is chivalry really dead? 121

5/22/2009 5:02:18 PM	is chivalry really dead?
daniel92592 Temecula, CA age: 32	Quote from goodgato: Wrong - bad boys show chivalrous behavior and I've yet to meet one that expected a female to pick up a date tab!! They're all about good manners - that's been my experience, anyway. This is with complete respect... So a bad boy that picks up the tab then abuses her emotionally is fine, Tosses furniture or grabs her out of rage, Sees multiple women and openly tells a girl that she is just one of many because he doesn't want to be tied down, Ignores all her calls and texts because were at a ball game, the returns them completely drunk at the after party. I am interested in what your idea of a bad boy is TBH, as I think we have two different opinions. I have seen many women fall for this type and say, oh he loves me. Or you just don't understand him like I do. Is a bad boy just someone on a cruiser in leathers, that needs a shower after a ride?
5/22/2009 5:13:34 PM	is chivalry really dead?
beu24 Beverly Hills, CA age: 50	Quote from drummaster777: Real respect is earned, not demanded. Not neccessary, you respect the President, you repect your boss, you respect your elders and friends and family and not all has earned the respect.
5/22/2009 5:13:45 PM	is chivalry really dead?
sweet_li Orlando, FL age: 44	Quote from goodgato: Wrong - bad boys show chivalrous behavior and I've yet to meet one that expected a female to pick up a date tab!! They're all about good manners - that's been my experience, anyway. same here on every single date i've ever been asked on, i have never had to pay the tab (or my own tab) for anything because they wouldn't allow me to. even when i've insisted! i have never asked a guy out in my life, but if i ever did, i would pick up the tab for both of us because that is just proper etiquette.
5/22/2009 5:17:28 PM	is chivalry really dead?
daniel92592 Temecula, CA age: 32	My question is what do you consider a bad boy, I think we have two different opinions.
5/22/2009 5:35:05 PM	is chivalry really dead?
crzyblubttrfly Fort Smith, AR age: 50	Chivalry is absolutely everywhere. Am I on a different planet.?? I am a poor working girl type and even badboy types do those things around me. I let them know it's appreciated. There are good men in and out of the shop I work at that have some old fashioned home training.
5/22/2009 10:14:06 PM	is chivalry really dead?
hunter333 Pensacola, FL age: 38	Quote from sweet_li: Quote from hunter333: "amen to that! there's your answer. how messed up is it for women to get everything they want in the world & they STILL complain! let me see if i got this right.... you want the man to pay for everything under the sun everywhere you go, & on top of that you want him to kiss your a at every turn acting like a butler treating you like royalty?" well first of all, i don't know where you get that i specifically stated that i want a man to "pay for everything under the sun everywhere i go" or that i expect to be "treated like royalty". and i don't appreciate the negative tone that you're taking with me on my thread. you can state your opinion without being rude, okay? if you're unable to post your opinion in a respectful and polite manner, then please be so kind as to not post in here anymore.** and um, as far as "my stupid quiz" is concerned, it wasn't mine. it was a quiz i had copy and pasted from esquire.com. had you read and comprehended my post, you would've known that. i posted the quiz as something fun and silly for guys to do. if you thought it was so "stupid", then why did you read through it? why did you even bother posting here? just so you could take advantage of an opportunity to be rude and impose your misogynistic attitude on me, someone you don't even know? if you never possessed the intelligence, courtesy and common sense to post in my thread with respect and manners, then you should've never posted here. out of the one zillion threads on DH, you chose this one. with all due respect, please do not post in my thread again. ever. 1st of all, i'll post whenever & wherever i feel like posting your majesty. & just because you said that, i will post in your thread as much as i can your majesty just to make you as happy as possible. 2nd, you are the one who asked all of the guys what they thought of your flawed ideas. as a matter of fact, you asked us 4 times what we thought about it! to quote you: "so, how about it guys? is chivalry dead? and if it isn't, why do so many women complain about men not behaving like a gentleman towards them? are you chivalrous towards any woman you date, or do you believe in 'gender equality' and let your date open her own door or pull out her own chair?" that was you that wrote that! ^ do you remember writing that? had you read and comprehended what you were writing, you would've known that when you ask all the guys all those questions, you are going to get lots of answers. of course had you read and comprehended what you were writing, you would've known that. 3rdly, I didn’t impose anything on anybody. I merely stated my opinion like all of the other hundreds of posters did. The fact that you don’t like my opinion doesn’t make it any less legitimate. Misogynistic? Please… Im going to prove right now that you are a misandrist if I am a misogynist. (I bet the farm you didn’t even know that word existed) Lets see…if I made a thread that stated how I couldn’t find any women anymore to cook my meals, do my laundry, clean the house, keep their mouths shut & stay barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and that there must not be any good women left. then I asked all the women why is it so hard to find a good women anymore? you & all of the women in here would hate me & call me bad names and all the rest of it. So what is the difference when you say that you want a man to be your servant & go before you opening doors & pulling out your chairs everywhere you go, paying for everything, fighting your battles for you, sacrificing his life for you to wild animals and all the rest of it? If you are honest, you will know there is no difference. But for some reason, its ok to talk about men like that but not ok to talk about women like that. That is what’s called a double standard. That is the point of my entire post. Women get away with ANYTHING! If a woman doesn’t like what a man says in a bar or anywhere else, & slaps him, or throws her drink in his face, or kicks him in the nuts, it’s funny. But let a man do that & he will be in jail before you can say double standard. Why is that? they both did the same thing yet one gets punished & the other gets applauded and laughter. But whats even worse is that society has made it ok to treat men like 2nd class citizens & no one even notices because of the double standard that has been accepted by both men & women. The answer to your op is what I agreed to in the 1st place. Women killed chivalry.
5/22/2009 10:34:23 PM	is chivalry really dead?
adryanna31655 Logan, OH age: 54	Wow this opened a can of worms. It depends on where you are and who you are with. I encounter many men who are very respectful unfortuantely most of them are married. LOL The younger generation in general does have spoiled brat issues and it's a problem created by the "me generation" parents. Children are taught to be self centered. I also agree that some women have turned men off from being respectful also as I have encountered some that have been down right rude when a door was opened for them. I personally hold doors for everyone male or female. I also pull out chairs for elderly ladies. Respect is a two way street. You don't have to be male to pay respect to someone.
5/23/2009 1:09:15 AM	is chivalry really dead?
crgzero Tulsa, OK age: 34	Quote from daniel92592: This is with complete respect... So a bad boy that picks up the tab then abuses her emotionally is fine, Tosses furniture or grabs her out of rage, Sees multiple women and openly tells a girl that she is just one of many because he doesn't want to be tied down, Ignores all her calls and texts because were at a ball game, the returns them completely drunk at the after party. I am interested in what your idea of a bad boy is TBH, as I think we have two different opinions. I have seen many women fall for this type and say, oh he loves me. Or you just don't understand him like I do. Is a bad boy just someone on a cruiser in leathers, that needs a shower after a ride? You have to look at it from Goodgato's perspective, all she cares about is getting a free meal, as long as she gets that freebie she's happy. Toss her something free occasionally and she'll deal with being treated like shit. Judging by what she says in many posts, that sounds about right.
5/23/2009 1:36:32 AM	is chivalry really dead?
bigdog198 Melbourne, FL age: 57	Quote from hsprin: Well I wouldn't say that it is dead but it is dying for sure. And most men don't know what it really is. However, I was with a guy friend Saturday night that always opens my car door whether or not I am driving or he is. And my daughter went with us and he did it for her too and buckled her up. He opens any and all doors where we go in. Does the chair thing. Bought our dinner and another girls who's bday it was, even not asked or expected. Carried my daughter too the car who was tired and in the house as well. etc etc list goes on. He is very sweet, one of the good ones that are left. He is very respectful and nice. Maybe boardline too nice. This is how a real man is and for some reason you will not like him and love some guy that sits around a tells you to get him another beer. (it's how I've been treeted for the past 5yrs by women) You think that just because we care for you and treet you like a woman insted of a Ho we'er to nice and not worth your time.
5/23/2009 3:00:15 PM	is chivalry really dead?
goodgato Fort Lauderdale, FL age: 44 online now!	Quote from crgzero: You have to look at it from Goodgato's perspective, all she cares about is getting a free meal, as long as she gets that freebie she's happy. Toss her something free occasionally and she'll deal with being treated like shit. Judging by what she says in many posts, that sounds about right. What an embittered man you are! I feel bad for you, and hope that one day you'll be able to be a pleasant human being again. Good luck getting any woman with that attitude. Lighten up and realize that you have zero idea what you're talking about with regard to me. Take your meds, please, dude.
5/23/2009 3:04:02 PM	is chivalry really dead?
goodgato Fort Lauderdale, FL age: 44 online now!	Quote from daniel92592: This is with complete respect... So a bad boy that picks up the tab then abuses her emotionally is fine, Tosses furniture or grabs her out of rage, Sees multiple women and openly tells a girl that she is just one of many because he doesn't want to be tied down, Ignores all her calls and texts because were at a ball game, the returns them completely drunk at the after party. I am interested in what your idea of a bad boy is TBH, as I think we have two different opinions. I have seen many women fall for this type and say, oh he loves me. Or you just don't understand him like I do. Is a bad boy just someone on a cruiser in leathers, that needs a shower after a ride? What's all this about tossing furniture and all the other silliness you mentioned? That's not my experience; if it's yours, hey, whaddya projecting it on me for? My friends are nice, not jerkoffs. A bad boy doesn't whine on the Internet. That's all I'm sayin'. I don't know what a cruiser in leathers is, either...maybe that's what you're interested in, but not me!
5/23/2009 3:28:34 PM	is chivalry really dead?
daniel92592 Temecula, CA age: 32	Quote from goodgato: What's all this about tossing furniture and all the other silliness you mentioned? That's not my experience; if it's yours, hey, whaddya projecting it on me for? My friends are nice, not jerkoffs. A bad boy doesn't whine on the Internet. That's all I'm sayin'. I don't know what a cruiser in leathers is, either...maybe that's what you're interested in, but not me! I am not projecting it to you, as you have missed the entire point of the post. So, for a guy to be a bad boy, it is just a man who does not whine on the internet? Like i said before I feel we have two different opinions on what a bad boy is and I was trying to figure out what yours was. I have seen over the years many women, with bad boys who have the traits I have described above. I for one am not just whining on the side trying to hook up with some girl and play a nice guy role. I have seen a lot abusive relationships where the woman is blindly in love with this stereotype of a bad boy. The second reference was to a guy on a motorcycle. And again why would i have any interest in that? I was asking what you would consider a true bad boy? [Edited 5/23/2009 3:31:34 PM PST]
5/23/2009 4:54:05 PM	is chivalry really dead?
crgzero Tulsa, OK age: 34	Quote from goodgato: What an embittered man you are! I feel bad for you, and hope that one day you'll be able to be a pleasant human being again. Good luck getting any woman with that attitude. Lighten up and realize that you have zero idea what you're talking about with regard to me. Take your meds, please, dude. I know exactly what I'm talking about, I read your posts, and they're nearly always about the same thing when it involves how you think men should be. Bow down, kiss ass, don't ask questions and fork out that money. Let's add, you talk shit about me, then block me in a vain hope I can't see you talking shit. Looks like blocking me doesn't work so great after all. Someone will have to quote this post though for you to see it, since I know technically the block function is supposed to work both ways now. I'm not bitter, just stating the truth, and as usual if a man disagrees with a woman he MUST be bitter. Pay more attention to the world, instead of just YOUR world. Life, is.
5/23/2009 5:11:02 PM	is chivalry really dead?
goodgato Fort Lauderdale, FL age: 44 online now!	Quote from daniel92592: I am not projecting it to you, as you have missed the entire point of the post. So, for a guy to be a bad boy, it is just a man who does not whine on the internet? Like i said before I feel we have two different opinions on what a bad boy is and I was trying to figure out what yours was. I have seen over the years many women, with bad boys who have the traits I have described above. I for one am not just whining on the side trying to hook up with some girl and play a nice guy role. I have seen a lot abusive relationships where the woman is blindly in love with this stereotype of a bad boy. The second reference was to a guy on a motorcycle. And again why would i have any interest in that? I was asking what you would consider a true bad boy? Sorry if I missed your point...I keep it simple and direct. It's not a longwinded, complex answer: I consider a "bad boy" to be a man who doesn't seek out or need validation from females. Simple as that.
5/23/2009 5:14:24 PM	is chivalry really dead?
shiloo1 Tulsa, OK age: 29	Quote from goodgato: Sorry if I missed your point...I keep it simple and direct. It's not a longwinded, complex answer: I consider a "bad boy" to be a man who doesn't seek out or need validation from females. Simple as that. I'd ask how that would make a man a "bad boy", but I'm fairly certain your answer would be trite. To me, that would be any "man". A "man" doesn't need validation from anyone. He is his own "man". And to quote a good "man" I know, "doesn't need a woman to carry his balls in her purse".

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