| 9/13/2012 7:10:29 AM |
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jokethem
Kansas City, KS
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Embassy's being overrun?
For those who don't know Puff,
Douglas AC-47 Spooky
The Douglas AC-47 Spooky (also nicknamed "Puff, the Magic Dragon") was the first in a series of gunships developed by the United States Air Force during the Vietnam War. It was felt that more firepower than could be provided by light and medium ground-attack aircraft was needed in some situations when ground forces called for close air support.
Design and developmentThe AC-47 was a United States Air Force C-47, (the military version of the DC-3) that had been modified by mounting three 7.62mm General Electric miniguns to fire through two rear window openings and the side cargo door, all on the left (pilot's) side of the aircraft. Other armament configurations could also be found on similar C-47 based aircraft around the world. The guns were actuated by a control on the pilot's yoke, where he could control the guns either individually or together, though gunners were also among the crew to assist with gun failures and similar issues. Its primary function was close air support for ground troops. It could orbit the target for hours providing suppressing fire. Coverage given by a Spooky was over an elliptical area approximately 52 yd (47.5 m) in diameter, placing a round every 2.4 yd (2.2 m) during a 3-second burst. The aircraft also carried flares, which it could drop to illuminate the battleground.
AC-47When the AC-47 was introduced there were no preceding designs to gauge how successful the concept would be. The USAF found itself in a precarious situation when requests for additional gunships began to come in. It simply did not have enough miniguns to fit additional aircraft after the first two conversions. The next four aircraft were equipped with ten .30 caliber AN/M2 machine guns. It was quickly discovered, however, that these weapons, using ammunition stocks from WWII and Korea, jammed easily, produced large amounts of gases from firing, and, even in 10-gun groups, could only provide the density of fire of a single minigun. All four of these aircraft were retrofitted to the standard armament configuration when additional miniguns arrived.
The AC-47 initially used SUU-11/A gun pods that were installed on locally fabricated mounts for the gunship application. Emerson Electric eventually developed the MXU-470/A to replace the gun pods, which were also used on subsequent gunships.
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| 9/13/2012 10:00:10 AM |
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58dpilot
Springdale, AR
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I like the Predator idea. Not the UAV, the little wrist thing the guy with green blood wears. When attacked tap a few buttons and take out a few blocks around the embassy when it goes off. Where is an illegal alien when you need one?
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| 9/13/2012 11:09:40 AM |
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pelham12345
Bronx, NY
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Well, libya was clearly a planned attack and the new govt really didnt have anything to do with it.
Cairo could have been prevented by the police/military and the egyptian pres has been silent.
Now today Yemen embassy was attacked by protestors.
I think we should immidiately withdraw our personel from eygpt and yemen, cease all funding, impose a travel ban and expell all visitors in te US from those countries until they can prove they are our friends.
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| 9/13/2012 11:14:57 AM |
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58dpilot
Springdale, AR
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Good idea!
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| 9/14/2012 7:13:58 AM |
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jokethem
Kansas City, KS
63, joined Feb. 2012
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nuke em
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| 9/14/2012 6:38:22 PM |
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laylaloo
Topeka, KS
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Thats interesting
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| 9/14/2012 7:11:50 PM |
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58dpilot
Springdale, AR
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I don't want to nuke them, but dropping the A-bomb sure put the Japanese in line.
Meet force with overwhelmning force. I doubt there is much more those primitive asses will understand. Like immature children, sometimes the only thing that works is a spanking.
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| 9/15/2012 9:48:33 PM |
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58dpilot
Springdale, AR
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Last ditch effort in Vietnam was if you were overun, call artillery and air strikes in on our own position. I never was invovled in such a thing but know it was done several times. It worked pretty well. There were cases of survivors. A couple of times a few of our guys were all that was left.
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| 9/16/2012 3:11:22 AM |
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pelham12345
Bronx, NY
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Andy, they act this way because they are uneducated and illiterate. Afganistan has a damn near 96-97% illiteracy rate.
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| 9/16/2012 11:46:36 PM |
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jrbogie1949
Ventura, CA
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Last ditch effort in Vietnam was if you were overun, call artillery and air strikes in on our own position. I never was invovled in such a thing but know it was done several times. It worked pretty well. There were cases of survivors. A couple of times a few of our guys were all that was left.
man, and i thought i was a youngun in vietnam. you must have been still in puberty.
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| 9/17/2012 4:49:38 AM |
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pelham12345
Bronx, NY
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Andy, yes there are plenty if educated islamic terrorists but they arnt footsoldiers and blowing themselves up.. They use the uneducated for that.
And don't get me started about the lack of Muslims speaking out against the terrorists.. It's simple really, as you point out, all non-muslims are infidels and technically speaking, according to The koran they are justified.
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| 9/18/2012 6:06:38 PM |
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58dpilot
Springdale, AR
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man, and i thought i was a youngun in vietnam. you must have been still in puberty.
We been over this before goofy one. You're a year and a half older than me according to your profile. Do the math. Even an 11B2 infantry squad leader in the 196th Light Infantry Brigade that was drafted out of college can add that up. A 100BH warrant officer 58D scout helicopter pilot that served in the 1st Infantry Division in Desert Storm can too.
What was your MOS? Did you have one that allowed you to earn a CIB or Air Medal for serving in combat? I'll post a photo of my DD 214 on my profile. Will you?
Been reading the opinions in the Arkansas Demoncrap Gazette? Should REMFs and people that served but were never in country be allowed to get a Vietnam Veteran or Persian Gulf license place for $3.00 or should it be for actual combat veterans only? Wondering if you have an opinion on that?
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| 9/18/2012 6:12:04 PM |
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58dpilot
Springdale, AR
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A copy of my DD214 with awards and decorations is up. Personal information is covered for obvious reasons. I didn't post the second page that includes a second Meritorious Service Medal earned during Desert Storm. I retired on April 1, 1991 before the clerk had the certificate so DA mailed it to me. What I posted is enough anyway.
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| 9/19/2012 12:29:43 PM |
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jrbogie1949
Ventura, CA
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We been over this before goofy one. You're a year and a half older than me according to your profile. Do the math. Even an 11B2 infantry squad leader in the 196th Light Infantry Brigade that was drafted out of college can add that up. A 100BH warrant officer 58D scout helicopter pilot that served in the 1st Infantry Division in Desert Storm can too.
What was your MOS? Did you have one that allowed you to earn a CIB or Air Medal for serving in combat? I'll post a photo of my DD 214 on my profile. Will you?
Been reading the opinions in the Arkansas Demoncrap Gazette? Should REMFs and people that served but were never in country be allowed to get a Vietnam Veteran or Persian Gulf license place for $3.00 or should it be for actual combat veterans only? Wondering if you have an opinion on that?
ok, let's do the math. 63 [me] minus [57] ]you] equals [using my math] not a year and a half older but a six year difference in our ages. i inducted in oct 67 didn't graduate flight school, and then amoc, as i was 2nd in my class and had a choice of schools, and aeromed tng until june '69. i arrived 'in country' late aug 69. 100bd was my mos. no cib. 23 air medals. i'll not get into a dd214 pissing contest but being six years my junior i cannot see how anybody could have possibly served in vietnam even with the shortest ait after basic before '73 assuming he graduated hs and then to have attended woc training the earliest arrival i can imagine arriving in vietnam would be 1974.
now i did the math and welcome your pointing out any errors.
i've no opinion on license plates but vietnam era vererans are vietname era veterans.
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| 9/19/2012 2:26:25 PM |
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58dpilot
Springdale, AR
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ok, let's do the math. 63 [me] minus [57] ]you] equals [using my math] not a year and a half older but a six year difference in our ages. i inducted in oct 67 didn't graduate flight school, and then amoc, as i was 2nd in my class and had a choice of schools, and aeromed tng until june '69. i arrived 'in country' late aug 69. 100bd was my mos. no cib. 23 air medals. i'll not get into a dd214 pissing contest but being six years my junior i cannot see how anybody could have possibly served in vietnam even with the shortest ait after basic before '73 assuming he graduated hs and then to have attended woc training the earliest arrival i can imagine arriving in vietnam would be 1974.
now i did the math and welcome your pointing out any errors.
i've no opinion on license plates but vietnam era vererans are vietname era veterans.
Well, no wonder. It appears you didn't read the DD-214 I posted. I don't see where you viewed my profile. Let me make it easy for you and explain.
First off I am 61 years old. Profiles have what you put in them and I don't give out too much accurate personal information for obvious reasons. I piss a lot of people off on here and don't want to have to shoot anybody that might come up here looking for me.
I was drafted in January 1971 after I lost my 2-s student deferment. Took basic at Ft. Know, KY, AIT at Ft. Polk, LA and advanced training for Vietnam at Ft. Benning, GA after that. After having to pay $20 or go to jail for "entering a liquore store" in Indiana I left for Ft. Lewis, WA enroute to Vietnam just after Xmas.
I was assigned to the 196th Light Infantry Brigade at Da Nang as an Infantry Squad leader in early January. We did interdiction operations out to near the Laotian border most movement being by helicopter. We did a lot of stuff and had a few momments. The 196th stood down and left a residual force in the 3/21 Infantry Battalion that was about 2/3rds the size. Eveybody that had 6 months in country got to go home. The rest stayed.
In July 1972 we were doing 122 rocket interdiction about 20 miles west of Da Nang when we were hit by an errant US 105 mm artillery shell. We lost 4 and had 7 wounded. Two lost were Duff and Fernandez, two very close friends. The artillery round missed it's intended target by 1800 meters and instead of the usual white phosphorus 200 feet up as a marking round, it was HE on the deck. It landed in the middle of those four guys playing a game of spades. A video was posted by one of the Artillery guys in their memory at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR5XFtZO_OU
The video is a news report from August 1972 detailing in part the last combat troops in Vietnam. The platoon depicted is in my Company. My paltton left earlier at about 7:30 in the morning. They came later. Helicopters were scarce so it took longer than usual to get the whole company back.
After Vietnam I was an instructor at Fort Dix, followed by a Security Sergeant in Germany on nuke sites. I returned to Ft. Dix to play with trainees again in 1977. When I got bored with it I put in for flight school and started it in June 1979. I graduated with 13 other original fellows out of the 36 that started and graduated and accepted an appointment as a warrant officer in April 1980 two weeks after making SFC in the Infantry.
From there I flew the East-West German border on the 11ACR (Black Horse) at Fulda. I returned to the states for a staff job at Ft. Eustis in the Aviation logistics school where I conceived and led the effort to re-organize CMF 67 into something that made training fit the actual mission of soldiers. I was awarded an impact MSM for that effort.
I left there to do a tour in Korea, the coldest place people live on earth in winter, in 1987 and 1988. There I flew OH-58C and D in support of DMZ opertions for the 2nd ID. I leraned that Korea smells funny, epsecially in winter and that many of the same wh*re houses and bars outside Camp Casey are duplicated outside many infantry based US bases here. The World Club, Rendevouz, Rainbow, US Grant and many other of these places live both here and there and the hostess greeting are still the same, "GI, you buy me drink?" Amazing!
From Korea I returned to the 1st Infantry Division at Ft. Riley, KS to fly 58D's and served my final overseas tour in the Persian Gulf during Desert Storm. Originally scheduled to retire at the end of January, as the senior scout pilot in the division and one of only two with actual combat experience I requested an extension to accompany the division to war. We designated targets using our high energy laser for Copperhead laser guided artillery, Apache helicopters that had poor hit rates in flat desert with Hellfires, and F-15's shooting Paved Penny and Maverick missles. I left as soon as the ground war was over they sent me back to retire in April 1991.
If you would like to personally review my records, certificates and honors, and see my photo albums and other artifacts and memorialbia of two wars you are welcome to come up and have a beer at Bikes, Blues, and BBQ. I'll be happy to make your aquaintance and share them with you.
http://www.bikesbluesandbbq.org/
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| 9/19/2012 10:32:21 PM |
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jrbogie1949
Ventura, CA
68, joined Mar. 2009
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i've no interest in your records whatsoever. that you are less than straightforward about your age most certainly has nothing to do with my prowess in math. the only numbers available are 63 and 57 and you damn well know it so how you might expect me to come up with the year and a half difference in age that you came up with is simply absurd. i simply enjoy f**king with people who induldge in caustic personal innuendo such as you questioning my math abilities in a very derogetory manner with your, 'Even an 11B2 infantry squad leader in the 196th Light Infantry Brigade that was drafted out of college can add that up.' and of course there's the name calling. 'goofy one' my ass. and this to a person you know nothing about other than what you can find on a f**king dating site. of course what little you do know about me is not admittedly false as you've provided.
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| 9/20/2012 6:24:15 AM |
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58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012
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Whatever Calipornia fellow. I still think you're silly.
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| 9/20/2012 9:31:20 AM |
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jrbogie1949
Ventura, CA
68, joined Mar. 2009
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taken as a compliment.
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| 9/20/2012 4:17:37 PM |
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58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012
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My pleasure Mr. Cali"porn"ia dreamer!
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| 9/20/2012 8:31:50 PM |
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pelham12345
Bronx, NY
35, joined Dec. 2011
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Hey you 2, play nice. 
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| 9/21/2012 7:27:36 AM |
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jokethem
Kansas City, KS
63, joined Feb. 2012
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Hey you 2, play nice.
I have to ask. Is salsa from NY city really as bad as Picante says on tv?
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| 9/21/2012 12:57:47 PM |
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pelham12345
Bronx, NY
35, joined Dec. 2011
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The food or the music?
Food no, music yes
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| 10/24/2012 1:20:04 AM |
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phreewolf420
Richmond, VA
39, joined Oct. 2012
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Any body who doesn't about care about demicrat or republican and just wants tax revenue and jobs at the same time...check out delegate "david englin" we already have a natural resource that not many politicions discuss. Weed ! Grow it tax it. Bag it. Tag it. Sell it to the butcher in the store....no one has ever o.d. on it like alcohol...hipocrits.
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| 10/24/2012 9:55:39 AM |
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58dpilot
Springdale, AR
62, joined May. 2012
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Don't know about Salsa but the pizza and subs in NYC can't be beat!
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| 10/25/2012 3:09:32 PM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010
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Puff the Magic Dragon ........ lived by the sea ........ and
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| 10/26/2012 1:45:45 PM |
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58dpilot
Springdale, AR
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It has been reported that a nearby CIA operation was denied responding to the attack on the emabassy in Libya several times. A few disregarded orders and did so anyway. They were denied support once on site, and they died as patriots, as true Americans defending us all.
If this is true we need to have a judicial process, find the facts, and take appropriate action. If our politicians in power denied the requests of "men on the ground that were in the know" we need to consider appropriate action in response. Politics can breed traitors, no doubt about that.
If the allegations are true we should go through a formal process, convict, and have some public "hangings". I mean they did it to Saddam, why not "Hussain"? Go figure that shit out folks.
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| 10/26/2012 2:06:29 PM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
68, joined May. 2010
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Puff that Dragon!
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| 10/28/2012 11:00:44 AM |
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cupocheer
Assumption, IL
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