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3/5/2009 6:53:19 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

darlinshel
Over 2,000 Posts (3,340)
Clayton, NC
age: 41


Hmm the bachelor Jason...I didn't really buy all that crying. Maybe he was feeling some of it, but that did seem overboard like he was looking for sympathy for playing both of them LOL.

I didn't watch the show...just saw his breakdown on some news show.

edited to add:

fishen I have to disagree at least as far as how it has affected me...it has made me feel closer to a man because he trusted me enough to open up and show feelings. Now that does go for real tears and real emotion - some have done the fake crying for all the wrong reasons and that will make me lose respect whether it's a friend or lover.



[Edited 3/5/2009 6:57:47 AM PST]

3/5/2009 6:54:07 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
fishenguy
Santa Rosa, CA
age: 50


Quote from evileddy:
Men don't cry.



I have to agree with this. Or maybe I should say men shouldn't cry in front of women. Every woman that I know that saw her husband or boy friend cry for any reason lost so much respect for him. Women say they want a sensitive man. But I find that they want him to be sensitive to their feelings and NOT to his own. When a woman sees her husband cry she sees it as a weakness and will use it against him.

3/5/2009 6:55:27 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

awakeing
Over 2,000 Posts (2,207)
Walled Lake, MI
age: 37


Quote from evileddy:
You say you want that but if you ever seen a man turn into a big blubbery mess over a TV Show or movie your vagina would dry up faster than the Sahara in the summer.

It's like if I seen my girlfriend take a massive dump while squeezing plucking her nose hairs.


Then Eddy it's you who have not experienced being in a real
relationship.

Look I've been there when men cry, my brother, my Ex husband, my father.
I know when my son's grow up they will cry. Someone who really loves
a man don't think less of him for showing his emotions.

Those women you speak of are your one night stands, your call girls,
your gold diggers who only look at you for your wallet.

It's those times you cry that you know if you have a good woman
on your hands. She will not only stand and cry with you, she will
do all she can to comfort and understand you. She will feel and honor
your pain. It is then that you honestly learn God didn't mean for man
to be alone he made woman to love you even more so at those moments.

3/5/2009 6:56:02 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

silkpanties53
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,667)
Jacksonville, TX
age: 54


Crying relieves stress ! !
Holding it in causes trama to your self and every one suffers.

Feelings are on the inside and if you can't cry you only care for yourself ! ! !
Someone hurts your feelings do you laugh ? ?

3/5/2009 7:01:00 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

midnightgambler
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,836)
Memphis, TN
age: 32


This is an example of what a lot of women do... They basically come up with what they think a eprfect man is and then they demand someone to fit every single part of it and that's exactly why they don't end up with anybody worthwhile. Men are picky also, but they sanely realize that trying to have control over how someone expresses things is not good.

I personally rarely have cried ever because I force myself not to, but it's not a good idea. Just like I personally think it's not a good idea thatsociety decides that men should force themselves to perform better during sex by holding back reactions. No wonder you see statistics of how many men are taking thigns such as viagra.... they've been pushed into not even being healthy to the point where they are de0sensitized to sex.

3/5/2009 7:01:49 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

msbevzie
Over 4,000 Posts! (4,391)
Oregon, OH
age: 45


Quote from evileddy:
You say you want that but if you ever seen a man turn into a big blubbery mess over a TV Show or movie your vagina would dry up faster than the Sahara in the summer.

It's like if I seen my girlfriend take a massive dump while squeezing plucking her nose hairs.



WELL Eddy my ex and I use to watch Extreme Makeover together and he'd cry and I got wet...We also watched we were soldiers and it brought back memories to him, and he cried, and I got wet...SO I'll never dry up dude that is a FACT, not at this age or stage of the game! I took a dump a massive one a dead baby in the toilet OKAYYYYYYYYYYYY and if my ex didn't cry then I would have totally HATED that man not really BUT I would have thought he had a screw loose or something BUT...it was OUR child!!!



[Edited 3/5/2009 7:04:20 AM PST]

3/5/2009 7:02:11 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
beanz991
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,608)
Houston, TX
age: 42


Quote from silkpanties53:
Crying relieves stress ! !
Holding it in causes trama to your self and every one suffers.

Feelings are on the inside and if you can't cry you only care for yourself ! ! !
Someone hurts your feelings do you laugh ? ?


Sex is a better stress reliver

Laughing is ok as it is a positive emotion and not indicative of your mental state, generally you also have control over laughter and can subdue it if necessary (say for example you are at a funeral the the widows unders fall to the ground..not a good time to laugh). Anger and crying etc are signs that you have lost control - a negative emotion.

3/5/2009 7:02:58 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

awakeing
Over 2,000 Posts (2,207)
Walled Lake, MI
age: 37


Quote from fishenguy:
I have to agree with this. Or maybe I should say men shouldn't cry in front of women. Every woman that I know that saw her husband or boy friend cry for any reason lost so much respect for him. Women say they want a sensitive man. But I find that they want him to be sensitive to their feelings and NOT to his own. When a woman sees her husband cry she sees it as a weakness and will use it against him.



My sister in law never put my bother down for his tears!
I never put my husband down for his either!
My Mother did put my dad down for his but only after
he attempted to kill her!

Something tells me that you didn't have the whole story
as to why she lost respect for him because I assure you
it wasn't for his tears!

No he must have done some REAL dirt and tried to hide
it behind tears.

3/5/2009 7:04:46 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

evileddy
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (10,597)
Ottawa, ON
age: 36


Quote from msbevzie:
WELL Eddy my ex and I use to watch Extreme Makeover together and he'd cry and I got wet...We also watched we were soldiers and it brought back memories to him, and he cried, and I got wet...SO I'll never dry up dude that is a FACT, not at this age or stage of the game! I took a dump a massive one a dead baby in the toilet OKAYYYYYYYYYYYY and if my ex didn't cry then I would have totally HATED that man not really BUT I would have thought he had a screw loose or something BUT...it was OUR child!!!



"Ex"

3/5/2009 7:05:12 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
usakindatheart
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,927)
Overton, TX
age: 48


Quote from beanz991:
No. A man should always be in control of his emotions.


during tragedies emergencies ect... I agree.... just like women should..
hysterics and fall apart melt downs have always been sickening to me,
IF the person at
the emergency or tragedy site is NEEDED...

but if not!... he/she can go in a corner and have their melt down...
don't bother me a bit...
i am NOT a great crier...
but i did have a couple of melt downs during my early divorce
stages...

BUT, never ever ever... during a crisis, that some one depends on my actions... NEVER

3/5/2009 7:05:50 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
fishenguy
Santa Rosa, CA
age: 50


Quote from beanz991:
Sex is a better stress reliver

Laughing is ok as it is a positive emotion and not indicative of your mental state, generally you also have control over laughter and can subdue it if necessary (say for example you are at a funeral the the widows unders fall to the ground..not a good time to laugh). Anger and crying etc are signs that you have lost control - a negative emotion.


This is true. Women don't want to see a man lose control of his emotions. When they see that, they lose respect and look for another guy. A more manly guy in their opinion.

3/5/2009 7:08:21 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
beanz991
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,608)
Houston, TX
age: 42


Please note...remember you are answering as women......a crying man in front of another man is not good and should earn you an a** kicking.

EDIT: An example is that solider.....NOT GOOD.

I spend 2 tours on the streets of Northern Ireland back in the mid-late Eighties..and had a good friend shot and killed by an IRA sniper while on patrol next to me....I didn't cry...why not?...training and control...if you are falling apart crying as a solider...well it's not good and your buddies will lose trust in you.

I would not want to be out on patrol with a sniveling mess next to me.



[Edited 3/5/2009 7:23:19 AM PST]

3/5/2009 7:08:37 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

evileddy
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (10,597)
Ottawa, ON
age: 36


Quote from usakindatheart:
during tragedies emergencies ect... I agree.... just like women should..
hysterics and fall apart melt downs have always been sickening to me,
IF the person at
the emergency or tragedy site is NEEDED...

but if not!... he/she can go in a corner and have their melt down...
don't bother me a bit...
i am NOT a great crier...
but i did have a couple of melt downs during my early divorce
stages...

BUT, never ever ever... during a crisis, that some one depends on my actions... NEVER


I see women daily bawling at their desks after talking on the phone to someone not work related.

It's not constructive at all. It's disruptive to the work environment as women around stop their work and come running to help.. some even break down into tears as well.

Then days after people are letting her "take it easy"

Then weeks later you find out she was crying because her boyfriend forgot to feed her cat and it ate some bread off the kitchen table or something.

That is not cool.

3/5/2009 7:09:09 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

awakeing
Over 2,000 Posts (2,207)
Walled Lake, MI
age: 37


Quote from fishenguy:
This is true. Women don't want to see a man lose control of his emotions. When they see that, they lose respect and look for another guy. A more manly guy in their opinion.


Are you kidding me?!?!

So in your view a woman would rather be with a man who is so
in control that he don't cry no he just back hands her across
the room because that is a real man?

3/5/2009 7:10:26 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
fishenguy
Santa Rosa, CA
age: 50


Quote from awakeing:
My sister in law never put my bother down for his tears!
I never put my husband down for his either!
My Mother did put my dad down for his but only after
he attempted to kill her!

Something tells me that you didn't have the whole story
as to why she lost respect for him because I assure you
it wasn't for his tears!

No he must have done some REAL dirt and tried to hide
it behind tears.


You are divorced from your husband. Is your brother still married? I cried when my dog died. My wife didn't come near me for a month after that. There have been other times since my divorce when I have cried with a girl friend only to be dumped a week later. No, it's not a good idea to cry in front of a woman.

----------------------------

Are you kidding me?!?!

So in your view a woman would rather be with a man who is so
in control that he don't cry no he just back hands her across
the room because that is a real man?

------------------------------

Awakening,

Who said anything about back handing a woman? I said it's not a good idea for men to cry in front of women because they will lose respect for them.



[Edited 3/5/2009 7:14:14 AM PST]

3/5/2009 7:13:46 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

awakeing
Over 2,000 Posts (2,207)
Walled Lake, MI
age: 37


Quote from beanz991:
Please note...remember you are answering as women......a crying man in front of another man is not good and should earn you an a** kicking.


So you are saying in the "Man Code Handbook"
that showing another man empathy, understanding,
and truly caring are considered a sever man offense?

God it all makes sense now.

3/5/2009 7:18:36 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

leftyl8
Over 2,000 Posts (3,506)
Waverly, NY
age: 44


dont listen to beanz. hes from another planet. ive held many of my brothers heads in my hands as they wept for their fallen brothers in action. point is, if youre not homophobic like beanz, its ok to show your emotion around other men.

3/5/2009 7:19:23 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

awakeing
Over 2,000 Posts (2,207)
Walled Lake, MI
age: 37


Quote from fishenguy:
You are divorced from your husband. Is your brother still married? I cried when my dog died. My wife didn't come near me for a month after that. There have been other times since my divorce when I have cried with a girl friend only to be dumped a week later. No, it's not a good idea to cry in front of a woman.

----------------------------

Are you kidding me?!?!

So in your view a woman would rather be with a man who is so
in control that he don't cry no he just back hands her across
the room because that is a real man?

------------------------------

Awakening,

Who said anything about back handing a woman? I said it's not a good idea for men to cry in front of women because they will lose respect for them.


Yes my brother is still married. They are about to celebrate 10yrs together.
I didn't leave my husband for his tears. I left for the lies, the cheating,
and the risk he put me and the kids in.

Emotions that are not properly expressed manifest themselves
in other ways...usually abusive.



He changed, he stopped crying and talking with me and became
"a man" who did anything he wanted without regard for his family.

3/5/2009 7:21:55 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

evileddy
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (10,597)
Ottawa, ON
age: 36


Quote from awakeing:
So you are saying in the "Man Code Handbook"
that showing another man empathy, understanding,
and truly caring are considered a sever man offense?

God it all makes sense now.


Men need to rely on other men in stressful often times dangerous situations.

We need to know we can count on the men backing us up not to break down under stress and turn into a liability.

So to us.. crying is a weakness.

Imagine a firefighter seeing a young child burning alive and die right in front of him.. stops and starts bawling and has to be carried out by three other guys... mean while beside the burnt corpse of the child was his sister unconscious who also dies because this man broke down.

Can you see how a man keeping it together is a good thing?

3/5/2009 7:22:34 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
beanz991
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,608)
Houston, TX
age: 42


Quote from awakeing:
So you are saying in the "Man Code Handbook"
that showing another man empathy, understanding,
and truly caring are considered a sever man offense?

God it all makes sense now.


Correct.

3/5/2009 7:24:59 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
breathlessinmi
Swartz Creek, MI
age: 48


I don't think there is anything wrong with a grown man crying. It is a great emotional outlet, as long as it isn't played on national television that is over and over and over again(insert recent bachelor balcony picture here)

3/5/2009 7:27:17 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
beanz991
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,608)
Houston, TX
age: 42


Will people please stop referring to 'reality TV'...you are aware it is all scripted and NOT REALLY REAL....arn't you?....must be a lot of WWF fans in here

3/5/2009 7:27:36 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
usakindatheart
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,927)
Overton, TX
age: 48


Quote from evileddy:
I see women daily bawling at their desks after talking on the phone to someone not work related.

It's not constructive at all. It's disruptive to the work environment as women around stop their work and come running to help.. some even break down into tears as well.

Then days after people are letting her "take it easy"

Then weeks later you find out she was crying because her boyfriend forgot to feed her cat and it ate some bread off the kitchen table or something.

That is not cool.


i have never worked in an office, so i really did not know that...
the only reason for a melt down in an office is a tragedy such as some died or is dying.
i think i would of poured water on her head.

######

not sure i would last in an office setting...



[Edited 3/5/2009 7:30:02 AM PST]

3/5/2009 7:29:23 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
beanz991
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,608)
Houston, TX
age: 42


Quote from usakindatheart:
i have never worked in an office, so i really did not know that...
the only reason for a melt down in an office is a tragedy such as some died or is dying.
i think i would of poured water on her head.


Well someone dying or a tragedy is when a man should be his strongest so those around him, wife/kids etc etc have a 'rock' to lean on.

The true test of a man is how he keeps himself together under the most stressful of times.

3/5/2009 7:30:57 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

awakeing
Over 2,000 Posts (2,207)
Walled Lake, MI
age: 37


Eddy, I swear I get that part of it!
I've seen men still do what they needed to do while
tears rolled down their cheeks. Crying itself is not the
bad thing.

Heck many a day I've cried and still have to do what I need to do.
I understand your point that you just can't quit if you need
to cry, but Eddy do you see my point?

Just the action of a man crying DOESN'T MAKE HIM LESS OF A MAN!
His true man strength is being true to himself that he can cry
and still walk in the fire.

Eddy it is said that real courage is feeling the fear/pain/ whatever
and doing it anyway. Every retired "hero" I've heard talk said...
I was scared, I went anyway. I was in pain, I finished anyway.
I cried but I still stood.

God bless those men, even if it only meant being a hero to their
own wife and children.

3/5/2009 7:35:55 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
usakindatheart
Over 4,000 Posts! (5,927)
Overton, TX
age: 48


Quote from beanz991:
Well someone dying or a tragedy is when a man should be his strongest so those around him, wife/kids etc etc have a 'rock' to lean on.

The true test of a man is how he keeps himself together under the most stressful of times.


i THINK if its not an emergency for you to act on saving some one else's life at that moment....
the day you have your own child, and if it was to die... you would learn a whole new meaning
to what you think solidifies how a man should act or feel during a severe duress.

but, i pray you never do find out.

btw, Burying a child can bring the strongest human (male or female) to your knees...

3/5/2009 7:39:44 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

be4eyedieagain
Over 2,000 Posts (2,593)
Janesville, WI
age: 44


I had my tear glands removed at 13.

3/5/2009 7:42:00 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

awakeing
Over 2,000 Posts (2,207)
Walled Lake, MI
age: 37


Quote from beanz991:
Well someone dying or a tragedy is when a man should be his strongest so those around him, wife/kids etc etc have a 'rock' to lean on.

The true test of a man is how he keeps himself together under the most stressful of times.


Beanz have you experienced a real loss yet? I ask because you're giving me
the feeling that you've been "trained" and haven't had to live it yet.

I need to share with you what really happens in those times.

Our son was still born, I was bleeding to death.
My EX didn't cry no he stood there for awhile and
then left me alone holding our son the rest of the
night alone. His "manly strength" of not crying
was the beginning of the end. He wasn't there
emotionally for me or him. There was no relating
to each other. All I could feel was his stone cold
silence that left me alone.

That is EMOTIONAL ABANDONMENT!

3/5/2009 7:42:33 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

wwilson
Austin, TX
age: 51


Quote from leftyl8:
dont listen to beanz. hes from another planet. ive held many of my brothers heads in my hands as they wept for their fallen brothers in action. point is, if youre not homophobic like beanz, its ok to show your emotion around other men.



Right on, bro.
I cried after my moms funeral. I cried after one of my buddies died in combat. Been there for other friends when someone they loved or cared about died and thought nothing less of them for their tears of grief. Real men do cry

It made me or them no less of a man for having emotions.


Beanz, not so sure you would have wanted to try to kick my a** or my buddies asses in those times when the emotions were so raw... wouldn't have been a good idea, no matter how big and bad you think you are, just saying...
Wouldn't have been a good idea at all.

3/5/2009 7:42:54 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

genieus
Over 1,000 Posts (1,104)
Summerdale, PA
age: 61


I see some of you are having trouble distinguishing between crises situations where both men and women need to maintain control because action is needed versus the big and small tragedies in life where the only response needed is an expression of feelings. I don't break down in emergencies and have frequently provided the aid that the men on the scene couldn't because they were so overwhelmed by their feelings. But tears will flow at a tender moment in a movie. Any man in my life will be hisory if I find he is a cold fish who can't express appropriate sorrow with tears.

What I have found is that many men withdraw and push you away if you see them cry. Do you do that Fishin?

3/5/2009 7:43:48 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
eimi
Over 1,000 Posts (1,336)
Jacksonville, FL
age: 36


My father that raised me was a marine. I never saw him cry until his father died when I was an adult. He taught us only the weak cry and nobody in our home was allowed to cry.

As a teen I had boyfriend cry in front of me once and I broke up with him. I realized later it wasn't him...it was my discomfort because I never new a man to do that and I didn't cry around people so it caught me off guard. It took me years to handle men crying and to this day I can't stand to cry around people without feeling very weak.

I have sons and have had to learn to let that upbringing issue go. Men need to cry just as women do. Not overly fairy cry but there are times a man needs to cry. So I have tried very hard not to shame my sons for crying or to impose my discomfort upon them. I find the best men are the ones that are able to express emotion.

As for turning on tears it is easier for me to fake cry then to cry when I am really hurt. Got out of a few tickets that way.

3/5/2009 7:46:03 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
pickyone123
Grundy, VA
age: 42


My idea of a real man is one that shows emotions at a time of loss or tradgedy. I don't like macho men to act like they have it all together. The human side of a man is what really attracts me to him. Guess it's why I'm alone. Most real men are gone now. If he crys- maybe he w ill have compassion on me if I suffer a loss in my life and stand by me when I need it most.

3/5/2009 7:51:44 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

wwilson
Austin, TX
age: 51


Quote from beanz991:
Well someone dying or a tragedy is when a man should be his strongest so those around him, wife/kids etc etc have a 'rock' to lean on.

The true test of a man is how he keeps himself together under the most stressful of times.



There is a big difference in breaking down during a crisis and crying after the crisis is over. Not the same thing.

3/5/2009 7:53:02 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
beanz991
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,608)
Houston, TX
age: 42


Quote from usakindatheart:
i THINK if its not an emergency for you to act on saving some one else's life at that moment....
the day you have your own child, and if it was to die... you would learn a whole new meaning
to what you think solidifies how a man should act or feel during a severe duress.

but, i pray you never do find out.

btw, Burying a child can bring the strongest human (male or female) to your knees...


As a woman you are really not in a position to measure that and never will be....There are always exceptions......and men obviously do cry..the question is are the allowed to cry...the answer...like it or not....is NO.

No it is never ok for men to cry in front of other men
Yes it apparently is ok for men to cry in front of women...according to women but not men!

Most of the men are saying no, most of the women are saying yes....as it is the men we are talking about shouldn't their input be more valid than the opposite sexes?!

3/5/2009 7:53:36 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
beanz991
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,608)
Houston, TX
age: 42


Quote from wwilson:
There is a big difference in breaking down during a crisis and crying after the crisis is over. Not the same thing.


True...but then I wouldn't do it in front of people so no one but me would know.

Edit: and I sure wouldn't do it as a soldier in front of the world media like that photo a few pages back!



[Edited 3/5/2009 7:56:57 AM PST]

3/5/2009 7:58:23 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

countrysweet677
Over 2,000 Posts (2,982)
Waverly, NY
age: 48


i always hold together during any crisis and break down afterwards, crying is crying,if your going to let the tears flow what difference does it make when that is...

3/5/2009 7:59:52 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

awakeing
Over 2,000 Posts (2,207)
Walled Lake, MI
age: 37


Ok then Beanz since you want to again point out
that only men can teach a man to be a man then
perhaps men should only live in a society with
men who think like them.
After all you're training each other to only
relate to one another and not the rest of society.

I read a book once called
Emotional Intelligence Why It Can Matter More
Than IQ..

and this is something I remember from it...

CEO's are hired for their skills and experiance...
they are FIRED for their lack of emotional intelligence.

After all as smart as you are what good are you if you
can't relate to others?

The Greatest Man in the world....is human.

3/5/2009 8:00:07 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

evileddy
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (10,597)
Ottawa, ON
age: 36


Quote from awakeing:
Eddy, I swear I get that part of it!
I've seen men still do what they needed to do while
tears rolled down their cheeks. Crying itself is not the
bad thing.

Heck many a day I've cried and still have to do what I need to do.
I understand your point that you just can't quit if you need
to cry, but Eddy do you see my point?

Just the action of a man crying DOESN'T MAKE HIM LESS OF A MAN!
His true man strength is being true to himself that he can cry
and still walk in the fire.

Eddy it is said that real courage is feeling the fear/pain/ whatever
and doing it anyway. Every retired "hero" I've heard talk said...
I was scared, I went anyway. I was in pain, I finished anyway.
I cried but I still stood.

God bless those men, even if it only meant being a hero to their
own wife and children.


I can't do my job with tears in my eyes.. It becomes difficult to see.

After if I still feel sad I'll go somewhere alone and get it over with.

Seeing another man cry disgusts me as it does in most men.

Women crying is ok.. most bawl over everything all the time.. it's acceptable that women are the more emotional gender.

3/5/2009 8:00:19 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
beanz991
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,608)
Houston, TX
age: 42


Quote from countrysweet677:
if your going to let the tears flow what difference does it make when that is...


A lot if you are currently in a crisis situation and people are relying on you to protect them etc etc...Yep I really want a sniveling man beside me when being shot at.

3/5/2009 8:03:57 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
beanz991
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,608)
Houston, TX
age: 42


Quote from awakeing:
Ok then Beanz since you want to again point out
that only men can teach a man to be a man then
perhaps men should only live in a society with
men who think like them.
After all you're training each other to only
relate to one another and not the rest of society.

I read a book once called
Emotional Intelligence Why It Can Matter More
Than IQ..

and this is something I remember from it...

CEO's are hired for their skills and experiance...
they are FIRED for their lack of emotional intelligence.

After all as smart as you are what good are you if you
can't relate to others?

The Greatest Man in the world....is human.


First the book is wrong....Most CEOs of big companies are hired for 'political' reasons and fired for 'political' reasons.

I can relate to others...other men on this subject...other men understand that it's not good to cry...women KNOW this but apparently are pretending not too....whether it is acceptable to them does not change the fact that it is generally 'frowned' on as an attribute of a man.

I'm gonna go with the greatest mind in the world are in dolphins ..they spend their day playing and eating fish with no worries



[Edited 3/5/2009 8:04:17 AM PST]

3/5/2009 8:06:07 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

wwilson
Austin, TX
age: 51


Quote from beanz991:
True...but then I wouldn't do it in front of people so no one but me would know.

Edit: and I sure wouldn't do it as a soldier in front of the world media like that photo a few pages back!


Well that's true, I will go off by myself rather than cry in front of someone else.

3/5/2009 8:08:00 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
eimi
Over 1,000 Posts (1,336)
Jacksonville, FL
age: 36


Quote from leftyl8:
dont listen to beanz. hes from another planet. ive held many of my brothers heads in my hands as they wept for their fallen brothers in action. point is, if youre not homophobic like beanz, its ok to show your emotion around other men.


My father lost two best friend in Naum and didn't allow himself to cry tell years and years later. I think beanz is from that OLDER generation which it was normal for a man to hold it in and sign of huge weakness if cry with other men. It was just the way it was.

Lefty it is good to know men now are able to be there for eachother in those situations. I know if my son was lost in war I would hope to God his friends would cry and be there to strengthen each other. God Bless You!

Eimilee



[Edited 3/5/2009 8:10:15 AM PST]

3/5/2009 8:13:18 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

awakeing
Over 2,000 Posts (2,207)
Walled Lake, MI
age: 37


ROFL...you know Beanz I swear I can't help but admire you.
I'm with you..let's just be dolphins and eat fish.

I know when it looks like a woman is trying to change a man
but I'm not trying to change you, I am grateful you took the
time to hear me out and still you are correct, only a man
can decied what a man is for himself.

I'm going to say something very personal and hope you understand...

You really are the type of man a woman could love with all her
heart, but she will never feel more lonely than when she is
with you.

3/5/2009 8:15:04 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
beanz991
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,608)
Houston, TX
age: 42


Quote from awakeing:

You really are the type of man a woman could love with all her
heart, but she will never feel more lonely than when she is
with you.


You are assuming I treat the woman I love in the same way I post....

3/5/2009 8:17:17 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
fishenguy
Santa Rosa, CA
age: 50


Quote from genieus:
I see some of you are having trouble distinguishing between crises situations where both men and women need to maintain control because action is needed versus the big and small tragedies in life where the only response needed is an expression of feelings. I don't break down in emergencies and have frequently provided the aid that the men on the scene couldn't because they were so overwhelmed by their feelings. But tears will flow at a tender moment in a movie. Any man in my life will be hisory if I find he is a cold fish who can't express appropriate sorrow with tears.

What I have found is that many men withdraw and push you away if you see them cry. Do you do that Fishin?



I have learned not to let women see me cry. It was never an issue until it happened. It doesn't mean that men are cold fish. It just means that we have learned that when a woman sees us at are most vulnerable state, she will use it against us at some point. So if we have to cry we do it in private.

3/5/2009 8:17:30 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
beanz991
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,608)
Houston, TX
age: 42


dont listen to beanz. hes from another planet. ive held many of my brothers heads in my hands as they wept for their fallen brothers in action. point is, if youre not homophobic like beanz, its ok to show your emotion around other men.

Poor lefty..he has had me blocked for months because he is an example of a poor excuse for a man and couldn't take a few knocks from me (which a lot of women do without blocking and I admire them for it).

Apparently he is STILL taking heed of my posts all these months later

Someone quote for me please so he gets to see it ...'Hi lefty!..how's mom?'



[Edited 3/5/2009 8:20:32 AM PST]

3/5/2009 8:22:32 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
beanz991
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,608)
Houston, TX
age: 42


Quote from eimi:My father lost two best friend in Naum and didn't allow himself to cry tell years and years later. I think beanz is from that OLDER generation which it was normal for a man to hold it in and sign of huge weakness if cry with other men. It was just the way it was.


Eimilee


Also I think a strict traditional English upbringing plays a part....American men seem much more emotional than Englishmen etc

3/5/2009 8:22:42 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

awakeing
Over 2,000 Posts (2,207)
Walled Lake, MI
age: 37


No Beanz, I am going on the fact
that I will feel like you can't really
trust me enough to be open to sharing all
you feel and experiance with me.

You'll always hold something back and in
doing so I won't feel like you are really
with me.

3/5/2009 8:33:38 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
breathlessinmi
Swartz Creek, MI
age: 48


Quote from beanz991:
Will people please stop referring to 'reality TV'...you are aware it is all scripted and NOT REALLY REAL....arn't you?....must be a lot of WWF fans in here


Ummm yes I am aware that it is scripted...hence the laughing icon after the comment.

3/5/2009 8:38:01 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
beanz991
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,608)
Houston, TX
age: 42


Quote from breathlessinmi:
Ummm yes I am aware that it is scripted...hence the laughing icon after the comment.


Did you see the 'People' in my comment...it was not aimed at you specifically....there have been several references in the last couple of days to reality TV.

3/5/2009 8:49:06 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
beanz991
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,608)
Houston, TX
age: 42


Beanz have you experienced a real loss yet? I ask because you're giving me
the feeling that you've been "trained" and haven't had to live it yet.


Yes...several times...haven't most people after a certain age? (also see my comment about my friend being shot as 1 example) I am in control though 99% of the time....obviously I have cried in my lifetime..but not in front of people except for 1 or 2 extreme cases and that was years and years ago.



[Edited 3/5/2009 8:49:38 AM PST]

3/5/2009 8:55:23 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
fishenguy
Santa Rosa, CA
age: 50


Quote from beanz991:
Beanz have you experienced a real loss yet? I ask because you're giving me
the feeling that you've been "trained" and haven't had to live it yet.


Yes...several times...haven't most people after a certain age? (also see my comment about my friend being shot as 1 example) I am in control though 99% of the time....obviously I have cried in my lifetime..but not in front of people except for 1 or 2 extreme cases and that was years and years ago.


WOW! I can't believe that. Just because a man doesn't cry in front of others doesn't mean he hasn't experienced great loss. When people depend on you to be strong......You aren't allowed to cry.

When you are a dad and you have a bunch of kids and your wife dies......you have to be strong for the kids so they know things will be ok. So you cry in private.
When a child dies you don't cry in front of your other children because they need to know you are still that strong dad.

You women have no idea what it takes to be a man in your eyes. Or the eyes of children.

3/5/2009 8:56:33 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

milas83
Over 2,000 Posts (2,508)
Philadelphia, PA
age: 26


Quote from usakindatheart:
I agree, they just get teary eyed, red faced and blow snot...




3/5/2009 9:03:06 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

wahoo4u2
Nashville, TN
age: 62


There is no connection whatsoever between crying and being a real man. When something hurts you emotionally, deep down to the core of your being, only a cold, emotionless male would not break down. There is nothing manly about keeping all of your emotions in check. That is a lie we've all been told since we were 10 years old. "Be a big boy son. Big boys don't cry. Men don't cry." Society puts us in a "man box" at a very early age it seems. If your mother dies, and you were close to her, and you don't cry, you may just be a heartless, unemotional individual. I'm not saying men should cry at sappy movies or books the way women do, but there are times when emotions can be overwhelming, and to hold them in check just may not be healthy in the long run. Holding a fallen comrade in your arms as he bleeds out should bring tears in most cases I would think, although I've not experienced this first hand — thank God. IMHO.

3/5/2009 9:07:16 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
beanz991
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,608)
Houston, TX
age: 42


Quote from wahoo4u2:
There is no connection whatsoever between crying and being a real man. When something hurts you emotionally, deep down to the core of your being, only a cold, emotionless male would not break down. There is nothing manly about keeping all of your emotions in check. That is a lie we've all been told since we were 10 years old. "Be a big boy son. Big boys don't cry. Men don't cry." Society puts us in a "man box" at a very early age it seems. If your mother dies, and you were close to her, and you don't cry, you may just be a heartless, unemotional individual. I'm not saying men should cry at sappy movies or books the way women do, but there are times when emotions can be overwhelming, and to hold them in check just may not be healthy in the long run. Holding a fallen comrade in your arms as he bleeds out should bring tears in most cases I would think, although I've not experienced this first hand — thank God. IMHO.


Maybe to say it is more 'manly' not to cry is wrong. A better way is to say; it is not the expected/accepted behavior of a man.

I agree 'not crying' doesn't make you 'more manly'. BUT.....not crying DOES give you more credibility to those that rely/look upon you as a leader (which is the role men are still put in..mostly!).



[Edited 3/5/2009 9:08:08 AM PST]

3/5/2009 9:08:36 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

evileddy
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (10,597)
Ottawa, ON
age: 36


Quote from wahoo4u2:
There is no connection whatsoever between crying and being a real man. When something hurts you emotionally, deep down to the core of your being, only a cold, emotionless male would not break down. There is nothing manly about keeping all of your emotions in check. That is a lie we've all been told since we were 10 years old. "Be a big boy son. Big boys don't cry. Men don't cry." Society puts us in a "man box" at a very early age it seems. If your mother dies, and you were close to her, and you don't cry, you may just be a heartless, unemotional individual. I'm not saying men should cry at sappy movies or books the way women do, but there are times when emotions can be overwhelming, and to hold them in check just may not be healthy in the long run. Holding a fallen comrade in your arms as he bleeds out should bring tears in most cases I would think, although I've not experienced this first hand — thank God. IMHO.


You just said that you agree men shouldn't cry.

Men do and can cry.

Just not in front of other people.

Crying is the mind's way of taking a shit.

Do you also let people watching you defecate?

3/5/2009 9:12:54 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

genieus
Over 1,000 Posts (1,104)
Summerdale, PA
age: 61


Gee, Fishin, how does a divorced man who doesn't have kids decide how a widower with kids that has just lost his wife should act and behave? If I was a child in that situation and my father didn't cry, I would be confused and think that he didn't hurt and that maybe it wasn't okay for me to cry or talk about what I was feeling.

I remember my father at age 35 crying and being very sad for over a week when a good friend of his died. I was about 12 and I still remember how touched I was and saddened for my father's loss.

I won't even consider getting in a relationship with a man whose emotional growth is so stunted that he won't cry in front of me. I want a man that is emotionally as well as intellectually developed.

3/5/2009 9:13:52 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
beanz991
Over 4,000 Posts! (6,608)
Houston, TX
age: 42





Beanz, not so sure you would have wanted to try to kick my a** or my buddies asses in those times when the emotions were so raw... wouldn't have been a good idea, no matter how big and bad you think you are, just saying...
Wouldn't have been a good idea at all.


Yes it would.
..but lets keep the internet warrior talk for those that can't think. (Disclaimer: light humor)



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3/5/2009 9:23:03 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  

evileddy
Over 10,000 Posts!!! (10,597)
Ottawa, ON
age: 36


Quote from beanz991:



Beanz, not so sure you would have wanted to try to kick my a** or my buddies asses in those times when the emotions were so raw... wouldn't have been a good idea, no matter how big and bad you think you are, just saying...
Wouldn't have been a good idea at all.


Yes it would.
..but lets keep the internet warrior talk for those that can't think. (Disclaimer: light humor)



*starts to cry at the thought of two grown men fighting over internet words*

3/5/2009 9:24:14 AM are grown men allowed to cry? wipe those tears please!  
fishenguy
Santa Rosa, CA
age: 50


Quote from genieus:
Gee, Fishin, how does a divorced man who doesn't have kids decide how a widower with kids that has just lost his wife should act and behave? If I was a child in that situation and my father didn't cry, I would be confused and think that he didn't hurt and that maybe it wasn't okay for me to cry or talk about what I was feeling.

I remember my father at age 35 crying and being very sad for over a week when a good friend of his died. I was about 12 and I still remember how touched I was and saddened for my father's loss.

I won't even consider getting in a relationship with a man whose emotional growth is so stunted that he won't cry in front of me. I want a man that is emotionally as well as intellectually developed.


Maybe you should ask my dad. I was 10 when my mom died. Mom and dad had 8 kids and I was number 3.

Yes, it is true I am divorced...with no kids of my own. But as I said in my profile which you must have looked at I do have a 24 year old step daughter. I raised her as my own since she was 2 and a half. So.....what is your point?