Franklinville, NJ

8/26/2015 8:01:48 PM
1truuprince Franklinville, NJ 33, joined Apr. 2012	Yea sure idiot Quote from Yasureoktoo: Not so, I am more than 5o% Sioux, Arapaho, and Mandan, raised in white Chicago. Quote from Yasureoktoo: LOLOL And please I am less than 40 percent white, so I really do not qualify as a white man, but I do qualify for a native check every month, which has been donated to United tribes for over 40 years. Quote from Yasureoktoo: Quote from LOLOL You haven't answered anything. Sioux nation, made up of three main groups with a half dozen or so others, I cannot claim Mandan or Araphoe, but have enough Sioux, (Lakota} to get a check each month. However for over 45 years it has been donated to united tribes, east of Bismark. My kids don't qualify. Quote from Yasureoktoo: My father was 100% Sioux, My mother araphoe, Mandan and Swedish. you gave a check for over 40 years and today you wrote over 45 years :laughin: You are very good at lying [Edited 8/26/2015 8:04:13 PM ] Meet singles at DateHookup.dating, we're 100% free! Join now!
8/26/2015 8:06:14 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	Oh gee Hell you don't even remember that far back. You're a f**king idiot.
8/26/2015 8:08:55 PM	Franklinville, NJ
1truuprince Franklinville, NJ 33, joined Apr. 2012	Bullshit you lying bastard
8/26/2015 8:11:42 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	Awwwww what's the matter little black boy. Don't worry, welfare checks come in a week or so.
8/26/2015 8:13:35 PM	Franklinville, NJ
1truuprince Franklinville, NJ 33, joined Apr. 2012	None of that is working I enjoy laughing at you idiot
8/26/2015 8:21:31 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	LOLOL OK, My ancestors came here on a slave ship, just like yours did, hell, they probably knew each other. Of course, my ancestor was 1st mate.
8/26/2015 8:24:44 PM	Franklinville, NJ
1truuprince Franklinville, NJ 33, joined Apr. 2012	Somebody gone nut^^^
8/26/2015 8:26:40 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	Calm down, you get a check on the 1st.
8/26/2015 8:31:28 PM	Franklinville, NJ
1truuprince Franklinville, NJ 33, joined Apr. 2012	You mean you do and claim you donate your check So tell me more about your ancestors in the slave ship.....
8/28/2015 8:01:45 AM	Franklinville, NJ
1truuprince Franklinville, NJ 33, joined Apr. 2012	....... This is getting good...
8/28/2015 9:05:06 PM	Franklinville, NJ
cowboyshoots77 Abilene, TX 38, joined May. 2013	Quote from 1truuprince: What handsout? You saying my tribes getting their lands back begging white people handouts? Tell me more cowshit Yup because it's ours you f**king indian
8/28/2015 9:18:53 PM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013
8/28/2015 9:20:07 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	So bigsleazy, how long were you a slave.
8/28/2015 9:22:08 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	Add up your welfare checks bigsleazy, you already got more than any of the jews got.
8/28/2015 9:48:02 PM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013	Slow down, yasure. Only conservatives believes their assumptions are facts. I'm a proud liberal, I don't have that problem.
8/28/2015 10:02:41 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	You seem to be advertising quite a few problems.
8/28/2015 10:12:32 PM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013	You seem to keep putting your foot in your mouth every time you post.
8/28/2015 10:14:48 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	You're not even familiar with the application of that phrase. Possible 'chatting' detected. You have already posted in this thread recently. Please wait for some other people to reply before posting in this thread again, or wait like an hour or so, whichever comes first. Sorry for the inconvenience.
8/28/2015 10:17:30 PM	Franklinville, NJ
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8/28/2015 10:20:42 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	So how long were you a slave bigsleazy. I fully agree you should be paid more for each year.
8/28/2015 10:24:14 PM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013	I may have to check again, but, I personally didn't see my name. Does that answer your question?
8/28/2015 10:34:39 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	What you are doing is proving my statement again Help me on this. 3% of whites owned slaves, 28% of free blacks owned slaves. Were your ancestors owned by whites or blacks. Also the northern whites fought and were killed freeing the slaves. Don't you think you owe them reperations. I need your calculations of who pays, how much, to who.
8/28/2015 10:36:38 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	And BTW, the northerners destroyed the government of the slave south, you cannot expect the northerners to pay, You need money from the south, who do you go after.
8/28/2015 10:38:34 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	Another monkey wrench is a house slave in a wealthy family lives far better than the average white. should his ancestors pay, or receive.
8/28/2015 10:41:31 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	As I said earlier You seem to be advertising quite a few problems. I am waiting for what I know will be a one-line stupid, off topic comment. Or a silly a** picture. Or a sillier post of another topic altogether. Anything but address the question.
8/28/2015 10:45:28 PM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013	Quote from Yasureoktoo: What you are doing is proving my statement again Help me on this. 3% of whites owned slaves, 28% of free blacks owned slaves. Were your ancestors owned by whites or blacks. Also the northern whites fought and were killed freeing the slaves. Don't you think you owe them reperations. I need your calculations of who pays, how much, to who. Lol I learned along time ago not to trust any numbers you so kindly like to volunteer. But since you're a numbers guy, tell me how may Blacks owned slave ships to bring slaves to America?
8/28/2015 10:47:09 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	You just proved what I just said. Now please concentrate on the questions at hand, before we delve into another.
8/28/2015 10:50:21 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	What you are proving, over and over, is you have no debating skills, you have no concept even how one is conducted, and when beaten, or forced to answer questions you know go completely against your silly a** assumptions, you change the subject.
8/28/2015 10:51:06 PM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013	Quote from Yasureoktoo: So how long were you a slave bigsleazy. I fully agree you should be paid more for each year. I'm glad you made that clear. I am a descendant of a slave.. therefore, I'm an heir to his brutal legacy. Does that help you out any, yasure? OR, do you wish to be continually in denial?
8/28/2015 10:54:58 PM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013	Quote from Yasureoktoo: What you are proving, over and over, is you have no debating skills, you have no concept even how one is conducted, and when beaten, or forced to answer questions you know go completely against your silly a** assumptions, you change the subject. First of all, you don't run nothing in this discussion. Don't sit there and pretend like you are the only one that can ask a question. Since you pride yourself on numbers, I asked you a specific question. What are you going to do?
8/28/2015 10:58:41 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	I am sorry but you were just asked 6 or 7 questions and you lost, on every one of them. You are not in a position to ask anything. And as predicted, you made excuses for it.
8/28/2015 11:04:19 PM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013	@YASURE... You're very predictable. You throw tantrums when you can't control the outcome you wanted. 6 or 7 questions? Really? So.. instead of a debate, you rather have a 21 question salute? Make that thread OR stop whining.
8/28/2015 11:15:46 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	LOL I don't see a tantrum, you have quite an imagination. You want to discuss or debate something, it has to have some kind of order about it. You are supposed to know that. ask a question, get an answer, the other person asks a question, one at a time and the situations are resolved. You cannot run from questions you don't like without forfeiting the debate. And you cannot make up excuses why you don't want to answer. You need to grow up.
8/28/2015 11:27:25 PM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013	@Yasure... why do you believe someone is "running" from your questions? I see you say that a lot in this form to different posters. You seem to be under the impression that your question are to hard for people to answer. Your little baby questions are not hard, your ability to accept the answer given, is a boozy though. LOL Let's do this again... I'm going to be a gentleman and let you ask the first question FIRST. After I answer it, I have a question for you. We're going to continue with that sequence. Let's Go!
8/28/2015 11:32:30 PM	Franklinville, NJ
jester0011 Lake Waccamaw, NC 47, joined Jun. 2014	the op isnt an indian.
8/28/2015 11:45:47 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	Quote from biggeazzy: @Yasure... why do you believe someone is "running" from your questions? I see you say that a lot in this form to different posters. You seem to be under the impression that your question are to hard for people to answer. Your little baby questions are not hard, your ability to accept the answer given, is a boozy though. LOL Let's do this again... I'm going to be a gentleman and let you ask the first question FIRST. After I answer it, I have a question for you. We're going to continue with that sequence. Let's Go! OK lets do this civilized, you made a post implying whites owed something to blacks in reparations. I countered with Help me on this. 3% of whites owned slaves, 28% of free blacks owned slaves. Were your ancestors owned by whites or blacks. Also the northern whites fought and were killed freeing the slaves. Don't you think you owe them reparations. I need your calculations of who pays, how much, to who.
8/28/2015 11:48:29 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	And something to add into your assessment is the northerners destroyed the government of the slave south, you cannot expect the northerners to pay, You need money from the south, who do you go after.
8/28/2015 11:56:23 PM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	another factor is the person who is half white and half black. Does one side equalize the other.
8/29/2015 12:10:11 AM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013	Quote from Yasureoktoo: OK lets do this civilized, you made a post implying whites owed something to blacks in reparations. I countered with Help me on this. 3% of whites owned slaves, 28% of free blacks owned slaves. Were your ancestors owned by whites or blacks. My ancestors were brought over here & owned by whites. Also the northern whites fought and were killed freeing the slaves. Don't you think you owe them reparations. We were still the USA so, it's a federal government who are responsible & allowed slavery to continue for so long. I need your calculations of who pays, how much, to who. I think the Holocaust reparations scale is a good tool to use.
8/29/2015 12:19:12 AM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	The problems here are many. Can you prove who your slave owners were. The confederate states was an entirely different government, and destroyed by the north. Also the entire southern economy was destroyed with it.
8/29/2015 12:22:26 AM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	And holocaust reparations applies to living people,
8/29/2015 12:38:39 AM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013	How many blacks owned slave ships? Tell me how many slaves were in the United States at the height of the 1860's.
8/29/2015 12:44:38 AM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013	Quote from Yasureoktoo: The problems here are many. Can you prove who your slave owners were. The confederate states was an entirely different government, and destroyed by the north. Also the entire southern economy was destroyed with it. Watch what you say, yasure, your white supremacy is showing. Are you an advocate for slave labor?
8/29/2015 12:46:52 AM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	If I recall most of the slave trade was Portuguse and Dutch, so they would be the owners of the ships. and there were about 4 million slaves, almost all in the south.
8/29/2015 12:48:12 AM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	Quote from biggeazzy: Watch what you say, yasure, your white supremacy is showing. Are you an advocate for slave labor? So your answer is no, you cannot prove who your owners were, but are trying to deflect. Hard to claim anything if you cannot prove it.
8/29/2015 1:05:28 AM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013	Quote from Yasureoktoo: So your answer is no, you cannot prove who your owners were, but are trying to deflect. Hard to claim anything if you cannot prove it. No, you didn't follow the rules, it was my turn to ask the question. Try to keep up. And it was closer to 10million slaves... your numbers are always off. Now, to answer your second line of question, I'm sure I could trace my ancestors back that far if I tried.
8/29/2015 1:07:13 AM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	fail again, you seem to be good at that. The United States Census of 1860 was the eighth Census conducted in the United States starting June 1, 1860 and lasting five months. It determined the population of the United States to be 31,443,321, an increase of 35.4 percent over the 23,191,875 persons enumerated during the 1850 Census. The total population included 3,953,761 slaves, representing 12.6% of the total population.
8/29/2015 1:09:07 AM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	Quote from biggeazzy: Now, to answer your second line of question, I'm sure I could trace my ancestors back that far if I tried. You do realize if you expected any kind of money, that isn't happening anyway, you would need to trace them down. Suppose your owners were black, wouldn't that change your claims.
8/29/2015 1:14:10 AM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	You also realize the Irish have to be compensated, their numbers outnumbering blacks for a long time. Irish Slave Facts The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat (70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves at this time). From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and over 300,000 were sold as slaves. Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were forcibly taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. Another 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia while 30,000 Irish men were sold to the highest bidder. In 1656, Oliver Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers. African slaves were very expensive (50 Sterling), had to be transported long distances and paid for not only in Africa but in the New World. Irish slaves were cheap (no more than 5 Sterling) and most often were either kidnapped from Ireland, prisoners or forcibly removed. They could be worked to death, whipped or branded without it being a crime. Many, many times they were beat to death and while the death of an Irish slave was a monetary setback, it was far cheaper than the death of an expensive African. Therefore, African slaves were treated much better in Colonial America. The importation of Irish slaves continued well into the eighteenth century, long after the importation of African slaves became the norm. Records state that after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. Irish slavery didn’t end until Britain decided to end slavery in 1839 and stopped transporting slaves.
8/29/2015 1:14:43 AM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013	The Angolan region of west-central Africa made up slightly more than half of all Africans sent to the Americas and a quarter of imports to British North America. Approximately 11,863,000 Africans were shipped across the Atlantic, with a death rate during the Middle Passage reducing this number by 10-20 percent. As a result between 9.6 and 10.8 million Africans arrived in the Americas.
8/29/2015 1:20:33 AM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	Quote from biggeazzy: The Angolan region of west-central Africa made up slightly more than half of all Africans sent to the Americas and a quarter of imports to British North America. Approximately 11,863,000 Africans were shipped across the Atlantic, with a death rate during the Middle Passage reducing this number by 10-20 percent. As a result between 9.6 and 10.8 million Africans arrived in the Americas. A few problems here, you have no source for this other than a book written without verification. I used the US census reports. Also to put it into it's proper perspective, only 5% of African slaves came to America, and these were by far the lucky ones. even luckier were their ancestors.
8/29/2015 1:23:13 AM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	I just noticed a hidden misleading figure in your comment. Shipped to the Americas, that also means S.America. Spanish, Portuguese and Dutch. Only 5 million were here.
8/29/2015 1:28:21 AM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013	Some proposals have called for direct payments from the U.S. government. One such proposal delivered in the McCormick Convention Center conference room for the first National Reparations Convention by Howshua Amariel, a Chicago social activist, would require the federal government to make reparations to proven descendants of slaves. In addition, Amariel stated "For those blacks who wish to remain in America, they should receive reparations in the form of free education, free medical, free legal and free financial aid for 50 years with no taxes levied," and "For those desiring to leave America, every black person would receive a million dollars or more, backed by gold, in reparation." At the convention Amariel's proposal received approval from the 100 or so participants, nevertheless the question of who would receive such payments, who should pay them and in what amount, has remained highly controversial, since the United States Census does not track descent from slaves or slave owners and relies on self-reported racial categories. Various estimates have been given if such payments were to be made. Harper's Magazine has created an estimate that the total of reparations due is over 100 trillion dollars, based on 222,505,049 hours of forced labor between 1619 and 1865, with a compounded interest of 6%. Should all or part of this amount be paid to the descendants of slaves in the United States, the current U.S. government would only pay a fraction of that cost, over 40 trillion dollars, since it has been in existence only since 1789. The Rev. M.J. Divine, better known as Father Divine, was one of the earliest leaders to argue clearly for "retroactive compensation" and the message was spread via International Peace Mission publications. On July 28, 1951, Father Divine issued a "peace stamp" bearing the text: "Peace! All nations and peoples who have suppressed and oppressed the under-privileged, they will be obliged to pay the African slaves and their descendants for all uncompensated servitude and for all unjust compensation, whereby they have been unjustly deprived of compensation on the account of previous condition of servitude and the present condition of servitude. This is to be accomplished in the defense of all other under-privileged subjects and must be paid retroactive up-to-date". On July 30, 2008, the United States House of Representatives passed a resolution apologizing for American slavery and subsequent discriminatory laws. Some states have also apologized for slavery, including Maryland, Virginia and North Carolina. Duke University public policy professor William "Sandy" Darity said such apologies are a first step, but compensation is also necessary. In April 2010, Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates in a New York Times editorial advised reparations activists to consider the African role in the slave trade in regards to who should shoulder the cost of reparations.
8/29/2015 1:30:04 AM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	This means nothing, It is a proposal by interests that cannot regulate or prove anything.
8/29/2015 1:32:36 AM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013	On the contrary, it means everything. This is a "live" issue.
8/29/2015 1:39:12 AM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	Well I don't read it that way, all we have is acknowledging slavery, and saying I'm sorry. It means nothing to any kind of reparations because there are too many variables to count, to be able to place a price tag on it. When did you come here Who were your owners. Were you one of the slaves already compensated upon freedom. The problem is that there are no living people who were slaves in America. Also it leaves the door open if we classify the "black race" in one bundle, because now the black race may have to account for the destruction of the cities. Also I did not see an apology to the Irish in that, you know that factor would come up if it got any further.
8/29/2015 1:41:56 AM	Franklinville, NJ
inknpink Castle Rock, CO 30, joined Feb. 2015	Yeah we're not paying money to people that were never slaves to begin with. You're not kunta kente, get over it.
8/29/2015 1:44:44 AM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	What percentage black When were you freed, the north has a lot of years on the south. A black freed in the 1700's with money, should not have the same claim as one freed in 1860. broke. The variables are too many to count, and I am sure I could think of more, but we know the legal teams will come up with a bunch.
8/29/2015 1:47:00 AM	Franklinville, NJ
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 60, joined Dec. 2014	If we pay a flat rate, do we deduct all the welfare collected over the years. Some blacks may owe money. Also compensation for the northern soldiers who were killed.
8/29/2015 1:49:14 AM	Franklinville, NJ
biggeazzy Tupelo, MS 34, joined Aug. 2013	Reparations in some form or fashion is coming regardless of who's for it OR against it. I'm not looking for it this year, next year, or the year after... but it's coming... there's a lot of wrongs that has to be righted. As you probably heard me express before, this country was built off the backs of hard working black people... and the white man has accumulated a lot of wealth from the sweat of our ancestors.

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