| 12/7/2007 12:59:53 AM |
Is being against illegal immigration a racist mindeset? |
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leahmarie
Aston, PA
age: 59 online now!
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brilliantlady has made some good points to which I want to add. With the downturn in housing and other weakening of the economy, less-skilled American workers are facing some tough times. The last thing we should do is to allow illegal workers to compete with them for the remaining jobs.
Another point is that recent Census data show that foreign worker households are far more likely to require taxpayer subsidies. Why would we continue to allow illegals to come here and take away taxpayer dollars that could be well spent on American citizens?
It is not a racist mindset to be against illegal immigration.
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| 12/7/2007 1:37:06 AM |
Is being against illegal immigration a racist mindeset? |
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jewelz5
Monteagle, TN
age: 53
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leahmarie:
Why would we continue to allow illegals to come here and take away taxpayer dollars that could be well spent on American citizens?
Why would we continue? Because sleeping beauty is asleep remember? and they don't want her to wake up, because if she did all hell would break loose. The keepers of your destiny have other plans for you. They trained you to behave in the manner in which you do, to be hyperfocused, they filled your head up with so much controversy that you would be forever lost in a sea of chaos and confusion and they knew that you would never have the ability to get your shit together in time.
They keep you so occupied discussing issues of little or no significants, like immigration, when they could care less because they are doing away with the consitution. You can't have a one world government and a constitution at the same time. It's the soviet art of brainwashing and they had to truamatize the hell out of you so you would be a good obedient god fearing slave. And they love you for it.
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| 12/7/2007 8:40:40 AM |
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wildgypsy
Bellevue, WA
age: 45
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As far as the argument that businesses are to blame for all of this, I don't agree. If the illegals hadn't come here in the first place, then the businesses never would have been able to hire them at all. Sure, once these businesses found out what a cheap deal they could get, they kept on hiring more as they came, but the point is, unless you can prove that these companies were point blank shipping them in, then it is more like taking advantage of something within reach, not being the basic cause. If the illegals quit coming, that would dry up this problem, not to mention making it a lot easier to clean up the rest of the mess. Much like the floods people are experiencing due to the weather. Have to stop the flow before it is worth the bother of trying to clean up.
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| 12/7/2007 2:10:31 PM |
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jays82
Delphos, OH
age: 43
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Actually I call it the Wal-mart-a-zation of America. Lower the price as low as you can and don't care who gets hurt in the process. So you hire criminal invaders and even if you pay them the same rate under the table your not paying taxes or insurance to have them work for you saving a lot of money for the company.
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| 12/7/2007 7:37:28 PM |
Is being against illegal immigration a racist mindeset? |
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jewelz5
Monteagle, TN
age: 53
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9 minute video NORTH AMERICAN UNION & VCHIP TRUTH
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| 12/7/2007 9:35:31 PM |
Is being against illegal immigration a racist mindeset? |
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blueshortcake
Stanford, KY
age: 57
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Thank you for posting the film. So much truth, yet so many will not listen. It is all around us People. WAKE UP!!!
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| 12/7/2007 10:21:41 PM |
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soulcitywalker
Lexington, KY
age: 48
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leahmarie: Why would we continue to allow illegals to come here and take away taxpayer dollars that could be well spent on American citizens?
SCW: What's the difference between spending it in Iraq, Iran, or other places and on "illegal" immigrants?!
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| 12/7/2007 10:26:00 PM |
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soulcitywalker
Lexington, KY
age: 48
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wildgypsy: As far as the argument that businesses are to blame for all of this, I don't agree. If the illegals hadn't come here in the first place, then the businesses never would have been able to hire them at all.
SCW: Classic wildgypsy...totally devoid of any facts.
Look at the CAFTA, GATT, and NAFTA agreements.
The American businesses that went to Mexico and South America...are forcing the immigrants to come to the US.
Do your research.
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| 12/7/2007 10:28:02 PM |
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leahmarie
Aston, PA
age: 59 online now!
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jewel..... I know you are missing quite a few marbles, but what is all this nonsense about Sleeping Beauty? Every time you direct a post to me, it is always Sleeping Beauty.
 I forgot. People with extremely limited knowledge say the same thing over and over.
Anyway, here's to you 
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| 12/7/2007 10:31:09 PM |
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leahmarie
Aston, PA
age: 59 online now!
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soulcityworker.......
You misread my post. I never said that we should continue to allow illegals to come here. I am against that, because to repeat myself, illegals take away taxpayer dollars that could be well spent on American citizens.
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| 12/7/2007 10:33:27 PM |
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soulcitywalker
Lexington, KY
age: 48
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Part 1
The Impact of U.S. Trade Policies on Immigration
For those that don't like to read, like QoH, just read the last 5 paragraphs
In the 1990s , the U.S. has allowed record numbers of immigrants into the U.S. Legal permanent immigrants have entered at rates of nearly a million annually. This level of new prospective citizens by itself ensures that immigrants and their families provide the fastest growing sector of the U.S. population.
The recently liberalized U.S. policies in supplying foreign workers to fulfill industrial needs are producing still more immigrants. These include 600,000 workers and family members under the Permanent Worker Certification Program and over 1 million temporary workers. Many temporary of these temporary workers become illegal immigrants by staying on after their visas have expired.The H-1B program has brought in another quarter million workers for "specialty occupation" employment needs since 1990. Many of these are used for good paying specialty jobs for which there is already an excess of college graduates in the U.S. Trade agreements like NAFTA expand this already swollen pool by assuring that the employees of businesses in the U.S. owned by our NAFTA partners may enter for unlimited periods.
In addition there are dozens of occupations for which our trade agreements allow immigrants from Mexico and Canada to reside and work in the U.S. without time limits. All of these policies have contributed to reducing the number of good jobs available to U.S. workers as well as lowering wages.
The trade policies of the U.S. have also spurred the increase in illegal immigration.Some illegal immigrants are temporary, working here for a season or a year and then returning.The total illegal immigration which adds to the permanent U.S population has been estimated at 300,000 per year. Perhaps half this number are due to immigrants who entered the U.S. legally and remained when their visa expired. The rest enter the U.S. illegally and remain here. The bulk of these enter the United States by crossing our border with Mexico. In the Fall of 1993 the Clinton Administration aired a NAFTA promotion featuring testimonials by four Presidents.
Ex-President Ford stated that NAFTA would reduce the flow of illegal immigrants across the Mexican border by providing jobs in Mexico. He concluded that if NAFTA failed of passage its opponents would have to bear the blame for the increased volume of illegals crossing the border. Actually, the independent demographers, both in Mexico and the United States, agreed that the economic dislocations caused by NAFTA would significantly increase the number of illegal immigrants. INS commissioner Doris Meissner stated that in a press conference but also pointed out that the migratory flows would not be expected to last more than 10 years.
The actual increase in illegal border crossing was more than were envis- ioned. In the early NAFTA period the U.S. was "swamped by an unprec- edented wave of illegal immigration" crossing the Mexican border. In the first year, Arizona officials reported more than 80,000 arrests of illegals attempting to enter the U.S. That was an increase of 53% over the pre- NAFTA level. The volume saturated INS operational capacity to the point that many apprehended illegals were simply let go (1). The succeeding year even this record volume of illegal entry was surpassed by 40%. Following the successful political rhetoric of Republicans criticizing the federal governments inept border performance , the Clinton Administration reacted with a well publicized intitative to secure the borders.
[Edited 12/7/2007 10:35:00 PM]
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| 12/7/2007 10:34:39 PM |
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soulcitywalker
Lexington, KY
age: 48
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part 2
This effort was Operation Gatekeeper which featured many miles of border fences shielding El Paso and San Diego as well as beefed up Border Patrols. In addition severe pressure was put upon the Border guards to underreport arrests and to report many of the arrests as though they occurred in less politically sensitive areas. The INS reports then featured the reduced number of arrests report in the San Diego area, for example. The Chief Border Patrol Agent for the San Diego area eventually contacted Commissioner Meissner about immigration officals "falsifying intelligence reports" to reflect a downturn in arrests (2). The agents said they were told " You sit on this X. And if you see something going on somewhere else, don't worry about it." Thus while the INS was claiming that "Gatekeeper is a great program that's working wonderfully well", the reality was that overall intervention was probably less effective.
NAFTA provided a radically different competitive environment for many of Mexico's domestic industries that caused severe dislocations. The most widespread may have been in the agricultural sector where millions of campesinos depended on the sale of grain for income. Farmers who could not afford motorized equipment found themselves in competiton with the great grain producing combines of the U.S. and Canadian Midwest.
Previous to NAFTA, the communal farming lands (Eijidos) had been secured to the campesinoes "in perpetuity" by Article 27 of the Constitution of 1917. Regarding this as economically inefficient, the planners of the Salinas regime revoked this provision as part of the implementing legislation for NAFTA. Thus NAFTA implementation meant not only that many of Mexico's small farmers became economically obsolete but that their ancestral lands could be seized by the large landowners for debts. An analysis of the impact by Professor Calva (3) indicated that a total population of 10 million small grain farmers would be at risk of being forced off the land due to NAFTA.
Indeed the grain imports from the U.S. and Canada had by 1995 already captured over one third of the Mexican grain market. The impact of the invasion of U.S. businesses on other domestic Mexican businesses was also severe. After NAFTA, retailers like Walmart expanded rapidly in Mexico to much U.S. publicity. This expansion was fueled by their ability to sell goods at prices significantly lower than their Mexican competitors. Walmart managed to cut a wide swath in domestic Mexican retailers until an investigation revealed that their goods were largely manufactured in China and the Mexican government imposed a 300% duty on all goods imported from China.
After the economic depression in the second year of NAFTA, Mexico had lost well over a million jobs in a country where over a million young people enter the job market every year (5). It's not surprising that under these circumstances the number of illegal immigrants from Mexico has sharply increased.
U.S. trade policy with Mexico served the needs of multi-national corporations for low cost labor at the expense of increased illegal immigration for decades prior to NAFTA.The Border Industrialization Program, proposed in 1965, allowed entirely foreign-owned corporations to set operations within a virtually tax- and tariff free 12.5 mile strip on the Mexican side of the border.
This became known as the Maquiladora program in reference to the notoriously low wages (even by domestic Mexican standards). These plants attracted young workers from the rural areas of central and northern Mexico to the border areas. There the laborers often found a lack of infrastructure for the workers living areas and wages inadequate to support a family even in the humblest circumstances. When these workers had acquired electronic or automotive assembly skills the equivalent of U.S. workers making several times the Maquiladora wage, it is hardly surprising that many of these workers took their factory skills to the U.S.
In the Ciudad Juarez area, where the numerous auto subassembly plants existed prior to 1980, as well as many other areas the annual labor turnover rate exceeded 50%. Thus the border strip Maquiladoros operated as a giant migratory pump; first drawing labor from the interior regions of Mexico to the border area under the lure of factory jobs and then sending them across the border under the pressure of poor wages and living conditions and the lack of alternative employment on the Mexican side of the border.
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| 12/7/2007 10:36:22 PM |
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hotrod08
Great Bend, KS
age: 32
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Not racist.....but damn! This country can only hold so many people before we end up living in conditions like the people in China....
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| 12/7/2007 10:40:49 PM |
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soulcitywalker
Lexington, KY
age: 48
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leah: You misread my post. I never said that we should continue to allow illegals to come here.
SCW: I NEVER wrote that you did. Show me where you think I wrote that.
I simply asked what is the difference between spending money in Iraq, Iran, and other places and on "illegal immigrants?!"
That does NOT imply that you support giving money to them.
So *you* mis-read my message.
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| 12/7/2007 10:41:35 PM |
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jewelz5
Monteagle, TN
age: 53
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yes leahmarie you do forget, it's not your fault....people with extremely limited understanding need to hear the same thing over and over again. Try carrying a tape recorder around it might help your forgetfullness. Either that or check your prescriptions, you might need to up the dosages to help with your delemma.
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