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6/23/2008 4:46:22 AM Bible topic- Speaking in tongues  

imagoodone4sure
Xenia, OH
age: 48


Good for you Dana.....

6/23/2008 10:33:44 AM Bible topic- Speaking in tongues  

knightnyte2
Spring, TX
age: 55


Quote from dana1956:
knight,

please understand why I blocked her... it is not a matter of me being right or her being wrong. I blocked her because no matter what anyone has to say she is condescending and belittling to them. I can understand when one differs and I have no problem with that. If you have missed it, I give my opinion on what I believe and she comes back with nasty remarks, accusing me of being a liar, putting me in a class with satan and so on. I see no value in her comments as a whole. I can't do anything about her in other threads but I do not have to look at it in mine. If you look closely at her posts you can see what I am talking about. You don't have to think I would do that to you as I see you are not one to condescend or belittle another.

God be with you
Dana


aha... you haven't been here long enough. I've defiantly had rounds with a few who used to claim being Christian and yet, their post and threads did not concur. We all have our stages of our walk with God and Christ. I remember so much that I've said in the past, and then learn, just how wrong I was. I'm not perfect, just striving to be like the mind of Christ. I know what I know, and you know what you know. However, this is exactly what the atheist have done in the past to tear us down. Elizabeth has said some things that I took as a bit forceful, but then, I'm not of her mindset. Thus far, I've seen nothing she's posted that was wrong. Is she right in her approach? That's between God and her. I'm sure the frustration of seeing 'Sunday Morning Christians' speak as knowledgeable, yet, are just that. Part-time Christians. It got to me too. Just because I read and study scripture daily, pray several times daily, doesn't mean a think. I've seen tons of ministers who know scripture backwards, but are they Christian? Not by their actions. Jimmy Swaggart, Ken Copeland, Benny Hind, are all great ministers, but they are men. Men who get caught up in themselves, and not the word they preach. Human errors, sins against God. Yet, which of us are worthy of casting the first stone?
perhaps you need to look within yourself first. I do not know Elizabeth, and probably never will. But we have someone who knows scriptures more so than any of the rest of us, and until she misquotes or misdirects, I'll take her as she is.

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6/23/2008 2:44:41 PM Bible topic- Speaking in tongues  

sewright
Evansville, WI
age: 68


First let me say that I am of the Catholic faith. I have been associated with charismatic prayer groups in my Christian journey. It was during one prayer group that I was led to pray in the spirit. There was a Franciscan priest setting next to me. When I was done,this priest looked at me and said "do you know that you were praying in Greek." Yes I do believe it is a viable gift but it is the lesser of all gifts. There are times when a priest or minister will give a sermon and it can mean one thing to one person and another thing to someone setting right next to them. In a sense that preacher has spoken a different message to different people in the language they each understand and fulfilled different needs in each.

Dana, I wish you would reconsider your ban on Elizabeth, she does speak from the heart.
Hugs
Danielle

6/24/2008 12:57:02 AM Bible topic- Speaking in tongues  

dana1956
New Braunfels, TX
age: 51 online now!


Quote from knightnyte2:
Quote from dana1956:
knight,

please understand why I blocked her... it is not a matter of me being right or her being wrong. I blocked her because no matter what anyone has to say she is condescending and belittling to them. I can understand when one differs and I have no problem with that. If you have missed it, I give my opinion on what I believe and she comes back with nasty remarks, accusing me of being a liar, putting me in a class with satan and so on. I see no value in her comments as a whole. I can't do anything about her in other threads but I do not have to look at it in mine. If you look closely at her posts you can see what I am talking about. You don't have to think I would do that to you as I see you are not one to condescend or belittle another.

God be with you
Dana


aha... you haven't been here long enough. I've defiantly had rounds with a few who used to claim being Christian and yet, their post and threads did not concur. We all have our stages of our walk with God and Christ. I remember so much that I've said in the past, and then learn, just how wrong I was. I'm not perfect, just striving to be like the mind of Christ. I know what I know, and you know what you know. However, this is exactly what the atheist have done in the past to tear us down. Elizabeth has said some things that I took as a bit forceful, but then, I'm not of her mindset. Thus far, I've seen nothing she's posted that was wrong. Is she right in her approach? That's between God and her. I'm sure the frustration of seeing 'Sunday Morning Christians' speak as knowledgeable, yet, are just that. Part-time Christians. It got to me too. Just because I read and study scripture daily, pray several times daily, doesn't mean a think. I've seen tons of ministers who know scripture backwards, but are they Christian? Not by their actions. Jimmy Swaggart, Ken Copeland, Benny Hind, are all great ministers, but they are men. Men who get caught up in themselves, and not the word they preach. Human errors, sins against God. Yet, which of us are worthy of casting the first stone?
perhaps you need to look within yourself first. I do not know Elizabeth, and probably never will. But we have someone who knows scriptures more so than any of the rest of us, and until she misquotes or misdirects, I'll take her as she is.

i keep saying this, but if you want a wakeup call, listen to this. https://DateHookup.dating/Thread-109813.htm


Knight,

I know what I did was not Christ like, I know the other cheek was available, that is between God and I. But whether she knows the scripture or not... well let me say I myself would enjoy discussing Scripture with someone... well let me ask you... is grace earned or is it a free gift? do you HAVE to be water baptized to be saved... If so then why no jacuzzis in church... you see I believe in all of them but believe that they are not codependent. One can be saved by confession and belief having nothing to do with water, Desciples (brain lapse spelling) laid hands on to fill believers with the Holy Ghost and people recieve the Holy Ghost in church the same way. Now if you don't believe these to be true that is fine... that is your belief and and maybe your teaching. But if I were insult a man of God, your preacher that you esteem highly.. which the word of God also tells us to do... I called you a liar, and told you that satan was decieving you... how would you feel? I know my actions were wrong and for that I have to go the throne and and ask for forgiveness. But she has been asked to not use caps, and she does not care if it offends, so I don't care what she says she knows, the Holy Spirit is not flowing out of her. She has offended me, and the woman who asked her to please not use caps. I see many here apologize for offending others as I have done myself. I see her accusing myself and others of burger king religion but it is obvious she is guilty as well. I am sure you know what it says we must do if we offend others. I wish to offend no one but like most I will defend when attacked. To sum it up... it is not how much we know but how much we show. Hell will probably freeze over before anyone gets an apology from her, but I don't care, I forgive her but I don't have to have anything to do with her.

God Bless you
Dana

6/25/2008 4:20:54 PM Bible topic- Speaking in tongues  

caley8s
Underwood, IA
age: 21


Some may be true...some but in my opinion there are also some that are pure rubbish. Same goes for the spiritual healers, Do not forget the bible passage that says that near the second coming there will be false prophets and they will preform miracles, and sway the hearts of man.
Now I'm sure in writing this I'm opening myself up to being annihilated by people but remember I'm not challenging you just stating what I have come to believe.

6/25/2008 11:24:24 PM Bible topic- Speaking in tongues  

dana1956
New Braunfels, TX
age: 51 online now!


I respect anyone who respects others beliefs. I have problems with those who profess others are wrong, especially other Christians. God reveals to everyone in his own due season. There are plenty of scriptures to support speaking in tongues and only one who seeks the truth through the Holy Ghost will know it does exist. Now if one does not believe in it they will never experience it. It also only occurs when one submits to the principles and the Holy Spirit, having the Holy Spirit give the utterance. As for Spiritual healing, it has and does happen... but again if you read the bible Jesus almost always said... your faith has made you whole. All the Gifts of the Spirit, better described as the maninfestation of the Spirit are real. When we think of them as manifestations of the Spirit we take ourselves out of the picture. But remember ALL things have to line up with God's will.

6/26/2008 12:01:07 AM Bible topic- Speaking in tongues  

knightnyte2
Spring, TX
age: 55


But if I were insult a man of God, your preacher that you esteem highly.. which the word of God also tells us to do... I called you a liar, and told you that satan was decieving you... how would you feel? I know my actions were wrong and for that I have to go the throne and and ask for forgiveness. But she has been asked to not use caps, and she does not care if it offends, so I don't care what she says she knows, the Holy Spirit is not flowing out of her. She has offended me, and the woman who asked her to please not use caps. I see many here apologize for offending others as I have done myself. I see her accusing myself and others of burger king religion but it is obvious she is guilty as well. I am sure you know what it says we must do if we offend others. I wish to offend no one but like most I will defend when attacked. To sum it up... it is not how much we know but how much we show. Hell will probably freeze over before anyone gets an apology from her, but I don't care, I forgive her but I don't have to have anything to do with her.

God Bless you
Dana

Brother in Christ, you wouldn't need to call my minister a liar. I would do it for you. For some reason, after I moved away from home, every single church I've been associated with, I ask the minister, or anyone saying things that aren't in the bible to prove it. I go without anger, simply because I do not know everything. But when something is said or preached that isn't scripture, it needs to be corrected, does it not? If you tell me satan is deceiving me, then I would ask you to show me where. How would that be offensive? God is God. If you don't think God is offended by wrongful deeds, read your old testament. When God judged and punished Israel, it wasn't done lightly.

You say the Holy Spirit is not flowing out of her, and using caps offends you? She chastised me as well when I said something that wasn't exactly truth. I'm not defending her, I'm defending God. This is not about your denomination pal. Nor mine. Heck, I'm the first one to tear some of the Baptist beliefs apart. I'm not shy by any means when asking a minister to explain something to me either. It's either scripturally sound or not.

so, until she says something that cannot be proven scripturally, then I'll not condemn the messenger. Her way of saying things are her way. The same applies to you and I.

I ask you swallow that prideful sin and if nothing else, just read the post. I havent gone to a seminary, and other than what I read to backup what those I get advice from give me, I really do learn some here.

God bless all here..

6/26/2008 12:17:50 AM Bible topic- Speaking in tongues  

knightnyte2
Spring, TX
age: 55


Quote from dana1956:
I respect anyone who respects others beliefs. I have problems with those who profess others are wrong, especially other Christians. God reveals to everyone in his own due season. There are plenty of scriptures to support speaking in tongues and only one who seeks the truth through the Holy Ghost will know it does exist. Now if one does not believe in it they will never experience it. It also only occurs when one submits to the principles and the Holy Spirit, having the Holy Spirit give the utterance. As for Spiritual healing, it has and does happen... but again if you read the bible Jesus almost always said... your faith has made you whole. All the Gifts of the Spirit, better described as the maninfestation of the Spirit are real. When we think of them as manifestations of the Spirit we take ourselves out of the picture. But remember ALL things have to line up with God's will.


Dana, maybe that is a problem, not only with you, but me as well. We've respected others beliefs so much, we've lost of God. I'm not going to try to convert every person who confronts me with Christ, but the way I am shows them they are missing something in their belief. How many times have you ever received Mormon missionaries in your home? If so, did you not listen to them then said, its my turn now. I gave you your turn, not listen to what My God says. Your religion is based on one man who interpreted a sheet of metal from under a blanket, with only his word to back it up. No sheet of metal has been seen again. Now, My God started the same as yours. My Christ has over 22,000 documents to prove he was here, and he was who he said. You believe one man.

The bible is our direction, God is our goal. Man has a tendency to change the meaning of the bible to fit his direction, not God's.

Don't shoot the messenger because of the word..

God bless all here

6/30/2008 7:23:28 AM Bible topic- Speaking in tongues  

dana1956
New Braunfels, TX
age: 51 online now!


Knight,

thank you for your post. I understand what you are saying and I agree. The problem may be with me, but from what I see it is with a lot of other Christians also. There is nothing wrong with the message and let me make that perfectly clear. Also let me be the first to say there are problems in my life that God does not approve of. But He has not given up on me nor I Him. My problem is with a messenger who continually puts down other believers, telling them they are wrong but never offering an explanation of why or where. Read the bible is not the answer to this issue, If one misunderstood it the first time, may misunderstand it the next time. If one is not given a reference to look at to see for themselves where they might be in error, then what good does "you are wrong" do for them. To call people false teachers, being decieved by satan, and other such comments without scripture to back their position is like yelling in the wilderness. It is unfruitful and no one will hear. Do I think she is a Christian, probably, but the messenger is not sending a good message to other believers. I hear too many times that you took it out of context, or that you need to read all of it... but never an interpretaion of what she thinks it means. So my question to you is this... what good does this approach do. I will never tell you that you are wrong, only that I differ in interpretation and this is why I feel the way I do. The gospel is nat all about words, it is also about actions.

May God Bless you
Dana

6/30/2008 10:17:42 PM Bible topic- Speaking in tongues  

darlenemi51
Onaway, MI
age: 56


Dana,
Not to but-in, but to get back on the thread topic,
I would just like to recomend a book "They Speak With Other Tongues"
by John Sherill, very common in Charismatic circles.
It is in paperback, I don't know if it is still in print,
but has been for many years. You may have to find it in used books.
Try it you'll like it.
Darlene



[Edited 6/30/2008 10:19:11 PM]

7/1/2008 10:12:33 AM Bible topic- Speaking in tongues  

tara7c
Westerville, OH
age: 49


Wow...things got kind of interesting in this room...huh, Dana? I think you were right in blocking...you gave it your best shot and tried to bring some "correction" before blocking...to no avail.

I was raised in a Church of Christ. In 1985, I changed to an Assembly of God church because I knew that there had to be more than what I already knew. I received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues in 1986...along with other spiritual gifts that I operate in.

In our church, there are people who speak in tongues to the congregation. If they do...someone must step forward with the interpretation...if they don't, the person who spoke in tongues should be prepared to do so. If no one does..it is considered "out of order" according to the Word. So...the person better be pretty sure before stepping forward. To me...it's less stressful just to prophecy. There is much more prophecying than tongues and interpretation.

7/3/2008 12:23:59 AM Bible topic- Speaking in tongues  

dana1956
New Braunfels, TX
age: 51 online now!


tara7c,

thank you for being wrong with me. Speaking in tongues is a gift that all born again Christians that are baptized with the Holy Ghost receive. Just some chose not to beleive and that lack of belief inhibits the manifestation.

My belief


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