Your going to hell , you cant be saved .

If I tell somebody to go to hell , that they're a worthless piece of shit . I know its wrong . I know its my own anger , and emotions , that pull the trigger .

When people actually believe that such comments are good , they have no connection to themselves , or their environment , something else is controlling them .

People who have control over themselves aren't going to hurt others , for their own satisfaction , unless anger possesses them .

If doctrine tells you to behave this way , its not the words of god , its the words of humans .

I'm sorry for the overdue response. I didn't see this response.

Jesus called it reaping what you sowed. Science calls it cause and effect, and Buddhism calls it Karma. But it is all one in the same. You have to keep in mind that when Jesus taught he was teaching people that had no understanding of energy. So he put it in a parable that they could relate too. When you sow the good seed, meaning good thoughts that come from a good conscience and heart, lead to positive actions, and produces a bountiful harvest. Seed sown into shallow ground are those negative thoughts that only serve your own ego, and they will only produce negative results, that won't take root.

Cause and Effect every action has a reaction. Example Cause-Action-someone calls you an idiot. Effect-reaction- can vary on your state of mind. If your choose to come from the egotic mind (your ego). Your lower self will respond with anger, insults, pride, defensive. When you respond from your higher self- you either ignore the remark (turn the other cheek). Or seek to remove the beam from your own eye, before attempting to remove from theirs. Calming discussing why they feel that way to gain an understanding. You'll seek to reconcile your differences.

Karma- The sum of each person's actions- Karma can be positive or negative it depends upon the actions. All things in this world are made of energy. "Let there be light" What is light but energy in vibration. Emotions are a form of energy in motion. So if a person actions are negative they create negative energy. If they are positive (good seed) they create positive energy (bountiful harvest). If they are negative they produce negative energy.

Only you can decide if it is in line with the teachings of Jesus. Only you can determine what kind of teacher Jesus is and how he taught, the methods that he used? Why your at it you might consider this: Do you believe that Jesus left us with one book that was written over two thousands years ago, and has not given us any new teachings?

Only you can decide if it is in line with the teachings of Jesus. Only you can determine what kind of teacher Jesus is and how he taught, the methods that he used? Why your at it you might consider this: Do you believe that Jesus left us with one book that was written over two thousands years ago, and has not given us any new teachings?

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God doesn't need me to prove God's existence. God is quite capable of making that known to those that have the ears to hear.

Sail, I mean no offense when I say this. But you criticize Christians for their views of God as an imaginary being in the sky.

While yet you seem to harbor that same view of God when you dispute God's existence. Its quite the contradiction, you and they keep trying to give form to God, when God is beyond any form, because God is the source of all form.

Hebrews 13:8 - Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

Even if His earthly life was measured by time.

His divinity certainly assured he would never be bounded by space nor time.

His living listeners would still then be the believers who hear and accept His Word as infinite truth for eternal salvation.

I'll keep my faith and trust in Jesus,

and those other ignorant followers who came in the name of the Lord.

The others can have their Gods and prophets, more power to them.

Gods grand plan for mis-qualified energy= Karma.

I try to avoid negativity especially anger. When I feel it
sneaking up on me I try to remember that word Karma.

Nothing overly complicated, only to perhaps the non-believer. The Father sent his only begotten son. And His Son was the Word made flesh.

Below are just a few scriptures that mention meditation. I didn't find not one that dis-allowed it. Must not be too new-age.

Joshua 1:8
This Book of the Law shall not depart from your mouth, but you shall meditate on it day and night, so that you may be careful to do according to all that is written in it. For then you will make your way prosperous, and then you will have good success.

Psalm 119:97 ESV
Oh how I love your law! It is my meditation all the day.

Paul I am a believer of heaven and also of God. But I don't believe that the bible gives
a true accounting of Jesus teachings

Reading your arguments are like eating leftover Thanksgiving turkey for 4 straight days

Where would you be and what would you believe if you didn't have religion to deny?

I think someone who's obsessed with psychosis as much as you are probably has a tick there somewhere lol Can't answer any of your questions because they're all classic , presumptuous strawman concoctions.

The strawman doesn't have a brain. Now thinking of your theology based on pure fiction, no evidence, no facts, no rationality, no sanity because it highly depends on imaginary beings, places and things only the superstitious would believe. That's brainless.
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Welp, I got news for you. Religion and God are not going away any time soon. Certainly not in your lifetime. So you can remain bitter and miserable about it, but that ain't gonna change the situation, or amount to even a hill of beans at the end of the day.

It's just days of your life, obsessing about something you've already accepted as illusionary disorder. Still, it's ironic that you're fixated on something you've already convinced yourself isn't real. Maybe you disbelieve your own disbelief

So you carrying on and go about life just casting darkness and shadows wherever you go.

I don't expect you'd get absolutes from our discourse, if you'd rebuff the discourse between Jesus and His apostles as just relevant to their times.

Still "Vague"? Follow your own advice, meditate over it lol

Karma is just another word to make ourselves feel better. It's simply wishful thinking we hope something other than ourselves can avenge poor little old me syndrome.

The bible chose four gospels , out of a more than a hundred . Only four could represent the message they wished to display . They banished all the rest , because they wanted people to be ignorant of any other possibilities .

This doesn't seem very godly , although it does seem , very human .

Partially correct, there were many Gospels beyond the 4 that were declared to be inspired, but the Bible didn't choose those particular Gospels on its own. The Church determined the final canon, because much of what comprised the New Testament were the direct teachings of Jesus to the Church and witnessed by the Church. Namely, Jesus' apostles who further appointed successors. It was for this reason that the successors of the Apostles would be better qualified than anyone to know what their teachers and predecessors taught them. What teachings were authentic, and what were false and heretical.

The banished Gospels were rejected because their origins could not be verified. The Muratorian Fragment was one of the earliest writings that helped to verify what Scriptures the earliest Christians used during their worship. Besides being able to verify origin, the factual conflicts of the Muratorian Fragment, was further able to itself exclude the many heresies of the Gospels that were ultimately rejected. particularly the Gnostic Gospels.

The Muratorian Fragment was written about 170 AD , just in time , for the new testament . Pure coincidence , or intentional planning ?

Welp, all you'd have to do is produce a verifiable historic document(other than the Bible itself) that would show what books and letters, particularly with regards to the New Testament that would show which Scriptures were used by the apostles and the earliest followers of Christ.
IF someone claimed to have found lost pages of the US Constitution, would you assume also that those documents were intentionally left out, or would you first investigate the source and authenticity of those documents?



So no coincidence whatsoever, it's about what can be verified by the historical record as we know it. I'll leave the non-believers and Gnostics to formulate their conspiracies.

You been watching too many Dan Brown movies and History Channel, or taking too big a hit on your bong pipe lol Gnosticism may have very well preceded Christianity, but the earliest Christians did a thorough job of neutralizing the spread of perverted Gnostic heresies.

There are lots of holes in the arguments for the Gnostic Gospels being part of the Christian Bible. Just examine the authors of the Gnostics. Were they Jews, who converted to Christianity? Or were they Greeks who brought Gnostic attitudes and beliefs from their culture? Were al the Gospel of Matthew written in Greek? Are you sure of that? Iranaeus wrote in 180AD that Matthew also issued a copy of a written Gospel in a Hebrew dialect. How many writings in Nag Hammadi given to the Coptics were not translated from Greek? Where are any of the historical accounts referring to the Gnostics having been translated from from any other language other than Greek? If fragments found and believed to be from the Gospel of Mark dates back to the year 50AD and is scientifically verified, this will create yet another hurdle for the Gnostics, since none have been dated to that time, only believed, where other Gnostics writings don't even precede 200 AD.

The Gnostic Gospels are compared to New Testament Gospels. Where is the comparable narrative?? Where is the synoptic cohesion between various Gnostic gospels, let alone synopsis with the Old Testament for that matter? Talk about self righteous lol

No ones afraid of anything. If the Gnostics want to challenge historical facts, more power to them. Tell the Gnostic Biblical scholars who are soooo sure of their facts to step up to the plate. Let them put their academic credibility and reputations on the line to prove Gnosticism was somehow an integral component of Christianity that was removed by some unscrupulous gang of bishops. Why go to fiction writers and movie makers to make your case? Is it because you can sell books and movies and still be factually and historically wrong, whereas Biblical scholars who reject the Gnostic Gospels arent afforded that same luxury of error?


BS, Jesus did not want people to find God all by themselves. Why then were miracles necessary, for what? Furthermore, there would have been no point for him to become incarnate if that were the case, and even when he stood in their midst they still didn't find nor see God in front of them. This synthesizing of historical figures with heresy is every bit as dangerous and false now, as it was back then. And Christians should be on their guard when they come across it.

Any words from God always comes from the words of humans because only humans write this shit. God is just a puppet, a projection of deranged minds avoiding personal responsibility. This makes them intellectually infantile and lacking integrity.

t is also in the christian bible:

John 14:12

12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I yam going to the Father.