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1/3/2014 2:57:22 PM Defence - Greek meaning?  

33smiles
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I ran across a word in Psalms that I had not seen before
I have always seen refuge and other words like that in psalms, but it
was the first time of me running into the word defence.
It has me interested in how it was used.

So, I looked it up in Strongs and I tried to find the Greek word for it to get the real true meaning. I also looked at other places it has been used in scripture.
But, nothing has lended to finding its real actual meaning.
I have found phrases and etc.

Does anyone have a Greek concordance or know of an online place where I can find the real true Greek meaning for this and any other words I run into?

Thanks much...haven't been posting as much you all as I don't have internet at home.
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1/3/2014 3:33:01 PM Defence - Greek meaning?  
mindya
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Any word in the OT are Hebrew unless you are using the Greek Septuagint:

The Hebrew word is "misgab" and basically means an "impregnable retreat"

This is from Strongs and some of the translations/meanings from the KJV

Strongs

H4869 misgab mis-gawb'

from H7682;

properly, a cliff (or other lofty or inaccessible place); abstractly, altitude;
figuratively, a refuge:-- defence, high fort (tower), refuge, Misgab, a place in
Moab:--Misgab.

Blueletter bible has tools to click on for various things:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=59&t=KJV#s=t_conc_537016

1/12/2014 1:21:50 PM Defence - Greek meaning?  

33smiles
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Thank you so much mindya. It's confusing as it seems to mean real similar to the word refuge. But, I see it's different - high tower. I'm still trying to understand the difference between the two as they are so close but to me they seem to mean differently.

1/12/2014 3:06:29 PM Defence - Greek meaning?  
hadassah169
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If it was in Psalms you should seek the Hebrew word that was translated as defence.

This is the same as defense it can be spelled in English either way.


Below I've included the English definition and the Hebrew word translated as defence in some places in the Psalms.




Google definition

de·fense
di'fens,'de?fens/
noun
noun: defence
1.
the action of defending from or resisting attack.
"they relied on missiles for the country's defense"
synonyms: protection, guarding, security, fortification; More
vindication, justification, support, advocacy, endorsement;
apology, explanation, exoneration
attempted justification or vindication of something.





http://biblehub.com/hebrew/4869.htm

Strong's #4869 misgab

misgab: a secure height, retreat, stronghold
Original Word: ?????????
Part of Speech: noun masculine; proper name, of a location
Transliteration: misgab
Phonetic Spelling: (mis-gawb')
Short Definition: stronghold





Brown-Driver-Briggs
I. ????????? noun [masculine AlbrZAW xvi (1896), 60] secure height, retreat; — ?? Psalm +; construct ????????? Isaiah 25:12; suffix ???????????? Psalm 18:3 +, etc.; —


2 figurative of God as refuge Psalm 9:10 (twice in verse), Psalm 18:3 = 2 Samuel 22:3; Psalm 46:8; Psalm 46:12; Psalm 48:4; Psalm 59:10; Psalm 59:17; Psalm 59:18; Psalm 62:3; Psalm 62:7; Psalm 94:22; Psalm 144:2.

1/12/2014 3:22:42 PM Defence - Greek meaning?  
hadassah169
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The question marks are Hebrew script DH doesn't have this script installed so it doesn't recognize it.

1/17/2014 12:58:19 PM Defence - Greek meaning?  

33smiles
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thanks so much. I still am thinking upon all that you both have said and I still have a question mark in my mind. I am not sure what is unclear but I will read more and maybe I will get it. Retreat means the same to me as refuge so I am not getting how defence is different than refuge. Retreat or stronghold means refuge to me. Defence seems different. Iv'e been hung up on this for a while. Thanks all for any helps you have.

2/9/2014 3:31:38 PM Defence - Greek meaning?  

33smiles
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any new thoughts?



[Edited 2/9/2014 3:31:55 PM ]

2/9/2014 6:31:11 PM Defence - Greek meaning?  

allen281
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What verse are speaking about ?