Yasureoktoo
Seattle, WA
61, joined Dec. 2014
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All of the first mentionings of Muhammed, do not come from Islamic sources, but many confirm vague happenings, with slight changes in the times, the people, and the events.
Many of the events are confirmed, by outside sources. However Islam itself waits over 100 years before writing anything down/
These come from Robert Spencers book, Did Muhammed exist.
•No record of Muhammad’s reported death in 632 appears until more than a century after that date.
•A Christian account apparently dating from the mid-630s speaks of an Arab prophet “armed with a sword” who seems to be still alive.
•The early accounts written by the people the Arabs conquered never mention Islam, Muhammad, or the Qur’an. They call the conquerors “Ishmaelites,” “Saracens,” “Muhajirun,” and “Hagarians” but never “Muslims.”
•The Arab conquerors, in their coins and inscriptions, don’t mention Islam or the Qur’an for the first six decades of their conquests. Mentions of “Muhammad” are non-specific and on at least two occasions are accompanied by a cross. The word can be used not only as a proper name but also as an honorific.
•The Qur’an, even by the canonical Muslim account, was not distributed in its present form until the 650’s. Contradicting that standard account is the fact that neither the Arabian nor the Christians and Jews in the region mention the Qur’an until the early eighth century.
•During the reign of the caliph Muawiya (661-680), the Arabs constructed at least one public building whose inscription was headed by a cross.
•We begin hearing about Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, and about Islam itself in the 690’s, during the reign of the caliph Abd al-Malik. Coins and inscriptions reflecting Islamic beliefs begin to appear at this time also.
•Around the same time, Arabic became the predominant written language of the Arabian Empire, supplanting Syriac and Greek.
•Abd al-Malik claimed, in a passing remark in one hadith, to have collected the Qur’an, contradicting Islamic tradition that the collection was the work of the caliph Uthman forty years earlier.
•Multiple hadiths report that Hajjaj ibn Yusuf, governor of Iraq during the reign of Abd al-Malik, edited the Qur’an and distributed his new edition to the various Arab-controlled provinces--- again, something Uthman is supposed to have done decades earlier.
•Even some Islamic traditions maintain that certain common Islamic practices, such as the recitation of the Qur’an during mosque prayers, date from orders of Hajjaj ibn Yusuf, not to the earlier period of Islamic history.
•In the middle of the eighth century, the Abbasid dynastic supplanted the Umayyad line of Abd al-Malik. The Abbasids charged the Umayyads with impiety on a large scale. In the Abbasid period, biographical material about Mohammed began to proliferate. The first complete biography of the prophet of Islam finally appeared during this era—at least 125 years after the traditional date of his death.
•The biographical material that emerged situates Muhammad in an area of Arabia that never was the center for trade and pilgrimage that the canonical Islamic account of Islam’s origin depend on it to be. (pp.205-206)
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blake6972
Bunker Hill, WV
44, joined Jul. 2013
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You shouldn't feel guilty ..... I would think that many more people (though silent) feel the same way as you.
I saw on the internet that Donald Trump has made comments about keeping muslims from entering the country ..... even if they are US citizens who are visiting muslim nations.
It seems that there are many people that disagreed with him and are ready to linch him for his comments about muslims.
I'm not a Trump supporter ..... but I do respect the man for having the guts to speak his mind.
Peace
Interesting. Do you respect others who speak their mind?
Or do you insult them?
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sail_dancer
Saint Petersburg, FL
68, joined Apr. 2010
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Interesting. Do you respect others who speak their mind?
Or do you insult them?
I only insult those who have proven over and over again that they are irrational ..... choosing myth, fantasy and folklore over reality. I respect their nerve to speak their mind ..... but I totally disrespect how they use it.
Take you for instance ..... you obviously have the nerve to speak your mind ..... and I respect it. But that doesn't change the fact that your posts are for the most part foolish nonsense.
Peace
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blake6972
Bunker Hill, WV
44, joined Jul. 2013
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You are not to bright sails.
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aphrodisianus
Leander, TX
66, joined Oct. 2013
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You are not to bright sails.
You're not too bright posting "to" instead of "too". Poorly educated.
It's not surprising since we already know that studies show the hyper-religious scoring lower on IQ tests. Well, why is that? Because only a dull witted ignoramus would believe in religious superstitions, imaginary beings, and talking shrubbery.
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