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12/7/2015 2:31:36 PM Sometimes The Simplest Things Are Hardest To Accept  

olderthandirt20
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Quote from walt
No. The fossils that decorate our family tree are so scarce that there are still more scientists than specimens. The remarkable fact is that all the physical evidence we have for human evolution can still be placed with room to spare inside a single coffin.


A single coffin the size of Noahs arc?
I love how you can insist someone consider your evidence without you ever doing the same for them.

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12/7/2015 2:32:14 PM Sometimes The Simplest Things Are Hardest To Accept  
Yasureoktoo
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Yes FOGenigma... You are the simplest of things, but we accept you.

12/7/2015 5:45:15 PM Sometimes The Simplest Things Are Hardest To Accept  
clarence2
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
The fossils that decorate our family tree are so scarce that there are still more scientists than specimens. The remarkable fact is that all the physical evidence we have for human evolution can still be placed with room to spare inside a single coffin.

The coffin claim isn't true, but even if it was, human fossils aren't the only evidence for evolution. Massive numbers of fossils of non-human animals and plants also confirm that life on Earth has evolved and changed over time. Fossilization is rare. We're lucky to have any fossils at all. And the bulk of evidence for evolution comes from living organisms and from genetic evidence. There's no doubt whatsoever that life on Earth has evolved and is evolving.

12/7/2015 6:07:35 PM Sometimes The Simplest Things Are Hardest To Accept  

ludlowlowell
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There is no doubt that the earth has evolved and is evolving. There is no doubt that the species have changed over time. What has not been proved, what there is zero evidence for, is the hypothesis that large mammal species evolve so much that the new animal cannot interbreed with the parent stock. What has not been proved, what there is zero evidence for, is that man evolved from some other species.

This is where the evolution hypothesizers are dishonest---they say that because change has taken place, because species do change over time, that one species MUST be evolving into other species.

A friend of mine in college believed in the hypothesis that man evolved from another species or other species. He was fond of saying, "all evolution is, is genetic change over time."

"Oh no you don't," I stopped him one day when he pulled that on me. "Of course species change over time. People are taller than they were 1000 years ago, for instance. But just because species, including homo sapiens, change over time does not mean one large mammal species has ever evolved into another species."

Although he continued to believe that humans evolved from some other species, he did grant my point there, and he did admit that evolution of one large mammal species into another has never been proven.

12/7/2015 6:13:09 PM Sometimes The Simplest Things Are Hardest To Accept  

aphrodisianus
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
Although he continued to believe that humans evolved from some other species, he did grant my point there, and he did admit that evolution of one large mammal species into another has never been proven.


You have a good friend who was being kind after realizing you're batshit psychologically not well and intellectually lacking to understand science.

12/7/2015 6:22:38 PM Sometimes The Simplest Things Are Hardest To Accept  

aphrodisianus
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For you poorly educated individuals. The one's who say "it's only a theory" are too stupid to know what a scientific theory is. A scientific theory explains facts.



[Edited 12/7/2015 6:22:54 PM ]

12/7/2015 7:01:48 PM Sometimes The Simplest Things Are Hardest To Accept  

blake6972
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Quote from aphrodisianus:
For you poorly educated individuals. The one's who say "it's only a theory" are too stupid to know what a scientific theory is. A scientific theory explains facts.


No dumbass.

It is still a "theory" when used in that tense.

Yes you are right that in the scientific "world" it is used to "supposedly " define "facts".

We have two words with two definitions.

For a reason.

If their theory" was "fact", then it wouldn't be a theory.

So there would be NO REASON to interchange two words that contradict one another.

Science is a god to many individuals.

Even those who don't believe in Him, which science proves factually not theoretically.

Oh the irony...

12/7/2015 8:08:54 PM Sometimes The Simplest Things Are Hardest To Accept  

walt_oftheearth
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:

"The fossils that decorate our family tree are so scarce that there are still more scientists than specimens. The remarkable fact is that all the physical evidence we have for human evolution can still be placed with room to spare inside a single coffin." ~ Lyall Watson, The Water People, Science Digest, Vol 90

Quote from clarence2:
The coffin claim isn't true, but even if it was, human fossils aren't the only evidence for evolution. Massive numbers of fossils of non-human animals and plants also confirm that life on Earth has evolved and changed over time.


Changed, over time?

What about Darwin's insistence that the transitional fossils must one day be found, or else his theory would collapse? You well know that Darwin stated and insisted on that.

So, have we found the transitional fossils, or not? If the transitional fossils have been discovered, where are the fossils showing, for instance, dinosaurs evolving into birds? Or primeval goo into a four footed mammal, over time?

12/11/2015 7:34:43 AM Sometimes The Simplest Things Are Hardest To Accept  

nonstandard
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Quote from clarence2:
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
The fossils that decorate our family tree are so scarce that there are still more scientists than specimens. The remarkable fact is that all the physical evidence we have for human evolution can still be placed with room to spare inside a single coffin.

The coffin claim isn't true, but even if it was, human fossils aren't the only evidence for evolution. Massive numbers of fossils of non-human animals and plants also confirm that life on Earth has evolved and changed over time. Fossilization is rare. We're lucky to have any fossils at all. And the bulk of evidence for evolution comes from living organisms and from genetic evidence. There's no doubt whatsoever that life on Earth has evolved and is evolving.


If we're not careful , all plants , insects , and animals will surpass us . The irony is , they don't have to be very intelligent , to do it .

12/11/2015 7:49:26 AM Sometimes The Simplest Things Are Hardest To Accept  

nonstandard
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All forms of life are doing their own thing . While humans rage war , against what a human should be . Pretty pathetic , if you ask me .

12/11/2015 1:04:54 PM Sometimes The Simplest Things Are Hardest To Accept  

walt_oftheearth
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Quote from walt_oftheearth:

"The fossils that decorate our family tree are so scarce that there are still more scientists than specimens. The remarkable fact is that all the physical evidence we have for human evolution can still be placed with room to spare inside a single coffin." ~ Lyall Watson, The Water People, Science Digest, Vol 90

Quote from clarence2:
The coffin claim isn't true, but even if it was, human fossils aren't the only evidence for evolution. Massive numbers of fossils of non-human animals and plants also confirm that life on Earth has evolved and changed over time.


Changed, over time?

What about Darwin's insistence that the transitional fossils must one day be found, or else his theory would collapse? You well know that Darwin stated and insisted on that.

So, have we found the transitional fossils, or not? If the transitional fossils have been discovered, where are the fossils showing, for instance, dinosaurs evolving into birds? Or primeval goo into a four footed mammal, over time?


Clarence may be on holiday. Not sure if I've seen a post of his since 12/7.

Hopefully, he'll get back with us with his best answer to this question.

12/11/2015 1:26:23 PM Sometimes The Simplest Things Are Hardest To Accept  

walt_oftheearth
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Quote from aphrodisianus:

"For you poorly educated individuals. The one's who say "it's only a theory" are too stupid to know what a scientific theory is. A scientific theory explains facts."

Quote from blake6972:


It is still a "theory" when used in that tense.

Yes you are right that in the scientific "world" it is used to "supposedly " define "facts".

We have two words with two definitions.

For a reason.

If their theory" was "fact", then it wouldn't be a theory.

So there would be NO REASON to interchange two words that contradict one another.

Science is a god to many individuals.

Even those who don't believe in Him, which science proves factually not theoretically.

Oh the irony...


Irony, indeed! A scientific theory does NOT explain facts. Otherwise it would not be called a theory. A theory is an idea, and only suggests what may be a fact.

Here. Here is the definition of "theory" from Merriam-Webster Dictionary: noun the·o·ry ......

"An idea, or set of ideas, that is intended to explain facts or events

"An idea that is suggested or presented as possibly true, but that is not known or proven to be true" (emphasis, mine)

Now, who appears stupid or poorly educated? Of course that, from appearance, is only my theory. Aphrodisianus may in fact be very intelligent & well educated, but for some reason only he/ she knows, is prone to & enjoys spewing falsehoods.

12/11/2015 2:27:47 PM Sometimes The Simplest Things Are Hardest To Accept  

sail_dancer
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Irony, indeed! A scientific theory does NOT explain facts. Otherwise it would not be called a theory. A theory is an idea, and only suggests what may be a fact.

Here. Here is the definition of "theory" from Merriam-Webster Dictionary: noun the·o·ry ......

"An idea, or set of ideas, that is intended to explain facts or events

"An idea that is suggested or presented as possibly true, but that is not known or proven to be true" (emphasis, mine)

Now, who appears stupid or poorly educated? Of course that, from appearance, is only my theory. Aphrodisianus may in fact be very intelligent & well educated, but for some reason only he/ she knows, is prone to & enjoys spewing falsehoods.


Walt, you and Blake are ignorant when it comes to the terms science uses to indicate development.

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that is acquired through the scientific method and repeatedly tested and confirmed through observation and experimentation.

This may help you to understand the scientific definition of theory:

Is Evolution a Theory or a Fact?

It is both. But that answer requires looking more deeply at the meanings of the words "theory" and "fact."

In everyday usage, "theory" often refers to a hunch or a speculation. When people say, "I have a theory about why that happened," they are often drawing a conclusion based on fragmentary or inconclusive evidence.

The formal scientific definition of theory is quite different from the everyday meaning of the word. It refers to a comprehensive explanation of some aspect of nature that is supported by a vast body of evidence.

Many scientific theories are so well-established that no new evidence is likely to alter them substantially. For example, no new evidence will demonstrate that the Earth does not orbit around the sun (heliocentric theory), or that living things are not made of cells (cell theory), that matter is not composed of atoms, or that the surface of the Earth is not divided into solid plates that have moved over geological timescales (the theory of plate tectonics). Like these other foundational scientific theories, the theory of evolution is supported by so many observations and confirming experiments that scientists are confident that the basic components of the theory will not be overturned by new evidence. However, like all scientific theories, the theory of evolution is subject to continuing refinement as new areas of science emerge or as new technologies enable observations and experiments that were not possible previously.

One of the most useful properties of scientific theories is that they can be used to make predictions about natural events or phenomena that have not yet been observed. For example, the theory of gravitation predicted the behavior of objects on the moon and other planets long before the activities of spacecraft and astronauts confirmed them. The evolutionary biologists who discovered Tiktaalik predicted that they would find fossils intermediate between fish and limbed terrestrial animals in sediments that were about 375 million years old. Their discovery confirmed the prediction made on the basis of evolutionary theory. In turn, confirmation of a prediction increases confidence in that theory.

In science, a "fact" typically refers to an observation, measurement, or other form of evidence that can be expected to occur the same way under similar circumstances. However, scientists also use the term "fact" to refer to a scientific explanation that has been tested and confirmed so many times that there is no longer a compelling reason to keep testing it or looking for additional examples. In that respect, the past and continuing occurrence of evolution is a scientific fact. Because the evidence supporting it is so strong, scientists no longer question whether biological evolution has occurred and is continuing to occur. Instead, they investigate the mechanisms of evolution, how rapidly evolution can take place, and related questions.


Peace

12/11/2015 2:55:09 PM Sometimes The Simplest Things Are Hardest To Accept  

walt_oftheearth
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Quote from sail_dancer:
Is Evolution a Theory or a Fact?
It is both.


Not according to Darwin

He stated that his theory depended on not yet discovered transitional life forms, through natural selection. Transitional life forms between the creatures he theorized evolved into each other.

Can you tell me, for instance, what are the various transitional life forms that bridged between a dinosaur and a bird?

For scientists have stated that dinosaurs evolved into birds

12/11/2015 3:07:37 PM Sometimes The Simplest Things Are Hardest To Accept  

olderthandirt20
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I know you will not accept this because it goes against your beliefs but here is one of many.

12/11/2015 3:28:05 PM Sometimes The Simplest Things Are Hardest To Accept  

sail_dancer
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Quote from walt_oftheearth:
Can you tell me, for instance, what are the various transitional life forms that bridged between a dinosaur and a bird?

For scientists have stated that dinosaurs evolved into birds


You have to realize that we have compiled a large amount of data and our knowledge has grown since Darwin's time.

Here is an excerpt from an article from Quanta Magazine on the subject:

Evolution

How Dinosaurs Shrank and Became Birds


Modern birds appeared to emerge in a snap of evolutionary time. But new research illuminates the long series of evolutionary changes that made the transformation possible.


odern birds descended from a group of two-legged dinosaurs known as theropods, whose members include the towering Tyrannosaurus rex and the smaller velociraptors. The theropods most closely related to avians generally weighed between 100 and 500 pounds — giants compared to most modern birds — and they had large snouts, big teeth, and not much between the ears. A velociraptor, for example, had a skull like a coyote’s and a brain roughly the size of a pigeon’s.

For decades, paleontologists’ only fossil link between birds and dinosaurs was archaeopteryx, a hybrid creature with feathered wings but with the teeth and long bony tail of a dinosaur. These animals appeared to have acquired their birdlike features — feathers, wings and flight — in just 10 million years, a mere flash in evolutionary time. “Archaeopteryx seemed to emerge fully fledged with the characteristics of modern birds,” said Michael Benton, a paleontologist at the University of Bristol in England.

To explain this miraculous metamorphosis, scientists evoked a theory often referred to as “hopeful monsters.” According to this idea, major evolutionary leaps require large-scale genetic changes that are qualitatively different from the routine modifications within a species. Only such substantial alterations on a short timescale, the story went, could account for the sudden transformation from a 300-pound theropod to the sparrow-size prehistoric bird Iberomesornis.


But it has become increasingly clear that the story of how dinosaurs begat birds is much more subtle. Discoveries have shown that bird-specific features like feathers began to emerge long before the evolution of birds, indicating that birds simply adapted a number of pre-existing features to a new use. And recent research suggests that a few simple changes — among them the adoption of a more babylike skull shape into adulthood — likely played essential roles in the final push to bird-hood. Not only are birds much smaller than their dinosaur ancestors, they closely resemble dinosaur embryos. Adaptations such as these may have paved the way for modern birds’ distinguishing features, namely their ability to fly and their remarkably agile beaks. The work demonstrates how huge evolutionary changes can result from a series of small evolutionary steps.


Source: https://www.quantamagazine.org/20150602-dinosaurs-to-birds/

The article is too long to cut and paste ..... but it does address and answer your questions.

Peace