Does a soul preceed self-awarness...?

2/28/2008 10:40:32 PM	Does a soul preceed self-awarness...?
burnkitty Fayetteville, AR age: 32	I'm curious if the existance of a soul would rely on one being aware of one's self. As far as I can gather, a soul's primary function is the accumulation of knowledge, experiences, and decisions over time, giving it structure and definition. But in order to be self-aware, one must sense themselves in relation to their enviroment. If one was unable to see, hear, taste, touch, or feel, and never had, he or she would not know anything existed, much less that they had. Then if this same person saw the color blue, they would then become not only aware of this new input, but question "What am I to conceive its' existance?", although there would be no language for them to ponder it. So again, would a soul exist only after self-awareness, or would it's existance preceed such a concept? Your thoughts?
2/29/2008 7:16:01 AM	Does a soul preceed self-awarness...?
wisegirl33 Queensland Australia age: 43	I guess it depends on what spiritual knowledge, religious beliefs or ideals you "believe in". If karmic transitions are what you espouse, believe in or know of; then the concept of a soul is "awareness in itself". One meaning is not separate from each other, and both are most certainly not mutually exclusive. Meaning that, depending on how many karmic souls you have experienced in the wonderland of the "cyle of life"; will determine how "spiritually aware" you have developed up to that point in time. ** I have written elsewhere by defintiion that an "old soul" has experienced more profound lives than a technically "younger soul". In religious terms, this means that "an older soul" who is more experienced with pain, joy, death, knowledge etc (you fill in the relative experiences that one could have...) around that karmic wheel WILL BE NATURALLY MORE EXPERIENCED AND WORLDLY and therefore more SELF-AWARE than someone who has not engaged in such experiences. When you write does the soul "preceed" self-awareness, it would have to assume some sort of starting point in the whole "cycle" of life. My opinion and that of which I have been taught, is that the "soul" is indeed a malleable entity that has self-awareness, but that the actual depth or level of awareness itself, is defined by "experience"; hence the Hindu interpretations about "karma", "cycle" and the endless journey of knowledge and learning. Best wishes, wisegirl33 Sent on the 1st March 2008 at 1:16am Aest one edit - 119am Aest [Edited 2/29/2008 7:18:30 AM]
2/29/2008 7:23:47 AM	Does a soul preceed self-awarness...?
burnkitty Fayetteville, AR age: 32	Excellent answer. Very in depth and thorough. I appreciate it Wise. I've rarely recieved any responses on this one in other sites. Thank you for taking the time out.
2/29/2008 7:28:31 AM	Does a soul preceed self-awarness...?
wisegirl33 Queensland Australia age: 43	My pleasure. I thought your question was interesting in the first place. Best wishes to you B. wisegirl33 Sent on the 1st March 2008 at 130am Aest
2/29/2008 1:18:51 PM	Does a soul preceed self-awarness...?
curiousone2 Springfield, IL age: 41 online now!	Ummm, the soul is the self. we are spiritual beings in physical form, energy cannot be created or destroyed only changed. Self awareness implies self, and that means that it is in physical form. the ego is concerned with knowledge, and it is the ego that accumulates or even has thought, the soul is not thought, the soul is spirit. when you are thinking, you are egoic, not spiritual. as a Human you have to exist with ego, it is ego that has kept us alive. Buddha shed his ego and sat under a tree for I forgot how long but it seems an impossible length of time. jesus went into the desert for 40 days and 40 nights, Muhammed went to a cave. The point I am trying to make is, you have to rid yourself of all thoughts and feelings of the world to be spiritually conscious. That is what they all did, and amazingly enough they came up with the same basic spiritual beliefs for lack of a better word. The tao cannot be identified because as soon as you do, it is not that, why< because it is NOT physical or definable, it just is. read Eckhart Tolles book A new earth, or Dr. wayne Dyer. they both point out the commonality of the principles of the faiths and they are all in harmony. It is people and egoic thought that is worldly that distorts it.
2/29/2008 1:34:48 PM	Does a soul preceed self-awarness...?
4evr6y Morgan, VT age: 65	mite this help? There is something real, something of human evolution, something additional to the Mystery Monitor, which survives death. This newly appearing entity is the soul, and it survives the death of both your physical body and your material mind. This entity is the conjoint child of the combined life and efforts of the human you in liaison with the divine you, the Adjuster. This child of human and divine parentage constitutes the surviving element of terrestrial origin; it is the morontia self, the immortal soul. TUB paper112 page1234
2/29/2008 1:56:49 PM	Does a soul preceed self-awarness...?
curiousone2 Springfield, IL age: 41 online now!	Umm no, it doesn't help, because I believe the soul is eternal, It exists before we are human, and after we are human, and humans exist for it, NOT the other way around. It doesn't exist to evolve Humans, humans exist to evolve it. I know people don't think the soul can evolve, but I disagree, If it couldn't evolve who is the lesson for? humans? for what, humand are clearly inferior to spiritual souls, that are energy and therefore eternal. If there is a cummulation of energy , intelligence, enlightenment being the goal as all religions claim, It is the evolution of the soul. Kabbalah makes sense in this matter to me, It is a bringing together of the fragments of the soul in harmony that is the evolution of the soul. are we evolving to be inclusive, or exclusive? Inclusive of course, the message of all is Love each other. as we evolve as humans we become more spiritual and most imprtantly more empathetically. evolution isn't just a matter of physical form , it is spiritual as well. it is Dharma, and Tao, and Brahman, and heaven, and enlightenment, which one of these concepts is physical??? none.
3/1/2008 3:19:50 AM	Does a soul preceed self-awarness...?
burnkitty Fayetteville, AR age: 32	Thank you, both Curious and 4-6. Curious, you again impress me with your opinions. I will definitly check up on those books you've mentioned. One thing though, the mention of the science law "energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed" is based only on what we know at present. All laws are based off of theories, and theories never become facts. A law is only as good as the theory which backs it, and may be subjected to change based on what new discoveries come to be. I'm not saying that this law, in the end, may not be true. It's just that science itself never deals in absolutes. So I'm curious how it would affect your present answer if energy could be created and/or destroyed, or would you still maintain your position on this even if that were the case? 4-6, I'm not sure if that helps because I still cannot gather if you believe a soul exists without self-awareness. Try again, my man. Appreciate you both.
3/1/2008 5:13:32 AM	Does a soul preceed self-awarness...?
stringsvrs Syracuse, NY age: 51	Happy Saturday Morning Sisters and Brothers All We entertain information in regards to The Lucifer Rebellion offered to us through our Christian Sisters and Brothers belief system. The rebels were cast from the realms of Heaven to the existence here on Earth/Urantia/World of The Crux. Thus begins the cycle of Bestowal(s)/Karmic Evolution(s). Upon the transference of our Heavenly existence to the Human existence; The veil of awareness is incorporated between the consciousnesses and wiping away for the most part our heavenly existence and what that entailed for us. This Transference is the first step of Reincarnation/ Karmic Cycling/ Bestowals. The first bestowals were without Teachers/ guides. As it was for punishment purposes. We were just spirit without vessels. At this time we were aware of our selves and our existence. After the creation of human vessels and God blew into them the Spirit of Life, the veils also were simultaneously incorporated...etc...So, the rebellious became imprisoned within the human vessel for the indoctrination of learning experiences. Many Teachers, Enlightened One's, Jesus'...etc...volunteered to be bestowaled with us for the sake of raising us to higher levels of awareness...etc. In my opinion, the existence of the souls does not rely on being aware of one's human self. In Peace and Love
3/1/2008 9:38:40 AM	Does a soul preceed self-awarness...?
curiousone2 Springfield, IL age: 41 online now!	strings, You describe JESUS as a Boddhi Satva, I am surprised to here this coming from you, although pleasantly,lol I disagree with you on one point, well rather I think it happened a little differently, I wouldn't say I disagree exactly, I think that we WERE like the animals, completely NOT egoic, when we were in the "Garden" I think it too was a state of being, If the Bible is referring to Gods kingdom as being a spiritual Kingdom, and jesus says it is, and I think this is the capstone he is referring to, in the gospels, we were like fish , we didn't sin, we existed, I think we did exist as spiritual beings, in the flesh, and I think the evolution began when our egoic self kicked in, I do not see God, changing up his plan, If we look at children and how they develop, you will find, that they are innocent until their ego is engaged, before that, they are not autonomous and they view themselves differently, they are sin free, it is when they start to want, and think about them as ME that they begin to have negative experiences and negative thoughts, that are other than outside events.( obviously children are born into abuse, but even when they are born into the worst circumstances, they do not become affected at birth, it takes awhile, children love everyone, before egoic self is evolved, I think around 18 months ? they are different. I don't believe that the original sin is birth, I think original sin is selfish, worldly thought, and actually a state of being, you have children, I think you can understand what I mean when I say ego comes with trouble, If gods spirit is trouble free, and we know that it is, it is its very nature, then the ego MUST be the sin. and besides that, It fits into all of the faiths, and that is a miracle in itself.
3/1/2008 9:41:52 AM	Does a soul preceed self-awarness...?
curiousone2 Springfield, IL age: 41 online now!	If energy Can be created or destroyed, It doesn't c hange a thing, It just would lead me to believe that we are creating and or c destroying it, which would make creating the RIGHT energy just as important, we copuld assume we are little generators, and then what sort of energy do we generate? nice clean energy? or energy that pollutes the world? either way, it works.
3/1/2008 10:51:10 AM	Does a soul preceed self-awarness...?
quantum777 Beaverton, OR age: 40	If God knew us before we were born then I would say yes, the sould does proceed self-awareness. If that is not the case then the soul is created at conception.
3/1/2008 3:21:52 PM	Does a soul preceed self-awarness...?
onlychrist Loveland, CO age: 31	Self Awareness is a result of becoming a soul. We don't have a soul we are a soul. Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. The Hebraic word "nephish" means creature. Greek and Roman philosophers wanted to find something that would make them higher than animals and they said it was the soul. Therefor Decartes a Roman philosoph taught Augustus a Christian teacher that we have a soul. The translators were taught this and translated "nephish" to mean soul instead of what the Hebrews believe and that is that it means creature. All the other instances where this word nephish is used, it is translated with the word creature and is used to refer to the whales and creatures of the earth as well. The real differentiation between man and beast is that God breathed His own life into Adam and he became a living soul or creature. So the giver of all life gave Adam his existence and because of sin required his life back to himself in death. The only way to bridge the chasm of death is be breathed upon by the Christ and receive the New Life. God is Life and Love. Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. This new birth is what causes a man to effortlessly walk from death unto life. It is freely given to all who will receive. One fault my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ have taught and that is that the Gospel is a self reformation to become holy and acceptable to God through good works - that you must reform yourself once you are born again to become righteous and holy. That is a lie. The new birth, replaces the old life that is earthly with a heavenly life that enters you into fellowship with God through a perfect Spirit that is Christ's Himself. This Spirit is holy and righteous. The life Adam passed down in the seed of man was earthy. He was kept from the tree of life and not allowed to procreate eternal beings. For God said that since they ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that they would proceed to be as Gods in the flesh and even corrupt because of sin. So the seed Adam passed down was earthy and corrupted because of sin - hence death. The incorruptible seed, the spiritual seed of Christ, is the eternal life that is sinnless. This is the life he wants to give you so you may know Him! The spirit of man cannot understand spiritual things of God. He attempts and frames vain imaginations of what the eternal relm is... and thus all the religions of the earth that all are different or at least stem from tradition to tradition all working out what man wants to believe instead of what he KNOWS. DO YOU KNOW THE TRUTH OF GOD WITH OUT DOUBT? These traditions of man blind man to the truth in Christ. But Christ is greater than tradition and can open the eyes of the blind in heart. He did for me. I was stubbornly blind to who he was... till he revealed himself to me. Read my post "ENTER THE LIGHT." Peace be to you!
3/1/2008 4:27:23 PM	Does a soul preceed self-awarness...?
curiousone2 Springfield, IL age: 41 online now!	Quantum, so, are you saying that the soul begins at conception?, I am torn on this myself, on one hand I think the coupling of the 2 energies, makes 1, and that is conception, right, but it is completely passive, the cells that are there are encoded with the DNA, and the same energy that is in tyhose cells is the same energy that is in the egg and the sperm right? except blended together, but there is NO free will yet, and we know that it was FREE WILL , that was the original sin, right? so doesn't it make sense that the free will actually comes into being when we can manipulate that energy, before that, we ARE like animals, we eat, sleep, react, interact, from the perspective of NOW, children really don't , we as Egoic humans think that infants are at the mercy of the world but in reality, the world is completely giving of them, There needs are met with no effort from them, if that isn't a dogs life I don't know what is. I think Dyer is right on this one, It is the egoic self that is the problem, IT is what caused the consciousness slip, that the capstone is talking about. IT is the foundation of the faiths, and it is such a subtle shift in consciousness that explains everything, and changes everything as well. I see why the ego would reject it, and that is what jesus was talking about when he says some will see it and others wont, and the capstone, and why some seeds grew weeds, and others grew God, because right can't be wrong, and wrong cant be good. It makes the Holy books fit together in a way that cannot be wrong.
3/1/2008 6:09:29 PM	Does a soul preceed self-awarness...?
stringsvrs Syracuse, NY age: 51	Happy Saturday Evening Sisters and Brothers All Sister Curious, In regards to my previous post I had mentioned The Luciferian Rebellion. It is within this rebellion in the Heavenly realm that the First Sin was indoctrinated. And the Sin was not one sin but The Seven Deadly Sins all at one interval. You will realize I am correct in this call once you meditate on the evolution of sin. It may appear to be just the one sin or that one of the sins dominates the emotion of the other; I highly doubt this is the case. I believe that they all walk together in unison. So, when you purpose ego to be the original sin, you are correct in the sense that this is the place that sin dwells within the spirit and not just within the human vessel. There is no reason for you to be torn either over the matter of the soul. The soul begins pre-conception as it is the Spirit from the heavenly realm; placed within the human vessel for it's next lesson. A recycling if you will. You say: I think Dyer is right on this one, It is the egoic self that is the problem, IT is what caused the consciousness slip, that the capstone is talking about. IT is the foundation of the faiths, and it is such a subtle shift in consciousness that explains everything, and changes everything as well. I see why the ego would reject it, and that is what jesus was talking about when he says some will see it and others wont, and the capstone, and why some seeds grew weeds, and others grew God, because right can't be wrong, and wrong cant be good. It makes the Holy books fit together in a way that cannot be wrong. Well, I never heard of Dyer, nor this capstone that you continue to refer to. However, I do not think I need to confuse myself either with others interpretations of my reality. What is the most important message for adherence is to love others as we wish to be loved; And to love God with all our heart, mind soul and strength. Trust me, Loving others as God loves us Is very difficult to do! In Peace and Love

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