How many believe in original sin? 76

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10/3/2008 9:18:51 PM	How many believe in original sin?
agentox Hialeah, FL age: 31	@indoubt: "How can someone who has never even done anything but be born, be called a sinner? That is my question to you." Original sin lay in the idea, after eating from the Tree of Knowledge (morality), they became aware of morality (right from wrong). Then, God gave them the boot, with this knowledge of morality. Therefore, being created, and then born, you are born into this world with the knowledge of good and evil. Since you are of human nature with knowledge of morality, you are capable, and likely, or more accurately, impossibly incapable of not to perfectly abstain from sin (wrong moral doing). Not to mention, what gives all humans the instinctual ability and capacity to have morals, to sense, or have a compulsion, for the difference between right and wrong. It doesn't matter if you believe in sin, according to the Christian perspective, Adam and Eve gave this perception and awareness of right and wrong, and passed it down by human race. Hence, why everyone has an impulse to what is right or wrong, even if they hold irrational or rational or conventional beliefs on the subject, it still is instinctually intact by our human race. All humans, even the morally contempt, have a sense of morality. Jeffrey Dahmer has (excuse me, had) a sense of morality. Maybe not diverse, or convenient, or moral, but still the instinct was there. A seven year old was in the news today, for trespassing on a zoo, and feeding rare animals to a crocodile in the zoo. Now, this is disgusting by human standards, regardless of being an animal lover, or not. Not to mention, the kid is 7 years old. Was this rational in moral accordance? Did it have evolutionary advantages? Hardly. By anyone's standards. No, it was just delinquent. So, is this child pure? Hardly. The law exists, to inform people of what is wrong, against their natural proclivity. Then again, people go against the law, even in light of knowledge, because that is the nature of humans. Sometimes the law informs us, sometimes it exposes our propensity of our lack of a moral law, or its adherence. It exposes itself, by ourselves breaking it. @bigd9832: "If you are talking about Original Sin, then you must talk about Adam. And Adam was never born. So the question becomes...How can someone who has never been born, have sinned?" The more literal term for Adam would be "created". I know that if I have sax with a female, that when I ejyculate inside her, I am therefore typically creating a human being. So I find your response, of no validity. @scorpiomoon: "So is the idea of a talking serpent." So is someone that believes that is what that was meant or implied. If you want to take the Torah, Tanahk, or Bible literally all day, you will get burnt all day. Good luck. My 0.04 cents. [Edited 10/3/2008 9:46:22 PM]
10/3/2008 9:26:27 PM	How many believe in original sin?
seemonkey Big Pine, CA age: 45	Very close to scriptural. a couple of times in the word we are told of people that want to be God. and they get punished for that. Phillipians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it [u)not robbery to be equal with God:" the thief in the night. thought is NOT robbery to be EQUAL to God... hmmm now who does that sound like?. "the father and I are one" "the great I AM" etc etc it may be a combo of being seperate and thinking yourself His equal. anyone who has a higher power belief is doing well on their spiritual journey.
10/3/2008 9:46:18 PM	How many believe in original sin?
redstar4evr Lakewood, WA age: 57	Original sin is the sin we inherit from Adam and Eve. They were made perfect but were given freedom of choice. So rather than force ...God chose to make man have the freedom to choose to love and follow God and follow the rules He said to live by. They (Adam and Eve) chose to do exactly the one thing...God had said not to do. With the eating of the fruit.. the tree of knowledge of good and bad in the Garden of Eden. Sin entered into the world ....................... The first children born of Adam and Eve... Were Cain and Abel .....and Cain killed his brother Abel........ I mentioned this because...Its apparent sin in now in man. We all being from Adam and Eve inherit this original sin. [Edited 10/3/2008 9:51:11 PM]
10/3/2008 9:49:49 PM	How many believe in original sin?
agentox Hialeah, FL age: 31	...Sorry, I take back this comment... Fetch me some Jim, rum. [Edited 10/3/2008 9:52:35 PM]
10/3/2008 10:10:23 PM	How many believe in original sin?
jewelz5 Monteagle, TN age: 54 online now!	Quote from redstar4evr: Original sin is the sin we inherit from Adam and Eve. They were made perfect but were given freedom of choice. So rather than force ...God chose to make man have the freedom to choose to love and follow God and follow the rules He said to live by. They (Adam and Eve) chose to do exactly the one thing...God had said not to do. With the eating of the fruit.. the tree of knowledge of good and bad in the Garden of Eden. Sin entered into the world ....................... The first children born of Adam and Eve... Were Cain and Abel .....and Cain killed his brother Abel........ I mentioned this because...Its apparent sin in now in man. We all being from Adam and Eve inherit this original sin. redstar, the Adams and Eves were a race of people, not individuals. The Adamic Race comes from the word Adam which comes from the word Adom which means to cut off which means the divided one which means from being genetically manipulated we have a schizogenic mind which means we have a schizogenic society Man in made out of the dust of the ground. It is only after eating from the forbidden fruit that god said: "Behold, the man is become as one of us." - John G. Jackson (Pagan Origins of the Bible) The race of “Homo Atlantis” was created to be a servant in the Garden of Eden. The word eden comes from a word meaning “enclosed area.” It was in the closed area of Atlantis, in the precincts set aside for experimentation, that our remarkable genetic ancestor was fashioned. The race of "Homo Atlantis" was sent forth to garden, husband, mine, and generally labor at the behest of their alien masters. After the creation of Homo Atlantis every other humanoid (hominid) race was annihilated by our new masters, the “gods.” We have been led to believe that the entity that the Old Testament describes as a mass murderer and heinous leader is the God of the Universe. We have been led to think that the slaughter of human beings in the name of God is a divine act… In one of the most tragic ironies, the majority of humans continue to worship those “gods” who abused them the most - Jack Barranger (Past Shock)
10/3/2008 10:54:01 PM	How many believe in original sin?
jewelz5 Monteagle, TN age: 54 online now!	After the unforeseen departure of the Lemurians, the Atlantean warlocks were forced to return to their drawing boards, so to speak, to create another slave race. The result of their second generation experiments can be referred to as “Adamic” Man. The Adams and Eves were the perfect slaves. They were sent forth “naked.” This simply means that they were mentally and somatically dumbed-down. Their cognitive centers of higher intelligence were purposely suppressed. And the Lord said, Look, the people are united, and they all have one language…Come on, let us go down, and therefore confound their language so that they cannot understand one another’s speech - (Genesis 11) Let us make him who shall nourish and sustain us. What shall we do to be invoked, to be remembered in earth? We have tried with our first creatures, but we could not make them venerate us. So then, let us try to make obedient, respectful beings, who shall nourish and sustain us - (The Maya Popul Vuh) The Lemurians, who were suspiciously keeping watch over their former masters, discovered that their nefarious fathers had again created a subordinate race to serve them. They realized too that “Adamic” Man was, to all intents and purposes, their genetic cousin and, therefore, could not be left in servitude. The Lemurians decided to send agents into Atlantis to make contact with the oppressed and ignorant Adams and Eves. This was achieved and the counsel of the Lemurians led to a second vacation of Atlantean slaves. The majority of the Adams and Eves left for Lemuria with their advanced genetic cousins. Once again the Atlanteans were deprived of their perfect servant race.
10/3/2008 11:10:48 PM	How many believe in original sin?
wet33525 Dade City, FL age: 41	Original sin began with Adam and Eve. When they disobeyed GOD and ate the forbidden fruit, which by the way was not an apple, but a persimmon, that is where original sin began. Original Sin was then extinguished after the great flood, and when GOD promised us he would never extinguish us by flood again, GOD decided to punish those who sinned through tragic events. Though Jesus rose from the dead to save us from sin, original sin still was within us all. How does GOD deal with original sin now? The same way he always has: Through tragic events. Our economic crisis, the gas problem, other issues in our lives. Its GODs way of telling us to beware and change our ways, or it could be worse.
10/3/2008 11:37:40 PM	How many believe in original sin?
redstar4evr Lakewood, WA age: 57	Quote from jewelz5: Sorry I don't wish to argue this....but know what I know to be true and my knowledge of this does not come out of anything but the bible. Although I have read other than the bible on the subject of original sin. Adam and Eve ...made directly by God.... not born.....of man and woman. They were not a certain race of aman (such as Asian or Spanish)....but the beginning of man and woman. To take it any further or add more too it takes away what the true mean of what was ask by the op.
10/4/2008 12:05:37 AM	How many believe in original sin?
jewelz5 Monteagle, TN age: 54 online now!	The value from exposing the corruption and intrigue of the cruel inhuman leviathans of religion and politics cannot be understated or under-estimated. However, given today's apathy we might question what actual good will ultimately be derived from our efforts. Tragically, it appears that the human race has managed to arrive at a place where it is so jaded and sense-infatuated that it really could not care anymore whether Jesus ever existed or not. We can go so far as to say that it is not Jesus himself and his history or authenticity that interests most church-going Christians; it is what Jesus as a healing icon can do for them emotionally and physically which matters most. The average "believer" is not truly concerned with God’s nature, or with God’s mysteries. He is merely concerned with what God can do for him, and how God might make his sad, mediocre life less insipid. The average believer is not concerned about the emotions his Christ may have felt when he was betrayed with a kiss by a man he was ready to give his own life and even soul for. No, the average believer wants Jesus to do something for him. He wants Jesus to act on his behalf and to provide various physical, emotional, and spiritual comforts and securities. Yes, what a great pleasure a mentally and emotionally destitute (“meek”) man finds knowing that for the nominal fee of blind obedience his jealous god will fulfill his needs and also dispense hell and damnation to his enemies. Who could pass up such a platinum deal? The day that Jesus and god fail to cut it then the guru gimmick-merchant on the block will do just as well. Christian moralists may reflect upon the manner in which their own grandiloquent religious espousals have fostered the same pernicious disaffection in society that they vehemently attribute to atheism and materialism. Yes, religion is the little more than a narcissist’s Materialism. Truth can perish, and the world can come to ruin, but as long as the ego and the persona, and the illusion of salvation at the hands of others remains constant, we believe. [Edited 10/4/2008 12:08:59 AM]
10/4/2008 4:09:08 AM	How many believe in original sin?
seemonkey Big Pine, CA age: 45	the word Adams is in the bible and in the context that jewelz has presemted it. the morons that keep repeating the same comely ambiguous interpretation flaunt tgeir ignorance and preschool level of religious understanding. for example "every man and beast was no good in the sight of God" yet God packed the Ark with those no good beasts and they have again filled the earth. how was that cleansing or ridding the earth of ALL that filth? that is like saying all hamburger is contaminated with e coli and throwing away 50 tons of it but using a couple of pounds of it for dinner... you are stupid to say such a thing. if you had a brain or could use one then do so freaks.
10/4/2008 7:53:48 AM	How many believe in original sin?
sabellious Wrens, GA age: 43	No one one here can grasp the concept of original sin in all truth.I dont think that any life form like the atheist can percieve that. Those here that claim christainity are wrong on where they think it began at. Those here that use scripture are all pointing to Adam and Eve as being where it all began. This is what has been taught by the blind, that lead other folks that are blinded. Atheist are not beings that share in the concept of righ tand wrong that other got from Adam and Eve. For atheist are a subspecies.It is a very sad situation for atheist. Let us all be kind to atheist and report all animal abuse to the humane society even that of cruelty to atheist. I for one believe that an atheist will be able to be domesticated one day.They may make great pets. [Edited 10/4/2008 7:56:02 AM]
10/4/2008 11:06:04 AM	How many believe in original sin?
shakti Red Deer, AB age: 35	I for one believe that an atheist will be able to be domesticated one day.They may make great pets. Does this statement reflect your morality sabellious.. ? I find myself wondering how Jesus would respond to this.....
10/4/2008 2:57:39 PM	How many believe in original sin?
sabellious Wrens, GA age: 43	shakti ye with out sin cast the first stone. Atheist are sub species with out morals. It takes intervention from the one you call ''Jesus'' to cure their mentality,you shouldnt even mention his name.Your not worthy.
10/4/2008 3:11:31 PM	How many believe in original sin?
jewelz5 Monteagle, TN age: 54 online now!	Quote from redstar4evr: Sorry I don't wish to argue this....but know what I know to be true and my knowledge of this does not come out of anything but the bible. Although I have read other than the bible on the subject of original sin. Adam and Eve ...made directly by God.... not born.....of man and woman. They were not a certain race of aman (such as Asian or Spanish)....but the beginning of man and woman. To take it any further or add more too it takes away what the true mean of what was ask by the op. hey redstar, there is no argument from me I don't know why you would include the word in your reply except for what might be taking place in your own mind. The only reason you know your own knowledge to be true, is because your demonic freak rulers made sure you learned what they wanted you to, so you would believe and keep repeating their fairytale from hell. If it comes from the bible, you can better believe it is a mind control job from hell in order to confuse your mind in a sea of chaos as if it had been put in a mix master blender, just so you could not possibly really know what in the world you were talking about or think, about anything. Adam and Eve were not made directly from some God. The 'Adams and Eves' (plural, more than one) were races of people who had been manipulated and engineered through a long time genetic experimentation program in order to create the perfect slave race for the Gods, your master rulers, who univitedly had a neferious agenda to dumb down our ancient ancestors to create a perfect slave race. Only it didn't work out too well. I suggest you get an education and read up on your real history and learn some of the uncomfortable truths about your world and then you won't have to sound like a broken record and live your life like groundhog day all over again where nothing ever changes and everything stays the same. The bible stories are metaphorical and symbolic in nature and not meant to be taken literally. It has been through fraud, forgery and lies and through the fraudulent use of the conveyance of language, through many, many edits that the bible was formed and shaped to get over on your consciousness in order to control the masses of sheeple. The orginal sin, is the sin commited from the Gods, the annunaki, the nefillim, the fallen ones, the fallen angels, they were badass giants, aliens who came here and who chose to interfere with our ancient ancestors and screw with our genetics to make a schizoid being. The same bloodline decendents are still controlling the planet to this day and THAT IS WHY we have ALL the problems on the earth that we have been facing for thousands of years since. END OF STORY You have been divided inside, the intelligent center of your brain has been 'cut off' and you are destined to spend the rest of your lonely days searching for your missing half. Unless of course, you try to wake the hell up from the dream. You might have to quit your job and literally stop everything you are doing in your life in order to discover the facts that you have been intentionally kept from knowing. Sleeping beauty is asleep remember?... and they don't want her to wake up, because if she did, all hell would break loose and your rulers can't have that. [Edited 10/4/2008 3:15:29 PM]
10/4/2008 4:50:37 PM	How many believe in original sin?
analx Maunaloa, HI age: 29	@sabellious: I get a kick that someone actually responds to you. "Your not worthy." Jesus, hates everyone, like you. I am glad that you speak a lie, with His mouth.

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