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9/29/2008 8:54:52 PM	Athiests believe in God.
rockondon Prince George, BC age: 35 online now!	But, did they exist in the first place outside of religion? Since you bring it up, the commandments were written in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, a funerary text, 16th century BC. They were probably common knowledge millenia before that too. Even my cat knows most of them, and she never even read the bible.
9/29/2008 9:49:48 PM	Athiests believe in God.
stringsvrs Syracuse, NY age: 51	Brother Skunk Saint James, MO age: 89 "Those who invalidate reason ought seriously to consider whether they argue against reason or without reason; if with reason, then they establish the principle that they are laboring to dethrone: but if they argue without reason (which, in order to be consistant with themselves they must do), they are out of reach of rational conviction, nor do they deserve a rational argument."-- Ethan Allen, classics, you are pouring the sand of logic into a bottomless hole of irrational faith built upon organized ignorance. My Dear Brother, this is one of those times when you make a quote better than the quotes you post
9/29/2008 11:04:03 PM	Athiests believe in God.
valion Chicopee, MA age: 56	Quote from rockondon: Since you bring it up, the commandments were written in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, a funerary text, 16th century BC. They were probably common knowledge millenia before that too. Even my cat knows most of them, and she never even read the bible. Well, thanks for your support on my assertion. Yes, the Book of the Dead is vaguely reminiscent of the Ten Commandments. There seems to be some debate as to which preceded which as well. Maybe you should read the Bible to kitty. Who knows, you might pick up something you missed.
9/29/2008 11:17:57 PM	Athiests believe in God.
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 35	Yes, it's true. They believe in God; and God is them. That's why they decide what is good and what is evil rather than allowing God to determine that. They are the epitome of what ails man. That is the entire problem starting with the first sin. Man wanting to be God... Same disease Satan had..... The highest essence of what sin is. Many, all of us sadly, to different degrees, envy God's power. We want to be God. We aren't. Live with it..... Is this a joke? And the "discussion" has lasted 7 pages?? Wow... incredulous
9/30/2008 7:40:10 AM	Athiests believe in God.
classicsfan Charlottetown, PE age: 51	Quote from valion: "But, did they exist in the first place outside of religion?" Of course they did. The concepts of not stealing, killing, respect for elders, caring for the ill, injured or aged, exist in many animals that travel in groups or packs.
9/30/2008 6:24:33 PM	Athiests believe in God.
valion Chicopee, MA age: 56	Quote from shakti: Is this a joke? And the "discussion" has lasted 7 pages?? Wow... incredulous Yes, it's just a joke. By now...
9/30/2008 6:32:40 PM	Athiests believe in God.
valion Chicopee, MA age: 56	Quote from classicsfan: Quote from valion: "But, did they exist in the first place outside of religion?" Of course they did. The concepts of not stealing, killing, respect for elders, caring for the ill, injured or aged, exist in many animals that travel in groups or packs. And Tigers eat their young. And Chimps commit murder. And it is documented certain lionesses have killed the young of a pride. What does this have to do with what man does? Saying "of course they did" shows your lack of true reasoning and your having a trigger finger ready to call assumption- fact. We certainly DO NOT KNOW if these moral parameters we generally apply today came from religion or merely were manifested out of a need to beget order. At least I can be open minded enough to admit we don't know.
10/1/2008 12:07:30 AM	Athiests believe in God.
stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 63	Dating of the Egyptian book of the dead, come in two sections, the oldest available evidence, linguistic and cultural evidence. The evidence dates from about 1600BC, to 750BC. Culturally and linguistically, parts of it seems to date back to the 5-6th dynasty. When you consider around the 3rd century BC, there were at least three forms of Hebrew biblical text, the text that became the Masoretic text, the text used for the Greek translation, and the Samaritan Pentateuch. Apart from the dead sea scrolls, a papyrus of the ten commandments of the Second century AD which varies greatly from the classical text, and a few fragments from the Fifth century AD, the oldest Hebrew text of the Bible dates from the Ninth century A.D. The Septuagint was probably the first translation in Greek. It dates from the Third century B.C. and was written by Jews in Alexandria. It Was on this text that the New Testament was based. It remained authoritative until the Seventh century A.D. The basic Greek texts in general use in the Christian world are from the manuscripts catalogued under the title Codex Vaticanus in the Vatican City and Codex Sinaiticus at the British Museum, London. They date from the Fourth century A.D. The early christian church used the Septuagint, which is the oldest Greek version of the Hebrew bible, and not the OT until at least the mid-fourth century. Greek was a major language of Roman Empire and also the language of the christian church. Until then, the church accepted Philo's description of the Septuagint's miraculous and inspired origin, Its should be noted, jesus and the apostles quoted extensively from the text in the NT. Saint Jerome checked the Septuagint in about 450 AD against the Hebrew text that was then available, coming to the conclusion the Hebrew text better testified to the NT than the Septuagin. He broke with church tradition and translated most of the OT from Hebrew rather than Greek. He was severely criticized by Augustine and others who regarded Jerome as a forger. But over time, acceptance of Jerome's version increased until it displaced the the Septuagint. Before the OT became a collection of books, it was a folk tradition that relied entirely upon human memory, originally the only means of passing on ideas from generation to generation. Plus these traditions were sung, so none of the OT can be accurate as nonje of it was written down until the 3-5th century BC and then in many versions. Just like the NT, plagiarised folk tales, as much of the OT can be found in the Egyptian book of the dead, the Epic of Gilgamesh and other ancient mythology pre-dating the OT by thousands of years in some cases. [Edited 10/1/2008 12:26:49 AM]
10/1/2008 12:19:18 AM	Athiests believe in God.
r_7 Sanford, FL age: 45	Quote from stormbay: . SCRIPTURES ARE IN WRITTEN FORM CENTURIES BEFORE JC. YOUR FACTS ARE INCORRECT. PROVE ME WRONG WITH DATA, NOT YOUR MYTHOLOGICAL NONSENSE! FALLACIES ASSUMED BY IGNORAMUSES! NOT BASED IN MODERN ACTUAL EVIDENCE, JUST GOSSIP AND INNUENDO! INCORRECT! They have now found scripts-papyrus- Dating several centuries before Jesus Christ. The Book of Isaiah!!! ALMOST WORD BY WORD AS OUR TEXTS OF TODAY! DO THE RESEARCH AND YOU WILL FIND THAT IS A FACT! TRUE STORY!
10/1/2008 12:35:22 AM	Athiests believe in God.
stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 63	Maybe you should learn to read first, before you show your lack of intellect. This is what you wrote. ”SCRIPTURES ARE IN WRITTEN FORM CENTURIES BEFORE JC. YOUR FACTS ARE INCORRECT. They have now found scripts-papyrus- Dating several centuries before Jesus Christ. ” This is from my post. The Septuagint was probably the first translation in Greek. It dates from the Third century B.C. and was written by Jews in Alexandria. When you consider around the 3rd century BC, there were at least three forms of Hebrew biblical text, the text that became the Masoretic text, the text used for the Greek translation, and the Samaritan Pentateuch. Before the OT became a collection of books, it was a folk tradition that relied entirely upon human memory, originally the only means of passing on ideas from generation to generation. Plus these traditions were sung, so none of the OT can be accurate as nonje of it was written down until the 3-5th century BC and then in many versions Looking in mirrors tends to make you look stupid, or a non event. Knowledge is a wonderful thing, but showing you have none, is typical of a god slave.
10/3/2008 3:29:28 PM	Athiests believe in God.
raventalon Belleville, IL age: 48	Sounds like the brain of sabellious/monarchian! Egad!
10/3/2008 4:25:35 PM	Athiests believe in God.
stormbay Tasmania Australia age: 63	He's just another religious coward who screams denial, bellows and then, only babbles out emptiness.

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