And yes, I believe I could submit to him if he is a real man. BC a real man takes care of home. If I am committed to him, I must havethe confidence that regardles of his decision it will be beneficiary for his family. If theres no benefit then the decision is wrong. Being submissive doesnt mean you cant tell somebody when they are wrong or messing up. Thats where as a woman in this partnership I have to step up and at times step in.

I just went through this in a relationship. And I can tell you from personal experience that you are going to have a hard time being a part time submissive.

If you have found the right man, he will NOT make the worng decisions. He WILL make mistakes. But if he does so with the best interest of the household in his heart, then He has made wise errors.

I dont think you quite have the right understanding of the word. Yes I think you women should submit to their husbands by giving their all. Husband should always be ruler over the home but dont get things twisted because thats not to say the husband should treat the wife like dirt or a slave but that wife should respect that husband.

Its not a matter or controling the wife and telling the wife what to do all the time or making that wife feel like crap because thats not what the word means. I think if more and more people, men and women, learned this principle then more marriages would last.

colemiss, I have this feeling that the "real man" you're looking for will demand your submissiveness or raise his hand to you. Be careful of finding what you consider a real man.

chicks need to know their place, now get back to the kitchen

Ohhh dear gawd! Just because a male's ovaries dropped dosen't mean by accident of gender he is necessarily more fit, let alone entitled, to lead. What is this? No "man" left behind?

I don't need to be protected or provided for - and it's a damn good thing with the predominant track record for the % of divorces. Equal in the traces. I may deffer to his strengths and abilities but he'd be a wise partner for a stronger partnership if he was smart enough to do the same. So no, OP, I don't have a problem with being "submissive" to my man - it's not even on the table.

LOL - I had my first black eye and it happened bumping heads with one of my colts when I was feeding in the dark. It was fun to see the looks I got everywhere I went and every male I know was asking me if they could retaliate for me. Except my male friends (they knew better).

@ stumpy. If I was looking for attention I'd be posting pix of myself in skimpy clothing. I just like the shock factor - makes me laugh to watch people judge others by what they SEE.

Gads, I just love ENTJs...if I was gay, I'd date you

Thanks for pointing out the logical yet apparently invisible elephant in the room; the whole 'know your role' thing for either gender irritates me.

Fortunately, the way others believe *I* should conduct *my*self in *my* relationship has no sway on me and effects my behavior not one iota, as that is something I decide for myself, nor is there anything wrong with my choice....and I afford (generic)you the same courtesy, even tho' (generic)you apparently deny that to me.

that was pointed out already. of course we dont need to. of course we have been doing just as much as them if not more. and being submissive wouldnt even be much of an option if the man is a strong man. we expect certain things from men, and that with in itself holds a position for the man, a role.

bet if any woman was get pushed around by some dude, and their man stood by and just watched, they'd have a problem. or was chopping wood while their male counterpart is sitting inside all cozy on the couch. ya been choppin wood, but i bet that piss you off. wonder why.....cuz something just isnt right with it.

roles...positions...parts...expectations...whatever you want to call it, we all have them. whether we fill them or not is up to us. but dont be mad when ya man leave you for another woman that treats them more like the men they should be treated as.

and if a man tell you different, you might wanna check which team he playin for. or he's just not worth much.

With all due respect, the pronouns used were "you", rather than "I"...'tis that I took exception to, and yes...telling others how they "should" live is denying them the courtesy of making that choice for him/her self. It's telling them they are wrong if they do it differently.

It is not wrong if you choose to be submissive to your mate, it is not wrong if you choose not to....and it certainly isn't for me to tell you what choice is right (and by inference, which is wrong).

That is also a flawed premise. Men are still men whether or not they live per the role you have decided they should have.

Colemiss, if you are referring to Ephesians 5, I don't think you can take the "submissive" part out of context and let it stand alone. I don't believe it was ever intended to stand alone. What precedes and what follows is equally important:

21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c]

Sounds like husbands (men) are called to an even higher responsibility and if I found a man who could live by those words, I don't think I would have any difficulty being submissive.

Colemiss, if you are referring to Ephesians 5, I don't think you can take the "submissive" part out of context and let it stand alone. I don't believe it was ever intended to stand alone. What precedes and what follows is equally important:

21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c]

Sounds like husbands (men) are called to an even higher responsibility and if I found a man who could live by those words, I don't think I would have any difficulty being submissive.

Isn't there a religious forum, ? this is an eat crap and die forum, no religious philosophy allowed.