How we can say alien might exists but God does not?

2/15/2016 2:15:31 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
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2/15/2016 2:20:25 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
clarence2 South Yorkshire United Kingdom 58, joined May. 2011	It's reasonable to believe that aliens may exist because we know biological life can exist. We don't know if the supernatural exists, and all indications are that it doesn't, and our ability to imagine beings with minds but lacking physical matter is an artefact of brain evolution.
2/15/2016 2:33:19 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
voyager02 Istanbul Turkey 30, joined Jan. 2016	Quote from clarence2: It's reasonable to believe that aliens may exist because we know biological life can exist. We don't know if the supernatural exists, and all indications are that it doesn't, and our ability to imagine beings with minds but lacking physical matter is an artefact of brain evolution. consider all the possibilities, what if God also has biological life or its not like God that religions are saying, a creator that is something new, no one ever thought there would be such thing
2/15/2016 4:44:27 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
clarence2 South Yorkshire United Kingdom 58, joined May. 2011	. Quote from voyager02: consider all the possibilities, what if God also has biological life or its not like God that religions are saying, a creator that is something new, no one ever thought there would be such thing If gods are biological, they're like us and not gods. If they're something new that no one has thought of yet, there's no reason to think of them now, just like all the other things that no one has thought of yet.
2/15/2016 4:50:44 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from clarence2: . Quote from voyager02: consider all the possibilities, what if God also has biological life or its not like God that religions are saying, a creator that is something new, no one ever thought there would be such thing If gods are biological, they're like us and not gods. If they're something new that no one has thought of yet, there's no reason to think of them now, just like all the other things that no one has thought of yet.
2/15/2016 5:00:30 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	Quote from voyager02: consider all the possibilities, what if God also has biological life or its not like God that religions are saying, a creator that is something new, no one ever thought there would be such thing When creating a God, the only limits are your own imagination. They can be in any form you like.
2/16/2016 12:29:08 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
thebard58 Hermiston, OR 57, joined Jul. 2010	Quote from clarence2: . Quote from voyager02: consider all the possibilities, what if God also has biological life or its not like God that religions are saying, a creator that is something new, no one ever thought there would be such thing If gods are biological, they're like us and not gods. If they're something new that no one has thought of yet, there's no reason to think of them now, just like all the other things that no one has thought of yet. If the presumed "aliens" have abilities so much greater than us that their "science" would be "magic" to us, then would that not make them "gods"? And if one of these hypothetical races was responsible for the creation of the particular MEST (matter, energy, space and time) universe that we reside in, then that would be the "gods", and most likely ruled by the "God", of religions.
2/16/2016 6:57:58 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
aphrodisianus Leander, TX 66, joined Oct. 2013	Quote from voyager02: consider all the possibilities, what if God also has biological life Then God would be a vulnerable as any biological life for defects of every kind. God could have a defective brain much like his followers. God could be insane and delusional just like his followers. God would have body parts as clearly written in the OT where God is described with hands, feet and even an ass. God has face and it kills people. God having a body would need to eat and therefore shit. God shit. The bible tells us that God takes a shit and smears it on people. This most certainly is a mentally ill god, just like his followers.
2/17/2016 7:50:10 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
clarence2 South Yorkshire United Kingdom 58, joined May. 2011	. Quote from thebard58: If the presumed "aliens" have abilities so much greater than us that their "science" would be "magic" to us, then would that not make them "gods"? And if one of these hypothetical races was responsible for the creation of the particular MEST (matter, energy, space and time) universe that we reside in, then that would be the "gods", and most likely ruled by the "God", of religions. That's a very speculative idea, given that we don't actually know whether or not intelligent aliens exist, or what are the limits of technological power attainable by evolved intelligences. To add further speculation to your own though, wouldn't it make sense that the aliens would create computers that eventually exceeded their own abilities and that those computers would ultimately outgrow their creators and be the ones to create new universes — assuming for sake of argument that this is possible?
2/17/2016 9:18:02 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
nonstandard York, PA 53, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from voyager02: consider all the possibilities, what if God also has biological life or its not like God that religions are saying, a creator that is something new, no one ever thought there would be such thing I see what you mean , but what if god was all biological life ? What if god is the universe that created all biological life ? Would he still be the same god , that everybody bows to , or would he be something else ?
2/17/2016 9:23:35 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
voyager02 Istanbul Turkey 30, joined Jan. 2016	Quote from nonstandard: I see what you mean , but what if god was all biological life ? What if god is the universe that created all biological life ? Would he still be the same god , that everybody bows to , or would he be something else ? whatever it is, there must be an intelligent being behind all of these system i think it is something else that no one knows, how it is, religions are trying to found ot and introduce it to us, they maybe say some wrong things about it, then some ppl think this whole God is a wrong thing
2/17/2016 9:35:50 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
nonstandard York, PA 53, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from voyager02: whatever it is, there must be an intelligent being behind all of these system i think it is something else that no one knows, how it is, religions are trying to found ot and introduce it to us, they maybe say some wrong things about it, then some ppl think this whole God is a wrong thing What we don't know , gave us life .
2/17/2016 9:38:55 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
nonstandard York, PA 53, joined Jun. 2009	We're here because of something we don't understand . If we say we know all of the answers , we're pulling a rabbit from a hat .
2/17/2016 10:25:59 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
wayn49 Birmingham, AL 54, joined Feb. 2011	that is what bothers me, God cannot exist but we do and aliens it does not fit. if we can assume we just came from no where then where did the universe come from? how can a vast universe not be there then is there? they call dark matter something you cannot see but it exist. i believe God does exist and that is why we are here. the bible tells us that God has always been which is mind boggling. we cannot comprehend that. we are here and we came from somewhere. the universe is there and it came from somewhere. even if a big bang happened what created it? and that means the universe was already present when the big bang happened. God said he has always been and it seems the universe has always been. so maybe God is the universe Jesus made a statement that God was a spirit. and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters it states in genesis. here we see that God is real and according to the bible Jesus came as God in the flesh but was with God in the beginning
2/17/2016 10:40:51 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 61, joined Jun. 2014 online now!	What if God/Goddess WAS aliens, they are obviously more intelligent. Could be called a higher power. And smart enough to dupe the sheep into believing that they are God/ Goddess. That's not stupid it has served them well to be sheephearders since " in the beginning".
2/17/2016 10:50:01 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
thebard58 Hermiston, OR 57, joined Jul. 2010	rufftreasure That is one possible scenario. (A violation of the "prime directive" ala "Star Trek". Other possibilities are that the advanced race (or perhaps one of many) is responsible for the existence of man, and therefore has authority, and responsibility, for providing some guidance. Or that this advanced race of beings was given the responsibility by the actual creator (be it corporeal, or not). [Edited 2/17/2016 10:51:04 AM ]
2/17/2016 11:15:55 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
rufftreasure Fairmont, MN 61, joined Jun. 2014 online now!	Quote from thebard58: rufftreasure That is one possible scenario. (A violation of the "prime directive" ala "Star Trek". Other possibilities are that the advanced race (or perhaps one of many) is responsible for the existence of man, and therefore has authority, and responsibility, for providing some guidance. Or that this advanced race of beings was given the responsibility by the actual creator (be it corporeal, or not). "Aaaaaaaa,it's a possibility, Doc," Bugs Bunny What if the big bang was triggered by the energy of these atomic ancient wars?? And as I have proposed before,it's all energy and it's all relative?? Hmmmmmmmmm? I'm basically saying what you are, my example is just one energetic example for cause. Hand in hand and in conjunction with each other, these energies are at work, IMO.
2/17/2016 8:39:51 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Does what we believe have a foundation? .... http://www.thetruthproject.org/about/culturefocus/Dr-Ravi-Zacharias-on-Relativism.aspx
2/17/2016 8:54:15 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
walt_oftheearth Avondale, AZ 61, joined Feb. 2008	Quote from thebard58: rufftreasure That is one possible scenario. (A violation of the "prime directive" ala "Star Trek". Other possibilities are that the advanced race (or perhaps one of many) is responsible for the existence of man, and therefore has authority, and responsibility, for providing some guidance. Or that this advanced race of beings was given the responsibility by the actual creator (be it corporeal, or not). Whereas the famous astronomer/ cosmologist Carl Sagan once postulated that the only parameters it would take for there to be an earth like planet, would be the right size star, the right distance from that planet. Today we know Sagan's predictions were horribly presumptive. Scientists now know the number of parameters for life to exist on any planet--including our own, is exponential, and with no end. Take for example, asteroids. Without the enormous gravitational pull of giant planets like Jupiter, earth would be pummeled and look like Swiss cheese. We shouldn't even be here. [Edited 2/17/2016 8:56:51 PM ]
2/17/2016 8:56:31 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
olderthandirt20 Waldron, AR 69, joined Jul. 2014	Just what is the foundation of your beliefs walt?
2/17/2016 9:13:36 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
aphrodisianus Leander, TX 66, joined Oct. 2013	Quote from wayn49: that is what bothers me, God cannot exist but we do and aliens it does not fit. It wouldn't fit in a narrow mind. if we can assume we just came from no where then where did the universe come from? Scientific illiteracy. Who assumes we came from nowhere except those who believe in fairy tales? how can a vast universe not be there then is there? Again scientific illiteracy. they call dark matter something you cannot see but it exist. Dumb statement. Who says dark matter exists besides you? i believe God does exist and that is why we are here. Beliefs without facts mean nothing. the bible tells us that God has always been which is mind boggling. Of course a narrow and superstitious mind would be boggled by simple math. The rest is just babbling boggling nonsense as a poor excuse to believe an imaginary magical man who created everything. we cannot comprehend that. we are here and we came from somewhere. the universe is there and it came from somewhere. even if a big bang happened what created it? and that means the universe was already present when the big bang happened. God said he has always been and it seems the universe has always been. so maybe God is the universe Jesus made a statement that God was a spirit. and the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters it states in genesis. here we see that God is real and according to the bible Jesus came as God in the flesh but was with God in the beginning [Edited 2/17/2016 9:16:07 PM ]
2/18/2016 7:28:46 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
nonstandard York, PA 53, joined Jun. 2009	Empty space is an enigma , everybody knows that its there , but even the greatest minds , cannot prove its there . Intelligence shares this quality , it lacks the physical characteristics that we get all of our knowledge from . We cant look at something , and see its intelligence . We have to test it , and observe its reaction . How can we say that we're intelligent , and that the rest of the universe is not ? It teaches us everything we know , but we call ourselves , the intelligent ones . What we call intelligence , is based on our own abilities , but everything has abilities . A plant , or an animal , has the abilities to serve , and protect its form . Every particle that creates every form , somehow knows what they need to accomplish , and they work to achieve a goal . An animal observing us , might think that he's the intelligent one , and that our behavior is the stupidest thing , he has ever seen . Right is being what everything is being , and sharing a common goal . Wrong is shattering what everything is working for .
2/18/2016 7:34:07 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
nonstandard York, PA 53, joined Jun. 2009	You cant say that something is controlling a universe , when everything in it , acts , and behaves , independently .
2/18/2016 11:49:19 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
wayn49 Birmingham, AL 54, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from aphrodisianus: you know you have a habit of making others upset By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host. Psalms 33: 6 "You alone are the LORD You have made the heavens, The heaven of heavens with all their host, The earth and all that is on it, The seas and all that is in them You give life to all of them And the heavenly host bows down before You. Nehemiah 9: 6 Lift up your eyes on high And see who has created these stars, The One who leads forth their host by number, He calls them all by name; Because of the greatness of His might and the strength of His power, Not one of them is missing. Isaiah 40: 26 "Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, Or loose the cords of Orion? "Can you lead forth a constellation in its season, And guide the Bear with her satellites? "Do you know the ordinances of the heavens, Or fix their rule over the earth? Job 38: 31-33 Thus says the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker: "Ask Me about the things to come concerning My sons, And you shall commit to Me the work of My hands. "It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it I stretched out the heavens with My hands And I ordained all their host. Isaiah 41: 11-12 He who made the Pleiades and Orion And changes deep darkness into morning, Who also darkens day into night, Who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the surface of the earth, The LORD is His name. Amos 5: 8 for a believer this is all they need to hear
2/18/2016 1:38:42 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
up2youandme Chandler, AZ 41, joined Jan. 2014	Quote from walt_oftheearth: Whereas the famous astronomer/ cosmologist Carl Sagan once postulated that the only parameters it would take for there to be an earth like planet, would be the right size star, the right distance from that planet. Today we know Sagan's predictions were horribly presumptive. Scientists now know the number of parameters for life to exist on any planet--including our own, is exponential, and with no end. Take for example, asteroids. Without the enormous gravitational pull of giant planets like Jupiter, earth would be pummeled and look like Swiss cheese. We shouldn't even be here. That's not true. ..the drake equation answered that in 1961..and it said at least 5,000 of earthlike environment are out there.
2/18/2016 3:11:55 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from up2youandme: That's not true. ..the drake equation answered that in 1961..and it said at least 5,000 of earthlike environment are out there. The Drake equation answered nothing. It was an arbitrary set of numbers at that time.
2/18/2016 3:16:52 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from walt_oftheearth: Whereas the famous astronomer/ cosmologist Carl Sagan once postulated that the only parameters it would take for there to be an earth like planet, would be the right size star, the right distance from that planet. Today we know Sagan's predictions were horribly presumptive. Scientists now know the number of parameters for life to exist on any planet--including our own, is exponential, and with no end. I believe Walt is essentially correct. While the parameters may not be endless, there are way more than had been thought before. And fwiw, The Urantia Book virtually says that there's another race of mortals, non-breathers (probably the "Greys") living right here with us in our solar system. It's their solar system too.
2/18/2016 3:38:32 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Just blockaphrodisi-anus. He's not supposed to be on this Forum. Quote from wayn49: you know you have a habit of making others upset By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host. Psalms 33: 6 "You alone are the LORD You have made the heavens, The heaven of heavens with all their host, The earth and all that is on it, The seas and all that is in them You give life to all of them And the heavenly host bows down before You. Nehemiah 9: 6 Lift up your eyes on high And see who has created these stars, The One who leads forth their host by number, He calls them all by name; Because of the greatness of His might and the strength of His power, Not one of them is missing. Isaiah 40: 26 "Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, Or loose the cords of Orion? "Can you lead forth a constellation in its season, And guide the Bear with her satellites? "Do you know the ordinances of the heavens, Or fix their rule over the earth? Job 38: 31-33 Thus says the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker: "Ask Me about the things to come concerning My sons, And you shall commit to Me the work of My hands. "It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it I stretched out the heavens with My hands And I ordained all their host. Isaiah 41: 11-12 He who made the Pleiades and Orion And changes deep darkness into morning, Who also darkens day into night, Who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the surface of the earth, The LORD is His name. Amos 5: 8 for a believer this is all they need to hear I like those verses, wayn. I also like these, they're kind of like those: Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; Job 38:7 *When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?*
2/18/2016 5:16:23 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 67, joined May. 2010	I don't believe I have ever said that, OP... So what "we" are you referring to?
2/18/2016 6:22:16 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from followjesusonly: I believe Walt is essentially correct. While the parameters may not be endless, there are way more than had been thought before. And fwiw, The Urantia Book virtually says that there's another race of mortals, non-breathers (probably the "Greys") living right here with us in our solar system. It's their solar system too. I may have misunderstood what Walt said. Anyway, I think that science is finding waay more planets that can have life on them than they first thought. Seems like I read possibly a billion in our own Milky Way. Or more. Maybe they will not all be carbon based, oxygen breathing as we are. But the Drake equation has turned out to be, or will turn out to be, ultra conservative.
2/18/2016 8:01:06 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
aphrodisianus Leander, TX 66, joined Oct. 2013	Quote from wayn49: you know you have a habit of making others upset Upset? Any reason? By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host. Psalms 33: 6 "You alone are the LORD You have made the heavens, The heaven of heavens with all their host, The earth and all that is on it, The seas and all that is in them You give life to all of them And the heavenly host bows down before You. Nehemiah 9: 6 Lift up your eyes on high And see who has created these stars, The One who leads forth their host by number, He calls them all by name; Because of the greatness of His might and the strength of His power, Not one of them is missing. Isaiah 40: 26 "Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, Or loose the cords of Orion? "Can you lead forth a constellation in its season, And guide the Bear with her satellites? "Do you know the ordinances of the heavens, Or fix their rule over the earth? Job 38: 31-33 Thus says the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker: "Ask Me about the things to come concerning My sons, And you shall commit to Me the work of My hands. "It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it I stretched out the heavens with My hands And I ordained all their host. Isaiah 41: 11-12 He who made the Pleiades and Orion And changes deep darkness into morning, Who also darkens day into night, Who calls for the waters of the sea And pours them out on the surface of the earth, The LORD is His name. Amos 5: 8 You've posted a bunch of worthless garbage written by people who knew nothing about the real world for a believer this is all they need to hear Because they're stupid, superstitious, gullible and often mentally disordered. Religiosity on this level is mentally damaging.
2/18/2016 8:01:59 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
aphrodisianus Leander, TX 66, joined Oct. 2013	Quote from up2youandme: That's not true. ..the drake equation answered that in 1961..and it said at least 5,000 of earthlike environment are out there. A lot more have been found since.
2/18/2016 9:11:59 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
voyager02 Istanbul Turkey 30, joined Jan. 2016	Quote from cupocheer: I don't believe I have ever said that, OP... So what "we" are you referring to? its like an example here we = humans coz topic is out of the earth
2/18/2016 9:17:09 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 67, joined May. 2010	Quote from cupocheer: I don't believe I have ever said that, OP... So what "we" are you referring to? .
2/18/2016 9:17:31 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from voyager02: its like an example here we = humans coz topic is out of the earth She knows. She's just being "cup."
2/18/2016 10:15:04 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
wayn49 Birmingham, AL 54, joined Feb. 2011	Quote from aphrodisianus: Because they're stupid, superstitious, gullible and often mentally disordered. Religiosity on this level is mentally damaging. your opinion
2/19/2016 12:53:14 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
voyager02 Istanbul Turkey 30, joined Jan. 2016	Quote from wayn49: your opinion all the atheist are like that just b*tching to other ppl always mad and crying, coz when you don't believe in anything life become meaningless, and automatically youll become a sad person but believers look nice ppl
2/19/2016 12:54:51 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
voyager02 Istanbul Turkey 30, joined Jan. 2016	Quote from followjesusonly: She knows. She's just being "cup." she just wasnt to exclude hersef from this WE OK I MEANT EVERY HUMAN EXCEPT CUPOCHEE
2/19/2016 7:42:39 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
nonstandard York, PA 53, joined Jun. 2009	An animal watching us , will not see our intelligence . The only intelligence it knows is its own . Our planes , trains , and automobiles , just look like the same oddities it has been seeing since it was born . It cant see the intelligence that created these objects . We see the environment , and the universe , in the same way . We don't see the intelligence that is always in action , creating all of the objects we see . The only intelligence we know , is our own . If somebody wants to say that god is the invisible portion of everything physical , I can accept that . I cant accept that there's a god pulling strings , selecting favorites , and handing out rewards , and punishments . This is our own intelligence , it doesn't represent the intelligence that we cant see , and the intelligence that is teaching us everything that we can know .
2/19/2016 10:33:37 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
clarence2 South Yorkshire United Kingdom 58, joined May. 2011	. Quote from walt_oftheearth: Whereas the famous astronomer/ cosmologist Carl Sagan once postulated that the only parameters it would take for there to be an earth like planet, would be the right size star, the right distance from that planet. Today we know Sagan's predictions were horribly presumptive. Scientists now know the number of parameters for life to exist on any planet--including our own, is exponential, and with no end. Take for example, asteroids. Without the enormous gravitational pull of giant planets like Jupiter, earth would be pummeled and look like Swiss cheese. We shouldn't even be here. Do you have the direct quote from Carl Sagan? I'd like to examine it in more detail without the addition of a possibly biased editorial gloss. I'm sceptical that scientists can determine what parameters are necessary for life to arise and evolve. Life on earth has adapted to the particular parameters that exist here but how are we to know that life cannot arise and adapt to radically different environments? Using conditions on earth to decide the parameters required for life to prosper on "any planet" sounds myopic and fallaciously reasoned. Your point about Jupiter is wrong too. The heavily cratered surface of the Moon shows how the planets of the inner solar system, including the earth, were pummeled like Swiss cheese when they formed from the solar nebula 4.57 billion years ago. The earth bears few signs of its violent past because impact craters are gradually eradicated by weather and geological activity.
2/19/2016 11:13:09 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from clarence2: Do you have the direct quote from Carl Sagan? I'd like to examine it in more detail without the addition of a possibly biased editorial gloss. I'm sceptical that scientists can determine what parameters are necessary for life to arise and evolve. Life on earth has adapted to the particular parameters that exist here but how are we to know that life cannot arise and adapt to radically different environments? Using conditions on earth to decide the parameters required for life to prosper on "any planet" sounds myopic and fallaciously reasoned. Your point about Jupiter is wrong too. The heavily cratered surface of the Moon shows how the planets of the inner solar system, including the earth, were pummeled like Swiss cheese when they formed from the solar nebula 4.57 billion years ago. The earth bears few signs of its violent past because impact craters are gradually eradicated by weather and geological activity. Gee, Clarence, that's a wonderful post. I could have possibly said the same thing, but not as well as you did. I may have misunderstood what Walt said the first time, but he has me blocked and I don't get to see his stuff directly. Anyway, I agree with your statement, 100%. Produce the Sagan quote, Walt.
2/19/2016 11:28:17 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
voyager02 Istanbul Turkey 30, joined Jan. 2016	Quote from clarence2: . Quote from walt_oftheearth: Whereas the famous astronomer/ cosmologist Carl Sagan once postulated that the only parameters it would take for there to be an earth like planet, would be the right size star, the right distance from that planet. Today we know Sagan's predictions were horribly presumptive. Scientists now know the number of parameters for life to exist on any planet--including our own, is exponential, and with no end. Take for example, asteroids. Without the enormous gravitational pull of giant planets like Jupiter, earth would be pummeled and look like Swiss cheese. We shouldn't even be here. Do you have the direct quote from Carl Sagan? I'd like to examine it in more detail without the addition of a possibly biased editorial gloss. I'm sceptical that scientists can determine what parameters are necessary for life to arise and evolve. Life on earth has adapted to the particular parameters that exist here but how are we to know that life cannot arise and adapt to radically different environments? Using conditions on earth to decide the parameters required for life to prosper on "any planet" sounds myopic and fallaciously reasoned. Your point about Jupiter is wrong too. The heavily cratered surface of the Moon shows how the planets of the inner solar system, including the earth, were pummeled like Swiss cheese when they formed from the solar nebula 4.57 billion years ago. The earth bears few signs of its violent past because impact craters are gradually eradicated by weather and geological activity. yes, earth was very violent before life came here, else where in universe is very violent, nothing works in order, but here in our solar system because there is life works very good and stable, why? some energy controlling these phenomena, and protecting life, before life started earth was very violent but then slowly it was preparing by some kind of Energy for supporting life, and because of that, i think something like God could exist
2/20/2016 2:55:44 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
sail_dancer Saint Petersburg, FL 68, joined Apr. 2010 online now!	Quote from aphrodisianus: Because they're stupid, superstitious, gullible and often mentally disordered. Religiosity on this level is mentally damaging. And pose a serious threat to all of humanity. Peace
2/20/2016 1:01:21 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	how we can say alien might exists but God does not Easily, they are two completely different things. Though in many religions the aliens were called Gods.
2/20/2016 1:46:46 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
nonstandard York, PA 53, joined Jun. 2009	Quote from voyager02: yes, earth was very violent before life came here, else where in universe is very violent, nothing works in order, but here in our solar system because there is life works very good and stable, why? some energy controlling these phenomena, and protecting life, before life started earth was very violent but then slowly it was preparing by some kind of Energy for supporting life, and because of that, i think something like God could exist I think that nature can , and does exist . I can understand where you're going with this , but god has been turned inside-out . If you use the name , everybody listening , will automatically assume that your talking about "their god".
2/20/2016 2:23:21 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
nonstandard York, PA 53, joined Jun. 2009	All beliefs contain a message . The gentle followers understand the simple message . They don't need tombs of words to get the point across . All of these unecessary words do more harm , than good . The sheer volumes of words , are the catalyst for errant people to twist , and distort it , to satisfy their own selfish , and vicious desires . I applaud all of the believers that don't go there , even though they could , if they really wanted to .
2/23/2016 12:15:15 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
thebard58 Hermiston, OR 57, joined Jul. 2010	Quote from Yasureoktoo: how we can say alien might exists but God does not Easily, they are two completely different things. Though in many religions the aliens were called Gods. Once again..."God", or any "gods" is/are E.T., or "alien", by definition (not born on planet Earth), but any alien may, or may not be defined as a "god", because that depends upon your definition of the term "god". And if there are a number of races or being, then the one most powerful entity (or granted the most authority) would be "God". What many fundamentalists do not seem to comprehend, is that even the Abrahamic theologies acknowledge "gods". Otherwise why would there be a commandment to "have no other gods before me"? And "Elohim" (one of the references to the "God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob") may be plural.
2/23/2016 3:00:03 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
Yasureoktoo Seattle, WA 61, joined Dec. 2014	The definition of 'God" is so vague and contradicting, it is basically meaningless. There are over 3000 Gods, the major ones, being the ones who conquered by military. They are like apples and oranges, completely different. Different values, different outlooks, different ways of slaving to them, different consequences of misbehavior. When a person says something like, "do you believe in God, or "God wants this or that, or just about anything represented by the term "God", it is just showing their own ignorance.
2/23/2016 3:14:31 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
sail_dancer Saint Petersburg, FL 68, joined Apr. 2010 online now!	Quote from Yasureoktoo: The definition of 'God" is so vague and contradicting, it is basically meaningless. There are over 3000 Gods, the major ones, being the ones who conquered by military. They are like apples and oranges, completely different. Different values, different outlooks, different ways of slaving to them, different consequences of misbehavior. When a person says something like, "do you believe in God, or "God wants this or that, or just about anything represented by the term "God", it is just showing their own ignorance. Peace
2/24/2016 10:50:59 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 67, joined May. 2010	Oh yeah of little faith....
3/19/2016 8:21:10 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 67, joined May. 2010	I don't say that.
3/19/2016 11:46:35 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
cupocheer Assumption, IL 67, joined May. 2010	God exists.
3/20/2016 8:44:17 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
iyamwutiyam Middelfart Denmark 47, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from cupocheer: God exists. You've shown yourself to be a stupid individual. Just saying something exists without evidence doesn't make it true. It just shows your lack a mind that thinks. Yes, it's stupidity because you're incapable of thinking on a mature and rational level. But it's not always stupidity alone. It could be a mental illness too because mentally ill people say stupid and irrational things. Not just irrational as a grandiose delusion. Saying that god exists is as stupid as saying unicorns or leprechauns exist. It just makes you look like you have psychological and intellectual defects and that's probably because you do.
4/6/2016 3:52:05 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
xman379 Richmond, VA 37, joined Nov. 2015 online now!	Quote from clarence2: . Quote from voyager02: consider all the possibilities, what if God also has biological life or its not like God that religions are saying, a creator that is something new, no one ever thought there would be such thing If gods are biological, they're like us and not gods. If they're something new that no one has thought of yet, there's no reason to think of them now, just like all the other things that no one has thought of yet. From a scientific point of view, by definition, the god of the "Abrahamic" faiths (Judaism Christianity and Islam) IS an alien (extraterrestrial). The word extraterrestrial, as you know l, simply means that which is outside of the Earth's atmosphere. Unless the assertion is that god is FROM Earth, which would be odd, being that according to the texts of the Abrahamic faiths states that god CREATED the Earth, meaning god existed BEFORE the Earth was created, then god, if real, is an extraterrestrial being. In others words, god is an alien.
4/7/2016 5:50:33 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	God is neither alien nor extra-terrestial. He is everywhere. He is always very close to anyone who calls upon Him.
4/7/2016 6:41:50 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
followjesusonly Kingman, AZ 73, joined May. 2012	Quote from ludlowlowell: God is neither alien nor extra-terrestial. He is everywhere. He is always very close to anyone who calls upon Him. If it's true what you say that "Jesus IS the Church, and the Church is Jesus. Jesus=Church Church=Jesus Jesus=Church Church=Jesus Jesus=Church Church=Jesus" ...then it follows that if Jesus is God, then God is the Catholic church and the Catholic church is God. Isn't that right? Like this?: "God IS the Church, and the Church is God. God=Church Church=God God=Church Church=God God=Church Church=God" Is that right?
4/7/2016 8:39:18 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
iyamwutiyam Middelfart Denmark 47, joined Dec. 2011	Quote from ludlowlowell: God is neither alien nor extra-terrestial. He is everywhere. He is always very close to anyone who calls upon Him. You make God sound like homosexual prostitute who does out calls. I'm sure your track record with women explains your need.
4/8/2016 8:38:46 AM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	You're always handy with the personal insults, aren't you Iyam? Iyam, have you ever had a discussion with anyone about anything without resorting to personal insults?
4/8/2016 12:09:12 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
xman379 Richmond, VA 37, joined Nov. 2015 online now!	Quote from ludlowlowell: God is neither alien nor extra-terrestial. He is everywhere. He is always very close to anyone who calls upon Him. Really? Interesting. That means god favors evil. Check this short 9 minute video for an explanation. m.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1BzP1wr234
4/8/2016 1:54:53 PM	How we can say alien might exists but God does not?
ludlowlowell Panama City, FL 63, joined Feb. 2008	Evil is rebellion against God. Why would God approve of that?

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