Obvious facts extrapolated from election dynamics and results...

11/25/2012 1:11:38 PM	Obvious facts extrapolated from election dynamics and results...
gdragn Lake Worth, FL 54, joined Jul. 2011	1)non-caucasion man with islamic sounding name RE-ELECTED despite having been outspent and out campaigned by opponents 2)Tea party rhetoric severely damaged many gop proponents.. 3)plans to repeal progressive advancements in social freedoms legislation unacceptable to voters (see #2) 4)Plans to legislate morality according to narrow conservative views unacceptable to voters (see #2 and #3) 5)Policy of returning to trickle down voodoo economics unacceptable to voters 6)rediculous attempts by gops to avoid blame for bush admins treasonous policies at home and abroad once again backfired 7)gop congress refusal to help or guide BO admin strictly partisan motivated showing callous disregard for state of US economy thoroughly exposed Lots more, but you get the point.... If the GOP is really serious about ever winning again, they must re-asses their policies of elitism, racism, corporate over-empowerment, and attempts to legislate this country backward into the social and moral equivalent of the horse and buggy eras... No matter their claims they demonstrate total disdain for all those beneath their economic strata and would collapse the middle class simply for the satisfaction of demonstrating the ability to do so... Many people saw the hipocracy of demonizing those most interested in regaining a strong middle class in favor of those representing the ones most profiting by the ACTUAL redistribution of wealth.(During the gwb admin top 4% wealthy go from under 5 trillion to over 35 trillion with money leached directly from middle class by devaluation of dollar,inflation of food and gas prices directly due to commodities manipulation, and huge overspending by gov in military and security privatization) So, claims of a return to pre bush tax rate for the wealthy as unjust or destructive are paramount to the cries of "no fair" made by the spoiled kid as you confiscate the privleges he abused to everyone else's detriment... One would think REAL conservatives would try to conserve resources, freedom, integrity.... Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
11/25/2012 4:41:49 PM	Obvious facts extrapolated from election dynamics and results...
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	Quote from gdragn: 1)non-caucasion man with islamic sounding name RE-ELECTED despite having been outspent and out campaigned by opponents 2)Tea party rhetoric severely damaged many gop proponents.. 3)plans to repeal progressive advancements in social freedoms legislation unacceptable to voters (see #2) 4)Plans to legislate morality according to narrow conservative views unacceptable to voters (see #2 and #3) 5)Policy of returning to trickle down voodoo economics unacceptable to voters 6)rediculous attempts by gops to avoid blame for bush admins treasonous policies at home and abroad once again backfired 7)gop congress refusal to help or guide BO admin strictly partisan motivated showing callous disregard for state of US economy thoroughly exposed Lots more, but you get the point.... If the GOP is really serious about ever winning again, they must re-asses their policies of elitism, racism, corporate over-empowerment, and attempts to legislate this country backward into the social and moral equivalent of the horse and buggy eras... No matter their claims they demonstrate total disdain for all those beneath their economic strata and would collapse the middle class simply for the satisfaction of demonstrating the ability to do so... Many people saw the hipocracy of demonizing those most interested in regaining a strong middle class in favor of those representing the ones most profiting by the ACTUAL redistribution of wealth.(During the gwb admin top 4% wealthy go from under 5 trillion to over 35 trillion with money leached directly from middle class by devaluation of dollar,inflation of food and gas prices directly due to commodities manipulation, and huge overspending by gov in military and security privatization) So, claims of a return to pre bush tax rate for the wealthy as unjust or destructive are paramount to the cries of "no fair" made by the spoiled kid as you confiscate the privleges he abused to everyone else's detriment... One would think REAL conservatives would try to conserve resources, freedom, integrity.... I don't GET the gist of a one-man dog & pony show, at all. Where is your supporting documentation of facts that you have, independently, compiled your spiel from? What?!? There is no such documentation? Well, spit-polish my boots, lackey ~~~ I reckon ya jist blewed ye wad fer nuttin'!!!
11/26/2012 6:07:21 PM	Obvious facts extrapolated from election dynamics and results...
gdragn Lake Worth, FL 54, joined Jul. 2011	All the info is out there,unless your mind(?) is closed.. but the election results SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES Blow my wad?? Wishful thinking on your part, just getting started!! CK THIS LINK http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/15-things-gop-doesnt-want-you-know-about-taxes-debt "But the GOP suggesting that tax cuts equals jobs while, conversely, tax increases on the so-called “job creators” mean less work for the rest of us, simply does not survive any reasonable scrutiny. Putting more money in the pockets of the wealthy may create a few jobs for the foreign bankers who get to count the extra money funneled into into the off-shore accounts of the rich, but there is nothing in the way of actual data to support the notion that putting more money into the pockets of the wealthiest Americans will inure to the benefit of those looking for work." RICK UNGAR, FORBES MAGAZINE IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS THE RICH OWN AND CONTROL THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, HERES 9 THINGS THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW IT MAY TAKE A FEW POSTS 1. Poor Americans do pay taxes. Gretchen Carlson, the Fox News host, said last year “47 percent of Americans don’t pay any taxes.” John McCain and Sarah Palin both said similar things during the 2008 campaign about the bottom half of Americans. Ari Fleischer, the former Bush White House spokesman, once said “50 percent of the country gets benefits without paying for them.” Actually, they pay lots of taxes—just not lots of federal income taxes. Data from the Tax Foundation show that in 2008, the average income for the bottom half of taxpayers was $15,300. This year the first $9,350 of income is exempt from taxes for singles and $18,700 for married couples, just slightly more than in 2008. That means millions of the poor do not make enough to owe income taxes. But they still pay plenty of other taxes, including federal payroll taxes. Between gas taxes, sales taxes, utility taxes and other taxes, no one lives tax-free in America. When it comes to state and local taxes, the poor bear a heavier burden than the rich in every state except Vermont, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy calculated from official data. In Alabama, for example, the burden on the poor is more than twice that of the top 1 percent. The one-fifth of Alabama families making less than $13,000 pay almost 11 percent of their income in state and local taxes, compared with less than 4 percent for those who make $229,000 or more. 2. The wealthiest Americans don’t carry the burden. This is one of those oft-used canards. Sen. Rand Paul, the tea party favorite from Kentucky, told David Letterman recently that “the wealthy do pay most of the taxes in this country.” The Internet is awash with statements that the top 1 percent pays, depending on the year, 38 percent or more than 40 percent of taxes. It’s true that the top 1 percent of wage earners paid 38 percent of the federal income taxes in 2008 (the most recent year for which data is available). But people forget that the income tax is less than half of federal taxes and only one-fifth of taxes at all levels of government. Social Security, Medicare and unemployment insurance taxes (known as payroll taxes) are paid mostly by the bottom 90 percent of wage earners. That’s because, once you reach $106,800 of income, you pay no more for Social Security, though the much smaller Medicare tax applies to all wages. Warren Buffett pays the exact same amount of Social Security taxes as someone who earns $106,800. 3. In fact, the wealthy are paying less taxes. The Internal Revenue Service issues an annual report on the 400 highest income-tax payers. In 1961, there were 398 taxpayers who made $1 million or more, so I compared their income tax burdens from that year to 2007. Despite skyrocketing incomes, the federal tax burden on the richest 400 has been slashed, thanks to a variety of loopholes, allowable deductions and other tools. The actual share of their income paid in taxes, according to the IRS, is 16.6 percent. Adding payroll taxes barely nudges that number. Compare that to the vast majority of Americans, whose share of their income going to federal taxes increased from 13.1 percent in 1961 to 22.5 percent in 2007. (By the way, during seven of the eight George W. Bush years, the IRS report on the top 400 taxpayers was labeled a state secret, a policy that the Obama administration overturned almost instantly after his inauguration.)
11/26/2012 6:11:58 PM	Obvious facts extrapolated from election dynamics and results...
gdragn Lake Worth, FL 54, joined Jul. 2011	CONTINUING... 4. Many of the very richest pay no current income taxes at all. John Paulson, the most successful hedge-fund manager of all, bet against the mortgage market one year and then bet with Glenn Beck in the gold market the next. Paulson made himself $9 billion in fees in just two years. His current tax bill on that $9 billion? Zero.Congress lets hedge-fund managers earn all they can now and pay their taxes years from now. In 2007, Congress debated whether hedge-fund managers should pay the top tax rate that applies to wages, bonuses and other compensation for their labors, which is 35 percent. That tax rate starts at about $300,000 of taxable income—not even pocket change to Paulson, but almost 12 years of gross pay to the median-wage worker. The Republicans and a key Democrat, Sen. Charles Schumer of New York, fought to keep the tax rate on hedge-fund managers at 15 percent, arguing that the profits from hedge funds should be considered capital gains, not ordinary income, which got a lot of attention in the news. What the news media missed is that hedge-fund managers don’t even pay 15 percent. At least, not currently. So long as they leave their money, known as “carried interest,” in the hedge fund, their taxes are deferred. They only pay taxes when they cash out, which could be decades from now for younger managers. How do these hedge-fund managers get money in the meantime? By borrowing against the carried interest, often at absurdly low rates—currently about 2 percent. Lots of other people live tax-free, too. I have Donald Trump’s tax records for four years early in his career. He paid no taxes for two of those years. Big real-estate investors enjoy tax-free living under a 1993 law President Clinton signed. It lets “professional” real-estate investors use paper losses like depreciation on their buildings against any cash income, even if they end up with negative incomes like Trump. Frank and Jamie McCourt, who own the Los Angeles Dodgers, have not paid any income taxes since at least 2004, their divorce case revealed. Yet they spent $45 million one year alone. How? They just borrowed against Dodger ticket revenue and other assets. To the IRS, they look like paupers. In Wisconsin, Terrence Wall, who unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for U.S. Senate in 2010, paid no income taxes on as much as $14 million of recent income, his disclosure forms showed. Asked about his living tax-free while working people pay taxes, he had a simple response: Everyone should pay less. 5. And (surprise!) since Reagan, only the wealthy have gained significant income. The Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute and similar conservative marketing organizations tell us relentlessly that lower tax rates will make us all better off. “When tax rates are reduced, the economy’s growth rate improves and living standards increase,” according to Daniel J. Mitchell, an economist at Heritage until he joined Cato. He says that supply-side economics is “the simple notion that lower tax rates will boost work, saving, investment and entrepreneurship.” When Reagan was elected president, the top marginal tax rate (the tax rate paid on the last dollar of income earned) was 70 percent. He cut it to 50 percent and then 28 percent starting in 1987. It was raised by George H.W. Bush and Clinton, and then cut by George W. Bush. The top rate is now 35 percent. Since 1980, when Reagan won the presidency promising prosperity through tax cuts, the average income of the vast majority—the bottom 90 percent of Americans—has increased a meager $303, or 1 percent. Put another way, for each dollar people in the vast majority made in 1980, in 2008 their income was up to $1.01. Those at the top did better. The top 1 percent’s average income more than doubled to $1.1 million, according to an analysis of tax data by economists Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez. The really rich, the top one-tenth of 1 percent, each enjoyed almost $4 in 2008 for each dollar in 1980. The top 300,000 Americans now enjoy almost as much income as the bottom 150 million, the data show. 6. When it comes to corporations, the story is much the same—less taxes. Corporate profits in 2008, the latest year for which data are available, were $1,830 billion, up almost 12 percent from $1,638.7 billion in 2000. Yet, even though corporate tax rates have not been cut, corporate income-tax revenues fell to $230 billion from $249 billion—an 8 percent decline, thanks to a number of loopholes. The official 2010 profit numbers are not added up and released by the government, but the amount paid in corporate taxes is: In 2010 they fell further, to $191 billion—a decline of more than 23 percent compared with 2000
11/27/2012 11:13:39 AM	Obvious facts extrapolated from election dynamics and results...
58dpilot Springdale, AR 62, joined May. 2012	Nice work. One small problem. You have to account for all premises. Because any idiot can vote regardless of their knowledge of issues, cause, effect, and what a constitutional republic is, and taking into account voter fraud what the electorate "thnks" is irrevelant. Why? Because half of the electorate are not experts on any subject other than voting themselves benefits from the government. They are irrational. A famed and internationally recognized phsychologist has defined liberal thinking as a mental disease. Under those conditions no "facts" are present, merely skewed wishes and hopeful thinking. Thse are far from facts or reality on any level. Sometimes it's hard to see the forest because of all the trees and weeds getting in the way. Espcially the weeds!
11/30/2012 9:45:52 AM	Obvious facts extrapolated from election dynamics and results...
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	(this post has been flagged as inappropriate, sorry.)
12/1/2012 9:33:55 PM	Obvious facts extrapolated from election dynamics and results...
gdragn Lake Worth, FL 54, joined Jul. 2011	Yes, cut, paste, and edit, and still there's an overwhelming abundance of information standing on it's own merits, but those whose agenda aligns with the corporate and multinational rich will claim such ridiculousness as "if you don't agree, you must be mentally ill or even a liberal". But the white collar pirates that run the gop have been exposed and defeated despite their having hugely overspent while simultaneously tried to enact various modern day versions of jim crow... but defeated also by white christian working middle class voters whose families lives have been devastated by the same party whose sole accomplishment the last 4 years was to block every initiative designed to rebuild the middle class sector of the economic strata.. And this after the complete debacle of the previous 8 years? No brainer, even for the guy admitted in this forum that he had 250 illegals working for him? Tsk tsk... And now, the rest... 7. Some corporate tax breaks destroy jobs. Despite all the noise that America has the world’s second-highest corporate tax rate, the actual taxes paid by corporations are falling because of the growing number of loopholes and companies shifting profits to tax havens like the Cayman Islands. And right now America’s corporations are sitting on close to $2 trillion in cash that is not being used to build factories, create jobs or anything else, but acts as an insurance policy for managers unwilling to take the risk of actually building the businesses they are paid so well to run. That cash hoard, by the way, works out to nearly $13,000 per taxpaying household. A corporate tax rate that is too low actually destroys jobs. That’s because a higher tax rate encourages businesses (who don’t want to pay taxes) to keep the profits in the business and reinvest, rather than pull them out as profits and have to pay high taxes. The 2004 American Jobs Creation Act, which passed with bipartisan support, allowed more than 800 companies to bring profits that were untaxed but overseas back to the United States. Instead of paying the usual 35 percent tax, the companies paid just 5.25 percent. The companies said bringing the money home—“repatriating” it, they called it—would mean lots of jobs. Sen. John Ensign, the Nevada Republican, put the figure at 660,000 new jobs. Pfizer, the drug company, was the biggest beneficiary. It brought home $37 billion, saving $11 billion in taxes. Almost immediately it started firing people. Since the law took effect, Pfizer has let 40,000 workers go. In all, it appears that at least 100,000 jobs were destroyed. Now Congressional Republicans and some Democrats are gearing up again to pass another tax holiday, promoting a new Jobs Creation Act. It would affect 10 times as much money as the 2004 law. 8. Republicans like taxes too. President Reagan signed into law 11 tax increases, targeted at people down the income ladder. His administration and the Washington press corps called the increases “revenue enhancers.” Reagan raised Social Security taxes so high that by the end of 2008, the government had collected more than $2 trillion in surplus tax. George W. Bush signed a tax increase, too, in 2006, despite his written ironclad pledge never to raise taxes on anyone. It raised taxes on teenagers by requiring kids up to age 17, who earned money, to pay taxes at their parents’ tax rate, which would almost always be higher than the rate they would otherwise pay. It was a story that ran buried inside The New York Times one Sunday, but nowhere else. In fact, thanks to Republicans, one in three Americans will pay higher taxes this year than they did last year. First, some history. In 2009, President Obama pushed his own tax cut—for the working class. He persuaded Congress to enact the Making Work Pay Tax Credit. Over the two years 2009 and 2010, it saved single workers up to $800 and married heterosexual couples up to $1,600, even if only one spouse worked. The top 5 percent or so of taxpayers were denied this tax break. The Obama administration called it “the biggest middle-class tax cut” ever. Yet last December the Republicans, poised to regain control of the House of Representatives, killed Obama’s Making Work Pay Credit while extending the Bush tax cuts for two more years—a policy Obama agreed to. By doing so, Congressional Republican leaders increased taxes on a third of Americans, virtually all of them the working poor, this year. As a result, of the 155 million households in the tax system, 51 million will pay an average of $129 more this year. That is $6.6 billion in higher taxes for the working poor, the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center estimated. In addition, the Republicans changed the rate of workers’ FICA contributions, which finances half of Social Security. The result: If you are single and make less than $20,000, or married and less than $40,000, you lose under this plan. But the top 5 percent, people who make more than $106,800, will save $2,136 ($4,272 for two-career couples).
12/1/2012 9:36:42 PM	Obvious facts extrapolated from election dynamics and results...
gdragn Lake Worth, FL 54, joined Jul. 2011	And lastly.... 9. Other countries do it better. We measure our economic progress, and our elected leaders debate tax policy, in terms of a crude measure known as gross domestic product. The way the official statistics are put together, each dollar spent buying solar energy equipment counts the same as each dollar spent investigating murders. We do not give any measure of value to time spent rearing children or growing our own vegetables or to time off for leisure and community service. And we do not measure the economic damage done by shocks, such as losing a job, which means not only loss of income and depletion of savings, but loss of health insurance, which a Harvard Medical School study found results in 45,000 unnecessary deaths each year. Compare this to Germany, one of many countries with a smarter tax system and smarter spending policies. Germans work less, make more per hour and get much better parental leave than Americans, many of whom get no fringe benefits such as health care, pensions or even a retirement savings plan. By many measures the vast majority live better in Germany than in America. To achieve this, unmarried Germans on average pay 52 percent of their income in taxes. Americans average 30 percent, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. At first blush the German tax burden seems horrendous. But in Germany (as well as in Britain, France, Scandinavia, Canada, Australia and Japan), tax-supported institutions provide many of the things Americans pay for with after-tax dollars. Buying wholesale rather than retail saves money. A proper comparison would take the 30 percent average tax on American workers and add their out-of-pocket spending on health care, college tuition and fees for services, and compare that with taxes that the average German pays. Add it all up and the combination of tax and personal spending is roughly equal in both countries, but with a large risk of catastrophic loss in America, and a tiny risk in Germany. Americans take on $85 billion of debt each year for higher education, while college is financed by taxes in Germany and tuition is cheap to free in other modern countries. While soaring medical costs are a key reason that since 1980 bankruptcy in America has increased 15 times faster than population growth, no one in Germany or the rest of the modern world goes broke because of accident or illness. And child poverty in America is the highest among modern countries—almost twice the rate in Germany, which is close to the average of modern countries. On the corporate tax side, the Germans encourage reinvestment at home and the outsourcing of low-value work, like auto assembly, and German rules tightly control accounting so that profits earned at home cannot be made to appear as profits earned in tax havens. Adopting the German system is not the answer for America. But crafting a tax system that benefits the vast majority, reduces risks, provides universal health care and focuses on diplomacy rather than militarism abroad (and at home) would be a lot smarter than what we have now. We started down this road with Reagan’s election in 1980 and upped the ante in this century with George W. Bush.
12/2/2012 12:35:44 PM	Obvious facts extrapolated from election dynamics and results...
58dpilot Springdale, AR 62, joined May. 2012	I lived in Germany for 7 years. I have family living in Germany now. I have a lot of friends there. I speak, read, and write German, once nearly as fluently as a native (though I have become a little "rusty" over the years). The German's do a lot of things very well. Their attention to detail and perfection is rarely duplicated, especially on a national level. The food is awesome, or most of it is and the beer is the best in the world. They are generally a very hard working and responsible people. I enjoyed living there a lot, but for an American there is still no place like home. Their system of education is if not the best in the world, it is certainly among them. When I lived there college was free if you can make the grade. You can go for as advanced a degree as you want as long as you can feed yourself and make grades. There are no quotas for favored groups so whether "your people" feel oppressed or not, you don't go if you don't qualify. Regardless of who you are you only advance if you make the grade. My brother in law completed a PhD in electrical engineering and didn't owe anyone a single Phennig when he graduated. Smart, very hard working kid. He's about 45 now and makes a lot of money in relative terms, more than twice what his father ever earned. But he worked his a** off for it. There were no "sports scholarships", either. It's all academic. The few private Univeristies are for rich kids that can't make the grade. Often those kids go to Univeristy in other countries because their parents can pay. The exact opposite of here. As far a health care goes they have the same problems as any country with universal care. A 14 year old girl can go get birth control for less than $2 a month of her own accord and the prescription is done by the pharmacist (no doctor required) without parental permission. Germany has among the lowest teenaged pregnancy rates in the world in spite of being pretty liberal in terms of teen sex. However, various serious health problems are more problematic. Many Germans that can afford it go abroad for treatment rather than wait in line. Most can't afford to, though. My then-wifes grandmother had diabetes and waited for nearly a year for surgery to fix circulatory problems in her legs. When she finally got treatment it was for amputation. If she had the personal funds to afford the treatment she needed she would probably have walked until her death about year and a half later. There are a lot of cool things in many different countries and no country has completely solved all problems. It is my firm belief that no government or system of government can. As for the USA our system has become so fundamentally complicated by trying to do everything for everyone and so expensive on every level that it may be time to erase the entire drive and start over. We had a great run for over 200 years but putting more bandaids on multiple wounds can't heal the patient that is the USA. Maybe it is time to let the patient die and birth a new one? When I look at the entire world economy and politics surrounding it I can't see a cure. The entire planet is economically sitting on the edge of insolvency, Germany included. A world-wide financial collapse will certainly reset the clock....and probably clean up the gene pool, too.
12/21/2012 5:06:07 PM	Obvious facts extrapolated from election dynamics and results...
cupocheer Assumption, IL 68, joined May. 2010	The most obvious fact, of course ~~~ Obama won!

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