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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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 well for one thing they should be introduced on the us mexico boarder where there is more for them to eat
and then all the skid rows need a bunch and lets not forget about washington dc
they could clean up nicely their 
willu65,Not a bad idea. 
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cookinwho
Shelley, ID
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Or we could offer guided hikes up Cave Falls and what not with no side arm. Of course there would definitely be a foot race involved first!! 
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| 11/5/2010 2:25:35 PM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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Two Flathead Valley men who were retrieving an elk in the South Fork Flathead drainage say they ended up fending off a pack of aggressive wolves Saturday.
They were forced to leave behind the elk, and they ended up killing one wolf, resulting in an investigation because wolves are still protected under the Endangered Species Act.
Mark Appleby, a 49-year-old hunter from Columbia Falls, shot the 6-point bull elk the day before, on Oct. 29, off the Deep Creek Road east of Hungry Horse Reservoir. He quartered the animal and hiked out with the head with the intent of returning to pack out the meat with horses the next day.
Whitefish resident Raymond Pitman, 27, volunteered to help. The two men held a press conference Thursday in Kalispell to tell their story, with legislators and several reporters attending.
They rode in about two about two hours from their truck and carefully approached the downed elk, knowing there could be bears or wolves in the area. There was only a coyote track, so they had lunch and started rigging the horses up to pack out the meat.
After they had been in the area for about an hour, the horses started to spook, their attention focused on a nearby hillside.
“The horses started freaking out,” said Pitman, who first saw a group of wolves approaching no more than 30 to 40 yards away. Appleby saw them soon after.
“There were seven or eight of them and they were running at us at full stride at first,” said Appleby, who dashed toward the wolves to get his rifle.
“I was about halfway there and I heard Raymond shoot with his .44 mag,” Appleby wrote in his statement to Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks. “When I reached my gun, I picked it up and the wolves stopped. I pointed my gun at them at about the same time they started to run at us again. At that time, I feared for my life and the horses and my friend and I started to shoot.”
Appleby fired several rounds at the wolves, which then retreated back up the timbered hillside.
“On this one, there was no time to think,” said Appleby, who is convinced that his friend’s pistol bought him the time to get to his rifle. “If he didn’t have that .44 on his side, we wouldn’t be talking to you.”
But the wolves did not fully retreat, Pitman said.
One started howling, and the others joined in. The horses continued to panic, and were literally leading Appleby and Pitman away from the area.
“It was a mess, an absolute mess,” said Appleby, adding that his stirred-up horse was beating him up as he tried to control it.
The wolves continued to push the two men and their horses, pursuing but staying mostly out of sight.
“I’m getting mad talking about it,” said Appleby, who was in disbelief that he was forced to abandon his meat. “I said I can’t believe we’re hauling the horses out empty.”
“The only reason they quit following us is that I was shooting at them,” Pitman said.
Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks Warden Perry Brown returned to the site with Appleby and Pitman on Monday, and determined that the wolves had followed the group for about 200 yards away from the elk.
Any more questions about these animals?
If I'm in the woods and see wolves,they are dead.
Semper Fi !!!
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| 11/6/2010 2:08:19 PM |
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willu65
Pocatello, ID
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well goverment is supposed to be for the people by the people but the fish and game over the last 25 yr or more has been a joke
first they brought in the falcon umm a preditor that raids the nest of eagles and hawks among others I noticed that they cant pick up a rattle snake [eagles and hawks can ]
oh and then we need more puma oh they kill sheep for fun
and then wolves and they kill what ever they feel like
and then we hire more game officers [tax sponges] give them a nice truck to drive and plenty of gas
and I gess I must be stupid!!! 
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| 11/7/2010 8:49:07 AM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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well goverment is supposed to be for the people by the people but the fish and game over the last 25 yr or more has been a joke
first they brought in the falcon umm a preditor that raids the nest of eagles and hawks among others I noticed that they cant pick up a rattle snake [eagles and hawks can ]
oh and then we need more puma oh they kill sheep for fun
and then wolves and they kill what ever they feel like
and then we hire more game officers [tax sponges] give them a nice truck to drive and plenty of gas
and I gess I must be stupid!!!
Right you are.It seem the powers that be forgot that!Thats why the Tea Party has become so strong.
The Fish and Game Dept is a joke.The people that work there are a bunch of college grads with no practical REAL LIFE hands on in the field.They take a few Field Trips and that is supposed to make them experts at managing our wildlife.The old timmers and the farmers are much better suited for taking care of the wildlife and fisheries that a bunch of people that got their ideas from P.E.T.A. or some greenie outfit that have no idea of how to manage their own lives let alone the animals far away from where they live.
Semper Fi !!!
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| 11/8/2010 3:22:49 PM |
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willu65
Pocatello, ID
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oh and I forgot the bears
its all part of a bigger plan to make trouble for farmers and ranchers to drive them out of business and make people more dependant on big goverment ummm socialism look at the uk
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| 11/8/2010 5:27:48 PM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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oh and I forgot the bears
its all part of a bigger plan to make trouble for farmers and ranchers to drive them out of business and make people more dependant on big goverment ummm socialism look at the uk
Right again! Checkout my posts in the Republicans/conseratives chat room in groups,it's not for the light harted but it is very informative from several people.
When people start to wake up and see where the progressives,liberals,socialists,communists are trying to take this country,it will scare the hell out of most people.
Semper Fi !!!
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| 11/24/2010 2:51:23 AM |
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reincarnated
Saint Marie, MT
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kill em all and let god sort them out
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kangaroo11
Billings, MT
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Tht shit is retarted y the hell ppl go head and make tht shit a law
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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Tht shit is retarted y the hell ppl go head and make tht shit a law
Learn how to write for Christ sake.This isn't your cell phone.
Semper Fi !!!
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sands67
Livingston, MT
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Too many wolves. We recently had a big grey in our yard watching our dogs. A month after, 5 wolves killed our neighbors 14yr. old dog 50 yards from the house. (They're ranch is 1 1/2 miles up the road from us)
We stumbled across a wolf kill of a younger cow elk, they never ate him.
I can go on and on from the parasites they carry that are starting an epidemic damage to the lungs in sheep and other animals. To the ripping out of the unborn elk fetus, leaving the cow to slowly die, while they consume the fetus and not her.
I've been hunting in some of the same Montana country for 19 years now. Since wolf introduction, not reintroduction as THIS wolf is not native to MT., there has been a steady decline in game. Moose almost nill, elk and deer.
We packed out in back country these past two hunting seasons, no sign of game but plenty of wolf sign.
Just my two cents.
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| 2/12/2011 11:47:27 AM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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The Sierra Club and the U.S. Forest Service were presenting an alternative to the Wyoming ranchers for controlling the coyote and wolf population. It seems that after years of the ranchers using the tried and true method of shooting or trapping the predators, the Sierra Club had a "more humane" solution to this issue. What they were proposing was for the animals to be captured alive. The males would then be castrated and let loose again. This was ACTUALLY proposed by the Sierra Club and by the U.S. Forest Service. All of the ranchers thought about this amazing idea for a couple of minutes. Finally an old fellow wearing a big cowboy hat in the back of the conference room stood up, tipped his hat back and said; "Son, I don't think you understand our problem here... these coyotes and wolves ain't screwing' our sheep... they're eatin' 'em!" The meeting never really got back to order. . .
Semper Fi !!!
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dieselpower2010
San Antonio, TX
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Let me seeeeeeeeeeeeee... I have family in Louisiana and the alligator problem has gotten outta hand. There are attacking and killing people. We are moving into there world. That's what happen's....we need more population control NOT ANIMAL'S.
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| 2/17/2011 9:56:55 AM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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It's about damn time Schweitzer stepped up and did something a bout the wolves.
I still say kill them all.
Semper Fi !!!
Gov. Brian Schweitzer has drawn a bold line on the land, announcing Wednesday that he is directing Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks not to prosecute ranchers who kill wolves that threaten livestock.
He also directed the department to cull wolves that have impacted elk populations in the Bitterroot Valley.
Schweitzer outlined those policies in a letter to Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, saying that he is “profoundly frustrated by the lack of any actual results that recognize Montana’s rights and responsibilities to manage its wildlife.”
He added that Montana “has for years done everything that has been asked: adopting a model wolf management plan; enacting enabling legislation and adopting the necessary implementing rules. Our exemplary efforts have been ignored. I cannot continue to ignore the crying need for workable wolf management while Montana waits, and waits, and waits.”
Wolves in the Northern Rockies were removed from protection under the Endangered Species Act by the Department of Interior under the Bush and Obama administrations, but both of those decisions were rolled back by court decisions.
Schweitzer said he is directing Montana game wardens not to prosecute livestock producers “who kill or harass a wolf attacking their livestock” on lands north of Interstate 90, where wolves are listed as a fully endangered species.
“Further, I am directing FWP to respond to any livestock depredation by removing whole packs that kill livestock, wherever this may occur,” he states in the letter.
Lethal wolf control in Montana currently is carried out by Wildlife Services, a federal agency.
“Still further, to protect the elk herds in Montana’s Bitterroot Valley that have been most adversely affected by wolf predation, I am directing FWP, to the extent allowed by the Endangered Species Act, to cull these wolves by whole-pack removal to enable elk herds to recover,” the governor states.
Last week, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service released a draft environmental assessment proposing to allow the state of Idaho or tribes to “lethally take wolves within the experimental population area when wolf predation is having an unacceptable impact on wild ungulate populations” in central Idaho’s Lolo Elk Management Zone.
The proposal comes in response to a Sept. 24, 2010 request from the state of Idaho to reduce the wolf population in the Lolo Elk Management Zone.
The proposal would allow wolves in that zone to be reduced to a minimum of 20 to 30 animals in three to five packs from a current estimated population of 60 to 80 wolves.
A similar petition from Montana to remove 12 wolves in the Bitterroot Range southwest of Butte remains pending.
Federal law allows greater flexibility in managing experimental wolf populations than it does for fully endangered populations.
“At this point, I can do nothing less and still maintain my commitment as governor to uphold the rights of our citizens to protect their property and to continue to enjoy Montana’s cherished wildlife heritage and traditions,” Schweitzer concludes in his letter.
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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Let me seeeeeeeeeeeeee... I have family in Louisiana and the alligator problem has gotten outta hand. There are attacking and killing people. We are moving into there world. That's what happen's....we need more population control NOT ANIMAL'S.
You don't know anything about our wolves or how they were "reintroduced" back to this area by a bunch of people that wouldn't know a wolf from a jack rabbit.
To compare our wolf problem to a alligator problem in Louisiana is beyond stupid and has all the earmarks of that screwed up bunch of idiots at p.e.t.a..There is no realtion at all.Get your facts straight and then come back and resopnd.
Semper Fi !!!
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bigguy1964
Plains, MT
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My opinion on the topic. The federal and state governments are spending too much time and money on this issue and need to get one resolution and revisit it in 2 years time. There are too many other issues that need the time and money. The wolf problem will not be solved any time soon, unless the states involved and the federal government compromise. As for where the wolves live, anywhere they go is where. Are we now going to build fences around states and patrol them for wolves? No, would be a huge expense and a waste of time and funds.
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real3210
Kalispell, MT
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I think the wolves have always been there, but with all the forest fires they have had to resort to moving closer to populated areas for food, just like we are seeing more wildlife in general. I almost hit an Elk on the way home from town tonight. I suppose that if the population is getting out of controll they will probably have tags for them to hunt.
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| 2/27/2011 10:05:45 AM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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I think the wolves have always been there, but with all the forest fires they have had to resort to moving closer to populated areas for food, just like we are seeing more wildlife in general. I almost hit an Elk on the way home from town tonight. I suppose that if the population is getting out of controll they will probably have tags for them to hunt.
I don't want to sound mean but you are really out of touch when it comes to wildlife espeically when it comes to wolves.Time to do your home work.
Semper Fi !!!
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real3210
Kalispell, MT
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My neighbors are wolves litterally. I live on the edge of the mnts. "out of touch." I may not have read up on this issue but there is a pack of them up the road from us and we didn't see a sign from them until after the last fire. now they are hunting in the lower areas. My daughter found a wolf skull in the neighbors yard, I pay attention to whats around me. when there has been a sighting from a preditor such as mnt. lion, wolf, bear etc. we get notified to keep our kids indoors until the problem is resolved. I was just stating my opinion on the matter from my point of view. Don't assume I don't know anything about wildlife Mr. Born and raised in Mnt. seems like anytime there is a problem with one population getting too large or too small we hunt or trap them , like last year for instance we could only hunt bucks during hunting season. If there are coyotes causing my landloard problems he calls some guys on horses and they come out and take care of the problem.
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blondeinpink475
Missoula, MT
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im not an animal killer, hunting is very sad to me but i realized thats how alot of people feed there familys so im over that but it would be kind of sad to just kill them. i do have a 4 year old daughter and were close to a part of town where theyre coming down into and that scares me. id rather have them relocated or hunted instead of my daughter or myself or anyone for that fact to be hunted by them
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kawasaki67
Boulder, MT
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I think we should ship all the wolves . griz and cougars to LONG BEACH CALIFORNIA!!!!!
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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I think we should ship all the wolves . griz and cougars to LONG BEACH CALIFORNIA!!!!!
Or New York City!!!
Semper Fi !!!
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scarletspider
Plains, MT
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I think that the best way to co-exist with the wolves is to find a habitability zone where they will not be bothered. People think that moving into land unclaimed by humans makes it there land, when the fact is there taking the home of a lifeform on this Earth. Dont get me wrong, I aint no greenpeace tree hugger, but a person that thinks all things deserve a retional response and respect. Putting a limit on to where people can homestead and giving wolves there space would reduce the problem significantly.
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kawasaki67
Boulder, MT
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Its kinda funny ,Well let me rephrase that..Its really scarey how much power that people have in makeing rules for our state and they dont even live here!!!!! Just about every one that wants tro have wolves dont live in our state. Yet they are screwing up one of the LAST BEST PLACES in the country. We cant even ride our dirt bikes leagally in most places any more because of these enviromental wackos!! And they are MENTAL!! They dont understand our grandparents killed of the wolves and cougars for a reason..We just screwed up in a very short order what they accomplished..I bet it is just a glorious site to be at a calving ground of the deer and elk and watch the fawns and calves being eaten alive as they hit the ground..If they even make it that far!! You people that want to protect such a animal are a bunch of freaks..We need to put a bounty back on the wolf and cougars.. Well have a nice day..
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b1diamond
Missoula, MT
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Kill them all!!! 
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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Well it looks like the FW&P is going to let us have 220 wolves to kill.I think that is short by about 1400 wolves.We will have to pay the hunt these animals when there should be a $100 bounty on them.
Semper Fi !!!
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| 6/2/2011 8:28:01 PM |
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willu65
Pocatello, ID
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Well it looks like the FW&P is going to let us have 220 wolves to kill.I think that is short by about 1400 wolves.We will have to pay the hunt these animals when there should be a $100 bounty on them.
Semper Fi !!!
hunting will only wise them this was done before and the goverment ended up putting a bounty on them .. ya start shooting at them.. ha that'al work
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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hunting will only wise them this was done before and the goverment ended up putting a bounty on them .. ya start shooting at them.. ha that'al work
Yeah that will add to the sport a great sense of accomplishment.How knows some may even earn enough money to offset the lack of work in the state.Wolves are good for nothing and have cost the tax payers a ton of money already.The people that wanted these wreached criters reintroduced to our state probably don't know where Montana or Wyoming are anyway.
Semper Fi !!!
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| 6/5/2011 12:26:18 PM |
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mojavedrifter
Florence, MT
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Wolves are beautiful creatures... to look at.
I'd love to introduce the Wolf Lovers and Apologists here to my Arabian Mare Brandy...
She's a sweet little horse about 14 1/2 hands, so gentle my oldest son just stood next to her the last time her hoofs were trimmed... no halter, lead, or anything but a gentle hand on her neck
She bolted out from under my youngest once... dropped him from where he was snoozing on her back in the sun... Looked like Wile Coyote, the horse just wasn't there and he woke up falling...
She followed him around for several days after trying to show she was sorry... it was kinda cute when he finally quite telling her to get lost and hugged her instead.
We didn't ride her enough... but she was still an important part of the family...
I'd love for all of you to meet her... but shes in a hole in the ground now, killed by a pack of wolves 100 yards from my house...
Not cleanly, that would have been too easy! They slashed her hocks and wounded her to the bone and gangrene took care of the rest. My dogs heard the commotion and ran out to chase the pack off while I was laying in bed too sick to get to the door and check on what was going on... Fortunately they were close enough to the house that the pack ran instead of putting them on the menu too.
FWIW Wolves don't seem to have been seen in Western Montana by the Lewis and Clark expedition... The native wolves were in the Yellowstone area if all accounts are accurate, and our new Bigger/Badder imported wolves have pretty well eliminated them as well.
Actually I'm being inaccurate in calling the Canadian imports wolves, they're dogs/wolf hybrids (according to the gene charting I've read up on) and not true wolves at all...
It's kinds neat to see a huge wolf bolting out of the brush and across the road a few yards in front of your car... even when it makes your breath catch in surprise... but when you get another hundred yards down the road and realize he's out hunting solo and after that doe and her new faun that lives in the meadow right up the hill from that spot it's not quite the same feeling...
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rvmagic
Helena, MT
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The Journals of the Lewis and Clark Expedition Online July 27, 1806
... low bottoms on each Side rivr wide and Current jentle. passed Little wolf river 60 yds. wid...
.... Side to take them down to the Mouth of Morriah to back [pack] the meat while we lay their, as we expect...
... hunt these goats, which are too swift to be run down and taken by a single wolf. The wolves having...
... fixed upon their intended prey and taken their stations, a part of the pack commence the chase, and...
Geeze I wish these Yahoos would stop moving here and re-writing history!
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
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The Journals of the Lewis and Clark Expedition Online July 27, 1806
... low bottoms on each Side rivr wide and Current jentle. passed Little wolf river 60 yds. wid...
.... Side to take them down to the Mouth of Morriah to back [pack] the meat while we lay their, as we expect...
... hunt these goats, which are too swift to be run down and taken by a single wolf. The wolves having...
... fixed upon their intended prey and taken their stations, a part of the pack commence the chase, and...
Geeze I wish these Yahoos would stop moving here and re-writing history!
Would you mind rewriting this with out breaking into peices.The way it is makes no sense.
Semper Fi !!!
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rvmagic
Helena, MT
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[Lewis]
Thursday July 24th 1806.
At 8 A. M. the sun made it's appearance for a few minutes and I took it's altitude but it shortly after clouded up again and continued to rain the ballance of the day I was therefore unable to complete the observations I wished to take at this place. I determined to remain another day in the hope of it's being fair. we have still a little bread of cows remaining of which we made a kettle of mush which together with a few pigeons that we were fortunate enough to kill served us with food for this day. I sent the hunters out but they shortly returned without having killed anything and declared that it was useless to hunt within 6 or 8 miles of this place that there was no appearance of game within that distance. the air has become extreemly cold which in addition to the wind and rain renders our situation extreemly unpleasant. several wolves visited our camp today, I fired on and wounded one of them very badly. the small speceis of wolf [1] barks like a dog, they frequently salute us with this note as we pass through the plains.
The reference I previously used follows; and was made by Gass one of the enlisted members of the expedition, who on this particular day had lead the hunting party ...[\i]
[Gass]
Sunday 27th. In a fine clear pleasant morning, myself and one of the men [23] crossed the river with the horses, in order to go by land to the mouth of Maria's river: the rest of the party here are to go by water. We proceeded on through the plains about twenty miles, and in our way saw a great many buffaloe. We then struck Tansy or Rose river, [24] which we kept down about ten miles, and encamped. [25] The land along this river is handsomely covered with Cotton wood timber and there is an abundance of game of different kinds. In our way we killed a buffaloe and a goat. [26] The wolves in packs occasinally hunt these goats, which are too swift to be run down and taken by a single wolf. The wolves having fixed upon their intended prey and taken their stations, a part of the pack commence the chase, and running it in a circle, are at certain intervals relieved by others. In this manner they are able to run a goat down. At the falls where the wolves are plenty, I had an opportunity of seeing one of these hunts.
Point is one of the previous posts claims this never happened! So check it for yourself
http://lewisandclarkjournals.unl.edu/read/?_xmlsrc=1806-07-27.xml&_xslsrc=LCstyles.xsl
The Expedition regularly sighted wolves in many different places the entire time they were in Montana.
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rvmagic
Helena, MT
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That person who made the comments about the Lewis and Clark Expedition had removed his profile, so his posts vanished from the thread. Apparently he didn't want to be confused by facts.
Also the comments that previous generations, grandparents, 100 years ago etc. First hand my Boy Scout Troop had a pack of wolves visit our winter campout in the middle of the night in early Dec 1961. None of the boys were attacked, the only problem was the wolves were trying to get to food stored in back packs. A couple years later that pack was wiped out using 1080 traps, baited with fresh beef. No species can overcome the aggressive eradication using technology that was employed in Montana by the Stockgrowers Assn.
30 years later, the FWP discovered that the eradication was a huge mistake, as was the aggressive cougar hunting and predator bounty. In 1990 Frank Dunkle, former director of the FWP hired me to photograph herds of elk and deer that had starved due to overpopulation and disease, as hunters only take the most strong and fit animals leaving the diseased and weak ones to infest the herd.
My posting of the two references, out of many more, was just to point out that these animals had been a part of the Montana eco system long before settlement and gold mining. By the way, Lewis had a his black Newfoundland dog along with him during the entire expedition.
I quit hunting, after being shot at three or four different times on different occasions by sound shooters or hunters shooting without having any backstop behind the animals. The first time on a friends ranch along with the owner and we saw the guy on the next ridge across from us shooting down at a couple pronghorns, The animals ran up toward us and the guy continued shooting, when one of his rounds hit directly between my father's legs, we decided to quit for the day. The guy across was too far away for us to id him. The last time I was deer hunting and just walking in dense forest, I heard a discharge and saw the round hit the tree about 3 feet in front of me, I never did see another hunter... personally I'd rather deal with wolves and cougars if I'm out in the woods, they're a lot safer than liquored up yahoos.
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hawker12
Missoula, MT
51, joined Apr. 2011
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keep the predators and solve the prey problem, raise and release deer and elk. or crap feed them some of the hormone, antibiotic, abused cattle. id much rather eat wild deer n elk than the crap that passes for meat at wallyworld! semper fi bro.
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| 10/5/2011 4:58:21 PM |
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getlostinmtxoxo
Missoula, MT
24, joined Oct. 2011
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The wolves are a greatly misunderstood species, even today. Live and let live. The wolves belong here.
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| 10/8/2011 9:18:15 PM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
67, joined Nov. 2007
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The wolves are a greatly misunderstood species, even today. Live and let live. The wolves belong here.
I beg to differ with you.We know more about wolves and their habbits than they did when they got rid of them over 100 years ago.There is no shortage of wolves,there never has been.There is all the wolves you can handle north of the border.If there is any misunderstanding about the wolves it's people like you who have no idea of their distructive nature,if you think I'm kidding just take a little hike into their area.
Semper Fi !!!
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| 10/8/2011 11:50:00 PM |
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getlostinmtxoxo
Missoula, MT
24, joined Oct. 2011
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I can tell you anything you'd like to know about wolves but that does not mean we truly know them. Just as I can tell you anything you'd like to know about yourself.
You are a member of the human race (homo sapiens), the scientific name meaning "thinking man". You are a mammal, a primate, and share about 98.4% of the genes with a chimpanzee. Homo sapiens -- (the only surviving hominid; species to which modern man belongs; bipedal primate having language and ability to make and use complex tools; brain 1400 cc). I know what blood runs in your veins, I know exactly how your body functions, I know your needs to survive. It seems that I know everything about you and yet, I know nothing about you at all.
The wolves are the same. You know what they are but not who they are. Clearly you’re lack of understanding is evident if you describe their nature as "destructive". Some might call human nature "destructive". In fact human nature is far more destructive than any species I've ever known. Why is it okay for us to live and not them?
I've worked with wolves, I've lived with wolves, I've watched the Yellowstone wolves, and I've raised wolves. They are a deeply complicated species that no one could ever truly understand.
For the record, a countless number of people, myself being one of them, have walked through wolf habitat and not one has ever been attacked, killed, or even injured by a wolf. I do not fear what I know.
Differ all you like but in the end you are very wrong.
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| 10/9/2011 10:39:14 AM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
67, joined Nov. 2007
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I can tell you anything you'd like to know about wolves but that does not mean we truly know them. Just as I can tell you anything you'd like to know about yourself.
You are a member of the human race (homo sapiens), the scientific name meaning "thinking man". You are a mammal, a primate, and share about 98.4% of the genes with a chimpanzee. Homo sapiens -- (the only surviving hominid; species to which modern man belongs; bipedal primate having language and ability to make and use complex tools; brain 1400 cc). I know what blood runs in your veins, I know exactly how your body functions, I know your needs to survive. It seems that I know everything about you and yet, I know nothing about you at all.
The wolves are the same. You know what they are but not who they are. Clearly you’re lack of understanding is evident if you describe their nature as "destructive". Some might call human nature "destructive". In fact human nature is far more destructive than any species I've ever known. Why is it okay for us to live and not them?
I've worked with wolves, I've lived with wolves, I've watched the Yellowstone wolves, and I've raised wolves. They are a deeply complicated species that no one could ever truly understand.
For the record, a countless number of people, myself being one of them, have walked through wolf habitat and not one has ever been attacked, killed, or even injured by a wolf. I do not fear what I know.
When I was 18 I thought I knew everything too.Looking back I was not very smart at all and should have listened to my elders a little closer my life would have been a lot better.Someday you will too see the light,that is if you don't get killed by a pack of wolves.
Semper Fi !!!
Differ all you like but in the end you are very wrong.
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| 10/15/2011 4:01:09 PM |
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getlostinmtxoxo
Missoula, MT
24, joined Oct. 2011
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Is that all? Don't waste my time with nonsense. I know who my elders are. They are wise and all-knowing and certainly not human by any means. The folly of the human race is visible in all people. Think, if we were all to listen to people like you what might the world be now?
I don’t claim to know it all. In my youth, with so much more to learn, I simply will not be un-teachable. Why is it that in your age you think you have the all answers when mostly everything is far old and wiser than yourself? Humans live in the blink of an eye. We are here and then we are gone. The knowledge we gain in a lifetime amounts to nothing when compared to what the earth knows. Is it really I that claims to know it all, or is it you? A wise, old human knows that we never know it all.
I'll advise the same to you: open your eyes, open your ears, open your heart, and look around. Your elders are all around you.
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| 10/15/2011 5:02:05 PM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
67, joined Nov. 2007
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Is that all? Don't waste my time with nonsense. I know who my elders are. They are wise and all-knowing and certainly not human by any means. The folly of the human race is visible in all people. Think, if we were all to listen to people like you what might the world be now?
I don’t claim to know it all. In my youth, with so much more to learn, I simply will not be un-teachable. Why is it that in your age you think you have the all answers when mostly everything is far old and wiser than yourself? Humans live in the blink of an eye. We are here and then we are gone. The knowledge we gain in a lifetime amounts to nothing when compared to what the earth knows. Is it really I that claims to know it all, or is it you? A wise, old human knows that we never know it all.
I'll advise the same to you: open your eyes, open your ears, open your heart, and look around. Your elders are all around you.
Say goodbye now!!!!!
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Semper Fi !!!
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| 12/30/2011 2:20:54 AM |
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mikhala
Havre, MT
33, joined Jul. 2010
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I saw a huge dark grey colored wolf by Loma the other day. It was huge. Just ran along my car as I drove down the highway. Beautiful animal yes, but scared the jeebies out of me. I have never seen one that close to any town. (It was only about a mile out.)
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| 1/6/2012 7:32:14 PM |
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tileman1814
Kalispell, MT
67, joined Nov. 2007
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I saw a huge dark grey colored wolf by Loma the other day. It was huge. Just ran along my car as I drove down the highway. Beautiful animal yes, but scared the jeebies out of me. I have never seen one that close to any town. (It was only about a mile out.)
Where there is one that you can see you can bet there is probably 10 more that you can't close by.Being that close to town,I would keep animals in and kids close.Wolves are team hunters and can easley weigh in at 200+ LBS.I expect we will be seeing more sightings closer to town because of the light winter we are having and it's easier for their prey to out run the pack.In the snow they can run down a deer or an elk by teaming up on them.
Wolves have made their way all the way to the great lakes now.There have been sightings of wolves down as far as central washington too.I wonder if them moron peta people gave any thought to how fast wolves can and have spread.
I still say kill them all.
Semper Fi !!!
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| 1/25/2012 11:55:37 PM |
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montanasoulman
Great Falls, MT
24, joined Jan. 2012
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Shoot, shovel, and shut up! Got 1 myself a year ago....it made a nice rug.
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