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4/20/2015 7:03:02 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
mralwaysrite
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Why the OP hasn't listed the top biggest Corporate Welfare recipients in America?

His article quoted; "Here are the top eight companies from that list, and the total known amount in subsidies they are receiving"

However, f**kall!

Well, here they are;


8 Biggest Corporate Welfare Recipients In America

8. Nike, $2.03 billion
7. Royal Dutch Shell, $2.04 billion
6. Fiat Chrysler, $2.06
5. Ford, $2.52 billion
4. General Motors, $3.58 billion
3. Intel, $3.07 billion
2. Alcoa, 5.64 billion
1. Boeing, $13.18 billion




http://www.cheatsheet.com/business/high-on-the-hog-the-top-8-corporate-welfare-recipients.html/?a=viewall

QUESTION: in reference to subsidies, has anyone heard Obama and/or his liberals mentioned anything about non-oil companies?


Not me

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4/20/2015 8:55:12 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
fmrqb
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Quote from loving91390:
You jackasses need to wake up ....

Grezzzy is a welfare /disability earner and has been his whole life !
that is funny,plus he is from mississippi, they aint too bright down there those welfare bums.

It doesnt matter black or white most of them too stupid to realize that they are stupid.

4/20/2015 8:59:01 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

lobo_corazon
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Quote from fearless8841:


Sooner or later, we'll have representation with the balls to put a stop to this kind of nonsense.

I hope Cruz, if elected, is able to do what he says he wants to do. I have yet to see a politician keep their word.

And just divide the US in to separate states?

I'm curious - What would you do with all those nuclear missiles? Texas with their own "button" would be more scary than Iran getting a nuke.

4/20/2015 9:31:26 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
beanhammer
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Quote from lobo_corazon:
And just divide the US in to separate states?

I'm curious - What would you do with all those nuclear missiles? Texas with their own "button" would be more scary than Iran getting a nuke.


No worry we like canadads
Plus we are a republican ran stare

4/20/2015 12:19:28 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

muldoon1959
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No outrage over corporate welfare?
Of course not.
They're the "job creators"
Even though what they've been doing amounts to extortion.

4/20/2015 12:25:53 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
61falcon
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Corporate welfare and tax cuts for the ultra wealthy, is the only legislation the GOP House and Senate is interested in passing.Anything that benefits the middle class or poor is destined for severe cutting.

4/20/2015 4:17:17 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

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4/20/2015 4:35:38 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
peterk2
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as if the democrats have done wonders for the middle class



[Edited 4/20/2015 4:35:56 PM ]

4/20/2015 9:15:59 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

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4/20/2015 9:35:12 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
peterk2
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poverty forever by destroying their housing values, democrat style, biggassy



4/20/2015 9:38:25 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

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4/20/2015 9:49:35 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

nycman530
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Quote from biggeazzy:


If that's the case, why did Obama decide not to extend the payroll tax cuts a few years back?

4/20/2015 9:57:16 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
darthcapital2
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Bigeazzy,

Who says anyone is looking down on them? libtards like you cannot accept the irrefutable fact, we are not born equal or have equal skills, we have the same opportunities to succeed.

In America and my country too there are more rags to riches story, abundance, prosperity , good fortune and good health belongs to each and everyone of us, the problem is most people cannot accept that and they live their lives in denial and self deprivation and then blames others that has the guts to risk.

As much as I love playing basketball and I can hire the best tutors in the world,heck Micheal Jordan himself can tutor me and I will not be able to dunk like him or Lebron, no matter how hard I practice.

Some people are born to lead, some people are born to follow and the rest have no clue what's going on.

Those that dont have the skills has choices, sacrifice or whine and complain, I guess it's easier to whine and complain then to actually take action.

4/20/2015 11:58:00 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

biggeazzy
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@Darth... libtards?

Check your spelling OR..



Give me a definition.

4/21/2015 12:23:03 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

cubcougar
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Quote from fearless8841:


Sooner or later, we'll have representation with the balls to put a stop to this kind of nonsense.

I hope Cruz, if elected, is able to do what he says he wants to do. I have yet to see a politician keep their word.


That is why I vote Independent ... Toss all the Bums OUT ... and their taco sauce licker wives.



4/21/2015 5:34:17 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

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4/21/2015 9:39:41 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

lobo_corazon
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Quote from biggeazzy:
@Darth... libtards?

Check your spelling OR..

Give me a definition.

It's a blanket slur that small-minded people use to try to convince themselves that they are better than someone else.

4/21/2015 9:41:06 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

lobo_corazon
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Quote from nycman530:
If that's the case, why did Obama decide not to extend the payroll tax cuts a few years back?

Maybe because the country is ~$11 trillion in debt, and constantly digging deeper?



[Edited 4/21/2015 9:41:13 PM ]

4/21/2015 9:43:39 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

biggeazzy
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Quote from lobo_corazon:
It's a blanket slur that small-minded people use to try to convince themselves that they are better than someone else.



Oh... thanks for clearing that up. I see a lot of right wingers love their little pet names.

Plus, they seem to be very emotional.

4/21/2015 9:47:24 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

lobo_corazon
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Emotional is what they do. That's why we rationals frustrate them so.

4/21/2015 10:00:10 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
darthcapital2
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Quote from biggeazzy:
@Darth... libtards?

Check your spelling OR..



Give me a definition.
Sorry I wasnt avoiding you , this is my first opportunity for me to get on , I had a long day at work with an emergency... okay to answer your question

To me a libtard is the retard section of the liberal group, the difference is libtards loves to blame the conservatives and tends to be dyspeptic in nature, where as intelligent liberals have no problem debating conservatives on the issues they dont use sophistry or tired arguments.

Just like I haven't figured out a name for those on the conservative side that are also retarded in nature with their rhetoric, sophistry and tired argument, Im almost tempted to call them teabaggers but that has a different meaning, so many I will stick to calling those on the right " repubs retards"

There are intelligent people on both sides of the political fence and there are retards on both sides too.

Even on these threads there are intelligent liberals that I respect, I may not agree with their stance but they can debate intelligently just like those on the right, I call them capitalist but not necessary republicans/tea party members etc.

A true capitalist doesn't label themselves with any political party , they may side with one on core issue but they know that either party isn't the answer to the problems, where as Libtards thinks the democrats have the solution and those republicans are idiots and the conservative right wing believes the republicans have the answer and democrats are the idiots blah blah blah.

A true capitalist pride themselves as independent thinkers and believes neither party or big government is the solution but is part of the problem.



[Edited 4/21/2015 10:02:48 PM ]

4/21/2015 10:09:37 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
mralwaysrite
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Quote from biggeazzy:




The title of your ad was shrewdly worded.

"Republican fight to keep giving them billions more in corporate welfare"

Key word....MORE

In other words, assuming 60% of their subsidies/tax breaks are exclusively for the oil and gas industry, the question is; did the Democrats unanimously approved and/or opposed the other 40%?



Tell me biggeazzy, what percentage of their subsidies is exclusively for the oil and gas industry?

What percentage of Buffet's Choos Choos subsidies is exclusively for the transportation industry?

And in 2014, how much subsidies were exclusively for Hollywood?



[Edited 4/21/2015 10:12:04 PM ]

4/21/2015 10:12:17 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

biggeazzy
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So... it boil down to whenever you see fit to use that terminology depending on your discretion?






#E.pluribus.unum

4/21/2015 10:18:47 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
darthcapital2
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no bigeazzy ,it's "res ipsa loquitar "as the old folks use to say.

or "is est quis is est" which ever you prefer.

4/21/2015 10:19:03 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

lobo_corazon
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Quote from darthcapital2:
A true capitalist doesn't label themselves with any political party , they may side with one on core issue but they know that either party isn't the answer to the problems, where as Libtards thinks the democrats have the solution and those republicans are idiots and the conservative right wing believes the republicans have the answer and democrats are the idiots blah blah blah.

A true capitalist pride themselves as independent thinkers and believes neither party or big government is the solution but is part of the problem.

Unfortunately these "true Capitalists" don't seem to be in public view. Instead we have billionaires like the Koch brothers, and mega-corps like Exxon and Goldman Sachs carrying the banner of Capitalism, who clearly believe big government is just another tool for them to use in the never-ending quest for more profit.

4/21/2015 10:58:59 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
darthcapital2
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Quote from lobo_corazon:
Unfortunately these "true Capitalists" don't seem to be in public view. Instead we have billionaires like the Koch brothers, and mega-corps like Exxon and Goldman Sachs carrying the banner of Capitalism, who clearly believe big government is just another tool for them to use in the never-ending quest for more profit.


you really need to re read history, crony capitalism like the goldman sachs, and exxon and companies like that have existed decades before the american civil war, do you think it was invented in 1990's?

Congress appropriated money to build canals, bridges railway lines etc, and those that didn't need congress was crucified by congress, do you think that JJ Hill needed federal funds to build his railway?

Did you think Vanderbilt needed government money to build his ships during the gilded age? what about those subsidies back then lobo?

Government loves capitalism when it's titled in their favour, and those that used laissez faire capitalism and refused government helped well it's funny that they were taken down by the sherman anti trust which was brought on to combat their earlier mistakes with high tariffs attempting to protect american industries which ended up giving certain industries monopoly type of structure.

What do you say about that?

4/21/2015 11:30:41 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

biggeazzy
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Capitalism looks perfectly good on paper or in theory.

But, they underestimated the human factor of GREED.




#E.pluribus.unum

4/21/2015 11:47:10 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
darthcapital2
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Quote from biggeazzy:
Capitalism looks perfectly good on paper or in theory.

But, they underestimated the human factor of GREED.




#E.pluribus.unum


Sorry biggeazzy,

I dont agree, greed exists in every system, you dont think greed doesnt exists in Socialism, communism, marxism, facsism or even anarchist system?

Many folks on the left confuse selfishness vs self interest, and they equate self interest with greed.

Individuals can be greedy but that doesn't mean capitalism is based on greed, capitalism is based on mutual exchange of self interest.

If I go to the butcher and want to by some t bone steaks, and he has it , he wants my money and I want the steak, it's in both of our interest to exchange what each other has.

Now you are going to say the stock market is full of greed and corruption and it's useless to society and I beg to differ.

If I have a 10,000 shares of Company A and I decide to sell them for 10 dollars each, that means someone on the other side wants them and is willing to meet my price, he or she gives me the money and I give them my shares , a nice exchange, where it gets dicey is if that stock goes down to lets say 5 dollars, well he or she isn't happy but he still gets some money and the other person buying gets what he wants which are the shares.

How is that greedy? now of course some will say if the guy is short selling and all that, well its the same thing there has to be a buyer and a seller consenting to the sale , unfortunately there is a winner and a loser at times.

You will say that big corporations are greedy , paying the CEO millions of dollars and the workers at the bottom get squat? well that depends on the value of the worker if he or she is at a unskilled job that anybody can do , well of course his or her wages reflect that example Walmart, it doesn't take much training to stock shelves or be a cashier or greeter.

But it does take skill or expertise to be an executive in operations or financing.

4/22/2015 12:06:43 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
funwithmusic
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RICH JEWS ON WELFARE


RICH JEWS CREATE MASSIVE VOTING BLOCS..AND HAVE TO BE WATCHED DURING ELECTIONS..AS THEY HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO VOTE MANY TIMES..KOL NIDRE.
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THESE RICH JEWS CRY POOR..BUT OWN MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF LAND..APPROX 50% OF THESE JEWS ARE ON WELFARE...and cry they cannot work..because of their religion...

THESE JEWS ARE SUCKING UP ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES MONEYS...AND HAVE CREATED LARGE VOTING BLOCKS

THESE 'KIRYAS' ARE FORMED AROUND THE NATION...SUCKING UP GOV MONEY...FRAUDULENTLY..and CREATING LARGE VOTING BLOCKS..TAKING OVER SMALL GOVERNMENTS..AND GOVERNMENT INSTITUTIONS

some have been caught for RACKETEERING AND FRAUD..and face 20-30 year prison sentences..IM GOING TO KEEP AN EYE ON THIS..AND SEE IF JEWS ever get prosecuted in the JEWDICIAL JUST-US SYSTEM..
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http://www.debrapasquella.com/2007/07/whats-truth-among-hasidic-community.html




Kiryas Joel: Corruption Hidden Under a Religious Blanket
Every father should remember that one day his son will follow his example instead of his advice.
Up in Monroe, NY in a community called Kiryas Joel, citizens usually isolate themselves from the rest of the outside communities, yet own most of everything. I have done business with them when I used to work for a telephone and internet company nearby. There seems to be many health issues among them, many on Medicare or Medicaid. I never knew why and who was I to judge? While working for the telephone company, they would get a discount if they provided me with a copy of their Medicare or Medicaid cards. No exaggeration here, but 90% of the Hasidic community that I have dealt with were all on Medicare. Why? Some say they’re the richest people around. They buy land all over. They practically own all of Monroe, NY. Are they really disabled? Or is it about money? If they have so much money, then why do they need Medicare and welfare? I’ve seen so many Medicare cards fly by my desk for approval and wondered what was wrong with all of them. Why do they have so many health problems? Or am I wrong? Are they really in need of government assistance?

Is it health or money?


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SOCIALISM WAS FORCED ON AMERICA..BY ZIONIST JEWISH PRESIDENT..ROOSEVELT...Communism and Socialism have always been OF THE JEWS..because in their religion...JEWS ARE OUR MASTERS..WE ARE THEIR SERVANT BEASTS..


THROUGH TAXATION..AND SOCIALISM..THEY HAVE LIVED OFF OF MANKIND FOR GENERATIONS.....LIKE PARASITES.

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THE GAUL OF THESE PEOPLE..AMAZING..


Kiryas Joel: Corruption Hidden Under a Religious Blanket
They never want to play fair.


Just the other day, two gentlemen from Kiryas Joel walked into the Orange County BMW with two checks for over $1,500 to put toward their purchase of a new car. It even said on top of the check, "this is not a valid check" --- but it was valid if they were to purchase a BMW. When have your ever seen a Hasidic Jew drive a German car? Needless to say, they gave the salesperson such a hard time about "false advertisement" and demanded their money right away. Managers had to fix the misunderstanding and have them put on their glasses to read the fine print. "This is not a valid check." Time wasted. They want something for nothing and they don't care about mistreating people if they don't get what they want. It is NOT anti-Semitism --- it's about playing fair with the rest of society.

Now that their corruption has been found out, I highly doubt that they're going through with this annexation, however, what's to stop them from buying up property and creeping up on the poor village of Monroe? Orange County would literally go bankrupt if they decide to move their ant farm inward.

I mean, come on --- they're listed as the most poorest community in the United States. Whenever they pull their anti-semitism card out, I wish they'd also pull out their Medicaid card as well as their true bank statement under someone else's name which has more money than we can ever hope for. I just hope Monroe doesn't sell out and say, "Eh, screw it," and make this entire town one huge Monsey.

They are not holy people nor the chosen ones. They're just corrupt. Plain and simple.

4/22/2015 12:08:25 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
funwithmusic
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BANKsTER BAILOUTS..MORE RICH JEW WELFARE
RICH JEWS ON WELFARE..MEDICATE..FOOD STAMPS.
One thing Ive noticed in reading the Jews history..they always cry POOR..POOR..and yet..they are very rich..WHAT A JEW SAYS..AND DOES..IS TWO DIFFERENT THINGS..as in Judaism..its ENCOURAGED GREATLY to lie..in order to deceive a non Jew.

KOL NIDRE.


THIS IS WHY CHRIST TOLD THE PEOPLE.."LET YOU YES BE YES..AND YOUR NO BE NO"..He knew how corrupt this Babylon Talmudism was..


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THE MOST CORRUPT RELIGION AND PEOPLE ON THE PLANET..THIS IS WHY NO ONE WANTS THEM...THEY HAVE BEEN KICKED OUT OF OVER 100 NATIONS....MOST RECENTLY..ICELAND..RUSSIA...GREECE..FRANCE
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New data: 93% in Kiryas Joel on Medicaid

http://www.recordonline.com/article/20140605/News/406050314



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The Homeland Security Program Made for Jewish Non-Profits

97% OF THE DHS MONIES GOES TO JEWISH COMMUNITIES

http://www.allgov.com/news/where-is-the-money-going/the-homeland-security-program-made-for-jewish-non-profits?news=844763

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SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?..Not in the case of Jews


RELIGIOUS JEWISH SCHOOLS FUNDED BY THE GOVERNMENT- try to do that with a Christian school..

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2013/03/scandal-plagued-haredi-controlled-school-board-sues-ny-state-over-special-ed-yeshiva-placements-567.html


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A dozen members of Hasidic communities busted for welfare fraud

http://nypost.com/2014/11/13/15-members-of-hasidic-communities-busted-for-welfare-fraud/

IT WAS REPORTED IN THIS COMMUNITY...467% OF THESE JEWS WERE ON WELFARE..AND FOOD STAMPS...AND THE MEDICAID WAS EVEN HIGHER..They claim they cant work BECAUSE OF THEIR RELIGION.

I THINK WE SHOULD ALL MAKE THAT CLAIM...then there would be no MULES LEFT TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING...GEEESHH...THE DISHONESTY OF THIS THIEVING..CHEATING LYING KOL NIDRE PEOPLE..IS FLABBERGASTING.


In this community alone..and there are many of them around the states.sucking up tax dollars for themselves..even though they own large amounts of land ..buildings..rentals..create large Jewish voting blocs...
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ITS TIME TO EXPOSE THESe FATHERLESS BASTARDS..AND TAKE AMERICA BACK


IT WAS THE HASIDIC COMMUNITY THAT HAD THE GENOCIDAL "NOAHIDE LAWS' passed in America by NEW JEW ORDER BUSH SR..in `1991



[Edited 4/22/2015 12:11:19 AM ]

4/22/2015 6:27:49 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
peterk2
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Quote from biggeazzy:
Oh... thanks for clearing that up. I see a lot of right wingers love their little pet names.

Plus, they seem to be very emotional.



so you f'ed up at the corporation you worked at, with a shot at a decent future, and now want to take it out on us here at DH.


hey, thats great. have you tried seeking professional help?

4/22/2015 7:08:02 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
peterk2
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Quote from biggeazzy:
... there are millions that desperately need help, and social welfare programs are the only thing standing between them and poverty.

That demonization seems to shift, however, when it comes to giving assistance to big business. According to The Cato Institute, corporate welfare handouts shot all the way up to $92 billion as of 2002. Most of those subsidies were secured by companies in industries like energy — which are some of the most profitable entities in the history of the world. As one writer at Forbes points out, cutting these huge subsidies would be a great way to help balance the national budget, but it is never put into action, and much less even considered.




.....Republican presidential hopeful Ted Cruz has gone so far as to publicly state his intention to abolish the IRS entirely, calling that radical course of action the "simplest and best tax reform." It's not clear how Senator Cruz intends the federal government to collect revenue to pay for his presidential salary, the White House budget and expanding his giant military budget if he should be elected and not recover his senses.



a list of companies came with this plagiarized crap, but you never bothered to read or list them here.



social welfare programs dont work. they are just vote buying machines, redistributing,

poverty is worse than ever, food stamp use zoomed under your hero. look it up, moron.



your favorite companies, paying off the dems, are screwing you. take a look, lets see silicon valley, hollywood, for example.


get rid of the irs, save us billions. help the economy. flat tax or fair tax.

4/22/2015 7:58:36 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
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4/22/2015 1:23:01 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
drwookie
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Quote from darthcapital2:
Sorry biggeazzy,

I dont agree, greed exists in every system, you dont think greed doesnt exists in Socialism, communism, marxism, facsism or even anarchist system?

Many folks on the left confuse selfishness vs self interest, and they equate self interest with greed.

Individuals can be greedy but that doesn't mean capitalism is based on greed, capitalism is based on mutual exchange of self interest.

Blah blah, blah etc...


Many people on the right wing nut, conservative, religious, fear mongering side knows they have to hide behind the 'self interest' meme to excuse their nature to be greedy!

There's no such thing as an 'anarchist (without a chief) system' Pete, but the anarchists can distribute media to morons and corral like minded egomaniacs for the SPLC to track!

4/22/2015 1:32:57 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
numbersor_only
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Enlightened self-interest has been debunked, in case you didn't get the memo.

Old economic talking points are obsolete in serious discussions of modern realities.

But hey it's a dating site so don't worry about it.

4/22/2015 2:04:28 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

lobo_corazon
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Quote from darthcapital2:
you really need to re read history,

No. You really need to live in the present.

4/22/2015 2:15:08 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

lobo_corazon
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Quote from darthcapital2:
Now you are going to say the stock market is full of greed and corruption and it's useless to society and I beg to differ.

If I have a 10,000 shares of Company A and I decide to sell them for 10 dollars each, that means someone on the other side wants them and is willing to meet my price, he or she gives me the money and I give them my shares , a nice exchange, where it gets dicey is if that stock goes down to lets say 5 dollars, well he or she isn't happy but he still gets some money and the other person buying gets what he wants which are the shares.

How is that greedy? now of course some will say if the guy is short selling and all that, well its the same thing there has to be a buyer and a seller consenting to the sale , unfortunately there is a winner and a loser at times.

What is greed? According to dictionary.reference.com:
"An excessive, extreme desire for something, often more than one's proper share."

I guess we could debate what "one's proper share" is. But it seems pretty clear that the stock market runs on the desire to get as much money as possible without having to do any productive work for it... And clearly that's greedy. Someone who already has millions/billions and is strongly motivated to get more even though they have no use for it... Clearly greedy, and the best way for them to fulfill their greed for more is the stock market.

But it does take skill or expertise to be an executive in operations or financing.

And it takes skill or expertise to run a counterfeit ring or get away with a serial killing spree, sure.

A rational society wouldn't reward skill, it would reward productive contributions. A skillful person would of course have the ability to be more productive and gain more compensation in return.

4/22/2015 4:33:23 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
mralwaysrite
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Quote from lobo_corazon:
And it takes skill or expertise to run a counterfeit ring or get away with a serial killing spree, sure.

A rational society wouldn't reward skill, it would reward productive contributions. A skillful person would of course have the ability to be more productive and gain more compensation in return.


Quote: A rational society wouldn't reward skill, it would reward productive contributions. A skillful person would of course have the ability to be more productive and gain more compensation in return.



Was Karl Marx rewarded for his productive contributions?

Was Karl Marx compensated for his thoughts and writing skills?

How much money newspapers were paying him?

Did the books he published supported his family?

4/22/2015 5:27:58 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

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4/22/2015 6:16:05 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
peterk2
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How Buffett Saves Billions On His Tax Return - Forbes
www.forbes.com/.../how-buffett-saves-billions-on-his-tax-return/
Forbes
Aug 17, 2011 - Warren Buffett brought his 2010 income tax return to his television ... that Buffett also avoids nasty alternative minimum taxes (AMT) of 28%.

4/22/2015 6:37:23 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
darthcapital2
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And it takes skill or expertise to run a counterfeit ring or get away with a serial killing spree, sure.

A rational society wouldn't reward skill, it would reward productive contributions. A skillful person would of course have the ability to be more productive and gain more compensation in return.
what are you talking about? those that have a specialized skills are productive and earns more.

You dont think an airline pilot for west jet or air Canada is skillful? and do they earn minimum or slave wages?

A rational society? show me where this rational society is?Paying someone 2 million dollars to play poker isn't rational when a teacher in new york earns on the average of $ 75K, is that rational and what is the difference of skill and production?

You still dont get it on the stock market, it's a voluntary transaction there is a buyer and a seller, if christy walton sold her shares tomorrow someone will buy it, if not guess what it's worth? zero, nada,zip and bupkis.

It's like a house in a exclusive area of Toronto called the "bridle path" the homes are worth on an average of 10 million dollars. Conrad Black (remember him) lives there, and Prince lived their in the early 2000's.

If they listed their house and no one buys it is it still worth 10 million dollars?
Same thing with Walton's stocks, if no one buys them what are they worth?

4/25/2015 7:56:36 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

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4/25/2015 8:09:06 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
zeitgeist2
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#richliberalsdontmatter

4/25/2015 8:14:49 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
hunter12gauge
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Quote from fearless8841:


Sooner or later, we'll have representation with the balls to put a stop to this kind of nonsense.

I hope Cruz, if elected, is able to do what he says he wants to do. I have yet to see a politician keep their word.


May I remind you that Cruz DID KEEP his WORD when he did the filabuster on Obamacare, and ran it for 26.5 hours straight without sitting down,and had everyone RIVETED to the edge of their seats. If anyone has the balls to do it,trust me Ted is our man.

4/26/2015 9:59:30 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

starfox22
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Quote from biggeazzy:



Democrats are always using one hand to wag their finger at wealthy people and all the while the other hand is wide open accepting any and all bribes. The only people in the whole world that buy their bullshit are other democrats.

Hillary announces in the same day that she will spend 2.5 billion dollars in this election and at the same time says that money has to get out of politics. Hypocrite anyone? See above sentence.

4/26/2015 10:02:49 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
zeitgeist2
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Quote from starfox22:
Democrats are always using one hand to wag their finger at wealthy people and all the while the other hand is wide open accepting any and all bribes. The only people in the whole world that buy their bullshit are other democrats.

Hillary announces in the same day that she will spend 2.5 billion dollars in this election and at the same time says that money has to get out of politics. Hypocrite anyone? See above sentence.


Bingo...they dont hate the rich at all.....they hate anyone who doesnt tow their line....they are quite glad to suck a rich mans c*ck....so long as the rich man is a fellow libtard.

What is the Clintons net worth now...like $190 million?

*slurp*

4/27/2015 12:10:06 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

biggeazzy
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One question.. What does giving SUPER RICH billions in tax breaks & cutting senior citizen's social security & Medicare, has to do with Hillary Clinton doners?

The meme is 100% true.

4/27/2015 1:09:12 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
hunter12gauge
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Quote from biggeazzy:


One question.. What does giving SUPER RICH billions in tax breaks & cutting senior citizen's social security & Medicare, has to do with Hillary Clinton doners?

The meme is 100% true.


Well to answer your question......... senior citizens who are robbed of their tax money have little influence in Washington, unlike the foreign governments who contribute to Hillarys' campaign. Billionaires who enjoy tax breaks CREATE jobs and STIMULATE the economy, but I don't expect low IQ n**gers to understand that.

4/27/2015 1:21:43 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

biggeazzy
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Quote from hunter12gauge:
Well to answer your question......... senior citizens who are robbed of their tax money have little influence in Washington, unlike the foreign governments who contribute to Hillarys' campaign. Billionaires who enjoy tax breaks CREATE jobs and STIMULATE the economy, but I don't expect low IQ n**gers to understand that.


What you didn't say was senior citizens are easy pry for the republican party. They are the ones robbing the poor & giving to the rich.

Let me correct you again... billionaire does stimulate the economy, the poor & middle class does.

4/27/2015 1:34:17 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
hunter12gauge
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Quote from biggeazzy:
What you didn't say was senior citizens are easy pry for the republican party. They are the ones robbing the poor & giving to the rich.

Let me correct you again... billionaire does stimulate the economy, the poor & middle class does.


so if the rich don't hire the poor or middle class then who does? The poor and middle class don't have enough descrecionary income to finance business and hiring people. YOU've been listening to Obama and Hillary again, when they said....... " You didn't build that".

4/27/2015 1:40:50 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

biggeazzy
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Quote from hunter12gauge:
so if the rich don't hire the poor or middle class then who does? The poor and middle class don't have enough descrecionary income to finance business and hiring people. YOU've been listening to Obama and Hillary again, when they said....... " You didn't build that".

Remember, there is only 1% of the super rich.

The other 99% is the ones mostly stimulating the economy.

4/27/2015 4:33:18 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
giss7
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Bigsleazy, the difference is corporations, after their hand outs still pay billions of dollars in taxes.

Besides that they create thousands of jobs.

Now compare that to you crack head welfare people. They actually live on government handouts which in 35 states are more than minimum wage, and at the end of the year, they get a tax refund on money they never paid! Gotta love selling your soul for a few dollars.

4/27/2015 11:00:03 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
fmrqb
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Quote from biggeazzy:
Remember, there is only 1% of the super rich.

The other 99% is the ones mostly stimulating the economy.
bull shit.

4/30/2015 7:20:39 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  

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4/30/2015 8:32:35 PM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
darthcapital2
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Perhaps bigeazzy, you should start questioning your elected officials? no.

5/1/2015 9:51:35 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
funwithmusic
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THE POISONOUS INJECTION....AMERICAN TRADITIONS..ARE FORBIDDEN..WELCOME TO JEWMERICA...




Quote from biggeazzy:
In the U.S., it is rather commonplace to see welfare recipients demonized, people on food stamps ostracized, and anyone on any form of public assistance is often made to feel guilty that they need help. They are called lazy and incompetent, with little regard for circumstance or economic hardship. Sure, there are some people that take advantage of the system. But there are millions that desperately need help, and social welfare programs are the only thing standing between them and poverty.

THEY ARE CALLED LAZY..BECAUSE THEY ARE...THEY MILK THE SYSTEM..AND STAY ON IT FOR LIFE...You say they cant never their entire lives..find work? WORSE..IS THE CORRUPT PARALLEL JEWISH GOV..ALLOWS THIS..After all.. WELFARE IS A JEWISH CREATION...ROOSEVELTS BABY...

That way...US JEWS can also tap into THE AMERICAN PIE..and get a piced of that FREE TAX MONEY FOR THEMSELVES as has now been reported..along with SECRET KOSHER TAXES


SOCIALISM..IS FOR JEWS...and some of the goyim get to partake..in order to provide cover..

REMEMBER..THE TALMUD CALLS US BEASTS..PUT HERE TO SERVE THE JEWS..so its not so far fetch to realize taxes..socialism..is in its roots .for Jews..


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That demonization seems to shift, however, when it comes to giving assistance to big business. According to The Cato Institute, corporate welfare handouts shot all the way up to $92 billion as of 2002. Most of those subsidies were secured by companies in industries like energy — which are some of the most profitable entities in the history of the world. As one writer at Forbes points out, cutting these huge subsidies would be a great way to help balance the national budget, but it is never put into action, and much less even considered.

JEWISH BANKSTER BAILOUTS...again...for the Jews.. Many of us lost home and jobs..and there was no money for us..ONLY FOR THE JEWISH BANKsTERS

AND THEY STOLE THE CHEVROLET COMPANY AS WELL


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More recently, subsidy tracking group Good Jobs First released a report last year detailing where exactly taxpayer dollars are being funneled, and which states are the most likely to divvy up handouts. There are some surprises in the report, but many details won’t come as much of a shock at all. New York and Washington were the top two states for handing out corporate subsidies, with New York alone topping more than $20 billion across nearly 69,000 individual handouts. The data also shows that roughly 75% of disclosed subsidy dollars have gone to 965 big companies. The total known value of subsidies across the country came out at an estimated $110 billion, although its likely more.


JEW YORK? shocking...WASHINGTON DC..THAT SEPARATE LITTLE NATION CONTROLLED BY THE INTERNATIONAL BANKSTERS? You all do realize that WASHINGTON DC..HOME OF THE WASHINGTON DC FUDGEPACKERS..is a SEPARATE NATION..WHOS constitution is called THE CORPORATION OF AMREICA constitution...seperate from ours


THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO BE MOVED OUT OF INTERNATIONAL JEWISH BANKSTER TERRITORY...

CORPORATIONS..OWNED BY JEWS............


THIS WAS A ROBBERY..A FELONY...


IS WASHINGTON DC..A PART OF THE UNITED STATES? NO! Do you want to learn how this even happened?

THEN READ THE FOLLOWING ...................


HOW THE CORPORATIONS USURPED THE CONSTITUTION @patriot action..


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And of course, millionaires and billionaires often pay less in taxes than middle-class Americans do, taking full advantage of tax loopholes, deductions, deferrals and other forms of creative accounting. The Republican-controlled House of Representatives now intends to pass legislation to repeal the estate tax, which would see that "vast amounts of money that has never been taxed will be passed tax-free to the heirs of today's billionaires," according to Scott Klinger of the Center for Effective Government.

THIS IS A GOOD IDEA..for MA AND PA AMERICA...SELF MADE MILLIONAIRES..
REPEAL THE INHERITANCE TAX LAWS....THE BILLIONAIRE ELITES DONT PAY THEM ANYWAY.


THIS IS HOW THEY PRESENT THINGS IN MEDIA..TO DECEIVE...THIS LAW WOULD PROTECT THE SELF MADE MILLIONAIRE..

THE BILLIONAIRE ELITES PAY NO TAXES AT ALL...but they will use their control over all media..to make you think that MA AND PA AMERICA IS NOT PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE....


SEE HOW DISHONEST THE JEWISH CONTROLLED MEDIA IS...HOW THEY BRAINWASH YOU.

LAW..OR NO LAW..THE BILLIONAIRE ELITES..WILL NEVER PAY ONE DOLLAR OF TAXES...EVER...DONT BE A DUPE..

THIS LAW IS A WAY TO FURTHER IMPOVERISH AMERICANS..AND REDISTRIBUTE THEIR WEALTH INTO THE JEWISH CONTROLLED IRS TAX SYSTEM (IRS collecting SECRET JEWISH KOSHER TAXES ..exposed the IRS as another Jewish controlled Organization designed to REDISTRIBUTE AMERICAN WEALTH..TO THEM...dont be an idiot.

WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE TRYING TO FOOL...GEESSHH


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The end result is that, through a myriad of tax avoidance schemes, the wealthy 1 percent continue to profit using public resources, subsidies and infrastructure while the 99 percent disproportionately pay the bills for it -- all while struggling to pay their own bills, mortgages, student loans, and more. And when Wall Street runs amok, it's the taxpayers who have paid the bills for the catastrophic damage as a result of regulatory surrender. Millions of these taxpayers also lost their jobs and pensions in the 2008-2009 Wall Street collapse of our economy.

BILLIONAIRE INTERNATIONAL ELITES..DO NOT PAY TAXES..AND NEVER WILL..THIS BILL IS DESIGNED TO REDISTRIBUTE WHAT WEALTH AMERICANS HAVE LEFT..INTO THE POCKETS OF THE INTERNATIONALIST GLOBAL ELITE GOV..

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CONTINUED

5/1/2015 9:56:24 AM @Corporate Welfare For The Rich; No Outrage?  
funwithmusic
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CONTINUED

Republican presidential hopeful Ted Cruz has gone so far as to publicly state his intention to abolish the IRS entirely, calling that radical course of action the "simplest and best tax reform." It's not clear how Senator Cruz intends the federal government to collect revenue to pay for his presidential salary, the White House budget and expanding his giant military budget if he should be elected and not recover his senses.

YEA TED CRUZ...ABOLISH THAT LOTTING AGENCY..ITS UNAMERICAN..UN CONSTITUTIONAL..



NOT ONE CENT OF YOUR INCOME TAXES GOES TO RUN THE GOVERNMENT....IT GOES TO THE INTERNATIONAL BANKSTERS for a debt we do not owe..a debt THEY CREATED through their many wars.. ..and FORCE US TO PAY FOR....


WE DONT NEED 140+ MILITARY BASES ALL AROUND THE WORLD...This is ridiculous..and abusive to other nations.


WE DONT NEED ALL THESE WAR WEAPONS...WERE THE ONLY NATION..BUILDING THIS KIND OF CRAP..and yet..they whine about ONE LITTLE NUKE IN IRAN..when the ISRAEHELLIS HAVE HUNDREDS OF THEM..AND HAVE THREATENED ALL THEIR NEIGHBORS THAT THEY WILL USE THEM..


FREE AMERICA FROM THE ZIONIST GRIP THROUGH THE JEWISH "IRS" that also collects SECRET KOSHER TAXES" AS WELL AS ALL THOSE OTHER TAXES THEY COLLECT..

WE DONT NEED NO STEENKING JEW TAX COLLECTION NGO'S.....NGO'S ARE UNCONSTITUTIONAL IN THE REAL AMERICA..

THEY ONLY EXIST IN THE JEWS AMERICA WE HAVE TODAY..






AMERICA IS DYING FROM THIS POISONOUS INJECTION..AS JEWS DEEM ALL NON JEWS AS BEASTS..PUT HERE TO SERVE THEM...American traditions have been OUTLAWED..and Jewish traditions forced upon the people of this nation...MOST HAVE NO CLUE ITS EVEN HAPPENED.

.THIS IS WHAT ZIONIST JEW ROOSEVELTS SOCIALISM...AND 'IRS' TAXES ARE DESIGNED TO DO...ROB US..AND GIVE OUR MONEY TO THEM..THUS 'REDISTRIBUTION OF OUR WEALTH" TO THE JEWS...as long as the people dont realize what is happening to them

WITH ALL MEDIA CONTROLLED BY JEWS...ITS HARD FOR MANY TO SEE THE TRUTH..THE ONLY TRUTH THEY SEE..ARE THE JEWISH LIES ON TALMUDVISION.


WERE ARMED..WE WILL PREVAIL AGAINST THIS JEWISH INVASION OF OUR COUNTRY..


I have the right to defend my life...in my own country..Jews have always genocide the people of the nations they INFEST LIKE A SWARM OF LIFE AND WEALTH ROBBING LOCUSTS..The laws of my land have been changed to work against us..and only for Jews..

SUCH AS NOAHIDE LAWS.....which in time will be used to BEHEAD CHRISTIANS...AND BODY PARTS SOLD ON THE ORGAN TRAFFICKING MARKET..A KIDNEY IS WORTH $40,000 DOLLARS TODAY...HAVE YOU noticed how many people today..have KIDNEY CANCER?

WHAT SHAM ARTISTS..THESE KOL NIDRE RELIGIONISTS ARE..