reptiles.... Controling forces at work..hmmmm..me thinks so... Whitehawk
2/27/2007 3:12:48 PM	Christ and the Law
universalsoul Kansas City, MO age: 39	Whitehawk, For now, I'm going to take your statement here as a compliment. Due to David icke's works, being geared towards helping humanity, as oppose to controlling humanity. I'm for anyone who in which does extensive research and heart felt compassion towards humanity. Now, as to rather who believes in his works to be true or false. Well, that is freely up to their own self. So, hmmmmm, thank you!
2/27/2007 4:15:18 PM	Christ and the Law
whitehawk Eugene, OR age: 53	Your Welcome...

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