1/28/2015 3:41:41 AM |
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be_great
Houston, TX
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I'm at my wit ends here, and want to take legal actions against a stupid, evil, dishonest Collection Agency.
I had a debt I made more than 7 years go which passed the Statue of Limitation. And my old debt somehow been sent to a Collection Agency (which I have no intention of paying since it passed 7 years).
Now, on my Credit Report, I notice the Collection Agency is wrecking havoc on my Credit Report (Credit Score). And what they'd doing seem to be illegal practice. At least there should be a law against dishonest practices like that.
At one time, my Credit Score was hitting around 728. Today, it's hitting around 630...which drop me out from having at least "Good Credit" and now, "Poor Credit."
And it wasn't by any negative activities I was doing on my end but by that demonic Collection Agency and their evil practices.
For example....
My old debt has passed 7 years, and after 7 years, the debt was removed from my Credit Report. That removal cause my Credit Score to jump more 20+ points. I also have other activities boosting my credit score.
So, like I said, I had a score hitting at 728. And it dropped considerably now and just outside of "Good Credit."
I took a closer look why my Credit stability was flautuationg wildly and hostile.
And I learned a Collection Agency got ahold of my old debt and threw it back on my Credit Report. They reported to the IRS.
This cause my score to drop. But since I have other credit activities happening on my Credit Report, I was still boosting my credit score every 2 months and half.
So, the Collection Agency would then take the same old debt, and remove it from my credit again. And then after a month, report it back to the IRS....subsequently, dropping my Score further.
A classic Rinse and Repeat process.
And the more my score keep rising, the lower it ends up being through the Collection Agency' Rinse and Repeat process which should be ILLEGAL!!!
Any advice????
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1/28/2015 3:49:38 AM |
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extortionegos
Hayward, CA
37, joined Apr. 2014
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Wait 23 more years.
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1/28/2015 3:52:03 AM |
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be_great
Houston, TX
41, joined Dec. 2014
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I doubt even America would be that great in 23 more years. I feel violated.
I want to get my hands on the motherf**ker who came up with that evil practice and beat the crap out of him.
Ugh!
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1/28/2015 4:06:14 AM |
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sweetnsassy1957
Valparaiso, IN
57, joined Jun. 2014
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Be careful how you handle a debt that has passed the statue of limitations within your state law.
It seems any contact from you may reset that clock.
You still owe the debt but they aren't supposed to be able to sue.
Third party collection agencies bid pennies per dollar on old accounts like that in hopes of making a profit.
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1/28/2015 4:15:52 AM |
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be_great
Houston, TX
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Be careful how you handle a debt that has passed the statue of limitations within your state law.
It seems any contact from you may reset that clock.
You still owe the debt but they aren't supposed to be able to sue.
Third party collection agencies bid pennies per dollar on old accounts like that in hopes of making a profit.
Yeah, I get that. If they wanted to put it on my credit report, I have no issues with that. I can get around that and still boost my credit score and not let it affect me.
If they want to put it on my C.R., fine. Do that. But don't keep removing and then reporting it again and again as Rinse and Repeat process to intentionally harms one's credit score.
That's what they doing. They saw my score and sought it crash down as if that's gonna get my attention to pay the debt I have no intention of paying, ever.
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1/28/2015 5:19:44 AM |
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wench_doctor789
Atlanta, GA
38, joined Nov. 2014
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The debt buyer is reporting old debt like it's new debt
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/debt-buyers-your-credit-report.html
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1/28/2015 7:24:34 AM |
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bumblebee7
Fort Payne, AL
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Advice ?
pay your bills, instead of letting them go until some statue of limitations.
Its dishonest to receive things without paying for them.
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1/28/2015 7:40:21 AM |
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be_great
Houston, TX
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Advice ?
pay your bills, instead of letting them go until some statue of limitations.
Its dishonest to receive things without paying for them.
The way the debt was made, was from Triage care. F**king Triage care.
They just took my temp, blood pressure and plug some body monitor plugs over my chest.....shit I didn't even need when I already knew what was wrong with me. I had a flu-like symptom and bad migraine and needed anti iotics to treat it. That's all.
All that stuff they did, I could have gone to the story and buy my own temperature-needle and take my own blood pressure at a local Walmart store or buy the product to myself.
Cost to me: under $50 bucks.
Cost Hosp. charged me: just over a thousand dollars.
And I didn't stay after the Triage sent me back to the lobby to wait on an available room. I left.
So why pay that when I told them I know what was wrong with me, and that I needed antiboitics. They still insist.
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1/28/2015 7:43:35 AM |
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whitl42
Beaver Dam, KY
43, joined Feb. 2014
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Since you have NO interest in paying the debt you accumulated.. And have stated that over and over.. I honestly don't see the point in this thread..
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1/28/2015 7:46:44 AM |
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kawkasian
Houston, TX
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So why pay that when I told them I know what was wrong with me, and that I needed antiboitics. They still insist.
Because you used their services...if you didn't want to pay, don't use the services and go elsewhere.
They can "insist" all they want...you can still say "no thanks".
Pay the debt, they will settle for a lower amount...it will benefit you more than them...next time you get a bill for services you received, pay it.
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1/28/2015 7:50:06 AM |
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bumblebee7
Fort Payne, AL
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Well...if hospitals solely went by what the patients telling them what is wrong with them, and handed out perscriptions based on this.
I'm afraid there would be a lot more dead people and more law suits.
They have certain procedures and guidelines to determine in their minds, what is wrong with the patient...and they net the safety net that something else is not wrong with you.
And if this wasn't a major emergency, why did you go to a Hospital?
You could have gone into a clinic for the lesser insured and come out better cost wise.
All this said, if a person can't pay the bill in full, you can send them a small payment each month to keep the Collection Agency off your back...sometimes its as little as ten bucks a month.
Dude, the way the system is unfortunately set up, you'll likely have to hire an attorney to clear this off your record...to where you can get things fixed right.
Its set up like this, so everyone possible gets a piece of the pie.
Pay the piper and move on....such the wiser hopefully.
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1/28/2015 7:52:58 AM |
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bumblebee7
Fort Payne, AL
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Since you have NO interest in paying the debt you accumulated.. And have stated that over and over.. I honestly don't see the point in this thread..
Some people are conditioned to whine and point fingers always in the other direction and want as many freebies as they can get.
I think, if nothing else....the showing and proof of this, made the thread somewhat worthy of seeing.
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1/28/2015 7:56:31 AM |
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bumblebee7
Fort Payne, AL
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OP...Assuming your really two black and king...and whatever other profiles used.
Which in some ways, I'm beginning to have my doubts in this.
But lets say it is you.
How many times have you sent someone over to wax someone, because they were late on their crack payments? or busted up one of your street walkers, because she held back on some of the money?
Considering all of this....do you really have room to b*tch about this?
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1/28/2015 8:00:50 AM |
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walt_hallow
Lexington, KY
58, joined Nov. 2014
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Hell OP, I had a credit co. deny my loan because I was reported as being behind in child support, but at the time I was married to my one and only wife with our own children, you talk about a f**king mess! ..
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1/28/2015 8:28:14 AM |
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viper1e
Jeannette, PA
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1. File a dispute with the credit bureau.
2. File a case in small claims court for three times the value of the disputed amount. This is especially useful if the collection agency is based out of state, because then they will either have to fly someone out for the hearing, or risk having a default judgment entered against them. Either way, it's an expense they do not want to incur.
3. File a complaint against the collection agency with the Federal Trade Commission.
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1/28/2015 8:35:58 AM |
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be_great
Houston, TX
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Because you used their services...if you didn't want to pay, don't use the services and go elsewhere.
They can "insist" all they want...you can still say "no thanks".
Pay the debt, they will settle for a lower amount...it will benefit you more than them...next time you get a bill for services you received, pay it.
Poor 'ole Cawk saying the most obvious shit.
I didn't ask for the Triage care..I understand they need to do it to protect themselves and that just proper protocols all hospitals follows.
After the Triage, the actual service I needed was not performed. I left. Because I didn't have time to wait that long.
That lobby was full of sick Latino people. In droves. I went home and winged it on my own know-how.
Showers/Soup/Motrin.....and keep the room dark or dimmed with a quilt around me.
The Triage is standard procedure to protect the Doctors/Nurse. That's something that shouldn't be apart of the cost if they asking you "what's wrong" and you tell them what's wrong, and then they perform a test to see if you lie about what's wrong.
If you go to a nice restuarant...and the Greeter seat you in your seat, and get your drinks for now, that's of no cost to you.
It's the same when you go to a hospital. It's standard "hospitable"....and should be free.
So, I left thinking they would excuse that since I didn't get served for what ail me. Just the standard operating procedure...which was nothing..I could h as very done that myself.
Just like a customers in a restuarant could have found the table they want to sit themselves.
You Liberals......
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1/28/2015 8:54:23 AM |
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bill_i_am2
FPO, AP
52, joined Apr. 2010
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Triage = Emergency room used as a family doctor
Typical of " you " type of people and then refuse to pay because
you thought (?) you were the actual doctor
So the question is, since you thought you knew better, why did you go in the first place
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1/28/2015 8:58:13 AM |
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gfjf
Niagara Falls, NY
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***This is not intended to be legal advice, these are simply things that worked for ME. Please consult your Attorney for legal advice***
Back when I still used credit I ran into the same problem, but I researched hard and found a few things to remedy the problem you're having:
1. Make sure you haven't paid on the debt at all, not even once, in the last however number of years your state sets the statute of limitations. What many people don't realize is that if you pay even once during that period you reset the debt period. Put simply, if your state says the period is 7 years, that means you will have to have not paid a single cent for 7 consecutive years.
If you're certain you clear the above criteria, make a formal dispute with all 3 major credit reporting bureaus (Experian, Equifax, TransUnion). Cite that the alleged debt (and specifically use the word "alleged) that the collection agency is attempting to collect on is beyond the statute of limitations and that the collection company is reporting this in violation of the debt collection period statute for your state. But before you do that, make sure that the original credit agreement you agreed to did not somehow either extend beyond your state's statute or have you accepting the credit terms of another state. If you're not certain or you no longer have the docs, ask for it in #3.
2. If you're certain the debt is past the statute of the limitations for the state where agreed, send a cease and desist notice to the collection agency citing that the alleged debt that they are attempting to collect on is past the statute of limitations in the state of (insert state name), and that any further collection actions submitted to you in any form will be considered harassment pursuant to The Fair Debt Collection Act, and that legal action will be taken; if you have a regular Attorney cite that you are being represented by them (cite their name), if not don't worry about it.
This fixed my issue pretty quickly.
3. Another thing you can do if you're uncertain of the debt's time period or if you know the period isn't up, is send a letter to the collection agency asking them to submit proof of the alleged debt to you by mail, specifically proving when the alleged debt was taken out by you, its terms, and the amount, PLUS an itemized statement explaining how they arrived at the current interest charges against you. This involves them having to dig up the actual credit documents; it usually takes some time and often times the company collecting on your debt (especially a debt that was sold) doesn't have those documents at all and can't get them from the original debt collector. Give them no more than 30 days to do it and tell them so in the letter. If they can't produce them, send the cease and desist letter. If they produce insufficient documentation with a number of things missing, send another letter telling them to send what's missing and give them no more than 10 days to do it. If they can't produce it, send them the cease and desist notice. I had to do this once and it worked as well.
4. Don't be afraid of the collection agency's threats. They can't do anything to you. HOWWEVER, be aware that some agencies are now filing criminal complaints with the courts against debtors. If you get a notice like this, SHOW UP FOR COURT because if you don't you CAN be arrested, not for the debt, but for failing to appear. It's rare but it does happen as some courts are stupid enough to enforce it. When you show up, if you no longer owe the debt, just tell the court that you no longer owe the debt based on the statute of limitations.
If you want to get nasty, file a counter complaint against the agency for violating the state statute and the Fair Debt Collection Act, and specify a collector or manager by name who has contacted you to collect the debt. Give them the risk of being arrested too, it's only fair.
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People may view this as dirty, but those people are naive. The common man/woman, whether they realize it or not, is in a constant battle with this corrupt corporate system that breaks the rules--even the rules they've set--to take more and more away from us daily. The system uses everything against us, we need to do the same against it. Win or lose, always make it inconvenient for them.
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1/28/2015 9:00:09 AM |
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be_great
Houston, TX
41, joined Dec. 2014
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@bill
I forgot about illegal immigrants and how pack all hospitals are since their arrival on U.S. soil.
I never seen so many Latino pack a place of business like that.
So, I left because I would have been there into the next day, waiting. It's that bad out here.
And it's the Triage Unit. Where they take your blood pressure, temperature and ask you questions like, "what's wrong."
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1/28/2015 9:02:26 AM |
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gfjf
Niagara Falls, NY
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Be careful how you handle a debt that has passed the statue of limitations within your state law.
It seems any contact from you may reset that clock.
You still owe the debt but they aren't supposed to be able to sue.
Third party collection agencies bid pennies per dollar on old accounts like that in hopes of making a profit.
The part in bold is not accurate. The only thing that can reset a debt is a new agreement or a payment from the debtor.
A debt collector can still contact you beyond the state SOL, but once you demand them to cease and desist, any further contact from them is considered harassment.
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1/28/2015 9:05:12 AM |
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pdforone
Litchfield, OH
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http://www.bigtexcredit.com/resources/texas-law-library/texas-statute-of-limitations-on-debt/
" When does the clock start on the four year statute of limitations?
Texas state laws are more consumer friendly than most states where the statute of limitations starts after the account has been charged off.
In Texas, the Statute of Limitations clock starts on the day the last payment on the account was made. This is often referred to as the ‘date of last activity’ or DLA.
Example: If the last payment on a credit card was made on January 1, 2005, then the statute of limitations for legal action on the account would expire on January 1, 2009. On January 2, 2009, the debt no longer carries a legal obligation to pay.
Why is the date of last activity important?
Many unscrupulous collection agencies inaccurately report the date of last activity on consumer credit reports or debt validations. In some cases, debt collection agencies have gone so far as to file suit against an alleged debtor after the statute of limitations has expired.
As a result, uninformed consumers may take a default judgement in a legal proceedings and are then required by law to pay the debt owed. "
I wonder? Is never made a payment the same as last payment?
Stupid, evil, dishonest people that use hospital services and then decide not to pay for them raise the costs for people that do, all businesses have to figure a percentage of bad debts into their pricing?
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1/28/2015 9:05:23 AM |
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plantkeeper
Alexandria, VA
51, joined Apr. 2011
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If you have had ant contact with them verbally the 7 years starts each time you speAk. Also is can take 10 years....
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1/28/2015 9:07:28 AM |
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kawkasian
Houston, TX
47, joined Sep. 2014
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Poor 'ole Cawk saying the most obvious shit.
Poor 'ole be_great not getting the most obvious shit
I didn't ask for the Triage care..
You asked for it by showing up and accepting the treatment they offered/gave you.
After the Triage, the actual service I needed was not performed. I left. Because I didn't have time to wait that long.
Irrelevant, you accepted the treatment they DID perform.
That lobby was full of sick Latino people. In droves. I went home and winged it on my own know-how.
Irrelevant.
The Triage is standard procedure to protect the Doctors/Nurse. That's something that shouldn't be apart of the cost if they asking you "what's wrong" and you tell them what's wrong, and then they perform a test to see if you lie about what's wrong.
If you know this you also know you can say no/not go etc...you didn't so you pay.
If you go to a nice restuarant...and the Greeter seat you in your seat, and get your drinks for now, that's of no cost to you.
You still have to pay for the drinks you ordered.
It's the same when you go to a hospital. It's standard "hospitable"....and should be free.
The drinks are not free in the restaurant...the seating is...as is the seating in the hospital waiting room...
So, I left thinking they would excuse that since I didn't get served for what ail me. Just the standard operating procedure...which was nothing..I could h as very done that myself.
But you didn't, you chose to use the services of the hospital...which by accepting you incur charges.
Just like a customers in a restuarant could have found the table they want to sit themselves.
Slightly more involved in getting triage care than walking 10ft to a table
You Liberals......
ironic...you're the one wanting free healthcare
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1/28/2015 9:09:11 AM |
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bill_i_am2
FPO, AP
52, joined Apr. 2010
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The " triage unit " is located right before the " emergency room " and
collect information for the treating emergency room doctor(s)
You still used the " emergency room " like a doctors office visit regardless
and then, as typical, refuses to pay for the services provided !!~!~!!
As for your " latino " comments, well now you know how people of the Caucasian
persuasion feel when " you people " venture outside of your own ghetto's into the
" white 'hoods " for service, kind of sucks doesn't it lil buddy
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1/28/2015 9:11:36 AM |
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be_great
Houston, TX
41, joined Dec. 2014
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***This is not intended to be legal advice, these are simply things that worked for ME. Please consult your Attorney for legal advice***
Back when I still used credit I ran into the same problem, but I researched hard and found a few things to remedy the problem you're having:
1. Make sure you haven't paid on the debt at all, not even once, in the last however number of years your state sets the statute of limitations. What many people don't realize is that if you pay even once during that period you reset the debt period. Put simply, if your state says the period is 7 years, that means you will have to have not paid a single cent for 7 consecutive years.
If you're certain you clear the above criteria, make a formal dispute with all 3 major credit reporting bureaus (Experian, Equifax, TransUnion). Cite that the alleged debt (and specifically use the word "alleged) that the collection agency is attempting to collect on is beyond the statute of limitations and that the collection company is reporting this in violation of the debt collection period statute for your state. But before you do that, make sure that the original credit agreement you agreed to did not somehow either extend beyond your state's statute or have you accepting the credit terms of another state. If you're not certain or you no longer have the docs, ask for it in #3.
2. If you're certain the debt is past the statute of the limitations for the state where agreed, send a cease and desist notice to the collection agency citing that the alleged debt that they are attempting to collect on is past the statute of limitations in the state of (insert state name), and that any further collection actions submitted to you in any form will be considered harassment pursuant to The Fair Debt Collection Act, and that legal action will be taken; if you have a regular Attorney cite that you are being represented by them (cite their name), if not don't worry about it.
This fixed my issue pretty quickly.
3. Another thing you can do if you're uncertain of the debt's time period or if you know the period isn't up, is send a letter to the collection agency asking them to submit proof of the alleged debt to you by mail, specifically proving when the alleged debt was taken out by you, its terms, and the amount, PLUS an itemized statement explaining how they arrived at the current interest charges against you. This involves them having to dig up the actual credit documents; it usually takes some time and often times the company collecting on your debt (especially a debt that was sold) doesn't have those documents at all and can't get them from the original debt collector. Give them no more than 30 days to do it and tell them so in the letter. If they can't produce them, send the cease and desist letter. If they produce insufficient documentation with a number of things missing, send another letter telling them to send what's missing and give them no more than 10 days to do it. If they can't produce it, send them the cease and desist notice. I had to do this once and it worked as well.
4. Don't be afraid of the collection agency's threats. They can't do anything to you. HOWWEVER, be aware that some agencies are now filing criminal complaints with the courts against debtors. If you get a notice like this, SHOW UP FOR COURT because if you don't you CAN be arrested, not for the debt, but for failing to appear. It's rare but it does happen as some courts are stupid enough to enforce it. When you show up, if you no longer owe the debt, just tell the court that you no longer owe the debt based on the statute of limitations.
If you want to get nasty, file a counter complaint against the agency for violating the state statute and the Fair Debt Collection Act, and specify a collector or manager by name who has contacted you to collect the debt. Give them the risk of being arrested too, it's only fair.
======
People may view this as dirty, but those people are naive. The common man/woman, whether they realize it or not, is in a constant battle with this corrupt corporate system that breaks the rules--even the rules they've set--to take more and more away from us daily. The system uses everything against us, we need to do the same against it. Win or lose, always make it inconvenient for them.
Now, this is good stuff I want to hear.
Can't believe I have to wade through a bunch being-a-Critic-on-purpose posters until that one post stands out that get the gist of what I'm saying.
I cited, Statue of Limitation in my opening thread and still posters questioned me on why I even made this thread as if it doesn't make sense what I'm complaining about since I have a debt.
Liberals.....I tell ya. Smh.
Good stuff though. And yes, that where my mind is right now and I'm hoping that works for me too but the only problem, it looks like my Debtor (the Hospital) altered my record and put the dates outside of the statue of Limitation and make it as recent as 3 years ago when I know for a fact it was 15 years ago.
The Collection Agency are buying up old debts from my Hospital and seem to have forge original contents or both getting money off marketing old debts with Statue of Limitation.
How do I navigate that and get them to report the original date and not think I'm crazy enough to believe I made that debt just 3 years ago when I know I didnt??
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1/28/2015 9:12:56 AM |
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gfjf
Niagara Falls, NY
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If you have had ant contact with them verbally the 7 years starts each time you speAk. Also is can take 10 years....
As I said before, this is not accurate. The only thing that can reset a debt period is a new agreement or a payment from the debtor.
If what you said were true, no debtor would be able to fight a debt since you have to actually make contact with the collection agency to do so...
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1/28/2015 9:13:28 AM |
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kawkasian
Houston, TX
47, joined Sep. 2014
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Liberals.....I tell ya. Smh.
In case you missed it...
You Liberals......
ironic...you're the one wanting free healthcare
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1/28/2015 9:19:45 AM |
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be_great
Houston, TX
41, joined Dec. 2014
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Liberals.....I tell ya. Smh.
In case you missed it...
You Liberals......
ironic...you're the one wanting free healthcare
Liberal Comedian.
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1/28/2015 9:20:26 AM |
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kawkasian
Houston, TX
47, joined Sep. 2014
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Not a liberal, quite the opposite
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1/28/2015 9:36:27 AM |
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be_great
Houston, TX
41, joined Dec. 2014
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@pdfone,
I heard that to, and the language is just confusing. I thought it's a 7 year limitation and many have told me that but said it's only in effect after you have been taken to court on the debt.
Some says like giff explained, and I will follow up on his approach.
My issues for now, are questions centered around the dates. I know my debt was made more than 10 years ago.
On my credit report, it's showing a year ago (2013). When I called that Collection Agency (now I'm regretting I did if what planterlife said is true)....they telling me it was 3 years ago.
Look at this though...
I have a membership with CreditKarma.com and they document when the debt came off my Credit Report and a month later the SAME Debt got re-reported again; causing my credit score to drop significantly from a high of 728.
I'm wondering if I can use that as proof when I do like giff said in his approach and let them see what this Collection Agency is doing by keeping reporting the SAME old debt over and over when my credit score gets boosted. Only to see it drop back down because of their dishonest business practices.
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1/28/2015 9:40:45 AM |
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widow59
Twinsburg, OH
65, joined Mar. 2008
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Advice ?
pay your bills, instead of letting them go until some statue of limitations.
Its dishonest to receive things without paying for them.
My feeling exactly!
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1/28/2015 9:41:59 AM |
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rightguyforu72
Naperville, IL
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this thread should be in general discussion
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1/28/2015 9:42:40 AM |
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rightguyforu72
Naperville, IL
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only an utter imbecile would place this thread in dating general discussion
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1/28/2015 9:44:04 AM |
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gfjf
Niagara Falls, NY
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The Collection Agency are buying up old debts from my Hospital and seem to have forge original contents or both getting money off marketing old debts with Statue of Limitation.
How do I navigate that and get them to report the original date and not think I'm crazy enough to believe I made that debt just 3 years ago when I know I didnt??
You can try a couple things.
1. Call the hospital and get a name of who is in charge of the financial department, then contact the hospital's financial department by certified letter asking for the original record.
Try to work this out first. If you get the actual original records from them, keep them and send them to the collection agency by certified letter, adding all of the other information I mentioned before in the earlier post.
Also, make sure you include those records with your credit bureau disputes.
2. If #1 fails, send a letter to the collection agency telling the agency that you believe the records they have are not accurate and ask them for the original records.
3. If either or both the hospital and the agency report false records to you, it's time to seek an Attorney and take them both to court on fraud grounds.
It will be very difficult for them prove this lie, so you'll likely come out on top. They're even more likely to settle in a situation like this. Just don't agree to settle in a situation where YOU have to pay anything.
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be_great
Houston, TX
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Only an utter retard would even open his mouth.
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1/28/2015 9:49:24 AM |
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be_great
Houston, TX
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You can try a couple things.
1. Call the hospital and get a name of who is in charge of the financial department, then contact the hospital's financial department by certified letter asking for the original record.
Try to work this out first. If you get the actual original records from them, keep them and send them to the collection agency by certified letter, adding all of the other information I mentioned before in the earlier post.
Also, make sure you include those records with your credit bureau disputes.
2. If #1 fails, send a letter to the collection agency telling the agency that you believe the records they have are not accurate and ask them for the original records.
3. If either or both the hospital and the agency report false records to you, it's time to seek an Attorney and take them both to court on fraud grounds.
It will be very difficult for them prove this lie, so you'll likely come out on top. They're even more likely to settle in a situation like this. Just don't agree to settle in a situation where YOU have to pay anything.
This is good stuff, dude. Thanks alot!!
I'm gonna get all the info straight and do this to clear my name and save my Credit. The one thing I depend on and live by...is my Credit. Without out it, I'm nothing.
Thanks again.
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kawkasian
Houston, TX
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The one thing I depend on and live by...is my Credit. Without out it, I'm nothing.
Change the word credit for master we are back in the 1840s...
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1/28/2015 9:53:39 AM |
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sweetmama117
Bronx, NY
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OP I had a collection agency screw with my
credit score for a bill I paid. Yeap
I paid this phone bill and collection agency
kept sending me a bill. I would send them a
copy of the money order show that that bill
was paid. And they still screwed
up my credit. I haven't seen them in my Credit report
so I guess the limitation has lifted.
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pdforone
Litchfield, OH
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@pdfone,
I heard that to, and the language is just confusing. I thought it's a 7 year limitation and many have told me that but said it's only in effect after you have been taken to court on the debt.
Some says like giff explained, and I will follow up on his approach.
My issues for now, are questions centered around the dates. I know my debt was made more than 10 years ago.
On my credit report, it's showing a year ago (2013). When I called that Collection Agency (now I'm regretting I did if what planterlife said is true)....they telling me it was 3 years ago.
Look at this though...
I have a membership with CreditKarma.com and they document when the debt came off my Credit Report and a month later the SAME Debt got re-reported again; causing my credit score to drop significantly from a high of 728.
I'm wondering if I can use that as proof when I do like giff said in his approach and let them see what this Collection Agency is doing by keeping reporting the SAME old debt over and over when my credit score gets boosted. Only to see it drop back down because of their dishonest business practices.
I have no idea really, my credit score is above 800 and it has never been an issue for me.
One of my former son in laws bought some furniture almost 20 years ago and didn't pay, the furniture store took him to court, he didn't show. They were awarded the debt, legal fees, and 25% interest on the unpaid balance, he also has hospital bills he has never paid. Once or twice a year I still get mail here from debt collectors trying to track him down, and I haven't seen or heard from him in 15+ years.
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1/28/2015 9:55:25 AM |
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gfjf
Niagara Falls, NY
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Advice ?
pay your bills, instead of letting them go until some statue of limitations.
Its dishonest to receive things without paying for them.
Stupid, evil, dishonest people that use hospital services and then decide not to pay for them raise the costs for people that do, all businesses have to figure a percentage of bad debts into their pricing?
Most people--especially today--are unable to pay the exorbitant over-priced amounts hospitals charge.
Is being unable to pay stupid, evil and dishonest? or are the cold money-hungry corporate stiffs running the healthcare system evil and dishonest for overcharging? And it's well known that hospitals COULD charge a lot less than they do and still be wildly profitable.
Why is it that people are willing to attack the poor but not the system that keeps them poor?
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1/28/2015 9:57:38 AM |
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kawkasian
Houston, TX
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Is being unable to pay stupid, evil and dishonest?
No but being unable to pay...using the services anyway...and then b*tching about it when your credit gets messed up..is.
Those same poor people who whine about it still manage to pay their internet/cable/cell phone bills huh?
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be_great
Houston, TX
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Most people--especially today--are unable to pay the exorbitant over-priced amounts hospitals charge.
Is being unable to pay stupid, evil and dishonest? or are the cold money-hungry corporate stiffs running the healthcare system evil and dishonest for overcharging? And it's well known that hospitals COULD charge a lot less than they do and still be wildly profitable.
Why is it that people are willing to attack the poor but not the system that keeps them poor?
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1/28/2015 9:59:22 AM |
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kawkasian
Houston, TX
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You're a f**king liberal be_Great
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1/28/2015 10:01:05 AM |
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be_great
Houston, TX
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OP I had a collection agency screw with my
credit score for a bill I paid. Yeap
I paid this phone bill and collection agency
kept sending me a bill. I would send them a
copy of the money order show that that bill
was paid. And they still screwed
up my credit. I haven't seen them in my Credit report
so I guess the limitation has lifted.
You're in a much better situation than I.
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1/28/2015 10:01:16 AM |
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gfjf
Niagara Falls, NY
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Is being unable to pay stupid, evil and dishonest?
No but being unable to pay...using the services anyway...and then b*tching about it when your credit gets messed up..is.
So you're okay with the system using its rules against you, even breaking those rules and engaging in illegal activity (fraud in this case), but you're not okay with people using the rules against the system while doing it perfectly legal?
Okay.
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1/28/2015 10:01:46 AM |
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be_great
Houston, TX
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You're a f**king liberal be_Great
....remember, your double is a Liberal to the core, boy.
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1/28/2015 10:03:07 AM |
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pdforone
Litchfield, OH
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Most people--especially today--are unable to pay the exorbitant over-priced amounts hospitals charge.
Is being unable to pay stupid, evil and dishonest? or are the cold money-hungry corporate stiffs running the healthcare system evil and dishonest for overcharging? And it's well known that hospitals COULD charge a lot less than they do and still be wildly profitable.
Why is it that people are willing to attack the poor but not the system that keeps them poor?
I may have missed the part where he said he was unable to pay, the part where he said he wasn't going to pay stood out.
I always thought it was part of the good conservative's thinking to expect to be paid for services rendered, and to profit from them?
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iceheart86
Florence, OR
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You didn't pay your debt. Don't complain.
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1/28/2015 10:06:54 AM |
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widow59
Twinsburg, OH
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Advice ?
pay your bills, instead of letting them go until some statue of limitations.
Its dishonest to receive things without paying for them.
My feeling exactly!
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1/28/2015 10:08:39 AM |
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kawkasian
Houston, TX
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So you're okay with the system using its rules against you
No, and that's now what's happened here.
You go to the source of the problem, not the middle of it, the source of the problem was the OP not paying his bills.
even breaking those rules and engaging in illegal activity (fraud in this case)
See above.
but you're not okay with people using the rules against the system while doing it perfectly legal?
I'm perfectly fine with that...but again, that's not what happened her.
The OP initiated the whole fiasco by accepting services and then not paying for them...anything that followed was a result of that...simple as that.
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1/28/2015 10:09:07 AM |
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kawkasian
Houston, TX
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You didn't pay your debt. Don't complain.
Yup, very simple to anyone with 1/2 brain (or more).
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gfjf
Niagara Falls, NY
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I may have missed the part where he said he was unable to pay, the part where he said he wasn't going to pay stood out.
I always thought it was part of the good conservative's thinking to expect to be paid for services rendered, and to profit from them?
I don't subscribe to political mumbo-jumbo. I'm neither conservative, liberal, democrat or republican, I just look at right and wrong.
The only thing that matters in this situation is that the debt is long past the statute of limitations. It's not illegal for the debtor not to pay for whatever reason, but it is illegal for the collector to harass a debtor past the statute or limitations, and it is fraud for the collector to edit the records. It's also credit fraud for the collector to report the false information to the credit bureaus.
The debtor has done nothing illegal. The collector--if what the OP is stating is 100% accurate and I have no reason to believe otherwise--has done plenty illegal. That's all there is to it.
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1/28/2015 10:16:32 AM |
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kawkasian
Houston, TX
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The debtor has done nothing illegal.
Theft I believe is the term when you don't pay for something you receive...1yr 7yrs 70yrs...doesn't change that you stole something.
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1/28/2015 10:19:10 AM |
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be_great
Houston, TX
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So you're okay with the system using its rules against you
No, and that's now what's happened here.
You go to the source of the problem, not the middle of it, the source of the problem was the OP not paying his bills.
even breaking those rules and engaging in illegal activity (fraud in this case)
See above.
but you're not okay with people using the rules against the system while doing it perfectly legal?
I'm perfectly fine with that...but again, that's not what happened her.
The OP initiated the whole fiasco by accepting services and then not paying for them...anything that followed was a result of that...simple as that.
....I didn't sign that form!
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1/28/2015 10:19:49 AM |
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kawkasian
Houston, TX
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....I didn't sign form!
You don't sign a form when you eat your steak and shrimp...but you still have to pay for it when the bill comes...
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1/28/2015 10:21:04 AM |
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gfjf
Niagara Falls, NY
33, joined Jul. 2009
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So you're okay with the system using its rules against you
No, and that's now what's happened here.
You go to the source of the problem, not the middle of it, the source of the problem was the OP not paying his bills.
even breaking those rules and engaging in illegal activity (fraud in this case)
See above.
but you're not okay with people using the rules against the system while doing it perfectly legal?
I'm perfectly fine with that...but again, that's not what happened her.
The OP initiated the whole fiasco by accepting services and then not paying for them...anything that followed was a result of that...simple as that.
Nope. The collector IS breaking laws, a number of them, that's not even debatable.
The fact that the OP didn't pay the bill may or may not have been for a good reason, but that stopped mattering at the 7 year mark.
The debt has reached the statute of limitations. The OP is no longer legally required to pay. The collector is breaking the law in a number of ways, and owing a debt does not give the collector the right to break the law. The OP has a right to recourse. It's as simple as that.
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be_great
Houston, TX
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You don't sign a form when you eat your steak and shrimp...but you still have to pay for it when the bill comes...
They normally render the Triage Unit service without you signing anything. After you get your room, that's when the Insurance guys comes in and take your information down.
So, I never gotten to that point and then, left.
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gfjf
Niagara Falls, NY
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The debtor has done nothing illegal.
Theft I believe is the term when you don't pay for something you receive...
Nope. If that were the case we'd all be stealing services here since we don't pay for them.
There is more to it than that.
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1/28/2015 10:27:02 AM |
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kawkasian
Houston, TX
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Nope. The collector IS breaking laws, a number of them, that's not even debatable.
Yes it is, 1...if you accept goods or services and don't pay, you ARE breaking the law..fraud/theft.
The fact that the OP didn't pay the bill may or may not have been for a good reason, but that stopped mattering at the 7 year mark.
Ummm simply because the 7yrs has past doesn't mean it doesn't matter anymore that he's a thief. The legal obligation to pay it might have passed but a thief is still a thief.
The collector is breaking the law in a number of ways, and owing a debt does not give the collector the right to break the law. The OP has a right to recourse. It's as simple as that.
Well we only have the OPs word on this...and he's an already admitted thief...so go ahead and believe him if you will.
It's also amusing that you think collection agencies would be find and upstanding about it...they are collection agents/agencies because you have to be bit of a twat to do the job.
...all the more reason not to f**k with them in the first place
Op caused a problem for the original creditor who sold the problem to the collection agency who now have chosen to f**k with the OP.
...all stemming from the OPs orginal default...100% his fault.
Sure he can b*tch and moan and take them to court etc...that's just more unnecessary discomfort for him...collection agencies do it all the time.
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kawkasian
Houston, TX
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Nope. If that were the case we'd all be stealing services here since we don't pay for them.
This is a free service, hospital treatment is not
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